I know little about Lloyd Russell-Moyle, but everything I've ever read about him has involved him acting like a complete berk.
Presumably he'll be out by teatime Sunday afternoon?
Giving SKS a) another opportunity to visibly sack someone who deserves it, showing BoJo up and b) another opportunity to distance himself from the wilder excesses of his party's previous management.
I can't imagine that this was planned, but if it was, it's a corker.
I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!
Doesn't mean he wasn't a racist. Just go look at his views on Blacks in South Africa. Really not pleasant at all. Doesn't mean he didn't do great things later in life but that is no excuse for his attitudes when younger.
Sleeping with his naked 18 year old grand niece (and many other young women) at the age of 70+ was also quite *experimental*
Both sides are engaged. Transgender issues are becoming a fairly unrepresentative totem, like Blue Passports.
Yes. It is an utterly explosive issue, full of minefields for the unwary, and is fiendishly niche and complex, to boot.
I cannot see any benefit for a politician stepping into it. I have a couple of acquaintances who are in the TERF-Trans trench war, their accounts are harrowing
The left-wingers are just making Starmer's purge so easy for him. Turkeys and Xmas.
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?
Quite possibly.
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.
Look her up. She appears to have a few self-published novels; it requires an exceptionally strong telescope to discern her place in the literary firmament.
Utterly bonkers to read her tweeted opinions as representing some fundamental shift in the zeitgeist.
I didn't, but many people have raised similar points over many years, and whether it becomes the norm or not is irrelevant to it being demented.
OK. When Salman Rushdie expresses such views, then I’ll be worried. But frankly, to describe this woman as merely obscure is to vastly overstate her significance.
What's the relevance? I'm critical of the idea, not the woman. I need not wait for an idea to be mainstream to criticise it. And while people not being allowed to write characters who are not of their race is hardly mainstream yet, actors taking on roles which are deemed to be required of a certain race, even animated ones, is more mainstream, when unless the nationality or race is central to the character it should not be a big deal (though underrepresentation of some groups remains an issue).
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.
Sean is way ahead of his time, I know realise.
I believe he is now writing as part of a committee, including Welsh bard, Transistioning male model and dowager lesbians. I am sure that there will be a dusky variation on the panel too. I wonder if they ever all meet up?
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happening
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
People dont see what is going on. They equate wokeism with what until recently was liberalism (freedom, equality etc). It is actually something that benefits a few people (an aggrieved revolutionary elite), and is less good for everyone else because we can now get cancelled at will, have no freedom of speech, our history is getting trashed and rewritten, etc.
This feels a bit like Brexit. People were seduced in to voting for it by visions of restored sovereignty and funding for the NHS, not the chaos it has become.
Fortunately or not, dependent on your perspective, the jokes going to be on the woke (if you excuse the terrible pun). 80 seat majority conservative government, 4 + years left to run. They can set up a process which claims to be about addressing racial and historic grievances; but ends up reversing the 2 decades of woke legislation which has fuelled the current mess. And all in the name of equality and anti racism!
It's a pleasant fantasy to think a rather spineless British Tory government will be able to reverse 40 years of Wokeist progress through academe, media, law, schools, business, charity, arts.
Not going to happen.
I read a tweet the other day which rather summed it up, if I remember correctly it said:
"Culture war is the wrong description. The culture was is over, and the Left won. Now they are just going around shooting the survivors."
The pendulum WILL swing, but my, it is taking a while and by the time it happens much damage will have been done (along with the original good things done, of course: racial equality, gay rights, and so on)
You're equating modern identity movements, powered from both right and left, and with influences from both marxism. ultra-capitalism and nationalism, with a monolithic 'marxist movement' of 40 years standing again, I'm afraid. Culture, administration and politics has not worked like that, particularly in Anglo- America.
Has it been proven that Russia paid the taliban to kill American soldiers? I know proof is a very old-fashioned concept, but the entire conversation seems to be about 'when did Trump know?', without actually establishing the veracity of the story itself.
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
If only we could think of another writer with an online obsession about culture wars and the forthcoming end of society to warn them of their ridiculous behaviour......
Ah OK I get it. This wall to wall revolving bow tie reactionary shtick - "losing our history" and "the death of quality light entertainment" etc etc - it's all a big wind up isn't it.
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?
All books should be written by diverse committees. The concept of a single author is an abuse of power and reflects assumptions about cultural hegemony in society.
And in the 25th Century, the history teacher said ".... and their civilisation was toppled when a cartoon series employed a few extra actors. The shock of this was so immense that it crushed their ability to cope..."
Not!
Look - there are always people crying for stupid stuff like books to be written by committees and so on. Most people will simply ignore them and they will fade into the sort of irrelevance that that sort of person always winds up.
Last week, it was the toppling of statues that was going to end western civilisation. This week the streets seem free of pieces of public sclupture littering gutters and harbours and most people have forgotten it and moved on.
If you really want to worry about the end of civilisation, worry about Eadric's latest story that the Chinese have somehow made the virus worse.
You simply don't understand. This censorship by Wokeism isn't some fevered dream of lunatic rightwing poets, it is already happening
Books are being cancelled, authors are self-limiting, publishers are employing "sensitivity readers" - to make sure books are Wokeishly correct
People dont see what is going on. They equate wokeism with what until recently was liberalism (freedom, equality etc). It is actually something that benefits a few people (an aggrieved revolutionary elite), and is less good for everyone else because we can now get cancelled at will, have no freedom of speech, our history is getting trashed and rewritten, etc.
This feels a bit like Brexit. People were seduced in to voting for it by visions of restored sovereignty and funding for the NHS, not the chaos it has become.
Fortunately or not, dependent on your perspective, the jokes going to be on the woke (if you excuse the terrible pun). 80 seat majority conservative government, 4 + years left to run. They can set up a process which claims to be about addressing racial and historic grievances; but ends up reversing the 2 decades of woke legislation which has fuelled the current mess. And all in the name of equality and anti racism!
It's a pleasant fantasy to think a rather spineless British Tory government will be able to reverse 40 years of Wokeist progress through academe, media, law, schools, business, charity, arts.
Not going to happen.
I read a tweet the other day which rather summed it up, if I remember correctly it said:
"Culture war is the wrong description. The culture was is over, and the Left won. Now they are just going around shooting the survivors."
The pendulum WILL swing, but my, it is taking a while and by the time it happens much damage will have been done (along with the original good things done, of course: racial equality, gay rights, and so on)
I think they will. They've already quietly dropped the gender recognition stuff. The woke element of the conservative party were largely purged last year in the Brexit wars. They have a free run at it.
Secondly, you are overestimating the impact of all this. It passes most people by. From a tactical perspective you've got to let the woke go to mad extremes (defacing churchill etc) before you have the political ability to tackle them. Thats what is happening now.
It is all about not interrupting the enemy while it is making a mistake.
I think that is the calculation.
This might be true if this was a purely British phenomenon (even then it would be a hard battle). This is clearly not the case. Poor George Floyd was killed in America.
Wokeism is a huge, pan-western phenomenon, mainly English-speaking, but you can find it in Scandinavia, France, Holland, elsewhere
It's epochal. Boris and Dom are not going to overturn it in four nervous plaguey Brexity years.
Theres a model for how to successfully deal with it: Poland, Hungary.
Theres a model for how not to deal with it: Trump.
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.
Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
Let it go. If you keep scratching it will only get worse.
It's fine, I'm unpicking the folly of your idea. It ends with mono culture.
There is zero evidence that the embrace of the diversity and equality agenda in recent years has led to anything like a monoculture. Quite the opposite.
Starmer is far better than his predecessor but he's no Blair. He isn't even a Kinnock yet.
Kinnock expelled people from Labour to try and make the party more electable. We are waiting to see if Starmer does that. If he does, that will be transformative.
He doesn't really need to be a Blair or a Kinnock he just needs to be better than Johnson.
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?
Quite possibly.
There is definitely a move to ensure white writers do not feature leading BAME characters.
It will probably end up with entirely white novels/sitcoms/movies about white middle class people, which people will call racist for being so white.
Alternatively, as Lionel Shriver has suggested, it will end with the only permitted form of writing being memoir, as that is your story and only you can tell it. Once.
I usually hedge my language, but the approach suggested by that tweet is utterly demented.
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec instead
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?
The free market is not operating under government lockdown rules. If you think the government is wrong to consider helping these companies then say so.
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.
Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.
The Mayor of Leicester only heard about a lockdown when Peston blogged on it. Seems that the characteristic communications incompetence of the government.
I suppose it will be OK to continue showing Gandhi on TV - because white people can play the part of racists?
Gandhi was SUCH a RACIST!
I mean, fancy leading 400 million NON-WHITE people to Independence in 1947!
Are you suggesting non-whites can't be racist?
Aung San Suu Kyi has gone from a resistance hero to a racist for what her nation is doing to the Rohingya. I used to respect her but would be prepared to call her a racist now and think she should lose her Peace Prize . . . though she is far from unique in Nobel Peace Prize winners going on to have issues.
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec instead
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec instead
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec instead
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.
Parler has a few million users, Twitter has 321 million a month.
I don't think Twitter is worried about some nutters being banned from their platform. Of course it is interesting to see the same people who were insistent that Facebook wasn't in trouble when I said it was, say the same about Twitter with little evidence for it. Partisanship is responsible for that, I think.
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec instead
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
Ah so Johnson isn't unfit or unhealthy, he's just a terrible PM. Thanks MoS
Yes but at least he did not appoint Long-Bailey or Russell-Moyle to his top team and have to sack them weeks later.
No he appointed a corrupt Robert Jenrick and a moronic Home Sec instead
You should be very careful about accusing people of being corrupt. Is it the Home Secretary being a woman or being BAME that offends you?
People were none too careful about accusing RLB of being an antisemite.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
Antisemites might argue, nobody reasonable could that.
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
Go on then 24 instances. Your time starts now. I think this is known as 'proof or ban'.
Not worth my time or effort thanks, can't be arsed.
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
But you seem so certain. Surely there must be 24 cite able antisemitic acts you can reach to in an instant. Of course I'm not Mike but if I was I would be very concerned about such blatant slander on my site.
Yes I am and if Mike were to ask me to substantiate it or remove it then I would, but you're not Mike and nor it seems are you interested in politics if you weren't aware of RLB's long, long history of antisemitism.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
Mulling over the logic behind characters in cartoons having to be voiced by an actor of the ethnicity portrayed, isn't it more 'problematic' that the words spoken are written by someone of different ethnicity?
And will Bart have to be voiced by a male actor now, along with Nelson, Ralph, Todd etc?
The same debate is going on in drama, art, publishing - eg the idea is forming that white writers should only write white characters, Asians can do Asians, gays can do gays.
It is utterly toxic. Goodbye the new Othello
Goodbye female authors writing about male characters next?
In that case JK Rowling better watch out in case she's...oh wait...
The Simpsons thing is particularly stupid and regressive. The whole point of voice acting is that the performer doesn't have to look anything like their character, hence the sixtysomething Nancy Cartwright can play a 10 year old boy and James Earl Jones can be Darth Vader. Taken to its logical end actors will be forbidden to use anything other than their own accent, which would be particularly bad news for Black British actors in Hollywood.
In retrospect it started last year with the predominantly black cast of "The Lion King" remake on the grounds of it being set in Africa despite the fact Lions aren't people and the human concepts of skin colour/ethnicity simply aren't applicable.
It certainly did not start there, people have raised that kind of issue for a long time, but the actual problems of representation in the media are not addressed by an approach which makes adhering to a character bio more important than anything else (though if that was part of the Lion King reasoning it makes even less sense).
People who should know better do it all the time - Samuel L Jackson initially criticised the casting of a black british actor for Get Out rather than a black american who would have a different, more relevant experience of the issues of the movie. A truly great actor apparently had difficulty with the concept of someone acting.
WIth the recent moves if voice actors don't want to continue the roles anymore, fine, that's their choice, but I found the family guy example strange since he referred to having done the role as an honour. If they think it is wrong for a white guy to do it and so won't anymore, then I don't see how it was an honour, but rather a mistake they regret.
It does seem as if some actors seem not to understand what acting actually is.
The only way we can even hope to address racism and prejudice is through empathy and imagination - the ability to understand and empathise with people who are not obviously like us, to treat others as we would want to be treated.
All this putting people in boxes and saying that they cannot possibly imagine or act like someone in a different box is designed to prevent us developing and using the imaginative empathy we need.
Remember the poignant slogan of those fighting against slavery: a coin with a black man and the saying “Am I not a man and brother?” Brother, note.
Or see Andrea Levy’s Small Island and the wonderfully insightful, sympathetic and rounded way she describes all the characters, white and black, old and young etc.
Or Alan Bennett who at the age of 41 wrote with such tenderness and insight about people in retirement in “Sunset across the Bay”.
We do need to fight back against this idiotic and self-defeating hysteria that says that you can only write about or act or speak on behalf of people exactly like you.
@Foxy was warning us of the situation there a week or so ago.
Yep. I see Samworth Bros get named as a focus too. Food production again...
Is the situation in terms of hospital admissions calming down (that report mentions cases up to June 16) from what you hear?
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
No, it is a working age population, with milder disease, at least at present. I think we have 62 inpatients with it, but few in ICU. At the peak we had over 200 inpatients and 55 on ICU.
Thanks. Hopefully, as in North Wales, the additional testing + isolation will work and the number of new cases will decline soon.
The Mayor of Leicester only heard about a lockdown when Peston blogged on it. Seems that the characteristic communications incompetence of the government.
What lockdown ? The 'evidence' is actually a denial:
In a blog, Peston quoted an unnamed senior Government official as saying: “It would need to be driven by the data and we’re not at that stage right now. We are very actively managing [this] and analysing it at the moment. Time will tell."
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to move
Parler has a few million users, Twitter has 321 million a month.
I don't think Twitter is worried about some nutters being banned from their platform. Of course it is interesting to see the same people who were insistent that Facebook wasn't in trouble when I said it was, say the same about Twitter with little evidence for it. Partisanship is responsible for that, I think.
I think both are in trouble. It is the nature of the beast. Social media evolves fast. Myspace? Bebo? Snapchat?
Facebook has gone from youthful amazebomb to granny-posts-a-photo. Twitter is now evolving from sassy news and political arguments to Lefties ranting at... no one, in the end.
Neither arc is positive.
But other media will take over. Who knows what.
On this I pretty much agree with you.
Facebook will die first I think - but I believe in 10 years we will be using something else.
Snapchat will be the first to shut down, as it's been totally eclipsed by Instagram (which I realise is owned by Facebook).
Linehan became obsessed with the Trans-TERF war, and in the end it was all he could talk about. Quite bizarre. A warning to others.
Such a talented comic writer, as well. Hopefully this will be to the benefit of his mental health and he can back to writing fun things.
People are moving from Twitter to Parler in increasing numbers.
Yes, medium-term Twitter is in trouble. Its sole USP is being THE forum for vivid argument and political debate: it slants left but there are plenty of rightwingers to keep it engaging.
If the rightwingers abandon it as too dangerous or hostile, which they are doing, then it would very quickly die. It would be a sterile echo chamber, not worth the hassle. Imagine PB populated solely by Corbynites or Brexiteers, who else would join?
Quite a dilemma for Twitter.
I think there is a strand of thought that twitter is banning dissenting voices so to be heard they need to move
It's a private company, they have ToS, you break them they kick you off.
Funny how right-wingers champion freedom of enterprise until they do something they don't like, isn't it?
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A PM relaunch isn't good at the best of times, but less than a year after a GE win? Jeez...
Giving SKS a) another opportunity to visibly sack someone who deserves it, showing BoJo up and b) another opportunity to distance himself from the wilder excesses of his party's previous management.
I can't imagine that this was planned, but if it was, it's a corker.
Odd man.
"But darling I only slept with that naked young lady to prove to myself I wasn't interested. Just ask Ghandi"
More generally, food processing plants really do seem like perfect transmission environments.
I told you, she's not a Corbynite
And it's working
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1276991221517496320
I've been tangoed!
Grrr ☺
Theres a model for how not to deal with it: Trump.
Does nobody here actually use WhatsApp?
It's all in your head. Truly, it is.
Everything Johnson has ever implemented has been a total disaster, I think this will be no different.
Rather more evidence for Jenrick's corruption some might argue.
I think it correct that the recipient labels it, so Angela Raynor could be Byronic for all we know!
Just let them fail right PB Tories? The free market will prevail?
On RLB's ledger for antisemitism there are dozens and dozens of instances of antisemitism.
On Jenrick we have people banging on about one housing contract endlessly. If there were dozens and dozens of instances of alleged corruption then I think we'd have heard more than just one by now. 🙄
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/what-city-council-says-reports-4270800
https://parler.com/post-view?q=c01fde0e633944aca3a2d967456f8f6c
Aung San Suu Kyi has gone from a resistance hero to a racist for what her nation is doing to the Rohingya. I used to respect her but would be prepared to call her a racist now and think she should lose her Peace Prize . . . though she is far from unique in Nobel Peace Prize winners going on to have issues.
Wait for the EHRC report if you like but there have been dozens of instances in the past and unless I've missed your being a Moderator I don't think its appropriate to suggest bans.
FFS read the Topic of the thread header if you think that is Off Topic. 😂
I do not use Twitter much. I doubt I will use Parler at all.
I don't think Twitter is worried about some nutters being banned from their platform. Of course it is interesting to see the same people who were insistent that Facebook wasn't in trouble when I said it was, say the same about Twitter with little evidence for it. Partisanship is responsible for that, I think.
Its been a running theory on this site that she was only kept in the Shadow Cabinet in order to be sacked next time she did anything antisemitic knowing it would only be a matter of time! Why would that be the case if this was her first instance of antisemitism?
It's an odd decision they took - but I assume there's a reason behind it technically.
The only way we can even hope to address racism and prejudice is through empathy and imagination - the ability to understand and empathise with people who are not obviously like us, to treat others as we would want to be treated.
All this putting people in boxes and saying that they cannot possibly imagine or act like someone in a different box is designed to prevent us developing and using the imaginative empathy we need.
Remember the poignant slogan of those fighting against slavery: a coin with a black man and the saying “Am I not a man and brother?” Brother, note.
Or see Andrea Levy’s Small Island and the wonderfully insightful, sympathetic and rounded way she describes all the characters, white and black, old and young etc.
Or Alan Bennett who at the age of 41 wrote with such tenderness and insight about people in retirement in “Sunset across the Bay”.
We do need to fight back against this idiotic and self-defeating hysteria that says that you can only write about or act or speak on behalf of people exactly like you.
In a blog, Peston quoted an unnamed senior Government official as saying: “It would need to be driven by the data and we’re not at that stage right now. We are very actively managing [this] and analysing it at the moment. Time will tell."
Facebook will die first I think - but I believe in 10 years we will be using something else.
Snapchat will be the first to shut down, as it's been totally eclipsed by Instagram (which I realise is owned by Facebook).
Funny how right-wingers champion freedom of enterprise until they do something they don't like, isn't it?