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edited June 29 in General

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Christo (who died earlier this month) and Jeanne-Claude were two of our age’s most haunting artists.  Their life’s work – because we can fairly see it as a single piece – entailed the planning, project management and execution of the wrapping of ever more unlikely items.  Balloons, trees, islands, the Pont Neuf, the Reichstag and the gates of Central Park were all subject to a series of superficially short-lived installations.  As one critic said of their work, “to seek ‘the involuntary beauty of the ephemeral’ is to create the advent of surprise”. 

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  • TomsToms Posts: 1,913
    Two threads previous. Was the Trump visit to Walter Reed a hoax?
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,913
    I don't mind kitsch, but I do mind paying for it involuntarily.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,599
    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 34,548
    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,599

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?

    So they'll go to fast food outlets further away

    It's a genius plan
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,288
    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    According to C4 news they left this afternoon, pre local lockdown.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 196
    Please help a simpleton out. Presuming the government can borrow at lower rates than private institutions what is the point of the assorted PFI schemes.

    The debt is still owed right? Its just shuffled around a little.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Scott_xP said:

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?

    So they'll go to fast food outlets further away

    It's a genius plan
    Do you ever make a constructive comment in a very serious issue
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 34,548
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    On Radio 4 earlier today. They were talking to the Mayor, who was arguing this is not a Leicester problem.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 34,548
    Scott_xP said:

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?

    So they'll go to fast food outlets further away

    It's a genius plan
    Then you close them down too. If this is the problem, you deal with the problem.

    If.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 5,613

    Please help a simpleton out. Presuming the government can borrow at lower rates than private institutions what is the point of the assorted PFI schemes.

    The debt is still owed right? Its just shuffled around a little.

    So that chancellors can pretend they are prudent.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 35,177
    Apparently Reddit have banned the /the_donald community for hate speech.

    Getting serious when it's too hateful for Reddit.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 10,905

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    I believe it has a reasonably high asian population
  • ABZABZ Posts: 432
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    @Foxy Do you see value in this? I'd guess it's very precautionary to make sure numbers come down rapidly...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 33,017
    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 10,905
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Well that is something, but might that lag?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    Horrific
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 1,934

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.


    To be fair, I wouldn't want to piss on their chrysanthemums...
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 941

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    Anyone remember Joe the Plumber?
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,913
    The site below says that the rate per 100k in Bedford, where OGH and I dwell, considerably exceeds that of Leicester.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/29/coronavirus-uk-map-the-latest-deaths-and-confirmed-covid-19-cases
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365
    ABZ said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    @Foxy Do you see value in this? I'd guess it's very precautionary to make sure numbers come down rapidly...
    Not really. Hardly any shops have reopened already, even though they could. The Asian community are rarely pubgoer.

    It will make my drive to work a bit quieter again, I suppose, and frighten off the patients that we have gradually enticed back.
  • TomsToms Posts: 1,913
    edited June 29

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    They ought to put the guns down AND GET SOME EXERCISE. Maybe then they'd feel more relaxed.
    P/S and lose some weight.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 2,254

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    It's like the end of Scarface, except he ate all the pies instead of doing all the coke.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 432
    Foxy said:

    ABZ said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    @Foxy Do you see value in this? I'd guess it's very precautionary to make sure numbers come down rapidly...
    Not really. Hardly any shops have reopened already, even though they could. The Asian community are rarely pubgoer.

    It will make my drive to work a bit quieter again, I suppose, and frighten off the patients that we have gradually enticed back.
    From what you say, the number of new cases is pretty small, so hopefully this is just a two week extension.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 1,307
    edited June 29
    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 35,177
    A dog's finally barked.

    Hopefully doesn't happen this side of the Pond.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 19,536

    Please help a simpleton out. Presuming the government can borrow at lower rates than private institutions what is the point of the assorted PFI schemes.

    The debt is still owed right? Its just shuffled around a little.

    It used to be an off the books liability. It isn't now so it doesn't get used.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365
    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    Why would London do that if it is unnnecessary and lets hope targetted support is given
  • humbuggerhumbugger Posts: 339
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    What are Leicester's MPs saying about it?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 1,307
    Just as a matter of interest, what legal powers does the Govt have to implement selective lockdowns in individual areas of the country?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    Toms said:

    The site below says that the rate per 100k in Bedford, where OGH and I dwell, considerably exceeds that of Leicester.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/29/coronavirus-uk-map-the-latest-deaths-and-confirmed-covid-19-cases

    I think that is cumulative rather than current.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365
    humbugger said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    What are Leicester's MPs saying about it?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    edited June 29
    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    As a Doctor working in the City are you saying this is just wrong
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    As a Doctor working on the City are you saying this is just wrong
    I am not sure what you are asking.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 1,307

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    Why would London do that if it is unnnecessary and lets hope targetted support is given
    Targeted support isn't going to help. Businesses have been saying for ages that they need clear guidance to plan and implement their routemap to opening up again. Opening up is going to have generated significant up front costs which could well be wasted and no amount of support is going to cover for that.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    humbugger said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    What are Leicester's MPs saying about it?
    Jon Ashworth has just endorsed it in the HOC
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    Foxy said:

    ABZ said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    @Foxy Do you see value in this? I'd guess it's very precautionary to make sure numbers come down rapidly...
    Not really. Hardly any shops have reopened already, even though they could. The Asian community are rarely pubgoer.

    It will make my drive to work a bit quieter again, I suppose, and frighten off the patients that we have gradually enticed back.
    Did Leicester get the same fake news scare stories which Bradford had ?

    Once his breathing problems began, he was reluctant to call the NHS for help, because of the myth then circulating in parts of the Asian community that people admitted to hospital were never discharged alive.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-53197880
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    humbugger said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    What are Leicester's MPs saying about it?
    Jon Ashworth has just endorsed it in the HOC
    Up to a point. He is asking why it took the government 11 days from mentioning it at a press conference to doing anything about it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 54,582
    alex_ said:

    Just as a matter of interest, what legal powers does the Govt have to implement selective lockdowns in individual areas of the country?

    An interesting question, but given the government has the power to implement total lockdown I would presume it has the powers to implement selective lockdowns, it's the practicalities of the selective lockdown which are more of an impediment.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    humbugger said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    local lockdown in Leicester

    Probably means locals will move outside the area and spread it further

    The problem seems to be large numbers of youngsters hanging around outside fast food outlets.

    So close the outlets down?
    I drive down the Humberstone rd everyday, and no sign of what you say. Where do you get your info?
    Does Leicester have an above average BAME population
    Yes, in the city everyone is a minority.

    There has been no increase in inpatient admissions.
    Thank you.

    Interesting you have had no increase in inpatient admissions so is this a precaution to protect the higher BAME community
    I don’t think or expect that the people of Leicester want it. This is the city with the second lowest disposable household income in the country, and a lot of people have been laid off from work.

    It is seen as being imposed from London on an unwilling city.
    What are Leicester's MPs saying about it?
    Claudia Webbe of Leicester East wanted a lockdown:

    https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/lockdown-leicester-east-says-mp-4272155
  • RobDRobD Posts: 47,162
    alex_ said:

    Just as a matter of interest, what legal powers does the Govt have to implement selective lockdowns in individual areas of the country?

    Probably broad sweeping powers thanks to the emergency legislation.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    As a Doctor working on the City are you saying this is just wrong
    I am not sure what you are asking.
    You say HMG has picked on a city represented by the shadow SOS health

    I was seeking your professional opinion as a doctor in the city if you think the decision is wrong
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    As a Doctor working on the City are you saying this is just wrong
    I am not sure what you are asking.
    You say HMG has picked on a city represented by the shadow SOS health

    I was seeking your professional opinion as a doctor in the city if you think the decision is wrong
    Also the shadow minister for Social Care.

    I don't think it will work, and think that spread is not happening in "non essential shops", but rather in peoples homes.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,288
    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    I am sure it's one of Boris' infamous wizard wheezes, although I am not sure how it impacts on Ashworth's performance. It would seem to reflect more on Johnson's chaotic easing of lockdown nationally.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 47,162
    Are the borders there being shut?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    As a Doctor working on the City are you saying this is just wrong
    I am not sure what you are asking.
    You say HMG has picked on a city represented by the shadow SOS health

    I was seeking your professional opinion as a doctor in the city if you think the decision is wrong
    Also the shadow minister for Social Care.

    I don't think it will work, and think that spread is not happening in "non essential shops", but rather in peoples homes.
    Look upon Leicester as a research opportunity.

    Mass testing could now give useful results.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 313
    Toms said:

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    They ought to put the guns down AND GET SOME EXERCISE. Maybe then they'd feel more relaxed.
    P/S and lose some weight.
    They are an utterly ridiculous looking couple, the pink polo shirt! - and their house is absurdly lavish. And my, God the guns. But there might be more context to this story, which alters it somewhat



    And this is America.

    All we can say for sure is that, if aggressive urban BLM protests really do collide with gun owning right wing white America it will be very messy. Let's hope not.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 54,582
    The SMF report sees the problem, but its idea of establishing a long-term cross-party consensus looks fanciful

    Some classic Meeks understatement describing that as fanciful.

    I don't know as much about pensions as he does or I should, but the final para does seem pretty telling.
    Well you've got to draw the line somewhere.

    I went to Uni there, so I'm allowed to mean to the place though.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 3,769

    Apparently Reddit have banned the /the_donald community for hate speech.

    Getting serious when it's too hateful for Reddit.

    It does seem to be falling apart for Trump but a long way to go yet. I suspect Facebook will be next to do something, the boycott appears to be starting to bite.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386

    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    I am sure it's one of Boris' infamous wizard wheezes, although I am not sure how it impacts on Ashworth's performance. It would seem to reflect more on Johnson's chaotic easing of lockdown nationally.
    I suspect Leicester's sweat shops might be more at fault than a rush to the beaches along the River Soar.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,599
    alex_ said:

    Just as a matter of interest, what legal powers does the Govt have to implement selective lockdowns in individual areas of the country?

    They don't

  • ABZABZ Posts: 432
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    As a Doctor working on the City are you saying this is just wrong
    I am not sure what you are asking.
    You say HMG has picked on a city represented by the shadow SOS health

    I was seeking your professional opinion as a doctor in the city if you think the decision is wrong
    Also the shadow minister for Social Care.

    I don't think it will work, and think that spread is not happening in "non essential shops", but rather in peoples homes.
    Though it might discourage mixing and thus dampen spread, to get things to manageable levels at least? It feels, superficially, similar to the lockdowns in Germany in that regard, no?
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 448
    Can Leicester City keep playing or do they have to go to neutral venues now?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 54,582
    Scott_xP said:

    alex_ said:

    Just as a matter of interest, what legal powers does the Govt have to implement selective lockdowns in individual areas of the country?

    They don't

    Curious oversight on behalf of the drafters of the initial regulations.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    Scott_xP said:
    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,599

    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.

    All of them are saying Government can't get their shit together.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365
    dodrade said:

    Can Leicester City keep playing or do they have to go to neutral venues now?

    Everton Away on Wed, Crystal Palace at Home on Saturday, but no crowd, so it shouldn't matter much.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 313

    A dog's finally barked.

    Hopefully doesn't happen this side of the Pond.
    It's almost certain to. We've had the BLM protests, and the abandonment of lockdown in London (crowded parks etc). We've had the Bournemouth, Devon and Southend beaches crowded by thousands.

    Why should the virus behave differently in California compared to the UK?

    It's gonna come back. And now we are opening the pubs. And still the Brits refuse to wear masks.

    Maybe this time we will try a Swedish approach. We might as well.



  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 35,177

    Scott_xP said:
    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.
    With both parts nodding to each other agreeing the government got it wrong.

    With @Scott_xP scraping Tweets from both sides attacking the government from both angles.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,365

    Scott_xP said:
    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.
    The Mayor says he and the local director of Public Health have not been informed about basic stuff like postcodes, doesn't think it is justified, MPs thinking it was too slow.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 28,030

    Please help a simpleton out. Presuming the government can borrow at lower rates than private institutions what is the point of the assorted PFI schemes.

    The debt is still owed right? Its just shuffled around a little.

    Accounting.

    Under Major it was a slightly theoretical way of bringing the private sector into operating contracts for assets that couldn’t be sold (a type of privatisation) but was pretty small scale

    Brown saw it as a way to spend more than he promised to because someone else paid the upfront and then made oodles of cash for years to come.

    There was a company that tried that in the private sector. It was called Enron. I wonder what happened to them?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 4,176
    Don't usually do this but can I recommend a petition. It relates to Nick Buckley who was sacked from the charity Mancunian Way (an organisation he founded which helps disadvantaged young people) because he made some unflattering remarks about BLM on a blog post - essentially their 'marxism' will prove divisive. A few hundred people then petitioned th trustees to remove for horror of horrors, criticising BLM.

    https://www.change.org/p/silent-majority-reinstate-nick-buckley-as-ceo-of-mancunian-way-charity?recruiter=false&recruited_by_id=705f7a60-b9eb-11ea-9d53-81144f305638
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    LadyG said:

    A dog's finally barked.

    Hopefully doesn't happen this side of the Pond.
    It's almost certain to. We've had the BLM protests, and the abandonment of lockdown in London (crowded parks etc). We've had the Bournemouth, Devon and Southend beaches crowded by thousands.

    Why should the virus behave differently in California compared to the UK?

    It's gonna come back. And now we are opening the pubs. And still the Brits refuse to wear masks.

    Maybe this time we will try a Swedish approach. We might as well.



    Well infections continue to fall in the UK.

    Perhaps because in much of the country the virus has been eradicated while in others an effective level of herd immunity has been achieved.

    How things develop in the coming months and years we don't know.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 20,570
    kle4 said:

    The SMF report sees the problem, but its idea of establishing a long-term cross-party consensus looks fanciful

    Some classic Meeks understatement describing that as fanciful.

    I don't know as much about pensions as he does or I should, but the final para does seem pretty telling.

    Well you've got to draw the line somewhere.

    I went to Uni there, so I'm allowed to mean to the place though.
    I almost did, so I'm almost allowed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813

    Scott_xP said:
    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.
    With both parts nodding to each other agreeing the government got it wrong.

    With @Scott_xP scraping Tweets from both sides attacking the government from both angles.
    Somethings never change
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 28,030

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    Horrific
    There was a mob on their front lawn. How should they have reacted?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.
    The Mayor says he and the local director of Public Health have not been informed about basic stuff like postcodes, doesn't think it is justified, MPs thinking it was too slow.
    Contradiction seems to be the order of the day
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,599

    Somethings never change

    Indeed. My stalkers have arrived.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 17,386
    Scott_xP said:

    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.

    All of them are saying Government can't get their shit together.
    Wow, opposition politicians criticise the government.

    The only opposition politician who was so incompetent he couldn't manage that was George Osborne.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 28,030
    Foxy said:

    alex_ said:

    Perhaps they've just picked on one city to try make a point. ie. the virus hasn't gone away and we reserve the right to lock down if people don't behave. Leicester was just the unlucky city to have the worst figures at this point in time.

    Doubt it'll work though.

    Yes, they have picked on the city which is represented by the shadow SoS Health, by curious coincidence.
    Although at the weekend one of the Labour MPs for Leicester (a woman but I missed her name) was on radio calling for the lockdown
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 1,307
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government has acted too quickly and some of Leicester Labour are saying that the government hasn't acted quickly enough.
    The Mayor says he and the local director of Public Health have not been informed about basic stuff like postcodes, doesn't think it is justified, MPs thinking it was too slow.
    Given a choice between who knows more about a city - the Mayor or its MPs - i would go with the Mayor every time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,885
    Leicester Pillar 1 cases -

    image
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,813
    Charles said:

    The Republicans have got a new poster couple.

    Horrific
    There was a mob on their front lawn. How should they have reacted?
    The video I saw was a protest passing but standing with that kind of weaponry on display is sickening, but then this is the US of Donald Trump
  • RobDRobD Posts: 47,162

    Leicester Pillar 1 cases -

    image

    More in the other pillars?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,885
    Charles said:

    Please help a simpleton out. Presuming the government can borrow at lower rates than private institutions what is the point of the assorted PFI schemes.

    The debt is still owed right? Its just shuffled around a little.

    Accounting.

    Under Major it was a slightly theoretical way of bringing the private sector into operating contracts for assets that couldn’t be sold (a type of privatisation) but was pretty small scale

    Brown saw it as a way to spend more than he promised to because someone else paid the upfront and then made oodles of cash for years to come.

    There was a company that tried that in the private sector. It was called Enron. I wonder what happened to them?
    I've heard it described as like a credit card - fine to transfer small amounts in time (for short periods). Start living off it....
  • BantermanBanterman Posts: 286
    How many times does it have to be said, Boris Air needed its 5 year full service which includes a repaint. So all the talk of a £900k paint job is just the normal anti Boris pathetic ranting.
  • Off topic - Mike S, you say, and I'm sure sincerely, that you hate Trumpsky. Hear Hear!

    BUT when I log into PB, tend to see ads for - guess who?!?!

    Know you need to pay the freight, and wouldn't ask but you did use the H-word. Just wondering, aren't there enough OTHER advertisers out there? Couldn't you dump this trash over the side and sail away?

    NOTE that anything to do with PB is ultimately YOUR decision. AND methinks that maybe you have little to no control over ads, esp. ones directed to right (or rather left)-thinking 'Mericans such as myself. BUT am curious, which is why I ask.

    Thanks yet again & in advance for all you do for us PBers!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,885
    RobD said:

    Leicester Pillar 1 cases -

    image

    More in the other pillars?
    Obviously.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 7,128
    So does this only apply to the City of Leicester?
    If so, this appears to be a good way of spreading the virus to the suburbs and surrounding areas pubs, restaurants and non-essential shops.
    If you don't stop people moving around you can't control an outbreak.
  • LadyG said:

    A dog's finally barked.

    Hopefully doesn't happen this side of the Pond.
    It's almost certain to. We've had the BLM protests, and the abandonment of lockdown in London (crowded parks etc). We've had the Bournemouth, Devon and Southend beaches crowded by thousands.

    Why should the virus behave differently in California compared to the UK?

    It's gonna come back. And now we are opening the pubs. And still the Brits refuse to wear masks.

    Maybe this time we will try a Swedish approach. We might as well.



    Well infections continue to fall in the UK.

    Perhaps because in much of the country the virus has been eradicated while in others an effective level of herd immunity has been achieved.

    How things develop in the coming months and years we don't know.
    Re; BLM, on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) appears that bulk of BLMers are in fact wearing masks. True, social distancing often breaks down, sometimes because of actions of forces of order. BUT seems that biggest danger is not touching but rather breathing, and even in a crowd masks help corral the Creeping Crud.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,599
    The Guardian didn't get the PB memo

    When BoZo said Rooseveltian, obviously he didn't mean "like Roosevelt..."

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