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  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,407
    So the travel industry asks the government to change the rules for travel to/from the Spanish islands. The government does just that. The travel industry is still not happy.

    There is just no pleasing some people.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,245

    TOPPING said:

    @TOPPING How's it going today mate

    Going well thanks. Quite busy atm so flitting in and out here.

    All well with you I hope.
    Is this a private love-in or can anybody join in?
    You really ARE a swing voter!
    All good on your side?
    Sorry, but am NOT that kind of boy! My side is fine - is front & back I'm worried about!
    Was just asking how your day was going
    Thought so, just couldn't resist a joke.

    Pretty good, actually. Temp forecast to reach near 90F this afternoon, so all my feeble energies focused on keeping my humble abode as cool as possible. And like 85% of Seattle with zero air conditioning. Note that one major reason I moved to Pacific Northwest in first place was to escape hot summer weather. At least it's not as hot (so far) this year as last.

    Hope PBers everywhere are enjoying - or at least surviving - whatever meteorology is throwing your way!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    nichomar said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    I sea he has the right angle though
    You posted that twice. We’re you trying to spread Thanet wider?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,245
    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    @TOPPING How's it going today mate

    Going well thanks. Quite busy atm so flitting in and out here.

    All well with you I hope.
    Is this a private love-in or can anybody join in?
    You really ARE a swing voter!
    All good on your side?
    Sorry, but am NOT that kind of boy! My side is fine - is front & back I'm worried about!
    Was just asking how your day was going
    He's composing his shanty of iron underpants as we speak.
    NOT iron - cardboard! Great at blocking direct sunlight and turning any room into a cave.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788

    RobD said:

    No quarantione from Gibraltar, it looks like:

    https://twitter.com/goodclimate/status/1287801413368782850?s=20

    Are there outbreaks in Gibraltar too?

    There is an open border with Spain.

    It's not a fully open border, there's ID checks but (currently) no customs checks, just like when you come to the UK from the EU and vice versa.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants ‘Corbynites remain utterly fucking deluded’ part 94b, here is an amazing article by Rachel Cousins (Rachel from Swindon as she calls herself) about how wonderful Jeremy Corbyn is and how it’s all the evil media’s fault that people hate him:

    https://voicebritannia.co.uk/traducement-of-corbyn-swindononsunday/

    Remarkably, although she puts it all down to the lies and malign influence of others, she does actually accept some things that I bet Corbyn himself does not, such as:

    And then there was Mr Corbyn himself. I won’t pretend he wasn’t toxic on many doorsteps – he was. But there was a good reason for this. If you throw enough shit at someone, eventually it will stick. The lines you heard about Mr Corbyn on the doorstep were no different from the propaganda being pumped out through the media.


    I also love it when people refer to Corbyn as a pensioner as a reason to go easy on him, as she does in that piece. The man is an elected representative and part of the collective governing of 60+million people through its legislator, that he's as old as my dad does not give him a pass. He chose to be there, after all.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,287
    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    My mum is going to Iceland on Sunday. I don't have any plans.
  • Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,865

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Very depressed that so many are still failing to look through the Boris and see the Johnson. 😟
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,245

    So the travel industry asks the government to change the rules for travel to/from the Spanish islands. The government does just that. The travel industry is still not happy.

    There is just no pleasing some people.

    Rutlandshire Tourist Board could slip the relevant minister a few quid (plus some B&B vouchers) and get HMG to launch at national "Get Out of Your Rut in Rutland" campaign.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Oh Lewis, having to fall back on the 'I didn't look at what I was doing' defence? That is indeed careless. This is why celebrity's should only let their managers control their social media outputs.

    Formula 1 champion Lewis Hamilton has issued a statement "clarifying his thoughts" and confirming he is not anti-vaccine after sharing a video linked to unfounded conspiracy theories about a coronavirus vaccination.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53559934
  • isamisam Posts: 40,732
    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7
  • isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium were most accurate in 2019, Survation is normally pretty good too. The others have a more variable track record
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,289
    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    We've just cancelled our September road trip to Italy - we could probably have gone but we didn't fancy the whole holiday wearing masks. That's the third of four holidays (retirement stinks, eh?) we've cancelled this year.

    Still hoping to go to Cornwall in October.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,287
    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    The combined Lab and LD share is actually slightly down in many recent polls compared to the general election.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,732

    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium were most accurate in 2019, Survation is normally pretty good too. The others have a more variable track record
    Most accurate last time is a complete putaway, don't hang on to that
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,288
    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Very depressed that so many are still failing to look through the Boris and see the Johnson. 😟
    Everyone loves Boris!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited July 2020
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

    At least you won't have to face Burnley next season and our manager was sacked by Watford
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium the only pollster to get GE2019 spot on
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium were most accurate in 2019, Survation is normally pretty good too. The others have a more variable track record
    Most accurate last time is a complete putaway, don't hang on to that
    Last few elections they've been good.

    ComRes were very poor.

    We need more recent polls to see if there is a trend or whether Opinium is an outlier. I think gap is around 6-8 points
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,227

    TOPPING said:

    @TOPPING How's it going today mate

    Going well thanks. Quite busy atm so flitting in and out here.

    All well with you I hope.
    Is this a private love-in or can anybody join in?
    How are you doing mate?
    Excellent, thank you.

    How is everybody doing?
  • isamisam Posts: 40,732

    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium the only pollster to get GE2019 spot on
    So what?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,288

    Nigelb said:

    Still first...

    Only as the site has been configured to prevent me posting firsts.
    One time I was first , Robert Smithson deleted my post so that he could be first. It was an outrage!
    And nothing of value was lost.
    pretty similar to what you posted then. Made any more fatuous predictions recently>?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,289
    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Very depressed that so many are still failing to look through the Boris and see the Johnson. 😟
    Everyone loves Boris!
    I don't!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    Evening all :)

    Fascinating polling from the US this evening - an NBC News/Marist poll has Biden up 51-44 in North Carolina (Trump won 50-46 in 2016 so that's a 5.5% swing to Biden).

    The Rasmussen daily Presidential approval poll which had gone to a tie has now slipped back six points negative (46-52) which is quite a shift.

    The Harvard/Harris poll has Biden up 55-45 (which seems odd) but that's a slight closing from a 12-point advantage a month ago. We'll get the crosstabs later in the week so not much to say until then.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

    At least you won't have to face Burnley next season
    Look forward to seeing you in Championship 2021/2022.

    If we're not relegated again :angry::anguished:
  • Nigelb said:

    Still first...

    Only as the site has been configured to prevent me posting firsts.
    One time I was first , Robert Smithson deleted my post so that he could be first. It was an outrage!
    And nothing of value was lost.
    pretty similar to what you posted then. Made any more fatuous predictions recently>?
    You still haven't learned how to write in a coherent manner then, school will be back soon, so you can redo reception.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
    What, all of it?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,289
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
    Foolish!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Those attempts at puns really go against the Grain.

    Yes, that was deliberately Sarkastic.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

    An Arsenal supporting friend did enjoy relegating Troy 'Cojones' Deeney.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688

    TOPPING said:

    @TOPPING How's it going today mate

    Going well thanks. Quite busy atm so flitting in and out here.

    All well with you I hope.
    Is this a private love-in or can anybody join in?
    How are you doing mate?
    Excellent, thank you.

    How is everybody doing?
    As a member of the everybody set (admittedly it was tough at interview). I'm doing well. I'll just give you a thumbs up for the post though. Might be interesting if you get a lot.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
    Scotland's wonderful apart from parts of Glasgow, some of the people there are from the arse crack of the world.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,227
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Fascinating polling from the US this evening - an NBC News/Marist poll has Biden up 51-44 in North Carolina (Trump won 50-46 in 2016 so that's a 5.5% swing to Biden).

    The Rasmussen daily Presidential approval poll which had gone to a tie has now slipped back six points negative (46-52) which is quite a shift.

    The Harvard/Harris poll has Biden up 55-45 (which seems odd) but that's a slight closing from a 12-point advantage a month ago. We'll get the crosstabs later in the week so not much to say until then.

    These are pollsters with vastly different reputations. The North Carolina poll is deeply ominous for Trump.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,463
    On topic, if I were Starmer I'd be pretty pleased with these ratings. His net approval is +15.25 in the seats Labour lost to the Tories - not negative, but positive. I suspect in these same seats at the time of the last election Corbyn's would have been something like -80 - dire, anyway. So it looks to me as if this is evidence that Starmer is making up ground in the Red Wall seats.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    We've just cancelled our September road trip to Italy - we could probably have gone but we didn't fancy the whole holiday wearing masks. That's the third of four holidays (retirement stinks, eh?) we've cancelled this year.

    Still hoping to go to Cornwall in October.
    I'm off to Ireland for five weeks leaving this Thursday. I'll have to self-isolate for the first two weeks. I'm packing the car with sufficient provisions. 36 bottles of wine, 2 litres of gin and four tins of tuna so far.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

    An Arsenal supporting friend did enjoy relegating Troy 'Cojones' Deeney.
    Maybe Liverpool will sign Troy to see if you can win CL again next season...
  • isamisam Posts: 40,732
    Unless there is some pattern that the most accurate pollster at the last election does particularly well at the following one, what is the point of taking any notice of that fact?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,351
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants ‘Corbynites remain utterly fucking deluded’ part 94b, here is an amazing article by Rachel Cousins (Rachel from Swindon as she calls herself) about how wonderful Jeremy Corbyn is and how it’s all the evil media’s fault that people hate him:

    https://voicebritannia.co.uk/traducement-of-corbyn-swindononsunday/

    I get way when the word traduce features so prominently. It seems to have exploded in popularity in the last 3-4 years.
    I think there is a question as to whether Labour, even under the excellent SKS, can be electable as long as moderate centrists (i.e. the extra voters they need to vote for them in order to make the difference) think Labour still allow house room to the authoritarian anti-democratic, anti-Semitism tolerating, UK hating, Hamas supporting left. Removing the whip from Corbyn and co would be an excellent and possibly necessary step in that direction.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,865

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    We've just cancelled our September road trip to Italy - we could probably have gone but we didn't fancy the whole holiday wearing masks. That's the third of four holidays (retirement stinks, eh?) we've cancelled this year.

    Still hoping to go to Cornwall in October.
    See you there - if you move it to August.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

    An Arsenal supporting friend did enjoy relegating Troy 'Cojones' Deeney.
    Maybe Liverpool will sign Troy to see if you can win CL again next season...
    Well Klopp does have form for signing players from relegated clubs and turning them into superstars.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    edited July 2020
    Barnesian said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    We've just cancelled our September road trip to Italy - we could probably have gone but we didn't fancy the whole holiday wearing masks. That's the third of four holidays (retirement stinks, eh?) we've cancelled this year.

    Still hoping to go to Cornwall in October.
    I'm off to Ireland for five weeks leaving this Thursday. I'll have to self-isolate for the first two weeks. I'm packing the car with sufficient provisions. 36 bottles of wine, 2 litres of gin and four tins of tuna so far.
    That seems a rather heavy proportion. I’d go for four litres of gin and two tins of tuna.

    I had a lovely week doing some pretty intense cycling in Wales last week. Finally managed Trawsfynydd and Llyn Tegid in a day.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Barnesian said:

    Anyone got any bright ideas as to why it is so many countries on the continent seem to be having a panic moment over the dreaded second wave, yet there's no immediate sign of things going horribly wrong over here? Are we, for some reason, following the likes of Spain and Belgium and just a couple of weeks behind, or is there something that Britain is actually doing right that other countries aren't?

    Latest data shows R hovering above 1 and reported cases very slowly increasing.
    No sign of a surge or second wave - just a slight swell.



    Apologies for delayed reply, I've been making dinner... I have noticed the little uptick on your graphs recently, but the estimated R value is only just over 1 and there's no obvious signal that the Plague is taking off again in the other data, apart (possibly) from cases identified by test which can easily be explained away by carpet bombing in the hotspots. I'd be more concerned if the triage calls and hospitalisations started to tick upwards, but last time I looked (which was only yesterday) those indicators still looked fine.
    MaxPB said:

    Lots and lots of testing. For once our strategy might actually be paying off.

    Is the UK genuinely doing more and better targeting testing than other countries now? I don't know the answer to this

    Reading other contributions down thread - and remembering yesterday's discussions about Spain - I do wonder if it's simply a matter of British people, and especially the young, going out and gathering in large groups less, and perhaps also related to the hospitality industry, i.e. a smaller proportion of establishments being open to begin with, and those that have decided to unshutter perhaps taking their Covid precautions more seriously? But that's just a guess of course.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979

    isam said:

    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium were most accurate in 2019, Survation is normally pretty good too. The others have a more variable track record
    Most accurate last time is a complete putaway, don't hang on to that
    Last few elections they've been good.

    ComRes were very poor.

    We need more recent polls to see if there is a trend or whether Opinium is an outlier. I think gap is around 6-8 points
    Latest EMA (Exponential Moving Average) including the latest Redfield poll shows a Tory lead of 6.5% and an overall majority of 28.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Though the Channel Islands are not in the UK either...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,245
    JOHN L. LEWIS now lying in state at US Capitol.

    US Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi just delivered their eulogies.

    Last remains are at the exact center of Capitol Rotunda, under the top of the Capitol Dome. Mourners are even spaced throughout the Rotunda, which along with the black masks makes the memorial service even more somber and impressive.

    Feel sadness for his family and close friends. Feel nothing but great joy, for my country and the entire world, that we were blessed to have a person of such faith, hope and charity among us. This man of peace - rest in peace.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited July 2020
    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    edited July 2020
    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,227
    ydoethur said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    We've just cancelled our September road trip to Italy - we could probably have gone but we didn't fancy the whole holiday wearing masks. That's the third of four holidays (retirement stinks, eh?) we've cancelled this year.

    Still hoping to go to Cornwall in October.
    I'm off to Ireland for five weeks leaving this Thursday. I'll have to self-isolate for the first two weeks. I'm packing the car with sufficient provisions. 36 bottles of wine, 2 litres of gin and four tins of tuna so far.
    That seems a rather heavy proportion. I’d go for four litres of gin and two tins of tuna.

    I had a lovely week doing some pretty intense cycling in Wales last week. Finally managed Trawsfynydd and Llyn Tegid in a day.
    You should point out for the benefit of foreigners that Llyn Tegid is also a place and not the local bicycle.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
    Scotland is lovely, although I can understand after some of the statements that the First Minister has been making recently (not to mention the behaviour of the extreme wing of the pro-independence mob) why some people might be put off.

    In terms of my own holidays, all I've got planned are long weekends in September to visit Mother and Mother-in-Law, both in this country. Unless you anticipate at least the possibility of quarantine restrictions, and are willing and able to put up with them, then you'd be bonkers to go abroad.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
  • Barnesian said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    The last six polls by Opinium have a Tory lead of 4.

    The average lead in the other sixteen polls over this period is 7

    Opinium were most accurate in 2019, Survation is normally pretty good too. The others have a more variable track record
    Most accurate last time is a complete putaway, don't hang on to that
    Last few elections they've been good.

    ComRes were very poor.

    We need more recent polls to see if there is a trend or whether Opinium is an outlier. I think gap is around 6-8 points
    Latest EMA (Exponential Moving Average) including the latest Redfield poll shows a Tory lead of 6.5% and an overall majority of 28.
    Old boundaries remember, so possibly a few more seats with newer.

    Still, Starmer is doing well
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098
    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    Whately was dire on R4 this morning; out of her depth even by this government’s mediocre standards.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,227
    stodge said:

    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.

    Pretty much 100% compliance here in sunny Gloucestershire. Was obliged to improvise with a hankerchief in Coffee One, Tewkesbury. Harsh but fair. :(
  • Why do they send Whately, she is genuinely terrible
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745


    These are pollsters with vastly different reputations. The North Carolina poll is deeply ominous for Trump.

    Oddly enough, it's the Rasmussen approval poll that would worry me the most if I were a Trump supporter. Having seen his approval numbers improve (response to BLM?) if they start slipping away again it can only be poor for the President and this is Rasmussen so doubly ominous.

    Are you getting involved on the Sussex Downs this week? I really fancy CIRCUS MAXIMUS for the Sussex but seven runners puts me off - I thought he was an each way bet to nothing at 6s.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,044
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    Whately was dire on R4 this morning; out of her depth even by this government’s mediocre standards.
    I'm losing track of how many dire media outings she has had. I guess it'll be the backbench for her after September's reshuffle.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098
    edited July 2020

    Barnesian said:

    Anyone got any bright ideas as to why it is so many countries on the continent seem to be having a panic moment over the dreaded second wave, yet there's no immediate sign of things going horribly wrong over here? Are we, for some reason, following the likes of Spain and Belgium and just a couple of weeks behind, or is there something that Britain is actually doing right that other countries aren't?

    Latest data shows R hovering above 1 and reported cases very slowly increasing.
    No sign of a surge or second wave - just a slight swell.



    Apologies for delayed reply, I've been making dinner... I have noticed the little uptick on your graphs recently, but the estimated R value is only just over 1 and there's no obvious signal that the Plague is taking off again in the other data, apart (possibly) from cases identified by test which can easily be explained away by carpet bombing in the hotspots. I'd be more concerned if the triage calls and hospitalisations started to tick upwards, but last time I looked (which was only yesterday) those indicators still looked fine.
    MaxPB said:

    Lots and lots of testing. For once our strategy might actually be paying off.

    Is the UK genuinely doing more and better targeting testing than other countries now? I don't know the answer to this

    Reading other contributions down thread - and remembering yesterday's discussions about Spain - I do wonder if it's simply a matter of British people, and especially the young, going out and gathering in large groups less, and perhaps also related to the hospitality industry, i.e. a smaller proportion of establishments being open to begin with, and those that have decided to unshutter perhaps taking their Covid precautions more seriously? But that's just a guess of course.
    I don’t know what the MOE is on those data given the assumptions involved, but over a long time series it looks like the problem (again) is London.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,732
    Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Lloyd, Sobers, Dujon, Swann, Marshall, Walsh, Holding?

    https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1287795598914211840?s=20
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,289
    Apologies if this has already been posted:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/trump-loses-election-what-happens-possibilities

    Let's hope this doesn't come to pass.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    Might be wise to plan an alternative route that bypasses Belgium.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,865
    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Very depressed that so many are still failing to look through the Boris and see the Johnson. 😟
    Everyone loves Boris!
    Mmm. That's the source of my blues. People are stuck at 3rd date stage with him and it worries me. He won't respect us in the morning.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    stodge said:

    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.

    FWIW, I've been to the local Tesco and M&S since the mask edict came into force and compliance is 100%, "enforced" by nothing more than a polite lady stood by the door waiting to issue gentle reminders to those who may have been a little absent-minded before setting out to shop. I think Tesco were also handing out masks to the forgetful, though whether they were giving away freebies or selling packets of them I don't know. Aldi might be a little more relaxed about it all - there seemed to be a moment a few weeks ago when they gave up counting people in and out of the store - but I've not been in there for a while so I couldn't really say.

    It might just be the case that middle class types wear the masks because they want to be polite and avoid an argument, even if they think they're not much use and/or loathe them.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
    Scotland's wonderful apart from parts of Glasgow, some of the people there are from the arse crack of the world.

  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Horrible day here. Wind rain you name it.

    Yes nasty.

    A day to curl up with a good whatever you like to curl up with.
    How are you mate?
    Special good wishes to you CHB
    Thanks mate, hope you're doing well too
    Yes still on it TY! :lol:
    Are we allowed to talk about Watford?

    You've got some shit owners.
    Yes we allowed to mention Watford

    It's been coming - the story of the last game was the story of the season. Can't defend, can't take our chances.

    :angry:

    An Arsenal supporting friend did enjoy relegating Troy 'Cojones' Deeney.
    Maybe Liverpool will sign Troy to see if you can win CL again next season...
    You’ve been quiet for a while or have I just missed you?
  • isam said:

    Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Lloyd, Sobers, Dujon, Swann, Marshall, Walsh, Holding?

    https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1287795598914211840?s=20

    George Headley to replace Haynes.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    isam said:

    Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Lloyd, Sobers, Dujon, Swann, Marshall, Walsh, Holding?

    https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1287795598914211840?s=20

    Joel Garner, Ramadhin and Valentine.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    Whately was dire on R4 this morning; out of her depth even by this government’s mediocre standards.
    I thought Ir was only nasty Piers who made her look dire?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098
    Andy_JS said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    My mum is going to Iceland on Sunday. I don't have any plans.
    At least she’ll have a full freezer ready for any second wave.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098

    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    Whately was dire on R4 this morning; out of her depth even by this government’s mediocre standards.
    I thought Ir was only nasty Piers who made her look dire?
    She gabbled away, talked way too fast, struggled to try and avoid answering whatever she was asked, and - perhaps I am getting old - sounded like a politics student rather than a government minister.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
    You are now just trying to Harris us. It is Holy inappropriate.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
    You are now just trying to Harris us. It is Holy inappropriate.
    Isle be the judge of that my Mann.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098
    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
    You are now just trying to Harris us. It is Holy inappropriate.
    Skye’s the limit.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,981

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    Anyone going on holiday this year? Even to Scotland??

    Would you want to give the Sainted Nicola your ££££. I am intending to drive thro France Belgium and Germany to spend a week with my stepson and his wife. I will have to check on restrictions nearer the time.
    I don't go to Scotland on principle. It's nasty there.
    Scotland's wonderful apart from parts of Glasgow, some of the people there are from the arse crack of the world.

    That's one of the pubs in Glasgow that's started gentrifying right?

    I understand they've started putting bog roll in the bogs.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769

    isam said:

    Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Lara, Lloyd, Sobers, Dujon, Swann, Marshall, Walsh, Holding?

    https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1287795598914211840?s=20

    George Headley to replace Haynes.
    Hammond for Lara as well.

    Otherwise seems a fair enough set. The only other English contender might be Knott for Dujon, but Dujon was excellent to seam if Knott was better to spin.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,407
    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    I think I need to Mull it over.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    edited July 2020
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
    You are now just trying to Harris us. It is Holy inappropriate.
    Skye’s the limit.
    I don't like Lundys but Saturday night's all Wight for fighting (I'm told).
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    IanB2 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Anyone got any bright ideas as to why it is so many countries on the continent seem to be having a panic moment over the dreaded second wave, yet there's no immediate sign of things going horribly wrong over here? Are we, for some reason, following the likes of Spain and Belgium and just a couple of weeks behind, or is there something that Britain is actually doing right that other countries aren't?

    Latest data shows R hovering above 1 and reported cases very slowly increasing.
    No sign of a surge or second wave - just a slight swell.



    Apologies for delayed reply, I've been making dinner... I have noticed the little uptick on your graphs recently, but the estimated R value is only just over 1 and there's no obvious signal that the Plague is taking off again in the other data, apart (possibly) from cases identified by test which can easily be explained away by carpet bombing in the hotspots. I'd be more concerned if the triage calls and hospitalisations started to tick upwards, but last time I looked (which was only yesterday) those indicators still looked fine.
    MaxPB said:

    Lots and lots of testing. For once our strategy might actually be paying off.

    Is the UK genuinely doing more and better targeting testing than other countries now? I don't know the answer to this

    Reading other contributions down thread - and remembering yesterday's discussions about Spain - I do wonder if it's simply a matter of British people, and especially the young, going out and gathering in large groups less, and perhaps also related to the hospitality industry, i.e. a smaller proportion of establishments being open to begin with, and those that have decided to unshutter perhaps taking their Covid precautions more seriously? But that's just a guess of course.
    I don’t know what the MOE is on those data given the assumptions involved, but over a long time series it looks like the problem (again) is London.
    If London is becoming a problem area again then it is doing so at a truly glacial pace. The helpful case data provided by @Malmesbury in the previous thread show very modest activity in Hackney and naff all anywhere else, and there's nothing of obvious concern on the GLA data dashboard either.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,769
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
    You are now just trying to Harris us. It is Holy inappropriate.
    Isle be the judge of that my Mann.
    I think it’s time for a Ban on these puns.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,245

    Apologies if this has already been posted:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/trump-loses-election-what-happens-possibilities

    Let's hope this doesn't come to pass.

    BS - but at least not counter-productive like the Guardian's efforts at anti-W voter persuasion in 2004.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    What do you expect the Government to do?

    FFS these self-entitled whingers, they went on a holiday knowing the risks. They could have stayed at home like most of the country but they went abroad and now have to quarantine.

    What should the Government do here?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    stodge said:

    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.

    If masks work then why don;t we all wear them all the time?

    And if they don;'t then why wear them at all?

  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    What do you expect the Government to do?

    FFS these self-entitled whingers, they went on a holiday knowing the risks. They could have stayed at home like most of the country but they went abroad and now have to quarantine.

    What should the Government do here?
    The top rated comments are in support of the government.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098
    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why not turn Isle of Man into permanent party island for Brits? Bring in thousands of sun lamps, make the ferries one-way - problem solved!

    I don't think the Isle of Man is part of the UK
    Tis within the Queen's realm AND no pesky MP to object. Certainly was NOT a problem in WWII when HMG used IoM as holiday camp for assorted enemy aliens. IF it was good enough for foreign layabouts, surely good enough for British ones!

    BUT if not being in UK is deal-breaker, then obvious alternative is Isle of Wight.

    Indeed, could also turn Channel Islands, Lewis (and Harris), Orkney, Shetland, etc. into chain of special holiday/interment camps. With Rockall for the true "adventure" tourist.
    Now you’re just being Scilly.
    After some beer;

    Jersey (Just like) you go and Falklands off, you and your Ascension. Canada get a word of sense out of you and mostly your views don't bear Belize.

    Don't you Guernsey (Go saying) that India event of any trouble it'll be you, a Guyana, and another guy ana, that'll be there.

    Uganda the truth! Or maybe you don't gander it.

    ...

    I'm not just taking my coat off the hook!

    Yes, very sarky, but I think you have missed the common thread here. Mull it over and it may come to you.
    Ha!

    And Ha!'s to @ydoethur too

    Sort of fun to try to see what you can make of these things.
    You are now just trying to Harris us. It is Holy inappropriate.
    Isle be the judge of that my Mann.
    I think it’s time for a Ban on these puns.
    That’s Wiay too harsh, almost Mingulay.

    At least the Cornyvirus Pundemic remains in good health.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    stodge said:

    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.

    If masks work then why don;t we all wear them all the time?

    And if they don;'t then why wear them at all?

    Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean it isn't effective.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    stodge said:

    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.

    If masks work then why don;t we all wear them all the time?

    And if they don;'t then why wear them at all?

    I was about to complain about the eruption of cricket talk. I get enough of that from my husband.

    But I'd much rather a whole evening mulling over the minutiae of West Indian batting in the 1970s than yet another bad tempered argument over masks.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739

    If masks work then why don;t we all wear them all the time?

    And if they don;'t then why wear them at all?

    https://twitter.com/Irishcamera/status/1287770050573869056
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,098

    eek said:

    I know it's the Daily Mail but the report about the Government's reaction to people returning from Spain is a sight to behold https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564015/The-Brits-whos-life-turned-upside-overnight.html

    The Government offering of Universal Credit and ACAS if your employer decides to fire you isn't going to go down well.

    What do you expect the Government to do?

    FFS these self-entitled whingers, they went on a holiday knowing the risks. They could have stayed at home like most of the country but they went abroad and now have to quarantine.

    What should the Government do here?
    The top rated comments are in support of the government.
    The DM anti-fun brigade swings into action..
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,245
    "Finally managed Trawsfynydd and Llyn Tegid in a day."

    Are these especially challenging positions from Kama Sutra?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    Anecdotal experience from the wild East of London this lunchtime.

    Tesco's - I'd say 75% observance of masks in-store but no staff challenging those not wearing them.

    Part of me wonders if resistance to mask wearing is cultural - I have a sense in America refusal to wear masks seems to go hand-in-hand with strong religious beliefs or with belief in conspiracy theories around "one world" Government.

    I'm also interested in those anti-mask wearers who witter on about their "freedom" and their "rights". This is where I part company with that part of the spectrum - I think Freedom FROM is more important than Freedom TO. Wearing a mask so we can all be free from the virus seems far more important than my right to wear or not wear a mask.

    Margaret Thatcher spoke about personal responsibility but I think she always saw that in the context of everyone taking their share of responsibility for the wider community. The problem is after 40 years it has been distorted into a highly individualist creed where responsibility begins and ends with you and perhaps your family and there is no sense of any obligation to a wider grouping.

    The mask wearing law is unenforceable (we know that) so it requires that wider sense of collective responsibility.

    If masks work then why don;t we all wear them all the time?

    And if they don;'t then why wear them at all?

    Just because something hasn't been done before doesn't mean it isn't effective.
    Masks have been around for thousands of years.

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