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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Six points from Russia, Vote Leave!
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Oh dear

    https://twitter.com/healthuever/status/731602198774304769

    Will there be an EU to leave by the 23rd of June?*

    *Hyperbole intentional. If you can't take a joke please go away...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Russia give us 6 points!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Alice – ‏@aliceisms

    General election results should be done like #Eurovision. "Hello David Dimbleby it's Bury calling, aaaand its 12 pts to the GREEEEENS
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited May 2016


    ComRes: By two-to-one margin, 45% to 21%, voters say that Boris Johnson is “more likely to tell the truth about the EU” than David Cameron.
    At what point will the head of BSE, Will Straw, tell Cameron that he must STFU and not represent REMAIN anymore?

    https://twitter.com/michaelpdeacon/status/731593347249344512
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited May 2016
    I think Australia are close to mathematically winning.

    Hahahaha.
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    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @stephenkb: @gabyhinsliff @_IanMoss The reality is that Catrina and the Waves lost five million votes from 1997 to 2010.
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    Boris and Hitler. Is this another project fear game changer for REMAIN that we read about night after night after night? FFS how many game changers positive for REMAIN can there be in face of the indicators that are good for LEAVE?
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    Speedy said:

    I think Australia are close to mathematically winning.

    Hahahaha.

    Are REMAIN close to winning? Innocent face.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Speedy said:

    I think Australia are close to mathematically winning.

    Hahahaha.

    This is only half of the vote....
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Richard Osman!
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:


    ComRes: By two-to-one margin, 45% to 21%, voters say that Boris Johnson is “more likely to tell the truth about the EU” than David Cameron.
    At what point will the head of BSE, Will Straw, tell Cameron that he must STFU and not represent REMAIN anymore?

    https://twitter.com/michaelpdeacon/status/731593347249344512
    Sorry....

    That is funny. Just too funny. Not quite Lagarde funny but close!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Oh dear

    https://twitter.com/healthuever/status/731602198774304769

    Will there be an EU to leave by the 23rd of June?*

    *Hyperbole intentional. If you can't take a joke please go away...

    I drive across that border quite often on the main E45 near Flensberg. There have been border guards with parked police vehicles chicane style there for at least 3 months now but this is something again. Actually quite difficult to enforce as well if not impossible.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Mortimer said:

    Speedy said:

    I think Australia are close to mathematically winning.

    Hahahaha.

    This is only half of the vote....
    I think we passed the point of no return.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @janemerrick23: You get the feeling that @richardosman and UK jury voted for Georgia because it would be Pointless in the question: #Eurovision entries
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    We actually have more than 50 points :)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off?
    You OK hun? :lol:
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
    Calm down and lets celebrate that no european won eurovision for once.
    With some luck next year it will be broadcasted at lunchtime from Sidney.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Boris and Hitler. Is this another project fear game changer for REMAIN that we read about night after night after night? FFS how many game changers positive for REMAIN can there be in face of the indicators that are good for LEAVE?

    Big difference between saying what Hitler did to the Jews/ Zionists and drawing the parallel that the EU has as its ultimate goal, through ever close union and relatively peacefully - the same thing that Hitler did by more direct methods.

    Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Speedy said:

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
    Calm down and lets celebrate that no european won eurovision for once.
    With some luck next year it will be broadcasted at lunchtime from Sidney.
    Um, no. The Aussies are supposed to "pair up" with a European country of their choice.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Speedy said:

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
    Calm down and lets celebrate that no european won eurovision for once.
    With some luck next year it will be broadcasted at lunchtime from Sidney.
    Even if they win it won't be hosted in Australia.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off?
    You OK hun? :lol:
    I'm absolutely fine Sunil, it's Eurovision night, can't get much better than that.
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    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.
    So that is a no from you then? Is swearing at another PB person appropriate behaviour for a moderator? You sound awfully tough for a chap in red shoes.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited May 2016

    Speedy said:

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
    Calm down and lets celebrate that no european won eurovision for once.
    With some luck next year it will be broadcasted at lunchtime from Sidney.
    Um, no. The Aussies are supposed to "pair up" with a European country of their choice.
    The UK ?
    Anyway, it's win win.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
    Calm down and lets celebrate that no european won eurovision for once.
    With some luck next year it will be broadcasted at lunchtime from Sidney.
    The commentators here said that if Australia won, next year would be from 'somewhere in Europe.'
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off?
    You OK hun? :lol:
    I'm absolutely fine Sunil, it's Eurovision night, can't get much better than that.
    Why the colourful language? Shall I get the Moderator to edit?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    No doubt the BSE campaign will flag this as "This is what will happen if you vote LEAVE"
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jomccarron: Is this what Farage is always on about when he talks about the Australian points system!? #Eurovision
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Speedy said:

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.

    Stick to inaccurately smearing pollsters, is the only thing you're good at.
    Calm down and lets celebrate that no european won eurovision for once.
    With some luck next year it will be broadcasted at lunchtime from Sidney.
    They said it would be hosted somewhere in Europe.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off? Seriously, been there done those threads, but you choose to ignore that.
    So that is a no from you then? Is swearing at another PB person appropriate behaviour for a moderator? You sound awfully tough for a chap in red shoes.
    It's not a no from me. Learn to read.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Speedy said:

    Mortimer said:

    Speedy said:

    I think Australia are close to mathematically winning.

    Hahahaha.

    This is only half of the vote....
    I think we passed the point of no return.
    I think you might be right....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off?
    You OK hun? :lol:
    I'm absolutely fine Sunil, it's Eurovision night, can't get much better than that.
    Why the colourful language? Shall I get the Moderator to edit?
    Some Leavers are annoying me no end with their inaccurate bullpooo, so my patience is getting exhausted.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    The people of Europe really don't like us!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Televoting sending UK into freefall....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291
    I reckon we're going to finish bottom 3/4 with the televote.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Third from last.. lol
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    edited May 2016
    Interesting that Austria - who I thought had a decent song - did badly with the juries but well with the televote. But I can't believe how well Poland has done with the popular vote!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    tlg86 said:

    The people of Europe really don't like us!

    The feeling might be mutual during eurovision night.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    tlg86 said:

    The people of Europe really don't like us!

    Vote LEAVE then - that'll show them - hit them in their wallets.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2016
    tlg86 said:

    The people of Europe really don't like us!

    Yup.
    They like our financial contributions though.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291
    I'm not sure I like this new voting system.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    tlg86 said:

    Interesting that Austria - who I thought had a decent song - did badly with the juries but well with the televote. But I can't believe how well Poland has done with the popular vote!

    Yup and Sweden
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I have the feeling that Poland from last with 7 points will get 200 points from the voters.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    tlg86 said:

    Interesting that Austria - who I thought had a decent song - did badly with the juries but well with the televote. But I can't believe how well Poland has done with the popular vote!

    Yup and Sweden
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206

    Are we near to TSE/Meeks/Nabavi/OGH to write a thread about what REMAIN are getting wrong?

    Why don't you fuck off?
    You OK hun? :lol:
    I'm absolutely fine Sunil, it's Eurovision night, can't get much better than that.
    Why the colourful language? Shall I get the Moderator to edit?
    Some Leavers are annoying me no end with their inaccurate bullpooo, so my patience is getting exhausted.
    Calm down, dear!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Well Austria and Bulgaria doing well with the public vote. Pretty girls singing decent songs, who would have thought they'd be popular? Of course, the juries can't approve of such tastes.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    RobD said:

    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!

    Diaspora votes ;)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291
    Gerronwithit
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Ukraine have won!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PlopGazette: Alex Salmond already writing how the voting system would have favoured an independent Scotland #Eurovision
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    What!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Televoting sending UK into freefall....

    The thing is this is what the average Joe and Joanne Public sees rather than the Punch and Judy of the leave / remain camps. I wonder how many votes got turned tonight as that phone vote hit the screen from remain to leave or even DK's making up there minds based on the same observation you just made.

    There will be some ......but how many? Will it make that touch of difference to tip it in leaves favour?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291
    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Am glad switched over from Eurovision ages ago (Just tuned in briefly for Timberlake at half time and the first few votes). Have watched excellent Shakespeare and now Margin Call while avoiding yet another UK whitewash (Malta excepted of course) and the farce of a Chinese Australian winning a European song contest. Hopefully the Australians put it on after Neighbours next year!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Wow, I thought Australia's lead was unassailable.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    I need to update my UK in Eurovision chart
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Australia was robbed, may Putin get revenge for the aussies.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,308

    Boris and Hitler. Is this another project fear game changer for REMAIN that we read about night after night after night? FFS how many game changers positive for REMAIN can there be in face of the indicators that are good for LEAVE?

    Remain have seen Boris' trust figures on Europe so they're trashing him.

    Also seems (to me) to be a fall-back strategy to ensure Boris doesn't become Cameron's successor.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Cracking cliffhanger of a voting system.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited May 2016

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    As I said they would. Hope you got your bets on accordingly? :smile:

    Moses_ Posts: 3,192
    May 12
    Eurovision’s Ukraine singer Jamala probably a shoo in

    Always ...DYOR
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    I hope they publish the popular points breakdown to see where those votes came from. That Polish song was absolute rubbish but I suspect Sunil is right about the diaspora.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!

    Diaspora votes ;)
    Hah, yeah. We gave them ten points apparently!
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!

    Diaspora votes ;)
    Hah, yeah. We gave them ten points apparently!
    Didn't our 12 go to Georgia?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Wonder if they will adopt the same system for EURef. First. the experts. Then, the popular vote swings it the other way.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Um, the song is aimed at Stalin, not Putin.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Rubbish song, IMHO :)
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!

    Diaspora votes ;)
    Hah, yeah. We gave them ten points apparently!
    Didn't our 12 go to Georgia?
    Jury, yes. The televote was Lithuania, Poland, Bulgaria.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Um, the song is aimed at Stalin, not Putin.
    Yeah, right!!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Speedy said:

    What!

    Australia, second like Corbo.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Um, the song is aimed at Stalin, not Putin.
    They had to say that to be able to use it.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,308
    Slightly freaked out, 44 being the number that appears everywhere in my life, it's now won Eurovision.

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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Bonkers voting system.

    Ukraine matched as low as 1.01 before going up to 3.65.

    Then the market gets suspended.

    Then they win.

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    Boris and Hitler. Is this another project fear game changer for REMAIN that we read about night after night after night? FFS how many game changers positive for REMAIN can there be in face of the indicators that are good for LEAVE?

    Remain have seen Boris' trust figures on Europe so they're trashing him.

    Also seems (to me) to be a fall-back strategy to ensure Boris doesn't become Cameron's successor.
    Exactly correct. From the same people that cried foul when Leave people did the sane in reverse to Cameron.

    Boris is an idiot in using the Hitler analogy, but it is nowhere near as dishonest as the "official treaury analysis" they are claiming the £4,300 is. Actually that number is not in the Treasury document but was a back of the envelope calculation by Osborne on top of it. The sheer dishonesty of dividing a 2030 difference by 2015 households is obvious, yet it is the centre of the Remain campaign.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    edited May 2016
    I thought our song was quite good this year and most certainly did not deserve to be third from the bottom.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,291
    I no longer consider AV to be greatest voting system known to man, this Eurovision voting system is the bestest. D'Hondt You Want Me Baby #Eurovision
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,045
    Good job Australia were there or it would have been a straight fight between Russia and Ukraine. Would be interesting to see the voting patterns from the Slavic countries.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Um, the song is aimed at Stalin, not Putin.
    Well Putin sees him as a role model, looks like Eurovision has managed to annoy the biggest nation in the competition and the newest member
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    tlg86 said:

    I hope they publish the popular points breakdown to see where those votes came from. That Polish song was absolute rubbish but I suspect Sunil is right about the diaspora.

    Of course the new system is rubbish, but it's predictable, 99% of central and east europeans (excluding Russia) would have voted for either Poland or anti-russian Ukraine, while 99% of Russians voted for Russia.

    It's eurovision after all, 99% politics 1% singing.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    Yipee. Win on Ukraine!
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,546
    Can we do the next General Election using the Eurovision voting system? I'm happy to volunteer for the jury service.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    edited May 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Um, the song is aimed at Stalin, not Putin.
    Well Putin sees him as a role model, looks like Eurovision has managed to annoy the biggest nation in the competition and the newest member
    Eurovision is supposed to be apolitical.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    Good job Australia were there or it would have been a straight fight between Russia and Ukraine. Would be interesting to see the voting patterns from the Slavic countries.

    Could have been Cam's WWIII starting up right there! :smiley:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    GIN1138 said:

    I thought our song was quite good this year and most certainly did not deserve to be third from the bottom.

    I thought it was piss poor, I mainly agreed with the public vote - Russia/Austria the best songs for me, Ukraine's effort quite forgettable - but what were the public smoking with Poland ?!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Speedy said:

    tlg86 said:

    I hope they publish the popular points breakdown to see where those votes came from. That Polish song was absolute rubbish but I suspect Sunil is right about the diaspora.

    Of course the new system is rubbish, but it's predictable, 99% of central and east europeans (excluding Russia) would have voted for either Poland or anti-russian Ukraine, while 99% of Russians voted for Russia.

    It's eurovision after all, 99% politics 1% singing.
    The new system is much better.

    If I'd have held my nerve that Aus wouldn't win I'd have made 6 times the £40 I did...
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Russia's song/performance was better than Ukraine's dreary entry, IMO.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!

    Diaspora votes ;)
    Hah, yeah. We gave them ten points apparently!
    Didn't our 12 go to Georgia?
    Jury, yes. The televote was Lithuania, Poland, Bulgaria.
    Diaspora votes, methinks!

    (though Bulgaria was easily best of these three)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,632

    HYUFD said:

    Wooo, Ukraine win.

    Up Yours Putin

    #Eurovision

    Um, the song is aimed at Stalin, not Putin.
    Well Putin sees him as a role model, looks like Eurovision has managed to annoy the biggest nation in the competition and the newest member
    Eurovision is supposed to be apolitical.
    Has it ever been so though? It's not worth getting concerned about.

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    The weirdest Eurovision I have ever seen, as well as being easily the most tedious and I only watched the voting, when it finally, finally got going.
    Frankly I thought it was a load of rubbish!
    Goodnight.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    RobD said:

    Wow, the juries hated the polish entry... and they are in the top four!

    Poland top 10 was my only winning eurovision bet.

    All my other bets lost.

    Spectacularly.

    I'm adding Eurovision to my *never ever bet on* list, along with the boat race and the Oscars.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Racist Mike - that pretty much rules me out!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    All sorts of strange things happening with Vanilla tonight - Just had a dramatic FONT change? :open_mouth:
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    GIN1138 said:

    Good job Australia were there or it would have been a straight fight between Russia and Ukraine. Would be interesting to see the voting patterns from the Slavic countries.

    Could have been Cam's WWIII starting up right there! :smiley:
    And before the vote in June!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793


    Frankly I thought it was a load of rubbish!

    Well that's the whole point of it, isn't it? :smiley:
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