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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,752
    ha, I got the slur in first

    Tezza and Tone - disaster
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,982
    Perhaps the most interesting question at the moment is what happens if Clinton wins. Will the Democratic establishment try to preempt the inevitable impeachment and force her out before she takes office?
  • When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Governor General :)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    tlg86 said:

    Mr. Sandpit, not giving any penalty at all sends the wrong signal entirely.

    I do wonder if Vettel may end up jumping ship if next season goes poorly. McLaren/Mercedes next?

    I think Charlie knows he f***** up on Sunday and Vettel's suffered enough. Doesn't excuse Vettel's behaviour, but I'll be honest, it was just about the only interesting thing about the race. They probably don't want the drivers to tone down the radio chat.

    My advice to Vettel, or any of the other drivers for that matter, if they don't like the way F1 has gone, try something else. The oval racing in the US is very exciting and doesn't have the nonsense of giving up position when someone goes off the track. A mistake on an oval ends up with a big crash and the end of the race.
    He didn't 'f' up. He said straight away they would look at the incident and penalise Verstappen after the race if necessary. Which is exactly what happened. Vettel was also in line for a penalty and a more sever one at that so why is did he not moan about that not being imposed immediately. As it is he stole Ricciardo's place on the podium.
    Apologies if I have got this wrong, but did the incident for which Vettel was penalised happen after the Verstappen incident?
  • Mr. Sandpit, Hulkenberg's one to watch if it's wet. He put a Williams on pole there, and could've won around 2012, and would've had a podium but got a penalty for a small slide in the wet, colliding with Hamilton.

    Button's also good, and the Red Bulls will be tasty too.

    The major loser is Rosberg. He's second class (or was at Silverstone in the wet) compared to his peers. In the dry, he could win.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    edited November 2016
    RobD said:

    30.1%.. the march upwards continues.... 0.1% at a time ;)

    This is a fantastic political drama. Beats West Wing. I can't wait for the box set to come out. Thank God it's only fiction. If it was really happening we would be royally stuffed.

    EDIT Anyone seen the ending yet? I'm up for a spoiler. Where's Brody when we need him?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,348

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    taffys said:

    ''You were outcompeted by a woman I assume''

    Not really. I actually prefer women bosses. No testosterone. No 'mine's bigger than yours'. Much easier.

    I have women bosses - my editors and my agent, in journalism and thriller-writing, nearly all women. Very easy to work for.

    My agent has a theory that women make better leaders and men make better entrepreneurs. A glance at English royal history might say that's true, we've had three great queens out of seven or eight (depending how you define).

    Elizabeth One and Two, and Victoria.

    The percentage of great kings is much lower.
    What makes QE2 'great', other than her longevity? No question about the other two, natch.

    What makes Queent Elizabeth II great is her knowhow, a much under recognised talent.
    The role of a queen is obviously pretty different from most politicians. But she's been doing it for over 60 years and hasn't really put a foot wrong. It's not as easy as it looks - look at the right mess her various family members have made of things over the years. Yet she sails serenely on. Presumably she has her own views about things, her own ego. But it is all subsumed to the role, the duty. Whatever you think of the monarchy as a concept - and I'm ambivalent at best - it'd be churlish to say that she does anything other than a good job. A great job, in fact.
  • Jobabob said:

    @CasinoRoyale

    I hope you took the 6/1 on Hillary 270-299. Great insurance if you are long Trump (like me) or long Hillary blowout.

    Thanks. I did.
  • My proposal is completely different!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,565

    Charles said:

    When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Ambassador to the Court of St. James?
    Pedant warning.

    The Court of St James's.

    Where King Kev used to reign for the Toon Army!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Mr. Sandpit, not giving any penalty at all sends the wrong signal entirely.

    I do wonder if Vettel may end up jumping ship if next season goes poorly. McLaren/Mercedes next?

    I think Charlie knows he f***** up on Sunday and Vettel's suffered enough. Doesn't excuse Vettel's behaviour, but I'll be honest, it was just about the only interesting thing about the race. They probably don't want the drivers to tone down the radio chat.

    My advice to Vettel, or any of the other drivers for that matter, if they don't like the way F1 has gone, try something else. The oval racing in the US is very exciting and doesn't have the nonsense of giving up position when someone goes off the track. A mistake on an oval ends up with a big crash and the end of the race.
    He didn't 'f' up. He said straight away they would look at the incident and penalise Verstappen after the race if necessary. Which is exactly what happened. Vettel was also in line for a penalty and a more sever one at that so why is did he not moan about that not being imposed immediately. As it is he stole Ricciardo's place on the podium.
    Apologies if I have got this wrong, but did the incident for which Vettel was penalised happen after the Verstappen incident?
    Yes. Vettel was penalised for squeezing Ricciardo on the next lap (I think lap 70 of 71).
  • RobD said:

    30.1%.. the march upwards continues.... 0.1% at a time ;)

    DJTICIPM! :lol:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Mr. Sandpit, not giving any penalty at all sends the wrong signal entirely.

    I do wonder if Vettel may end up jumping ship if next season goes poorly. McLaren/Mercedes next?

    I think Charlie knows he f***** up on Sunday and Vettel's suffered enough. Doesn't excuse Vettel's behaviour, but I'll be honest, it was just about the only interesting thing about the race. They probably don't want the drivers to tone down the radio chat.

    My advice to Vettel, or any of the other drivers for that matter, if they don't like the way F1 has gone, try something else. The oval racing in the US is very exciting and doesn't have the nonsense of giving up position when someone goes off the track. A mistake on an oval ends up with a big crash and the end of the race.
    He didn't 'f' up. He said straight away they would look at the incident and penalise Verstappen after the race if necessary. Which is exactly what happened. Vettel was also in line for a penalty and a more sever one at that so why is did he not moan about that not being imposed immediately. As it is he stole Ricciardo's place on the podium.
    Apologies if I have got this wrong, but did the incident for which Vettel was penalised happen after the Verstappen incident?
    Yes. Vettel was penalised for squeezing Ricciardo on the next lap (I think lap 70 of 71).
    So had Verstappen moved out of the way, then the Vettel incident wouldn't have happened.

    This is the problem. If track limits won't be respected, severe penalties need to be imposed. Basically, if you cut the corner and don't give up the place, then you should be disqualified and sent to the back of the grid at the next race.
  • Charles said:

    When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Ambassador to the Court of St. James?
    Pedant warning.

    The Court of St James's.

    Where King Kev used to reign for the Toon Army!
    You mean the station on the Circle Line?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,081

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,565

    Charles said:

    When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Ambassador to the Court of St. James?
    Pedant warning.

    The Court of St James's.

    Where King Kev used to reign for the Toon Army!
    You mean the station on the Circle Line?
    Circle and District, even!
  • I wonder how Hillary's health is bearing up. Now in her 70th year, she's clearly had problems recently, viz "pneumonia" plus her having fainted in public a few weeks back for whatever reason. Further the intensive and prolonged campaign must be making huge demands on her mentally as well as physically.
    Then to top things off, having been coasting to the Presidency for the last two years, she is now seeing her lead being largely whittled away at this late stage, plus the possibility at least of having ultimately to face criminal charges, unless pardoned by the outgoing President.
    Add to all that the much publicised rumours of serious problems in her marriage and it's a minor miracle that she hasn't folded before now, perhaps she still will.
  • Charles said:

    When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Ambassador to the Court of St. James?
    Pedant warning.

    The Court of St James's.

    Where King Kev used to reign for the Toon Army!
    You mean the station on the Circle Line?
    Circle and District, even!
    Just testing you ;)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,752

    China and Germany in trade bust up. Chinese accuse Germans of being protectionist

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/china-greift-deutschland-an-14507795.html
  • Anyway, chaps, I'm off. Interesting day for F1 news, with Brawn and expletives.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,081
    Barnesian said:

    Chris said:

    Barnesian said:

    RobD said:


    RobD said:

    Is all the hysteria on here down to that ABC poll? When I was lurking yesterday, JackW posted several polls which looked pretty okay for Clinton.

    There has been more than one good poll for Trump in recent days.

    Speaking of which, he's just hit 30% on 538 ;)
    The only polls which I've seen him close the gap nationally, are the ABC polls. I don't take LA Times/Rasmussen seriously, if those are the polls you're referring to.
    ABC can't be the only one causing this trend:

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/
    I've just noticed that the adjusted forecast includes a +1.5% trend adjustment for Trump. That is 0.2% per day until the election. I've been mentally adding a trend projection to Trump's share but it's already in his number.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is an adjustment of data from older polls according to the movement of the average since they were taken, not a projection forward in time to election day. At least that's the way it's described for the state-by-state estimates, though the process seems rather circular when applied to national polls:
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-users-guide-to-fivethirtyeights-2016-general-election-forecast/
    You're probably right. This is doing my head in.
    It's not clear to me how it works for national polls. But if that's what he's effectively doing, that may mean the full effect of the FBI intervention may be apparent a bit earlier than I'd been assuming - maybe by Thursday or thereabouts.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,752
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    you dont have to imagine it, HRC has been parading a strng of ladies accusing Trump for weeks.

    How many will continue to pursue him post 9th November ?

    Zero I'd suggest
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    edited November 2016
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Mr. Sandpit, not giving any penalty at all sends the wrong signal entirely.

    I do wonder if Vettel may end up jumping ship if next season goes poorly. McLaren/Mercedes next?

    I think Charlie knows he f***** up on Sunday and Vettel's suffered enough. Doesn't excuse Vettel's behaviour, but I'll be honest, it was just about the only interesting thing about the race. They probably don't want the drivers to tone down the radio chat.

    My advice to Vettel, or any of the other drivers for that matter, if they don't like the way F1 has gone, try something else. The oval racing in the US is very exciting and doesn't have the nonsense of giving up position when someone goes off the track. A mistake on an oval ends up with a big crash and the end of the race.
    He didn't 'f' up. He said straight away they would look at the incident and penalise Verstappen after the race if necessary. Which is exactly what happened. Vettel was also in line for a penalty and a more sever one at that so why is did he not moan about that not being imposed immediately. As it is he stole Ricciardo's place on the podium.
    Apologies if I have got this wrong, but did the incident for which Vettel was penalised happen after the Verstappen incident?
    Yes. Vettel was penalised for squeezing Ricciardo on the next lap (I think lap 70 of 71).
    So had Verstappen moved out of the way, then the Vettel incident wouldn't have happened.

    This is the problem. If track limits won't be respected, severe penalties need to be imposed. Basically, if you cut the corner and don't give up the place, then you should be disqualified and sent to the back of the grid at the next race.
    Correct on the first point. Vettel's complaint was that Verstappen backed him into Ricciardo after he should have moved over.

    I had guessed it would be a grandstand finish as the tyre strategies played out, Verstappen in 3rd was on old tyres, being chased down by Vettel on fresher tyres, in turn being chased down by Ricciardo on new soft tyres and flying.

    It all happened rather quickly, and IMHO the stewards dealt with it as quickly as they could. The race finished about 90" after the Vettel/Ricciardo collision, but the stewards wanted to speak to them both before giving Vettel his penalty. Versappen's penalty was easier to decide, and so young Max was ushered out of the cool down room for Vettel to take the podium. Ricciardo ended up with the points for 3rd, but finished 5th on the road, all understood? ;)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    CNN chief Jeff Zucker tore in to former network contributor Donna Brazile during a conference call on Tuesday, calling the interim Democratic National Committee chair “unethical” and “disgusting” for leaking debate and town hall questions to the Clinton campaign.

    Brazile’s leak of debate questions, revealed in a series of stolen emails published by WikiLeaks, “hurts all of us,” Zucker told network employees, The Huffington Post reports.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/01/cnn-chief-rips-disgusting-donna-brazile-over-leaks-to-clinton-campaign/
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,081

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    you dont have to imagine it, HRC has been parading a strng of ladies accusing Trump for weeks.
    I don't wish to be rude - but please learn to read!
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2016
    Is any bookmaker offering "no overall majority" in the electoral college?

    That could happen if
    a) it's 269-269 or
    b) McMullin wins Utah and he and Trump get a total of between 269 and 275.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited November 2016
    Saw that early today and watched twice as couldn't quite believe my ears.

    Loved use of 'dainty' it's such a visual word
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,982

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    you dont have to imagine it, HRC has been parading a strng of ladies accusing Trump for weeks.

    How many will continue to pursue him post 9th November ?

    Zero I'd suggest
    And right on cue, look who's introducing Clinton at a rally...

    https://twitter.com/albamonica/status/793539952302850048
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,752
    edited November 2016
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    you dont have to imagine it, HRC has been parading a strng of ladies accusing Trump for weeks.
    I don't wish to be rude - but please learn to read!
    I dont wish to be rude but try seeing the faults in your heroine
  • I wonder how Hillary's health is bearing up. Now in her 70th year, she's clearly had problems recently, viz "pneumonia" plus her having fainted in public a few weeks back for whatever reason. Further the intensive and prolonged campaign must be making huge demands on her mentally as well as physically.
    Then to top things off, having been coasting to the Presidency for the last two years, she is now seeing her lead being largely whittled away at this late stage, plus the possibility at least of having ultimately to face criminal charges, unless pardoned by the outgoing President.
    Add to all that the much publicised rumours of serious problems in her marriage and it's a minor miracle that she hasn't folded before now, perhaps she still will.

    She looks like someone's granny on stage, rather than a presidential candidate.

    Personally, if a Trump win looks possible, I think just enough Americans will turn out to stop it (and the demographics are absolutely not in his favour - 20 years ago he'd have won) but it will be reluctantly, unenthusiastically and possibly with some anger.

    What a choice.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    @CasinoRoyale

    I hope you took the 6/1 on Hillary 270-299. Great insurance if you are long Trump (like me) or long Hillary blowout.

    Thanks. I did.
    Good for you. Glad to hear it.
  • Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    I have no desire to see either candidate in the White House, nor am I so blinded by dislike for one candidate, that I’m prepared to overlook the faults in the other. – That’s where we differ.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Scott Adams
    Today a beauty contest winner just accused Trump of judging women by their looks. That's a swing and a miss. #Trump #Clinton
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    PlatoSaid said:

    Scott Adams
    Today a beauty contest winner just accused Trump of judging women by their looks. That's a swing and a miss. #Trump #Clinton

    yeah alicia machado had no effect on Trump...
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    According to Wilkipedia Chris Matthews voted for Bush in 2000.
  • Dromedary said:

    Is any bookmaker offering "no overall majority" in the electoral college?

    That could happen if
    a) it's 269-269 or
    b) McMullin wins Utah and he and Trump get a total of between 269 and 275.

    Skybet are offering 100/1 for the tie
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,565
    justin124 said:

    According to Wilkipedia Chris Matthews voted for Bush in 2000.

    Are there Wikipedia pages for all of our voting records?

    Plato's should make entertaining reading...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    justin124 said:

    According to Wilkipedia Chris Matthews voted for Bush in 2000.

    Are there Wikipedia pages for all of our voting records?

    Plato's should make entertaining reading...
    I bet before 1997 she voted for the Workers Revolutionary Party.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,982
    Cyclefree said:
    The Southern Poverty Law Center again?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Jobabob said:

    Ms. Apocalypse, I shouldn't worry, this season it isn't mine either :p

    [I didn't start betting until a couple of years after I joined the site, and have strong memories of not understanding how the hell anything worked. 3.75 is just under 3/1].

    Tbh, I can easily see myself losing far too much money, at least if I got into betting right now. Maybe it's something to think about for the future....
    A good strategy is to bet AGAINST your favoured outcome, ideally at long odds!
    That is piss poor advice.

    If you are incapable of controlling your emotions you should not gamble significant sums of money.
  • Irrespective of who wins this tawdry contest, the next President is going to start off with the most humongous baggage of sleaze, distrust, hatred, weariness, and lack of democratic mandate. How can this possibly turn out well?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    619 said:
    Since many Trumpers actually does not know how to vote, this must mean: Go Hillary Go.

    We should all have a server at home.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Irrespective of who wins this tawdry contest, the next President is going to start off with the most humongous baggage of sleaze, distrust, hatred, weariness, and lack of democratic mandate. How can this possibly turn out well?

    There certainly won't be a honeymoon period for whoever wins.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainjwatson: Consensus from #ukip candidates on denouncing the article 50 process on leaving the eu - repeal of European communities act is enough
  • Charles said:

    When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Ambassador to the Court of St. James?
    Pedant warning.

    The Court of St James's.

    Where King Kev used to reign for the Toon Army!
    Back in the late 90s there was a joke trivia questio about the three pairs of PL/FL clubs that shared grounds.

    Crystal Palace and Wimbledon both played at Selhurst Park.

    Gillingham and Brighton both played at Priestfield.

    Newcastle and Exeter both played (and still do) at St. James('s) Park...
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    PlatoSaid said:

    CNN chief Jeff Zucker tore in to former network contributor Donna Brazile during a conference call on Tuesday, calling the interim Democratic National Committee chair “unethical” and “disgusting” for leaking debate and town hall questions to the Clinton campaign.

    Brazile’s leak of debate questions, revealed in a series of stolen emails published by WikiLeaks, “hurts all of us,” Zucker told network employees, The Huffington Post reports.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/01/cnn-chief-rips-disgusting-donna-brazile-over-leaks-to-clinton-campaign/

    If CNN shared debate questions with the interim DNC chair, that tells me a lot about CNN management competence.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2016

    Irrespective of who wins this tawdry contest, the next President is going to start off with the most humongous baggage of sleaze, distrust, hatred, weariness, and lack of democratic mandate. How can this possibly turn out well?

    Yes. This is the honeymoon. The winner may well come off second best.

    A bit like David Cameron who would have done better to have lost in 2015.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,982
    MP_SE said:

    Irrespective of who wins this tawdry contest, the next President is going to start off with the most humongous baggage of sleaze, distrust, hatred, weariness, and lack of democratic mandate. How can this possibly turn out well?

    There certainly won't be a honeymoon period for whoever wins.
    You might be surprised. It's possible that a Trump win will unleash a wave of gratitude for vanquishing the Clinton/Bush dynasties and everyone will claim to have voted for him.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    The People who inherited a mess are the poor bloody fans who have to watch West Ham there. The place is total pants. 5 times I've been, bloody hate it.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,081

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    I have no desire to see either candidate in the White House, nor am I so blinded by dislike for one candidate, that I’m prepared to overlook the faults in the other. – That’s where we differ.
    Never mind.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194

    Dromedary said:

    Is any bookmaker offering "no overall majority" in the electoral college?

    That could happen if
    a) it's 269-269 or
    b) McMullin wins Utah and he and Trump get a total of between 269 and 275.

    Skybet are offering 100/1 for the tie
    That would be a good price if it were for NOM, what with Betfair implying a probability of 37% that McMullin will take six electoral seats.
  • Charles said:

    When Trump wins what role will he give Farage?

    Ambassador to the Court of St. James?
    Pedant warning.

    The Court of St James's.

    Where King Kev used to reign for the Toon Army!
    You mean the station on the Circle Line?
    Circle and District, even!
    They're a ravenous horde
    And they all came in board
    At Sloane Square and South Kensington stations...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,238
    An article questioning why Clinton isn't awarded the presumption of innocence which is, funnily enough, the law:
    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/31/13474116/clinton-prime-directive

    And while I don't necessarily agree with all the assumptions in it, there does seem to be one standard for Trump, and another for Clinton.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MP_SE said:

    Irrespective of who wins this tawdry contest, the next President is going to start off with the most humongous baggage of sleaze, distrust, hatred, weariness, and lack of democratic mandate. How can this possibly turn out well?

    There certainly won't be a honeymoon period for whoever wins.
    You might be surprised. It's possible that a Trump win will unleash a wave of gratitude for vanquishing the Clinton/Bush dynasties and everyone will claim to have voted for him.
    I think Clinton will be an interesting one. I can see everything unravelling very quickly for her. There will be cries of corruption every time Clinton does something that could be perceived as benefiting a Clinton Foundation donor.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    TonyE said:

    The People who inherited a mess are the poor bloody fans who have to watch West Ham there. The place is total pants. 5 times I've been, bloody hate it.
    Not been following this too closely, what have been the issues there? I did notice their slightly experimental attempt at crowd segregation breaking down the other week though.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Perhaps the most interesting question at the moment is what happens if Clinton wins. Will the Democratic establishment try to preempt the inevitable impeachment and force her out before she takes office?

    With a Senate majority any House shenanigans will have the same outcome as it did against Bill.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    According to Wilkipedia Chris Matthews voted for Bush in 2000.

    Are there Wikipedia pages for all of our voting records?

    Plato's should make entertaining reading...
    I bet before 1997 she voted for the Workers Revolutionary Party.
    Workers?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,081

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Trump does do it, he has an awful lot to thank Mike Pence for - particularly wrt Utah and Arizona I think.

    If he wins narrowly, he will owe his victory entirely to James Comey.
    More accurately, he’ll owe it to the disgraced ex-congressman, Anthony Weiner's laptop.
    The point is that Weiner's laptop may contain nothing of relevance. Regardless of that, Comey decided to make an announcement, and that has had a very clear effect on the polls.

    Supposing Clinton's lead ends up being cut by 4 points, and Trump wins the election by 2 points, and then it turns out that there's wasn't anything relevant on the laptop anyway?

    It’s a chicken or egg argument. Ultimately, only Clinton has herself to blame for the initial FBI investigation and the reopening of the second, ably assisted by Huma Abedin’s stupidity.
    To get the full effect, you probably have to imagine the position was reversed. Suppose Trump was in the lead, then a week before election day it was announced he was going to be investigated for some offence, based on some unsubstantiated allegation - say it concerned something to do with an under-age girl. Then Trump's lead in the polls dropped by 4% and Clinton won the election by 2%. And then suppose it turned out that the whole thing was baseless.

    Trump supporters would all be quite happy that the authorities had acted properly, would they? In fact, they'd say Trump only had himself to blame because of his past behaviour?

    you dont have to imagine it, HRC has been parading a strng of ladies accusing Trump for weeks.
    I don't wish to be rude - but please learn to read!
    I dont wish to be rude but try seeing the faults in your heroine
    Never mind.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Former independent cousel who worked with Starr

    https://youtu.be/41531pfoY_4
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,299

    So who else has taken next Tuesday/Wednesday off work?

    I remember someone not a million miles from here being forced to cancel his booked holiday to the US to undertake ultra urgent contingency planning for Brexit, since when we've heard absolutely nothing further ..... funny that. The words "Drama" and "Queen" spring to mind, no offence meant.
    Bloody hell Peter, I've been working on delivering on our Brexit plan pretty much exclusively since the early hours of June 24th.

    I've been posting about it on here since then. My regular visits to France, and the occasional trips to Berlin.

    We're assuming the worst but hoping for the best.

    Like most we were expecting article 50 to be triggered this year.
    That will teach you for believing anything Cameron says.

  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    I can't understand why Clinton continued to surround herself with somebody who obviously had bad judgement in that she had married Wiener!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Barnesian said:

    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252

    No she's not.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    alex. said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252

    No she's not.
    She is at 2.0 whereas Lamb is at 3.1
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    surbiton said:

    619 said:
    Since many Trumpers actually does not know how to vote, this must mean: Go Hillary Go.

    We should all have a server at home.
    Over 32 million voted early in 2012.Of course, there is still a week to go!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    edited November 2016
    deleted

  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    alex. said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252

    No she's not.
    Is it just me, or are they all at 1.01 bar the two at the bottom?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited November 2016
    ..
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    Barnesian said:

    alex. said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252

    No she's not.
    She is at 2.0 whereas Lamb is at 3.1
    All others above her are at 1.01? That, and the market isn't exactly liquid!
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Barnesian said:

    alex. said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252

    No she's not.
    She is at 2.0 whereas Lamb is at 3.1
    And Tom Brake's 100/1 on. That's not how Betfair works.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987
    RobD said:

    alex. said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sarah Olney is now favourite on Betfair to be next LibDem leader!

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.119683252

    No she's not.
    Is it just me, or are they all at 1.01 bar the two at the bottom?
    In your settings, under "betting" you have your bet view set high, presumably because you bet in large stakes. Move it to £2 and hey presto, you see a lot of small stakes available.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited November 2016
    After having incredibly suspended their POTUS markets for the past three and a half days, Sporting's spreads finally re-appeared this evening.

    At their mid-point, they and 538.com are within 1-2 ECVs of one another as follows:

    Sporting:
    Clinton .......... 295 - 310
    Trump ........... 226 - 241

    538.com:
    Clinton......... 304
    Trump ......... 233
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    surbiton said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CNN chief Jeff Zucker tore in to former network contributor Donna Brazile during a conference call on Tuesday, calling the interim Democratic National Committee chair “unethical” and “disgusting” for leaking debate and town hall questions to the Clinton campaign.

    Brazile’s leak of debate questions, revealed in a series of stolen emails published by WikiLeaks, “hurts all of us,” Zucker told network employees, The Huffington Post reports.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/01/cnn-chief-rips-disgusting-donna-brazile-over-leaks-to-clinton-campaign/

    If CNN shared debate questions with the interim DNC chair, that tells me a lot about CNN management competence.
    She wasn't interim chair at the time, she was appointed after leaking the questions.

    Funny that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    PlatoSaid said:

    Former independent cousel who worked with Starr

    https://youtu.be/41531pfoY_4

    I have no special insight into Comey and the FBI re-opening their case on Hillary Clinton.

    But I have to ask myself this: which is more likely?

    1. Comey has gone into bat for Donald Trump, being overtly political to help save a sleazebag's Presidential bid that was flailing - at risk of huge personal shit being flung at him for intervening, and possibly being fired by the President for his pains.

    OR

    2. Comey has seen something on the Weiner laptop that shows Hillary Clinton has been lying her tits off. Under oath.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    MP_SE said:

    Jobabob said:

    Ms. Apocalypse, I shouldn't worry, this season it isn't mine either :p

    [I didn't start betting until a couple of years after I joined the site, and have strong memories of not understanding how the hell anything worked. 3.75 is just under 3/1].

    Tbh, I can easily see myself losing far too much money, at least if I got into betting right now. Maybe it's something to think about for the future....
    A good strategy is to bet AGAINST your favoured outcome, ideally at long odds!
    That is piss poor advice.

    If you are incapable of controlling your emotions you should not gamble significant sums of money.
    It generally works well for me. Makes me more realistic about prospects
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/793554132665761792

    £350m a week...

    Which we won't get until we are fully out.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    Jobabob said:

    MP_SE said:

    Jobabob said:

    Ms. Apocalypse, I shouldn't worry, this season it isn't mine either :p

    [I didn't start betting until a couple of years after I joined the site, and have strong memories of not understanding how the hell anything worked. 3.75 is just under 3/1].

    Tbh, I can easily see myself losing far too much money, at least if I got into betting right now. Maybe it's something to think about for the future....
    A good strategy is to bet AGAINST your favoured outcome, ideally at long odds!
    That is piss poor advice.

    If you are incapable of controlling your emotions you should not gamble significant sums of money.
    It generally works well for me. Makes me more realistic about prospects
    Also gives you a nice bonus if things don't go the way you wanted them to.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    PlatoSaid said:

    Former independent cousel who worked with Starr

    https://youtu.be/41531pfoY_4

    I have no special insight into Comey and the FBI re-opening their case on Hillary Clinton.

    But I have to ask myself this: which is more likely?

    1. Comey has gone into bat for Donald Trump, being overtly political to help save a sleazebag's Presidential bid that was flailing - at risk of huge personal shit being flung at him for intervening, and possibly being fired by the President for his pains.

    OR

    2. Comey has seen something on the Weiner laptop that shows Hillary Clinton has been lying her tits off. Under oath.
    I doubt very much that Corney has personally looked at anything at all on the Weiner laptop .
  • If someone says that Olney is evens for next leader, your response should be "I'll give you 2/1"!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    Which we won't get until we are fully out.

    ...ever
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Scott_P said:
    You know, that one Sandy Rentool and his Labour Leavers peddled to all and sundry, knowing full well it was a flat, bare faced, disgusting lie.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Michelle Obama now 4th favourite (329/1)

    I mean, I guess there's a chance Hillary gets assassinated. and then the US rips up the constitution. and then goes for a POTUS wifeswap arrangement.

    It's not completely impossible,,,
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/793554132665761792

    £350m a week...

    Which we won't get until we are fully out.
    So we in the NHS will get it in 2019?

    Goody gumdrops!
  • Right that's its.... Starbucks aggressive tax efficiency strategy didn't stop me occasionally sampling their crappy coffee...but they have really done it now...no red cups for Xmas because of trump.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/793554132665761792

    £350m a week...

    Which we won't get until we are fully out.
    Which we won't get even when we are out. As you know full well.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    RobD said:

    Jobabob said:

    MP_SE said:

    Jobabob said:

    Ms. Apocalypse, I shouldn't worry, this season it isn't mine either :p

    [I didn't start betting until a couple of years after I joined the site, and have strong memories of not understanding how the hell anything worked. 3.75 is just under 3/1].

    Tbh, I can easily see myself losing far too much money, at least if I got into betting right now. Maybe it's something to think about for the future....
    A good strategy is to bet AGAINST your favoured outcome, ideally at long odds!
    That is piss poor advice.

    If you are incapable of controlling your emotions you should not gamble significant sums of money.
    It generally works well for me. Makes me more realistic about prospects
    Also gives you a nice bonus if things don't go the way you wanted them to.
    Indeed so.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,888
    Roll up roll up get yer 2-1 Olney :D
  • Not sure if anyone has posted this but the BBC are reporting that the FBI has unexpectedly released 129 pages of documents relating to a 2001 investigation into Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich. Clinton's campaign not happy. FBI apparently not responding to BBC's request for a comment.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,987

    If someone says that Olney is evens for next leader, your response should be "I'll give you 2/1"!

    Yes. I reckon her chances of winning Richmond Park are about 40% and if she does win, her chances of becoming next LibDem leader are about 10% (She will be one of nine MPs and the only female with plenty of media attention.) That makes a 4% chance 24/1 against.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/793554132665761792

    £350m a week...

    Which we won't get until we are fully out.
    So we in the NHS will get it in 2019?

    Goody gumdrops!
    The Brexiteers' quadruple whammy.

    More borrowing.
    Rising prices.
    Greater unemployment.
    Reduced investment.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Not sure if anyone has posted this but the BBC are reporting that the FBI has unexpectedly released 129 pages of documents relating to a 2001 investigation into Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich. Clinton's campaign not happy. FBI apparently not responding to BBC's request for a comment.

    It's a FOIA request, well timed by whoever FOiA'd it.

    What's weird is the FBI account that is tweeting the info.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,888

    After having incredibly suspended their POTUS markets for the past three and a half days, Sporting's spreads finally re-appeared this evening.

    At their mid-point, they and 538.com are within 1-2 ECVs of one another as follows:

    Sporting:
    Clinton .......... 295 - 310
    Trump ........... 226 - 241

    538.com:
    Clinton......... 304
    Trump ......... 233

    Spreadex meanwhile only have 1 market up and are offering me a piss poor close price of 87 on my Hillary 250 ups which I sold at 91.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jobabob said:

    The Brexiteers' quadruple whammy.

    More borrowing.
    Rising prices.
    Greater unemployment.
    Reduced investment.

    But, you know, Sovereignty and that...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,833
    Pong said:

    Michelle Obama now 4th favourite (329/1)

    I mean, I guess there's a chance Hillary gets assassinated. and then the US rips up the constitution. and then goes for a POTUS wifeswap arrangement.

    It's not completely impossible,,,

    We need someone to open a market on who actually gets inaugurated in January!
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