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  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    May's Tories tag line should be "taking the worst policies from Labour and UKIP"...


    MAY: YOUR SMORGASBORG OF SHITE
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    valleyboy said:

    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.

    RIP. Always struck me as one of the good guys.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,228
    edited May 2017

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    I thought you were over the moon about getting your party back from the Cameron/Osborne mafia?
    I am pleased she is sorting Brexit and serious about controlling immigration.

    I am not pleased if she is tacking hard to the Left on economics.

    Edit: and I actually quite liked the 2015GE Tory manifesto, for the record.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    valleyboy said:

    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.

    Indeed.

    Didn't agree with him but I've no doubt his intentions were good.

    Sad day for his family. Condolences.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,228
    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    Ok.

    She won't.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    bobajobPB said:

    Hard luck BJO


    Yep, was rooting for Wednesday. Bad luck fella. Huddersfield cheated earlier in the season by playing a weakened team against Brum that probably sent Blackburn down, or could have relegated Forest. Not good to see them progress.
    Reading look more likely to progress, IMO.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    Ok.

    She won't.
    Huh? But Bob's mate said she would.

    I don't know what to believe anymore... :(
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,179
    valleyboy said:

    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.

    RIP
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,228
    RobD said:

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    Ok.

    She won't.
    Huh? But Bob's mate said she would.

    I don't know what to believe anymore... :(
    :wink:
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    LD manifesto out, and the papers still lead on Tory promises from a manifesto not out yet (is it?)

    Lib-Dems want to stop Brexit... What else is there to say about their manifesto?
    I wonder if Norman Lamb had become LibDem leader whether they would be on 20% in the polls.
    Maybe not 20% but probably better than they are now.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    RobD said:

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    Stop the presses! :D
    If you want a crazy unsubstantiated rumour, try this:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/may-intends-appoint-liam-fox-chancellor/
    I love the way that he starts with a slightly far-fetched rumour (Fox to be Chancellor), then moves on to "evidence" that Hammond might be out, to conclude that the original 'rumour' must be correct. Even though whilst the second is undoubtedly a necessary criteria for the first to happen, it is by no means a sufficient one!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    And the grief I got when I suggested Theresa May was a Butskellite.

    Who gave you grief?

    I don't remember that.
    It was one of the few threads I've written when I was taken aback by the hostile reception. Usually I have a pretty fair idea who's going to be moaning and why.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,376
    Typical tory response to possible weakness in their campaigning today is on the bbc website "Tories pledge further immigration curbs". They obviously feel safer with Bluekip line of "blame it on "johnny foreignor" and keep them out! Appealing to the lowest common denominator perhaps? When are they going to be taken to task on education and the NHS?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited May 2017
    Scott_P said:
    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Nah, leadership challenge from Priti in the autumn!
    400 MPs is tricky to keep a lot of restive backbenchers as lobby fodder, particularly if we have some prominent cabinet exits (both Phil Hammond and Boris look like their days are numbered.

    It is only a matter of time before the troops get mutinous.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954

    Scott_P said:
    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.
    Can't do anything about EU migration until we are out, unfortunately. Suspect visa rules will become uniform afterwards unless some sort of deal is made with the EU post exit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,974

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    RobD said:
    There was already a £1,000 per year charge for non-EU workers. It's being doubled, yes, but there was a pre-existing charge.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The charge is to go into a skills fund for Britons.

    It seems that she thinks we should actually train our own to do some of these jobs. Novel, granted.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    edited May 2017
    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    To the East? New Caledonia. :smiley:
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    France (New Caledonia and French Polynesia)?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Watching NI politicians on Newsnight. Mind blown.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954

    RobD said:
    There was already a £1,000 per year charge for non-EU workers. It's being doubled, yes, but there was a pre-existing charge.
    Yeah, it's not as if this is a new charge. And to describe it as a fine is a bit much.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,204

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    Turkey?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    RobD said:
    There was already a £1,000 per year charge for non-EU workers. It's being doubled, yes, but there was a pre-existing charge.
    Cunningly improving the UK's position in post Brexit trade negotiations? ;) Do a free trade deal and we'll cut the charge!
  • bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    alex. said:

    RobD said:
    There was already a £1,000 per year charge for non-EU workers. It's being doubled, yes, but there was a pre-existing charge.
    Cunningly improving the UK's position in post Brexit trade negotiations? ;) Do a free trade deal and we'll cut the charge!
    Taken from the EU's Brexit divorce bill.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    France (New Caledonia and French Polynesia)?
    What better way to reply to a pedantic point than with an even more pedantic one? :p
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    A likely undecided voter then.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    So, she's the Corbyn candidate. She would do well to vote against herself for the good of the nation.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited May 2017

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    France (New Caledonia and French Polynesia)?

    Nicosia 3223km, Bucharest 2093 km

    Don't let facts get in the way of ignorance
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    In fact, it's not even £1,000 per year, it's £1,000 for employing the migrant and then £1,000 every time their visa is renewed - and some visas last 5+ years.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    I think that she is Jezza like, and will need to be prised from post.

    The rebels will come from the right. They always do.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    I'm surprised she even manages to walk about unaided!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,204
    edited May 2017
    HO FUCKING HO

    In 2016 Paul Ryan said to colleagues 'I think Russia pays Trump'

    Full quote

    “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,”

    https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/864963916119629825
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    edited May 2017

    Typical tory response to possible weakness in their campaigning today is on the bbc website "Tories pledge further immigration curbs". They obviously feel safer with Bluekip line of "blame it on "johnny foreignor" and keep them out! Appealing to the lowest common denominator perhaps? When are they going to be taken to task on education and the NHS?

    First, while I don't care about immigration, most people clearly do. Maybe not to the extent the Tories as a whole generally care, but most people have concerns about the level. I don't support their policy on this, and given their past failures on it I don't know why this time they should be believed, but it will be more popular than it is disliked, no surprise there. Just as most of Labour's policies were popular. Though it is notable plenty of Tories will not be happy with even this policy.

    Secondly, as for being taken to task on the NHS, no one ever shuts up about how the NHS is in crisis, I have heard it my entire adult life, and frankly, I am inured to any bad news coming out of it, because having been told its in crisis my whole adult life, I struggle to work up the will to care. Is the coming crisis worse than the last one? How would I know?

    I don't know if my attitude on that is even remotely common among some people, but even if it is not the Tories are 'taken to task' on the NHS constantly - if they still get re-elected, either the public do not care, or they think the opposition would do no better, or they think the Tories are doing ok on it.

    Because that's the stone cold truth about a lot of issues - one side may say the other misled, but that's just it, they said it, they were able to rebut it, and if people still vote the other way despite being told the 'truth'? Well, the problem is really the voters then, at least partly.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    BBC:

    "She will reject a cap on overall care costs but say no family should see their assets depleted below £100,000, an increase on the current £23,250 figure."

  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    No the state is the problem.

    Let me tell you the golden rule, - The people with the gold make the rules!

    All the rules and regulations that the government comes out with don't 'constringe business' they disproportionally hold back new and small businesses, leaving the market to a smaller number of established and often inefficient firms that drive up prises.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,179

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    Cyprus?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Telegraph scoop - Tony Blair gave amnesty letter to PC Yvonne Fletcher suspect.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    @kle4 - have you heard there is only... checks calendar... 22 days to save the NHS?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    Scott_P said:

    hts://twitter.com/bbcalliehb/status/864964017302982656

    Labour, you should really only have one civil war at a time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,179

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    I think that she is Jezza like, and will need to be prised from post.

    The rebels will come from the right. They always do.
    Jezza came from the left!
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    Its Phillipa Thompson. Not sure what you were thinking of when you said Pippa!
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Do people with Type 1 diabetes just crumble when they enter their 60s then?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,229
    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    Looking at the paper headlines seems the social care package is received quite well.

    Speaking personally my wife and I do not need the winter fuel allowance and if it means we can retain £100,000 in our estate rather than £23,000 we consider it a fair deal.

    Speaking to our Canadian family and friends here in Vancouver they had no idea EU citizens could just come into the UK at will, unlike Canada that has very strict immigration rules. Furthermore on refugees, they only accept families and absolutely no single men on their own. They are not happy with the illegal migration taking place across the US - Canada border at present either.

    Indeed which Country anywhere, outside the EU, allows unrestricted movement into their Country.



  • bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    I think that she is Jezza like, and will need to be prised from post.

    The rebels will come from the right. They always do.
    Happy to offer you £20 at evens that May is gone by the Party Conference of 2020
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    In fact, it's not even £1,000 per year, it's £1,000 for employing the migrant and then £1,000 every time their visa is renewed - and some visas last 5+ years.

    What kind of salaries are these non-EEA people on? £7.50 an hour, zero hours contracts?

  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    chestnut said:

    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    So, she's the Corbyn candidate. She would do well to vote against herself for the good of the nation.
    As rabid an anti-Labourite as I am, I have to root for Pippa. We both joined the FCO 37 years ago and did our induction training together.
  • RobD said:

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    I'm surprised she even manages to walk about unaided!
    Happy to offer you the same bet as i offered Fox.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,286
    This is shaping up to be very popular.

    People will think losing Winter Fuel is peanuts if it enables a real material change to how much they have to fund social care.

    Moving cap from £23k to £100k is very big difference - bound to be very popular.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,930
    valleyboy said:

    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.

    RIP Probably the most successful and most popular First Minister there has been yet
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    What should be interesting is that given Labour are promising a spending splurge, and the LDs a more modest splurge, the Tory manifesto will surely contain more obvious 'negative' promises of cuts and the like. People claim they want honesty, but I've always doubted that when it comes to promising a land of free bread and subsidised honey for all, and with the Tories likely to win anyway I wonder how bold May will be in being realistic and even harsh if needed.

    On evidence to date, not very bold, except when parking tanks on opposing lawns, but we shall see.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    kle4 said:

    Labour, you should really only have one civil war at a time.

    A lesson they could learn from history, if only their expert on people who tried to fight a war on 2 fronts simultaneously wasn't suspended...
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.

    RIP Probably the most successful and most popular First Minister there has been yet
    Blocked by Blair as well.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    kle4 said:

    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    What should be interesting is that given Labour are promising a spending splurge, and the LDs a more modest splurge, the Tory manifesto will surely contain more obvious 'negative' promises of cuts and the like. People claim they want honesty, but I've always doubted that when it comes to promising a land of free bread and subsidised honey for all, and with the Tories likely to win anyway I wonder how bold May will be in being realistic and even harsh if needed.

    On evidence to date, not very bold, except when parking tanks on opposing lawns, but we shall see.
    Sounds like the Tory one is moving the money around. So net zero impact in terms of spending. Telegraph are reporting deficit elimination by middle of 2020s, which would mean we'd have been in deficit for 17 years. Really hope that is managing expectations.
  • BigRich said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    No the state is the problem.

    Let me tell you the golden rule, - The people with the gold make the rules!

    All the rules and regulations that the government comes out with don't 'constringe business' they disproportionally hold back new and small businesses, leaving the market to a smaller number of established and often inefficient firms that drive up prises.
    Yes in reality that is often what happens-but that doesn't mean the state NEVER gets it right.

    But as i have repeatedly said -i expect to be underwhelmed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    RobD said:

    @kle4 - have you heard there is only... checks calendar... 22 days to save the NHS?

    Well that's far less critical than some previous ones then, we can relax.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Scott_P said:
    Every campaign in every elections makes some mistakes and misses some oppertunateys, but this seems a totally unforced and unneeded error at this stage.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    edited May 2017
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    @kle4 - have you heard there is only... checks calendar... 22 days to save the NHS?

    Well that's far less critical than some previous ones then, we can relax.
    I enjoy opening my NHS in Crisis advent calendar each morning. :p
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    What should be interesting is that given Labour are promising a spending splurge, and the LDs a more modest splurge, the Tory manifesto will surely contain more obvious 'negative' promises of cuts and the like. People claim they want honesty, but I've always doubted that when it comes to promising a land of free bread and subsidised honey for all, and with the Tories likely to win anyway I wonder how bold May will be in being realistic and even harsh if needed.

    On evidence to date, not very bold, except when parking tanks on opposing lawns, but we shall see.
    Sounds like the Tory one is moving the money around. So net zero impact in terms of spending. Telegraph are reporting deficit elimination by middle of 2020s, which would mean we'd have been in deficit for 17 years. Really hope that is managing expectations.
    LDs promising to eliminate deficit in 'day to day spending' by 2020, Labour by 2022.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,974
    MTimT said:

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    France (New Caledonia and French Polynesia)?
    Nicosia 3223km, Bucharest 2093 km

    Don't let facts get in the way of ignorance
    The Canary Islands are even further away but that's not the point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,930

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    That will then be the time when the door is finally opened for Labour, a lot of the current Tory vote is a May vote not a Tory vote as such (indeed the same was true for Cameron) once May goes if Labour have finally got rid of Corbynism they should be able to finally win another general election
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    I think that she is Jezza like, and will need to be prised from post.

    The rebels will come from the right. They always do.
    Happy to offer you £20 at evens that May is gone by the Party Conference of 2020
    Which side of the bet?

    I think that she will fight off unrest in the Brownite manner, thereby denuding her cabinet of talent but remaining in office.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    Scott_P said:

    kle4 said:

    Labour, you should really only have one civil war at a time.

    A lesson they could learn from history, if only their expert on people who tried to fight a war on 2 fronts simultaneously wasn't suspended...
    +1
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    HO FUCKING HO

    In 2016 Paul Ryan said to colleagues 'I think Russia pays Trump'

    Full quote

    “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,”

    https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/864963916119629825

    A few days ago I said that Ryan there had a fire potentially being lit under his arse. A week ago that all bets were off on next POTUS.

    This story doesn't do justice to what Ryan has acknowledged, and its known he acknowledged about Russian state links to Trump.

    Whats worse, whats about to come forward could change the speed and depth of things by a multiplying factor.

    This is seriously messed up stuff over there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    What should be interesting is that given Labour are promising a spending splurge, and the LDs a more modest splurge, the Tory manifesto will surely contain more obvious 'negative' promises of cuts and the like. People claim they want honesty, but I've always doubted that when it comes to promising a land of free bread and subsidised honey for all, and with the Tories likely to win anyway I wonder how bold May will be in being realistic and even harsh if needed.

    On evidence to date, not very bold, except when parking tanks on opposing lawns, but we shall see.
    Sounds like the Tory one is moving the money around. So net zero impact in terms of spending. Telegraph are reporting deficit elimination by middle of 2020s, which would mean we'd have been in deficit for 17 years. Really hope that is managing expectations.
    LDs promising to eliminate deficit in 'day to day spending' by 2020, Labour by 2022.
    I suspect the Tory one is actual deficit. I think we're already close to eliminating the structural deficit.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    valleyboy said:

    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    Its Phillipa Thompson. Not sure what you were thinking of when you said Pippa!
    She used to go by Pippa Hadley.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    BigRich said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    No the state is the problem.

    Let me tell you the golden rule, - The people with the gold make the rules!

    All the rules and regulations that the government comes out with don't 'constringe business' they disproportionally hold back new and small businesses, leaving the market to a smaller number of established and often inefficient firms that drive up prises.
    Yes in reality that is often what happens-but that doesn't mean the state NEVER gets it right.

    But as i have repeatedly said -i expect to be underwhelmed.
    A stopped clock is correct twice a day,

    I expect to be horrified, this will be my first election in 20 years, where I cant bring myself to donate to the party.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,930
    alex. said:

    HYUFD said:

    valleyboy said:

    Some of you might be interested to hear that Rhodri Morgan, former first minister and Labour leader in Wales has died. Condolences to his family.

    RIP Probably the most successful and most popular First Minister there has been yet
    Blocked by Blair as well.
    Though like Livingstone Blair eventually had to take him back
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    May has decided to well and truly test the support of the old: reports suggest that the pension Triple Lock is going
  • Do people with Type 1 diabetes just crumble when they enter their 60s then?

    No but my wife is a Diabetes specialist ( and i do occasionally listen to what she says :)) and also based on what May herself says, working into her mid /late 60's would be especially difficult for her.
    And based on other conversations i have had i am reasonably confident of my prediction that by around 2019 she will be heading for the exit.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    Looking at the paper headlines seems the social care package is received quite well.

    Speaking personally my wife and I do not need the winter fuel allowance and if it means we can retain £100,000 in our estate rather than £23,000 we consider it a fair deal.

    Speaking to our Canadian family and friends here in Vancouver they had no idea EU citizens could just come into the UK at will, unlike Canada that has very strict immigration rules. Furthermore on refugees, they only accept families and absolutely no single men on their own. They are not happy with the illegal migration taking place across the US - Canada border at present either.

    Indeed which Country anywhere, outside the EU, allows unrestricted movement into their Country.



    Australians and New Zealanders have freedom to move to each others countries. Indeed there are now significant Maori groups in most Australian cities.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    RobD said:

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    Ok.

    She won't.
    Huh? But Bob's mate said she would.

    I don't know what to believe anymore... :(
    :wink:
    Alright! I was just making conversation, I didn't claim to agree with the contention or that the source was informed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564

    May has decided to well and truly test the support of the old: reports suggest that the pension Triple Lock is going

    I think everyone saw this one coming - Labour and the LDs certainly did with their promises to retain it.

    It sounds like a good idea, and if ever there was a time the political cost could be borne it is now. Let us see how the oldies respond - just a bit of a recovery for Labour and LDs could save many seats.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MikeL said:

    This is shaping up to be very popular.

    People will think losing Winter Fuel is peanuts if it enables a real material change to how much they have to fund social care.

    Moving cap from £23k to £100k is very big difference - bound to be very popular.

    Winter Fuel Payments and free TV licences for millionaires is daft.

    I recall working on some DWP funded research back in 2014 and having reasonably well off old folk asking me why they were being given these things for nothing when the country was supposedly short of money.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    It is worth noting that non-EU NHS workers have to pay the NHS levy, so basically the worker ends up paying their own employer for their healthcare.

    People who work in the diplomatic service are exempt.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,229

    MikeL said:

    Mail spinning it all very positively for May - main headline:

    "You won't have to sell home to pay for your care"

    And that Winter Fuel cut is to fund the above.

    Other papers going with same narrative - it's as if May has written the headlines herself.

    Looking at the paper headlines seems the social care package is received quite well.

    Speaking personally my wife and I do not need the winter fuel allowance and if it means we can retain £100,000 in our estate rather than £23,000 we consider it a fair deal.

    Speaking to our Canadian family and friends here in Vancouver they had no idea EU citizens could just come into the UK at will, unlike Canada that has very strict immigration rules. Furthermore on refugees, they only accept families and absolutely no single men on their own. They are not happy with the illegal migration taking place across the US - Canada border at present either.

    Indeed which Country anywhere, outside the EU, allows unrestricted movement into their Country.



    Australians and New Zealanders have freedom to move to each others countries. Indeed there are now significant Maori groups in most Australian cities.
    Yes - agreed - my son who is a Kiwi now resident in Canada can move freely into Australia but that is two Commonwealth neighbours whereas the EU involves 27/28 very different Countries and cultures
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Can anyone explain why the Tory social care reform isn't progressive?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    MTimT said:

    valleyboy said:

    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    Its Phillipa Thompson. Not sure what you were thinking of when you said Pippa!
    She used to go by Pippa Hadley.
    Checked my messages. You are right, she signs off Philippa these days.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MTimT said:

    So, sod off Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians with your shared language, norms, beliefs and values and your Commonwealth ties, meanwhile let's have another two years of unfettered, low-skilled immigration from Romania and beyond.

    Pedantic point: where in the EU is beyond Romania? Don't let facts get in the way of an anti-European rant.
    France (New Caledonia and French Polynesia)?
    Nicosia 3223km, Bucharest 2093 km

    Don't let facts get in the way of ignorance
    The Canary Islands are even further away but that's not the point.
    As I recall, the Canaries are Spanish but not in the EU.

    I work with some Romanians. Lovely people btw.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,813

    May has decided to well and truly test the support of the old: reports suggest that the pension Triple Lock is going

    Good I agree with at least one Tory policy.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    chestnut said:

    The charge is to go into a skills fund for Britons.

    It seems that she thinks we should actually train our own to do some of these jobs. Novel, granted.

    Illiberal and anti-business, granted.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    kle4 said:

    Typical tory response to possible weakness in their campaigning today is on the bbc website "Tories pledge further immigration curbs". They obviously feel safer with Bluekip line of "blame it on "johnny foreignor" and keep them out! Appealing to the lowest common denominator perhaps? When are they going to be taken to task on education and the NHS?

    First, while I don't care about immigration, most people clearly do. Maybe not to the extent the Tories as a whole generally care, but most people have concerns about the level. I don't support their policy on this, and given their past failures on it I don't know why this time they should be believed, but it will be more popular than it is disliked, no surprise there. Just as most of Labour's policies were popular. Though it is notable plenty of Tories will not be happy with even this policy.

    Secondly, as for being taken to task on the NHS, no one ever shuts up about how the NHS is in crisis, I have heard it my entire adult life, and frankly, I am inured to any bad news coming out of it, because having been told its in crisis my whole adult life, I struggle to work up the will to care. Is the coming crisis worse than the last one? How would I know?

    I don't know if my attitude on that is even remotely common among some people, but even if it is not the Tories are 'taken to task' on the NHS constantly - if they still get re-elected, either the public do not care, or they think the opposition would do no better, or they think the Tories are doing ok on it.

    Because that's the stone cold truth about a lot of issues - one side may say the other misled, but that's just it, they said it, they were able to rebut it, and if people still vote the other way despite being told the 'truth'? Well, the problem is really the voters then, at least partly.
    Kle4, great post, I agree with you, but I think you have put it much better than I could.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @KatyTurNBC: McCarthy says Putin pays Trump, Ryan silences him and swears those present to secrecy. And this is ON TAPE says WAPO
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    MTimT said:

    valleyboy said:

    MTimT said:

    LOL. Posted today on Pippa Thompson's FB page:

    "So pleased to receive a letter from the Prime Minister today asking me to vote for her candidate, Stephen Crabb."

    She is the Labour candidate standing against Crabb.

    Its Phillipa Thompson. Not sure what you were thinking of when you said Pippa!
    She used to go by Pippa Hadley.
    Yes, you knew her a long time before me. I have only been acquainted with her since 2015 and have known her as Philippa. Thought you were confusing her with s more famous Pippa.
    Anyway, Philippa's working hard down here although clearly she has an uphill task against a weakened Tory.
  • bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042

    bobajobPB said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    May is a (nanny) Statist Tory. She genuinely believes that the State is likely to be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. It's Tory Jim, but not as we know it.
    The state is part of the solution because the only way you will break up the dominant market players is through Govt action.

    A true market economy needs the state to deal with market abuse-Tories should be actively seeking the state to deal with these abuses.

    SME's are the drivers of innovation job creation and growth-not big business.
    There is a role for the State in setting the rules and the dimensions of the playing field. But she wants to go a lot further than that. I think she is suspicious of freedom and cautious about innovation. Things can always be worse.
    May is a dullard, pure and simple. She wants a Britain cloyed by mediocrity, piousness and conformity. She is a curtain-twitching meddler with no time for creativity, metropolitan attitudes or unorthodox lives.
    The interesting speculation is who will lead the first attempted defenestration, and on what issue.

    She won't be defenestered whilst she's riding high in the polls, and sorting Brexit.

    But, the Party will want her gone very soon after GE2022 if this is her philosophical approach.
    Had a chat last night with someone who was utterly convinced she will quit well before that. Reckons she'll serve three years, tops, then resign.
    100% agreed and have had a similar conversation with local candidate.

    She is 61 in October and her type 1 diabetes will catch up with her.
    2019- walks after Brexit -"time for someone else to lead us to sunny uplands etc"
    Sounds like the same bloke!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    bobajobPB said:

    chestnut said:

    The charge is to go into a skills fund for Britons.

    It seems that she thinks we should actually train our own to do some of these jobs. Novel, granted.

    Illiberal and anti-business, granted.
    Charging for visas is illiberal? Agree it is anti-business, but it isn't as if the UK is the only country charging. Getting a H1B in the US is more expensive for the employer.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,229
    chestnut said:

    MikeL said:

    This is shaping up to be very popular.

    People will think losing Winter Fuel is peanuts if it enables a real material change to how much they have to fund social care.

    Moving cap from £23k to £100k is very big difference - bound to be very popular.

    Winter Fuel Payments and free TV licences for millionaires is daft.

    I recall working on some DWP funded research back in 2014 and having reasonably well off old folk asking me why they were being given these things for nothing when the country was supposedly short of money.
    So are free bus passes for millionaires
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,954
    Scott_P said:

    @KatyTurNBC: McCarthy says Putin pays Trump, Ryan silences him and swears those present to secrecy. And this is ON TAPE says WAPO

    If they said it, it must be true!
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