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edited December 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Nick Robinson says the “very widespread expectation in Westminster is that Damian Green will resign in the next few days”

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    First

    Maybe we’ll get a reshuffle?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    FPT
    RochdalePioneers said:

    ydoethur said:

    I have two sheds.

    Is your real name Arthur Jackson... (obscure Python joke...)
    If you Cleese, I am a Chap, man. I intend to be Idle all afternoon as my fence Palin disappears beneath the snow, to keep up with the Jones.

    OK, with Gilliam I admit defeat!
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    stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    Clear out the deadwood. The more members of the old gang quit in the first year of this five year parliament, the more space will be freed up for younger more able up and coming people. There is nothing indispensable or remarkable about Damien Green. He is a mediocrity.
    None of this will be remembered in 2022.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    TSE I am disappointed.

    You've no pun to say you're all Green on next out.

    More seriously, I can't imagine Davis will resign if his is indeed the killer punch. If the disgraceful behaviour of the police had been it, that might have been different.

    Which is a shame because he's not doing well as Brexit Secretary and Gove for all I dislike the man would surely do better.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    Are we not all kinda bored of this stuff now? I think Green has been strengthened by the absurd tactics of former cops like Quick which engendered some sympathy and a lot of indignation. I don't think the Kate Maltby allegations were ever particularly serious and she in fairness seemed to have no desire to make much of them.

    I think May will let this simmer unless something a lot more damaging comes out. She needs Green's support and reshuffles in this government seem to be even more difficult than they were in the Coalition.

    I would not be tempted to bet on Green being next out even at 3/1, let alone the current odds.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    ydoethur said:

    TSE I am disappointed.

    You've no pun to say you're all Green on next out.

    More seriously, I can't imagine Davis will resign if his is indeed the killer punch. If the disgraceful behaviour of the police had been it, that might have been different.

    Which is a shame because he's not doing well as Brexit Secretary and Gove for all I dislike the man would surely do better.

    If Davis does go then Gove has to be the obvious replacement - at least changing between phases of talks would be better than changing mid-phase.

    Otherwise, Gove would make a worthy FSoS, though it would be a shame to lose him from DEFRA.
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    tim80tim80 Posts: 99
    Would be very surprising if Davis resigned over this. The previous rumours about this related to Green being sacked on the basis of then known evidence. If new evidence has emerged that’s a different matter. If one reads the articles from the time, it is very clear that Davis was not taken a blanket pro-Green position.

    As for whether Green is replace, who knows. There doesn’t have to be a Firet Secretary. May appointed him because she trusts him and respects his competence. If she doesn’t have someone else ready to take the role (or does, but that person is currently fulfilling an alternative job, eg Rudd) she is under no compulsion to appoint one.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    tim80 said:

    Would be very surprising if Davis resigned over this. The previous rumours about this related to Green being sacked on the basis of then known evidence. If new evidence has emerged that’s a different matter. If one reads the articles from the time, it is very clear that Davis was not taken a blanket pro-Green position.

    As for whether Green is replace, who knows. There doesn’t have to be a Firet Secretary. May appointed him because she trusts him and respects his competence. If she doesn’t have someone else ready to take the role (or does, but that person is currently fulfilling an alternative job, eg Rudd) she is under no compulsion to appoint one.

    If she really is unenthusiastic about Hammond, the best reason to appoint a First Sec is to make sure he is not the de facto Deputy PM.

    But they seem to have been getting on pretty well recently.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648

    How many ether can they sell it for?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648

    Pretty good effort for a cat.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648

    My cat is unimpressed by the snow, and has retired to the airing cupboard. I am in agreement, though favour sofa and football. I am a little jaded after our works Christmas do.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648

    Pretty good effort for a cat.
    Dare I make an obscene joke about a certain prominent American personage and double pussy?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,335
    tim80 said:

    Would be very surprising if Davis resigned over this. The previous rumours about this related to Green being sacked on the basis of then known evidence. If new evidence has emerged that’s a different matter. If one reads the articles from the time, it is very clear that Davis was not taken a blanket pro-Green position.

    As for whether Green is replace, who knows. There doesn’t have to be a Firet Secretary. May appointed him because she trusts him and respects his competence. If she doesn’t have someone else ready to take the role (or does, but that person is currently fulfilling an alternative job, eg Rudd) she is under no compulsion to appoint one.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised. The gravity (if any) of the offence isn't really the issue, rather his absolute denials of anything happening, and as it's not the police/porn thing there is no principled reason for his clinging on.
    In addition, it's felt he's in danger of being forced out anyway, choosing the time of his departure has the benefit os hanging on to some semblance of dignity.

    Last, and not least, May has a breathing space in which she can easily weather his departure. She's wrong-footed many of her critics with the last minute stage 1 deal, both internal and external, and has as good a chance now as she's likely to get of promoting someone who is in her camp.

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,335
    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648


    Norwegian Forest Cats do not appear to be picky in their choice of partners....
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    RobD said:

    First

    Maybe we’ll get a reshuffle?

    clearout needed ,why shuffle the current bunch of no use ,sleazebags
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648


    Norwegian Forest Cats do not appear to be picky in their choice of partners....
    Yeah, she looks rather frigid...
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    tim80 said:

    Would be very surprising if Davis resigned over this. The previous rumours about this related to Green being sacked on the basis of then known evidence. If new evidence has emerged that’s a different matter. If one reads the articles from the time, it is very clear that Davis was not taken a blanket pro-Green position.

    As for whether Green is replace, who knows. There doesn’t have to be a Firet Secretary. May appointed him because she trusts him and respects his competence. If she doesn’t have someone else ready to take the role (or does, but that person is currently fulfilling an alternative job, eg Rudd) she is under no compulsion to appoint one.

    Davis has no principles, he will hang on for grim death even though he is a half witted dullard
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    Essexit said:

    ydoethur said:

    TSE I am disappointed.

    You've no pun to say you're all Green on next out.

    More seriously, I can't imagine Davis will resign if his is indeed the killer punch. If the disgraceful behaviour of the police had been it, that might have been different.

    Which is a shame because he's not doing well as Brexit Secretary and Gove for all I dislike the man would surely do better.

    If Davis does go then Gove has to be the obvious replacement - at least changing between phases of talks would be better than changing mid-phase.

    Otherwise, Gove would make a worthy FSoS, though it would be a shame to lose him from DEFRA.
    Gove is a moronic halfwit and a backstabber to boot
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    Hammond is best of a bad bunch.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    Hang in there Green!
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,040
    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    malcolmg said:

    Essexit said:

    ydoethur said:

    TSE I am disappointed.

    You've no pun to say you're all Green on next out.

    More seriously, I can't imagine Davis will resign if his is indeed the killer punch. If the disgraceful behaviour of the police had been it, that might have been different.

    Which is a shame because he's not doing well as Brexit Secretary and Gove for all I dislike the man would surely do better.

    If Davis does go then Gove has to be the obvious replacement - at least changing between phases of talks would be better than changing mid-phase.

    Otherwise, Gove would make a worthy FSoS, though it would be a shame to lose him from DEFRA.
    Gove is a moronic halfwit and a backstabber to boot
    Ah Malcolm, we have missed your genial good humour!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,335
    malcolmg said:

    Can anyone name a cabinet member that is half talented and not a lying toerag.

    Well I'm not holding my breath for you to do so, malcolm.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    edited December 2017
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    Surely it is the renamed post the Jim Hacker held in Yes Minister, Minister for Administrative Affairs?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    May does the strategic vision stuff? Right....What could go wrong with that?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,040
    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyone who wants cheering up:

    https://www.twitter.com/plumewillfixit/status/939841602834587648


    Norwegian Forest Cats do not appear to be picky in their choice of partners....
    There’s an old rugby song, from back in the day, which concerned camels and the sphinx. Reminded me!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    foxinsoxuk said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    Surely it is the renamed post the Jim Hacker held in Yes Minister, Minister for Administrative Affairs?
    Probably just as well his department is not called that.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    The government has a strategic vision????
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    edited December 2017
    DavidL said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    Surely it is the renamed post the Jim Hacker held in Yes Minister, Minister for Administrative Affairs?
    Probably just as well his department is not called that.
    Could be Minister for Media Affairs. That would be worse!
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.

    This government has a focus on domestic day to day stuff?

    Do you have any evidence for that rather remarkable claim?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    The government has a strategic vision????
    That was my thought but in fairness TSE only said that May was freed up to focus on one.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    edited December 2017
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably has the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    He doesn't, he just has a certain way of positing his opinions
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably has the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    I think I see a flaw in that plan. Davis make a success of something...It's just not going to fly.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    The government has a strategic vision????
    So far it is 'Not do what Cameron would do'
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    The government has a strategic vision????
    So far it is 'Not do what Cameron would do'
    TBF, there could be worse strategic visions than that.

    *Grabs tinfoil hat and ducks*
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably has the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    I think I see a flaw in that plan. Davis make a success of something...It's just not going to fly.
    Well we are now through Phase 1 and onto Phase 2 thanks to May and Davis
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    Everton are just not going to score are they?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    Who isn't?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    edited December 2017
    The gravel board at the bottom of my fence has now disappeared. The depth is over nine inches even where the wind can get at it.

    It's a long, long time since I've seen this much snow in a single day (if I ever have).
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    Who isn't?
    Eric Pickles?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    ydoethur said:

    The gravel board at the bottom of my fence has now disappeared. The depth is over nine inches even where the wind can get at it.

    It's a long, long time since I've seen this much snow in a single day (if I ever have).

    Southerners.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    From personal experience, the membership will not countenance a Remainer until we are out.

    After that, things will be different.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    The government has a strategic vision????
    Coping with debt democracy ?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    Who isn't?
    Eric Pickles?
    This is worth watching:

    https://youtu.be/_M51dfNwJeY
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    RoyalBlue said:

    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    From personal experience, the membership will not countenance a Remainer until we are out.

    After that, things will be different.
    Do you think they would accept staying in the single market and customs union indefinitely as the price of getting out?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Surprisingly little snow here. Suspect the fall must be more southerly than expected.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2017
    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    Errhhhh....raises hand slowly....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    If Davis resigns because Green has gone, how is that simultaneous?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    edited December 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2017
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
    Mmmmmh b) sounds like a good idea!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Surprisingly little snow here. Suspect the fall must be more southerly than expected.

    More westerly I think. Although London and some other unimportant places are not in the west.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    IanB2 said:

    If Davis resigns because Green has gone, how is that simultaneous?

    You'd need to Paxman him to settle it. "Did you threaten to resign?"
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
    Mmmmmh b) sounds like a good idea!
    With garlic bread or without sir?

    (Sorry, I'm snowed in, I can't deliver your order.)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    edited December 2017
    70% of Tory members agree the UK government negotiators were right to do a deal with EU Commission negotiators this week
    https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/12/our-snap-survey-seven-in-ten-party-members-think-may-was-right-to-agree-last-weeks-brexit-talksdeal.html
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    RoyalBlue said:

    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    From personal experience, the membership will not countenance a Remainer until we are out.

    After that, things will be different.
    Though given the transition period that means no Remainer until 2021 at the earliest
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,938
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Just popping on to say...ROONEY!!!!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    She is now the most senior Remainer alongside Hammond in the Cabinet and less repellent to members and voters than he is
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
    Mmmmmh b) sounds like a good idea!
    With garlic bread or without sir?

    (Sorry, I'm snowed in, I can't deliver your order.)
    https://youtu.be/0APKUbbLPmc
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    IanB2 said:

    If Davis resigns because Green has gone, how is that simultaneous?

    The dead heat rules.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    RoyalBlue said:

    ydoethur said:

    maaarsh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Damian Green resigns rather than being sacked David Davis is the likely new Deputy PM

    How do you know all this stuff?
    As he is the obvious choice, it ties him even more to May and Brexit. It also makes Davis the likely successor to May as PM and Tory leader if a deal is finally completed
    Not sure! Unless the idea is keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
    Of course it is, Davis probably had the most MPs backing him of any potential replacement for May (including Grant Shapps who would orchestrate any no confidence vote in May) so if May makes him Deputy PM as well as Brexit Secretary Davis knows his chances of succeeding May rest on making a success of her government and Brexit
    That sounds like coded advice to lay Davis...
    No, I think the most likely final 2 picked by MPs to put to the membership will be Davis and Rudd and Davis will then win
    Would remain MPs really coalesce around a candidate so obviously repellent to the membership as her?
    Would Rudd be particularly repellent to the membership?

    I know she's a Remainer but she's hardly Soubry or Clarke. Even if compared to Clarke she is also a lightweight.
    From personal experience, the membership will not countenance a Remainer until we are out.

    After that, things will be different.
    I am sorry that you were rejected...?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    If Davis resigns because Green has gone, how is that simultaneous?

    The dead heat rules.
    Well that really helps
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,938
    edited December 2017
    1-1. Even game... ;) ... :)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    If Davis resigns because Green has gone, how is that simultaneous?

    The dead heat rules.
    Well that really helps
    Ladbrokes' rules state 'Dead heat if more than one leave on the same day' so only part of your stake is a winner.

    So if two cabinet ministers resign on the same day only half your stake wins, if three cabinet ministers resign on the same day, only a third of your stake is a winner, so on and so forth.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    Errhhhh....raises hand slowly....
    Wow, it worked!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Snigger. Never mind you get to laugh when Man City get going...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    May is winning friends.
    https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/939871866730237953
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
    Mmmmmh b) sounds like a good idea!
    With garlic bread or without sir?

    (Sorry, I'm snowed in, I can't deliver your order.)
    Youtube
    I'll take that as a 'no' :lol:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    after several weeks of “super Sunday” being the equivalent of a Ratners special sale, today doesn’t actually fall foul of the trade descriptions act.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,215
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IanB2 said:

    If Davis resigns because Green has gone, how is that simultaneous?

    The dead heat rules.
    Well that really helps
    Ladbrokes' rules state 'Dead heat if more than one leave on the same day' so only part of your stake is a winner.

    So if two cabinet ministers resign on the same day only half your stake wins, if three cabinet ministers resign on the same day, only a third of your stake is a winner, so on and so forth.
    Perfect ,thank you

    Best advice to Davis is to sleep on it
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
    Mmmmmh b) sounds like a good idea!
    With garlic bread or without sir?

    (Sorry, I'm snowed in, I can't deliver your order.)
    https://youtu.be/0APKUbbLPmc
    https://youtu.be/ZM2ozCBJ5wY
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,919
    Cyclefree said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone know what Damian Green actually does? As Minister for the Cabinet Office he presumably has some sort of coordinating role for Cabinet Committees and the like. Is that it? Minister for the Cabinet Office has until recently been a relatively minor job but it has not been held by a DPM before.

    The story is that Damian Green focuses on the domestic/day to day stuff freeing up Mrs May to focus on Brexit and the strategic vision stuff.
    The government has a strategic vision????
    No need for the 'a', Ms Cyclefree. The government has a positive surfeit of strategic vision. Its cup overflows with the stuff.

    We are fortunate, indeed, to enjoy such competent government.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Everton are just not going to score are they?

    I hate you.
    Did they

    A) score
    B )order a mega Hawaiian pizza with extra pineapple
    C) compare the weather to George Osborne's personality?
    Mmmmmh b) sounds like a good idea!
    With garlic bread or without sir?

    (Sorry, I'm snowed in, I can't deliver your order.)
    https://youtu.be/0APKUbbLPmc
    youtu.be/ZM2ozCBJ5wY
    Those John smiths adverts were genius. My favourite was the cupboard monsters...

    Paul Zerdin also does a funny spin on that advert. I can’t find a clip on YouTube.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited December 2017
    I notice R5 has recently been advertising themselves as the fastest place to get the latest football scores, including a claim that they are faster than any apps you can get....as Donald Trump might say FAKE NEWS.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,905
    HYUFD said:

    70% of Tory members agree the UK government negotiators were right to do a deal with EU Commission negotiators this week
    https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/12/our-snap-survey-seven-in-ten-party-members-think-may-was-right-to-agree-last-weeks-brexit-talksdeal.html

    That’s a big vote of confidence for TM and should strengthen the nerve of soft brexiteers.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    "City are dominant, United look clueless"

    Thanks Robbie!
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,905
    I thought this post on Conservative Home made some interesting points about what the Tories can learn from momentum:

    https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/12/nick-denys-momentum-is-a-free-market-success-story-the-conservatives-are-an-outdated-closed-shop.html

    Where I am a bit envious of Tories is that they have a webpage like ConservativeHome.
    I don’t feel Labor List is quite the equivalent - but perhaps others can correct me?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,621
    I thought Davis had threatened to quit if Green were forced to resign over the porn stuff, thus leaving an opt out if Green goes as a result of other allegations?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    Lukaku looking worth every penny of the £75 we spent on him. It was £75 wasn’t it?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    DavidL said:

    Lukaku looking worth every penny of the £75 we spent on him. It was £75 wasn’t it?

    You could have got 2 Mo Salahs for that price.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    And after more than twelve hours - still snowing.

    My planter has now been covered.

    I am thinking the bin lorry won't be here tomorrow.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    edited December 2017
    ydoethur said:

    And after more than twelve hours - still snowing.

    My planter has now been covered.

    I am thinking the bin lorry won't be here tomorrow.

    My friend says she got 8 inches up her end since last night, she says its hard to walk now.

    I hope she's talking about the snow.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. Doethur, hopefully it'll melt relatively quickly, without flooding.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    On Topic A few days.

    Does it really take that long to type a resignation letter with one hand!!
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    And after more than twelve hours - still snowing.

    My planter has now been covered.

    I am thinking the bin lorry won't be here tomorrow.

    My friend says she got 8 inches up her end since last night, she says its hard to walk now.

    I hope she's talking about the snow.
    Finbarr Saunders is alive and well I see.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    And after more than twelve hours - still snowing.

    My planter has now been covered.

    I am thinking the bin lorry won't be here tomorrow.

    My friend says she got 8 inches up her end since last night, she says its hard to walk now.

    I hope she's talking about the snow.
    TMI, Mr Eagles...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,108
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Doethur, hopefully it'll melt relatively quickly, without flooding.

    Temperatures don't go above freezing until Wednesday according to the forecast.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Lukaku looking worth every penny of the £75 we spent on him. It was £75 wasn’t it?

    You could have got 2 Mo Salahs for that price.
    One would have been enough. Oh FFS Lukaku.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Lukaku looking worth every penny of the £75 we spent on him. It was £75 wasn’t it?

    You could have got 2 Mo Salahs for that price.
    One would have been enough. Oh FFS Lukaku.
    Lukaku's a rich man's Christian Benteke.

    He always seemed overrated whenever I saw him playing for Everton.

    Look on the bright side, at least you're not managed by the Chelsea manager who sold Mo Salah and Kevin De Bruyne.

    Just imagine a Chelsea attack with Hazard, Salah, and De Bruyne on current form.
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