Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Young voters are much more opposed to blue passports being bro

2456

Comments

  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548



    Thomas Mair, the insane murderer/ political freedom fighting martyr, delete as appropriate. Several on here would delete the former option!

    Who?
  • Andrew said:

    Alistair said:

    Bitcoin is indeed undergoing a bit of a correction today

    18000 > 11500 USD so far

    Same happened end 2013 - zoomed up from 200>1200 in about two months, then collapsed to half that.

    Doesn't exactly make it appealing as a currency.
    More importantly, they are 8 hours behind on transactions.

    Which is the "ticker failure" that really screwed people in the Wall St crash
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 3,866
    edited December 2017
    I'm not particularly fussed by the colour of the new UK passport, but please don't let it be as large and rigid as the old one, which never seemed to fit properly in a pocket.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952
    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    Merry Christmas everyone.

    I want to show goodwill to all men and women, especially on PB which has given me a lot of pleasure and amusement this year as well as a few quid in the bank. I therefore refuse to respond to Alastair's provocations. I have met him. He is a genuinely nice chap.

    This is not the season for bickering.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952

    I've applied for my Citizen of the World passport. It's really easy; you apply for it nowhere.

    Are there any borders where you can show it at though?
  • calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    "Top Gainers"

    [Blank]
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981


    Thomas Mair, the insane murderer/ political freedom fighting martyr, delete as appropriate. Several on here would delete the former option!

    How about a rainbow passport? Just to upset the headbangers.

    Who remembers in the days of hijacking airliners, in the absence of Americans or Israelis on the plane, possession of a blue UK passport was potentially dangerous? Much easier to hide behind the anonymity of a ubiquitous EU passport.

    There is patently obviously nobody posting here who would "delete the former option" and you make yourself look exceptionally stupid by claiming that there are. But if there are, what are you doing here? Why not fuck off to somewhere less horrible? I am sure there was much of value in your 322 posts and we would be the poorer for your departure, but what's in it for you?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835

    I'm not particularly fussed by the colour of the new UK passport, but please don't let it be as large and rigid as the old one, which never seemed to fit properly in a pocket.

    Can't be fortunately. Size and shape are internatioally agreed to fit in those machines. Outwith the control of UK or EU!
  • dixiedean said:

    I'm not particularly fussed by the colour of the new UK passport, but please don't let it be as large and rigid as the old one, which never seemed to fit properly in a pocket.

    Can't be fortunately. Size and shape are internatioally agreed to fit in those machines. Outwith the control of UK or EU!
    That's a relief!
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    I've applied for my Citizen of the World passport. It's really easy; you apply for it nowhere.

    Are there any borders where you can show it at though?
    Borders? Where we're going we don't need borders.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    My passport expires in August 2019. Will I get a red one until 2029 ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    surbiton said:

    My passport expires in August 2019. Will I get a red one until 2029 ?

    You can renew it earlier if you are really bothered about it ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Andrew said:

    Alistair said:

    Bitcoin is indeed undergoing a bit of a correction today

    18000 > 11500 USD so far

    Same happened end 2013 - zoomed up from 200>1200 in about two months, then collapsed to half that.

    Doesn't exactly make it appealing as a currency.
    More importantly, they are 8 hours behind on transactions.

    Which is the "ticker failure" that really screwed people in the Wall St crash
    Wow, so there might be an eight hour backlog of sell orders? :o
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911

    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    "Top Gainers"

    [Blank]
    I know - we're back down to where we were 24 days ago! It's a bloodbath :D
  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    Does anyone really care beyond those already fully committed to one side or the other?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Does anyone really care beyond those already fully committed to one side or the other?

    Do you class me as fully committed?

    (leaving aside whether I should be committed or not ... ) ;)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752

    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    What I find interesting is that amongst all the major cryptocurrencies Bitcoin is actually down the least, a mere 25% (things called Firstcoin and Komodo are down slightly less. Nope, me neither). One hesitates to suggest this is a flight to quality, perhaps a flight to greater liquidity.
  • DavidL said:

    Merry Christmas everyone.

    I want to show goodwill to all men and women, especially on PB which has given me a lot of pleasure and amusement this year as well as a few quid in the bank. I therefore refuse to respond to Alastair's provocations. I have met him. He is a genuinely nice chap.

    This is not the season for bickering.

    Yes, you are right DavidL. I probably haven't helped with that today myself either.

    Merry Christmas everyone.


  • You should re-read your post and ask yourself why virtually every Leaver on this forum considers you to be extremely rude.

    Terrible thing, rudeness on PB. We salute your indefatigability in standing up to it. :)
    But, I don't do it every day ;)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    My passport expires in August 2019. Will I get a red one until 2029 ?

    You can renew it earlier if you are really bothered about it ;)
    What happens after March 29, 2019 ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    My passport expires in August 2019. Will I get a red one until 2029 ?

    You can renew it earlier if you are really bothered about it ;)
    What happens after March 29, 2019 ?
    You’ll get a burgundy one without the words European Union on it.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    What I find interesting is that amongst all the major cryptocurrencies Bitcoin is actually down the least, a mere 25% (things called Firstcoin and Komodo are down slightly less. Nope, me neither). One hesitates to suggest this is a flight to quality, perhaps a flight to greater liquidity.
    Alts always get hit worse when there's a big selloff, partly because most people have to convert to BTC before cashing out to actual dollars. Therefore it's s**tcoin > btc > USD, creating extra demand for btc during these times.
  • Mr. Jessop, to long walks, yes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    My passport expires in August 2019. Will I get a red one until 2029 ?

    You can renew it earlier if you are really bothered about it ;)
    What happens after March 29, 2019 ?
    You’ll get a burgundy one without the words European Union on it.
    I doubt that the government will introduce a minor change like that a few months before the major redesign. If anything they will stay the same until late 2019.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    kyf_100 said:

    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    What I find interesting is that amongst all the major cryptocurrencies Bitcoin is actually down the least, a mere 25% (things called Firstcoin and Komodo are down slightly less. Nope, me neither). One hesitates to suggest this is a flight to quality, perhaps a flight to greater liquidity.
    Alts always get hit worse when there's a big selloff, partly because most people have to convert to BTC before cashing out to actual dollars. Therefore it's s**tcoin > btc > USD, creating extra demand for btc during these times.
    Interesting. Not a market that I have ever studied. There seems to be a minor recovery in BTC at the moment around $12K. Does that mean the others may recover faster/more?
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    I'm sure the Sun and Express are getting out the comparison tool in Photoshop to test. We'll find out tomorrow if the headlines are screaming betrayal...
  • nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    The proposed new shade seems far closer to Tory Blue - hope Theresa isn't attempting some kind of subliminal messaging here.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    Mr. Jessop, to long walks, yes.

    :)

    Though sadly I'm not getting time to do many. What sort of brain-dead idiot chooses hiking as a hobby and then moves to the well-known mountainous county of Cambridgeshire?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Last year we got our bronze turkey for free out of Tescos on Christmas eve. Going to be hard to beat that this year.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921
    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
  • Mr. Jessop, should've moved to Yorkshire :D
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    MaxPB said:

    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    I'm sure the Sun and Express are getting out the comparison tool in Photoshop to test. We'll find out tomorrow if the headlines are screaming betrayal...

    I'm dead serious, the old passports were black. Google image search it. The new passports are blue, which is a totally different colour.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/uk-blue-passports-britain-restore#img-1

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Last year we got our bronze turkey for free out of Tescos on Christmas eve. Going to be hard to beat that this year.
    Hard to beat free! Not sure if Waitrose can even compete with that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    My passport expires in August 2019. Will I get a red one until 2029 ?

    You can renew it earlier if you are really bothered about it ;)
    What happens after March 29, 2019 ?
    You’ll get a burgundy one without the words European Union on it.
    I doubt that the government will introduce a minor change like that a few months before the major redesign. If anything they will stay the same until late 2019.
    I thought that’s what the Sun article said?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    DavidL said:

    kyf_100 said:

    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    What I find interesting is that amongst all the major cryptocurrencies Bitcoin is actually down the least, a mere 25% (things called Firstcoin and Komodo are down slightly less. Nope, me neither). One hesitates to suggest this is a flight to quality, perhaps a flight to greater liquidity.
    Alts always get hit worse when there's a big selloff, partly because most people have to convert to BTC before cashing out to actual dollars. Therefore it's s**tcoin > btc > USD, creating extra demand for btc during these times.
    Interesting. Not a market that I have ever studied. There seems to be a minor recovery in BTC at the moment around $12K. Does that mean the others may recover faster/more?
    I'm with RCS1000 on this that the only other coin worth holding long term is probably ETH. Most of the others don't really have a case use that can't one day be folded into one or other of these coins. There's probably space for a few others, but by and large alts are in a much bigger bubble than BTC.

    Generally when alts pump btc dumps and vice versa, except mega sell offs like these where it goes red across the board (due to people cashing out to USD). RCS1000 sold at a very smart time but the thing to watch out for is the next halving - when the number of new coins 'discovered' halves, this constricts supply, causing a bull run. Next halving is due in 898 days. Based on previous bull/bear cycles, (80% drop followed by a x7 or more increase from the previous ATH) we could see a 50-100k coin in 2020.

    This Forbes article about Bitcoin crashes seems almost charmingly antiquated now, but it shows you just how many times this has happened before.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timothylee/2013/04/11/an-illustrated-history-of-bitcoin-crashes/#6ad16a074039

    I'm expecting a two year bear now, however this chart created in May has been spookily accurate so far (even predicting this 50% drop almost to the day...)

    https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/YRZvdurN-The-target-of-current-bubble-lays-between-40k-and-110k/
  • On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
    I do, but last year we had a duck and it was absolutely glorious. Definitely the finest Xmas dinner we've had at my family home.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    edited December 2017
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Last year we got our bronze turkey for free out of Tescos on Christmas eve. Going to be hard to beat that this year.
    Hard to beat free! Not sure if Waitrose can even compete with that.
    Pretty sure they don't want to. But having a lot of fresh turkeys going by their sell by date before the Shop opens again is an incentive. We gave up ordering turkeys years ago. I mean its not like we have a dozen for Christmas dinner....well, we do, but you know what I mean.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,728
    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    I'm sure the Sun and Express are getting out the comparison tool in Photoshop to test. We'll find out tomorrow if the headlines are screaming betrayal...

    I'm dead serious, the old passports were black. Google image search it. The new passports are blue, which is a totally different colour.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/uk-blue-passports-britain-restore#img-1

    They were a very deep blue, but the dye could darken with age so they sometimes looked black. The new one according to these images is a much paler blue.

    (No, I didn't have one - obviously - but we still have my mother's from the 1960s.)
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    I'm sure the Sun and Express are getting out the comparison tool in Photoshop to test. We'll find out tomorrow if the headlines are screaming betrayal...
    I'm dead serious, the old passports were black. Google image search it. The new passports are blue, which is a totally different colour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/uk-blue-passports-britain-restore#img-1

    Yes, it was virtually black. I remember getting a replacement burgundy one in 1973.

    The new blue one would actually look rather good with 12 gold stars on it ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,728

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Distraction therapy? Much easier to discuss passport colours than confront the real intractable issues raised by Leaving or indeed Remaining. They involve hard choices.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,755

    Who'd have thought that the young would be strongly alienated by a mindlessly reactionary move calculated to tickle the prejudices of extremists? I can't see how this helps the Conservatives with a hearts and minds campaign for those voters who turned out in droves in June to vote against them.

    Anyway, those who don't want a passport are getting to choose the colour for those who do. I'm sure there's a logic there somewhere.

    How are Conservatives supposed to appeal to such voters without becoming left-wing and going against Brexit, and thus losing the essence of what they stand for, which, quite apart from being pointless, would also alienate the older voters?

    Try not to respond with a dig at Leavers or Conservatives, but a genuine answer.

    How?

    You've previously said building a message around "rewarding good work" might be the right move, which I found interesting.
    You regard hard truths as digs. But Leave is a moral disaster, is perceived as such by millions and they are neither going to forgive or forget those who implemented it. The Conservatives have probably lost a whole generation as a result for the indefinite future. They certainly deserve to.

    A strong Conservative Prime Minister who was trying to be inclusive to those outside the tent would be astonishing the headbangers with her ingratitude, not signalling that she feels they need to be bought off with symbols. Time and again self-described moderate Leavers are failing to distance themselves from the nutters. The only conclusion has to be that they enjoy their company.
    May is bringing back blue passports just to annoy you.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786
    It's hard to think of a defection that would be worse for the Tories.
    https://twitter.com/NickJTimothy/status/944180849611862016
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
    I do, but last year we had a duck and it was absolutely glorious. Definitely the finest Xmas dinner we've had at my family home.
    When we were newly married I, bored of turkey, insisted we got a goose. By the time we had drained the roasting tin 3x there was depressingly little left. Its been turkey ever since by decree.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,755

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    It's a bit like the dispute between the Big Enders and Little Enders.
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    ydoethur said:

    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    I'm sure the Sun and Express are getting out the comparison tool in Photoshop to test. We'll find out tomorrow if the headlines are screaming betrayal...

    I'm dead serious, the old passports were black. Google image search it. The new passports are blue, which is a totally different colour.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/uk-blue-passports-britain-restore#img-1

    They were a very deep blue, but the dye could darken with age so they sometimes looked black. The new one according to these images is a much paler blue.

    (No, I didn't have one - obviously - but we still have my mother's from the 1960s.)
    I want a very deep blue passport that darkens with age, not this light blue nonsense. Don't the USA have blue passports?

  • Mr. Max, must agree. Turkey is arguably the worst of the meats.

    Only had duck once, but it was very tasty (Peking duck).
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
    I do, but last year we had a duck and it was absolutely glorious. Definitely the finest Xmas dinner we've had at my family home.
    When we were newly married I, bored of turkey, insisted we got a goose. By the time we had drained the roasting tin 3x there was depressingly little left. Its been turkey ever since by decree.
    Yeah that happened to me once and I didn't get goose ever again, but duck doesn't have that problem. The only issue is that they don't come in massive sized like turkeys. Any more than 6 people and it's tough to find one big enough. I think I'm going to order a capon for next year.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
    I do, but last year we had a duck and it was absolutely glorious. Definitely the finest Xmas dinner we've had at my family home.
    When we were newly married I, bored of turkey, insisted we got a goose. By the time we had drained the roasting tin 3x there was depressingly little left. Its been turkey ever since by decree.
    Size is a factor - the key if possible is to cook more than one type of meat, rather than go for one big Turkey. Things cook surprisingly well in counter top halogen ovens.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
    I do, but last year we had a duck and it was absolutely glorious. Definitely the finest Xmas dinner we've had at my family home.
    When we were newly married I, bored of turkey, insisted we got a goose. By the time we had drained the roasting tin 3x there was depressingly little left. Its been turkey ever since by decree.
    We get a wild goose from a game dealer every year. (We actually have turkey at Xmas and eat the goose on New Year's Eve). Much nicer than a farmed bird and easier to cook as there's a lot less fat.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    Sad, sad sad.

    On Christmas eve we usually get ourselves some treats for the evening with just the immediate family before the work of the next day. We get my daughter some Nandos. There is a homeless person who sleeps outside their shop. The last couple of years I have given her £20 and she has been incredibly grateful but I actually feel ashamed about how lucky we are and how easy it is to turn the head and not see.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Sean_F said:

    Who'd have thought that the young would be strongly alienated by a mindlessly reactionary move calculated to tickle the prejudices of extremists? I can't see how this helps the Conservatives with a hearts and minds campaign for those voters who turned out in droves in June to vote against them.

    Anyway, those who don't want a passport are getting to choose the colour for those who do. I'm sure there's a logic there somewhere.

    How are Conservatives supposed to appeal to such voters without becoming left-wing and going against Brexit, and thus losing the essence of what they stand for, which, quite apart from being pointless, would also alienate the older voters?

    Try not to respond with a dig at Leavers or Conservatives, but a genuine answer.

    How?

    You've previously said building a message around "rewarding good work" might be the right move, which I found interesting.
    You regard hard truths as digs. But Leave is a moral disaster, is perceived as such by millions and they are neither going to forgive or forget those who implemented it. The Conservatives have probably lost a whole generation as a result for the indefinite future. They certainly deserve to.

    A strong Conservative Prime Minister who was trying to be inclusive to those outside the tent would be astonishing the headbangers with her ingratitude, not signalling that she feels they need to be bought off with symbols. Time and again self-described moderate Leavers are failing to distance themselves from the nutters. The only conclusion has to be that they enjoy their company.
    May is bringing back blue passports just to annoy you.
    He also makes no sense - he complains self described moderate leavers fail to distance themselves from the nutters, but has also admitted, openly, that if they/we do, it doesn't satisfy him in what he claims he wanted them/us to do. So in fact he is lying when he complains about people failing to distance themselves, since he doesn't want them to, and refuses to acknowledge or accept it if they do. that is absolutely key and it cannot be taken seriously as it is a logical absurdity to demand people do something, then complain if they do that it means nothing (if it means nothing, why complain people are not doing it, even if they are?) . He wants to whinge, even at Xmas, about the perfidy of all those not as smart as him.

    Besides, if the mock ups are accurate the new blue passports won't match the old ones, so they wouldn't be a fig leaf to leavers after all, but something new for the new era, just as he also claimed he wanted
  • DavidL said:

    Sad, sad sad.

    On Christmas eve we usually get ourselves some treats for the evening with just the immediate family before the work of the next day. We get my daughter some Nandos. There is a homeless person who sleeps outside their shop. The last couple of years I have given her £20 and she has been incredibly grateful but I actually feel ashamed about how lucky we are and how easy it is to turn the head and not see.
    The best thing is to give to the charities who try to help. The trouble is that the problem is not simply one of having somewhere to go, but multiple issues of addiction, alcohol, family breakdown, and mental illness. I thought that article captured that well.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    Good luck. Might be worth trying a specialist poultry dealer for that size, this late....
    Yeah, my sister was supposed to order one but she forgot so my partner and I are hitting all the major supermarkets to try and find something. If not we'll settle for turkey, but it's such a bland and dry food.
    Baste!
    I do, but last year we had a duck and it was absolutely glorious. Definitely the finest Xmas dinner we've had at my family home.
    When we were newly married I, bored of turkey, insisted we got a goose. By the time we had drained the roasting tin 3x there was depressingly little left. Its been turkey ever since by decree.
    Size is a factor - the key if possible is to cook more than one type of meat, rather than go for one big Turkey. Things cook surprisingly well in counter top halogen ovens.
    When my parents were alive we used to have 15-17 for Christmas dinner and we used to have venison en croute with the turkey which was great but for a dozen we generally stick to the one meat.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    edited December 2017
    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    We're having our shopping delivered from Sainsbury's tomorrow... So I'm sitting at home nice and relaxed munching on a mince pie.

    Just though I'd share that with you! :D
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752

    DavidL said:

    Sad, sad sad.

    On Christmas eve we usually get ourselves some treats for the evening with just the immediate family before the work of the next day. We get my daughter some Nandos. There is a homeless person who sleeps outside their shop. The last couple of years I have given her £20 and she has been incredibly grateful but I actually feel ashamed about how lucky we are and how easy it is to turn the head and not see.
    The best thing is to give to the charities who try to help. The trouble is that the problem is not simply one of having somewhere to go, but multiple issues of addiction, alcohol, family breakdown, and mental illness. I thought that article captured that well.
    I always give a good donation to the Salvation Army, they are heroes and seem untainted by the shadow that hangs over our charitable sector now. I am not religious but if religions were all like that....

    The article does reflect the complexity of the problems. Everything the family gave him sold for drink. Some people are unfortunately very hard to help.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Never do the turkey on its own as it's too dry; so cook something like sausage meat as well.

    Add bread sauce to lubricate, and cranberry to spice up.

    Then it's enjoyable.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    We're having our shopping delivered from Sainsbury's tomorrow... So I'm sitting at home nice and relaxed munching on a mince pie.

    Just though I'd share that with you! :D
    Not to ruin your festive mood, but don't get too complacent. I arranged ours for today. Less than half came. 2 hours on the phone to sort it out. Still not here!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    My expired passports, are like time capsules, presenting an astonishing sequence of standardised photos and signatures. Before the burgundy ones came in personal details were recorded: height, colour of eyes and hair, and on the earliest “special peculiarities” which became “distinguishing marks” in the 1980s. Height was recorded in feet and inches until we joined the EU.
    In the back of the passport the “Foreign exchange for Personal Travelling Expenses”. This reveals £5 in 1957 and £5 a year later, both for exchange trips to France.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    We're having our shopping delivered from Sainsbury's tomorrow... So I'm sitting at home nice and relaxed munching on a mince pie.

    Just though I'd share that with you! :D
    Sitting there as smug as someone who got on Jeremy Hunt for next leader at better than 100/1.

    Merry Christmas.
  • On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,752
    geoffw said:

    My expired passports, are like time capsules, presenting an astonishing sequence of standardised photos and signatures. Before the burgundy ones came in personal details were recorded: height, colour of eyes and hair, and on the earliest “special peculiarities” which became “distinguishing marks” in the 1980s. Height was recorded in feet and inches until we joined the EU.
    In the back of the passport the “Foreign exchange for Personal Travelling Expenses”. This reveals £5 in 1957 and £5 a year later, both for exchange trips to France.

    I've still got my old black one clipped at the corner as well as a few burgundy ones. Whatever happened to that young man? It seems so recent.
  • nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    nielh said:

    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    MaxPB said:

    A whole thread on the colour of a passport. :/

    The way this is going I could see ritual passport burnings and protests by Corbynites in 2020.

    Before they go off quietly and reorder one after so they can actually travel abroad..

    In reality what we'll see is quite a few people buying "EU" burgundy passport covers for them, just as you can currently buy old-style blue-black passport covers.

    Labour might try and exploit it in the run up to GE2022 by pledging a choice of colours, or yet another redesign.
    Do Corbynites care about this?
    No, I think no one cares about it other than ultra-remainers who seem to think that everyone who voted to leave care more about the colour of a passport than actually leaving the EU. The only people who I've seen make any comments about the change have been remainers complaining. Nobody else gives a shit.
    So why is the government going to all this expense to get them changed then?
    Its not. Contract was up for renewal - money would have to be spent regardlesd of colour
    But the mere act of them getting them redesigned will cost the taxpayer something. If absolutely everyone, Leavers and Remainers alike, are perfectly content to keep them as they are, that sounds like a gratuitous waste of money.
    I am a remain voter and I am totally indifferent to the passport changing colour.
    The only thing is, that I am almost certain that that they were black before, or at least a much darker shade of blue than what is now proposed.
    Have we been betrayed?

    I'm sure the Sun and Express are getting out the comparison tool in Photoshop to test. We'll find out tomorrow if the headlines are screaming betrayal...

    I'm dead serious, the old passports were black. Google image search it. The new passports are blue, which is a totally different colour.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/22/uk-blue-passports-britain-restore#img-1

    According to Sky News to day they were black prior to us changing to the EU standard. But previously when first introduced (I think they said in the 1920s) they were blue.

    Of course if you watch Father Ted you will know they were never really black - not 'Priest's Socks Black' :)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Waitrose, never fails me. Ended up getting a pretty sizeable duck for 6-8 people.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,547

    I've applied for my Citizen of the World passport. It's really easy; you apply for it nowhere.

    Are there any borders where you can show it at though?
    For a citizen of the world, there are no borders...
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,996

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    It's about telling us who are the masters now. Or as they put it nowadays, "Suck it up, bitches".
  • HHemmeligHHemmelig Posts: 617
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    CD13 said:

    It's all symbolic.

    The problem is that some of the posher Remainers aren't used to not getting their own way.

    Losing a referendum to the thickos is bad enough, but having them flaunt their blue passports would be the ultimate insult.

    Think of a petulant child who is spoilt rotten. A Violet Eizabeth who flies off at the merest word.

    No grown-ups are bothered.

    Yes the EU referendum was the first time a majority of working class plebs beat a majority of the middle class and most particularly the posho upper middle class, since Wilson beat Heath in 1974. They really do not want to have to share the same passport as those plebs when they are in the airport queue for Florence or Mustique while the plebs head off to Benidorm or Tenerife!
    Your way of looking at the world is as full of hackneyed old-fashioned class stereotypes as a bad 1970s sitcom! Perhaps you'd consider writing a script for a re-make of On The Buses? These days there are plenty of self-employed builder types who, whilst a bit earthy and leave-leaning, earn six figure incomes and would smack you in the mouth if you called them a pleb. I'm surprised you don't see a lot of that round your way in Essex! By contrast a lot of your middle class Remoaner poshos are earning peanuts as race equality advisors living in verminous shared houses in Lewisham. Such is the topsy turvey world we now live in.

    Incidentally I'm a middle class Remainer who really likes Tenerife.

  • On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In that case you are just as sad as those who want it changed. And yes 'Some People'. Much as I know you like to blame all Eurosceptics for everything that you don't like, in the real world things are rather more nuanced than that.

    The fact this change upsets you makes me pity you for being so shallow.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In that case you are just as sad as those who want it changed. And yes 'Some People'. Much as I know you like to blame all Eurosceptics for everything that you don't like, in the real world things are rather more nuanced than that.

    The fact this change upsets you makes me pity you for being so shallow.
    "Sad"? Really ?

    "I know you like to blame all Eurosceptics for everything that you don't like"

    Nope. Wrong. Totally and utterly wrong. Please try again.

    I don't want your pity: a more polite and well-mannered Richard Tyndall would do nicely for 2018, thanks. ;)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Hope everyone who’s sold Bitcoin recently had their transaction confirmed. It possible that by tomorrow there will be no buyers at any price as everything catches up.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469


    Never do the turkey on its own as it's too dry; so cook something like sausage meat as well.

    Add bread sauce to lubricate, and cranberry to spice up.

    Then it's enjoyable.

    And a bottle of port while it's cooking and you won't care what any one says about the turkey....... allegedly......
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    edited December 2017
    As a Remainer, I welcome the proposed change in colour of passports, as long as it is to the previous black colour - not an anaemic light blue.

    I have my old black passport in my desk drawer and aesthetically it is very cool. I do prefer it.

    I also support the trade-off of a blue-black passport for a Norway plus plus deal. "You Leavers got a change in passport colour. What more do you want?"

    Unfortunately my passport expires in July 2019 so I'll be stuck with the burgundy one until I'm 85. I could always get a black cover for it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In what way will the change of colour make your life any different. You can just get a burgundy passport cover, I'm sure they will have a firesale.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    dixiedean said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    We're having our shopping delivered from Sainsbury's tomorrow... So I'm sitting at home nice and relaxed munching on a mince pie.

    Just though I'd share that with you! :D
    Not to ruin your festive mood, but don't get too complacent. I arranged ours for today. Less than half came. 2 hours on the phone to sort it out. Still not here!
    Oh ****! :open_mouth:
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    Brutal day in cryptoland - https://onchainfx.com/v/KApsiV

    Reality is a cruel mistress......
    What I find interesting is that amongst all the major cryptocurrencies Bitcoin is actually down the least, a mere 25% (things called Firstcoin and Komodo are down slightly less. Nope, me neither). One hesitates to suggest this is a flight to quality, perhaps a flight to greater liquidity.
    Bitcoin supports the prices of all the other coins. Thing of it as the South Sea Company stock to the stocks for a company That Proposes to a Great Undertaking.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    MaxPB said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In what way will the change of colour make your life any different. You can just get a burgundy passport cover, I'm sure they will have a firesale.
    In what way does changing the colour make the leavers' who screamed about it any different?

    Yet, we're going to change, and suddenly all the leavers are staring at their feet and saying: "Not me, guv!"

    But to answer your question: I prefer burgundy. All my previous passports have been burgundy. Also, it's an unnecessary change.

    Whilst you might laugh at those reasons, they're as valid as the people who wanted to change them back to blue because, well, just because.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,952
    Nigelb said:

    I've applied for my Citizen of the World passport. It's really easy; you apply for it nowhere.

    Are there any borders where you can show it at though?
    For a citizen of the world, there are no borders...
    As a Citizen of the World, try getting into African countries without a visa. Even as their citizens leg it to Europe to escape, back home there is still a great industry in checking visas for those trying to enter their own country - and locking up those who try to gain access with out the correct paperwork.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921


    Never do the turkey on its own as it's too dry; so cook something like sausage meat as well.

    Add bread sauce to lubricate, and cranberry to spice up.

    Then it's enjoyable.

    Bread sauce* is food of the gods.

    *Obviously it has to be made from scratch, with grated nutmeg etc.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Off topic, I've just been to M&S to do some Xmas food shopping. It was a complete disaster zone. Even the queue to pick up orders was a mile long. Now heading to Waitrose to try my luck at finding a non-Turkey bird for 7 people.

    We're having our shopping delivered from Sainsbury's tomorrow... So I'm sitting at home nice and relaxed munching on a mince pie.

    Just though I'd share that with you! :D
    Sitting there as smug as someone who got on Jeremy Hunt for next leader at better than 100/1.

    Merry Christmas.
    No I'm not quite *that* smug...

    Congrats and Merry Christmas. :D
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    edited December 2017

    MaxPB said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In what way will the change of colour make your life any different. You can just get a burgundy passport cover, I'm sure they will have a firesale.
    In what way does changing the colour make the leavers' who screamed about it any different?

    Yet, we're going to change, and suddenly all the leavers are staring at their feet and saying: "Not me, guv!"

    But to answer your question: I prefer burgundy. All my previous passports have been burgundy. Also, it's an unnecessary change.

    Whilst you might laugh at those reasons, they're as valid as the people who wanted to change them back to blue because, well, just because.
    Not all Leavers wanted to change passport colours.

    Personally I never gave it a moments thought about it and would be fine with red, green, blue or even purple coloured passports (I would expect "European Union" to be taking off it once we leave obviously)

    I found Nigel Farage running around the country brandishing his passport one of the the more cringe moments of the referendum (and there were a LOT of those)..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    I think we should do what seen m Sweden does, and allow people to pay extra for different colour passports.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,837
    Sandpit said:

    Hope everyone who’s sold Bitcoin recently had their transaction confirmed. It possible that by tomorrow there will be no buyers at any price as everything catches up.

    Was just trying to buy some ehtereum through coinbase (I love a bear market)

    Am unable to buy ANY coins.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    MaxPB said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In what way will the change of colour make your life any different. You can just get a burgundy passport cover, I'm sure they will have a firesale.
    In what way does changing the colour make the leavers' who screamed about it any different?

    Yet, we're going to change, and suddenly all the leavers are staring at their feet and saying: "Not me, guv!"

    But to answer your question: I prefer burgundy. All my previous passports have been burgundy. Also, it's an unnecessary change.

    Whilst you might laugh at those reasons, they're as valid as the people who wanted to change them back to blue because, well, just because.
    So no difference. I don't see what the big deal is. It's something I use a few times a month, its colour doesn't have any bearing on my life. Whether it's blue, green, black or burgundy. I'd like to have personalised ones.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In what way will the change of colour make your life any different. You can just get a burgundy passport cover, I'm sure they will have a firesale.
    In what way does changing the colour make the leavers' who screamed about it any different?

    Yet, we're going to change, and suddenly all the leavers are staring at their feet and saying: "Not me, guv!"

    But to answer your question: I prefer burgundy. All my previous passports have been burgundy. Also, it's an unnecessary change.

    Whilst you might laugh at those reasons, they're as valid as the people who wanted to change them back to blue because, well, just because.
    Not all Leavers wanted to change passport colours. Personally I never gave it a moments thought abour it and would be fine with red, green, blue or even purple coloured passports (wI would expect European Union to be taking off it once we leave obviously)

    I found Nigel Farage running around the country brandishing his passport one of the the more cringe moments of the referendum (and there were a LOT of those)..
    Fair enough. So why change?
  • Mr. 1000, sounds cunning.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    edited December 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    "Some people" ?

    "The passport is routinely redesigned every five years and Eurosceptics view the new contract as a way to ditch the EU burgundy cover in favour of a return to the colour of the past."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4372688/Tory-MPs-stamp-approval-return-blue-passports-Brexit.html + more.

    I'm pi**ed off by this. I like the current colour, and see the change as a backwards, retrograde step.
    In what way will the change of colour make your life any different. You can just get a burgundy passport cover, I'm sure they will have a firesale.
    In what way does changing the colour make the leavers' who screamed about it any different?

    Yet, we're going to change, and suddenly all the leavers are staring at their feet and saying: "Not me, guv!"

    But to answer your question: I prefer burgundy. All my previous passports have been burgundy. Also, it's an unnecessary change.

    Whilst you might laugh at those reasons, they're as valid as the people who wanted to change them back to blue because, well, just because.
    Not all Leavers wanted to change passport colours. Personally I never gave it a moments thought abour it and would be fine with red, green, blue or even purple coloured passports (wI would expect European Union to be taking off it once we leave obviously)

    I found Nigel Farage running around the country brandishing his passport one of the the more cringe moments of the referendum (and there were a LOT of those)..
    Fair enough. So why change?
    Don't ask me...

    EDIT: But by the same token, why not change?

    Who cares.

    *shrug*
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    I think we should do what seen m Sweden does, and allow people to pay extra for different colour passports.
    Pictures and designs on the back would be good as well. I don't see why it has to be such a basic thing.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic. I find this all very strange. I find it downright weird that anyone could actively either be in favour of or oppose changing the colour of a passport. It seems such an entirely non-issue to me either way.

    Yet leave were the ones who wanted this change ...
    No. Some people wanted the change and for them it was an issue. Most of us don't really give a toss about the colour. What matters is that we stop being EU citizens.

    Personally I think we should go for a bit of flair and get Jean Paul Gaultier to design the next passport colour scheme.
    I think we should do what seen m Sweden does, and allow people to pay extra for different colour passports.
    Good idea. :D
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,715
    edited December 2017
    I really should get out more! I belong to a group which has a number of overseas (and British) holiday homes .... no, not timeshare....... and I went onto the users Facebook page and asked them if they cared about the passport colour. I’ve had thirty (at least) replies. The consensus was summed up by someone who said 'I just want a passport that gets me out (and back) with minimal fuss - the colour is irrelevent!’, although two people did say they wanted the blue ones and one or two others wanted other colours.... lime green was mentioned... to brighten up travel! There was a concern too about ‘what are they trying to sneak through while we’re all up in arms about this?'
    Other comments include concern that the blue will show up wine stains, wheres the current one doesn’t. The group is composed of, generally speaking of 45+’s people, probably social class B/C1.

    Hope this helps!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,080
    Basically it's because they will be struggling to answer the question 'what has changed for the better' after Brexit for quite some time. Symbolism isn't much, but nothing is even less.
This discussion has been closed.