@theousherwood: Just watching Dominic Grieve walk into Downing Street. A job would be one way to ensure no more nasty rebellions on Brexit legislation.
@bbclaurak: Interesting ... what would he go back to having been in Cabinet before ? Raab’s job at Justice is vacant twitter.com/theousherwood/…
Attorney General? I can't remember if Jeremy Wright has been reappointed or not?
That's his old job... would he take it...
Grieve would be an ideal CON leader
He's my kind of Tory, plus it would be great to have someone who read History as PM.
If a knowledge of history is required to be PM - you just went to the back of the queue.....
I wave my A in A Level History certificate in your face.
This was when A Levels were hard.
No it wasn't. Not unless you have been lying about your age a great deal.
@theousherwood: Just watching Dominic Grieve walk into Downing Street. A job would be one way to ensure no more nasty rebellions on Brexit legislation.
@bbclaurak: Interesting ... what would he go back to having been in Cabinet before ? Raab’s job at Justice is vacant twitter.com/theousherwood/…
Attorney General? I can't remember if Jeremy Wright has been reappointed or not?
That's his old job... would he take it...
Grieve would be an ideal CON leader
He's my kind of Tory, plus it would be great to have someone who read History as PM.
If a knowledge of history is required to be PM - you just went to the back of the queue.....
I wave my A in A Level History certificate in your face.
This was when A Levels were hard.
No it wasn't. Not unless you have been lying about your age a great deal.
And reflecting on Justine Greening's demise, a terrible look for the PM, but is it just that they didn't get on? May must have figured that getting her out of the room is worth another Brexit rebel.
You can't have a reshuffle without someone getting booted out.
Goes without saying. But to brief out that you are going for a female, young, diverse team and then lose Justine Greening seems more than a little careless.
Leadsom, Grayling and Fox were the obvious contenders for the sack. All still in office.
Well there's one positive about all of this, we know for sure that 2022 will have a different Tory leader. May will never be able to hang on now. She's created too many enemies and botched everything up one too many times.
She has made more progress on her talks with the EU than her predecessor did
And lost his majority
A mess of something not everything and if Cameron had made some progress with the EU in his talks he may have narrowly won his referendum and still be in No 10
And reflecting on Justine Greening's demise, a terrible look for the PM, but is it just that they didn't get on? May must have figured that getting her out of the room is worth another Brexit rebel.
You can't have a reshuffle without someone getting booted out.
And reflecting on Justine Greening's demise, a terrible look for the PM, but is it just that they didn't get on? May must have figured that getting her out of the room is worth another Brexit rebel.
You can't have a reshuffle without someone getting booted out.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
Yes, she does need Osborne back, but how can she get him back into parliament and get him to help implement Brexit, something he is vehemently against?
To lose the UK from the EU was careless, to lose Poland and Hungary too would be disastrous
Though support for the EU in Polish polls is at very high levels, considerably higher than polling for their own government. Poles know that the EU is a bulwark against tryrants more than most!
Wow. Where did that story originate? It was also over the media and even Nigel gave his endorsement.
The Daily Telegraph.
Ah, that makes sense. It must have been Boris's idea and he was convinced he could force Theresa to implement it. It was a silly idea though and I'm pleased Theresa has stood firm.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
Yes, she does need Osborne back, but how can she get him back into parliament and get him to help implement Brexit, something he is vehemently against?
Ennobling him is the obvious way. Having him back as an MP would probably be too dangerous for her. But it won't happen. She is too stubborn and he may well be too.
To lose the UK from the EU was careless, to lose Poland and Hungary too would be disastrous
Though support for the EU in Polish polls is at very high levels, considerably higher than polling for their own government. Poles know that the EU is a bulwark against tryrants more than most!
Not the best caption. Sky are notorious for their cancellations department being the "negotiate a better deal" department in reality.
Oddly, I think this is being misreported slightly. His complaint is that they are breaking the spirit of the treaties NOW, in that UK firms are still in the Single Market and to exclude them from SM processes is actually illegal. His comments about the ECJ simply reflect that the ECJ is the protector of the Project, not the keeper of the Law.
Wow. Where did that story originate? It was also over the media and even Nigel gave his endorsement.
The Daily Telegraph.
Ah, that makes sense. It must have been Boris's idea and he was convinced he could force Theresa to implement it. It was a silly idea though and I'm pleased Theresa has stood firm.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
To lose the UK from the EU was careless, to lose Poland and Hungary too would be disastrous
Though support for the EU in Polish polls is at very high levels, considerably higher than polling for their own government. Poles know that the EU is a bulwark against tryrants more than most!
That's laying it on a bit thick. A more obvious reality is that whilst Poland remains an enormous net beneficiary of EU funds its population will remain supportive of remaining a member.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The LDs got 23% and it was LD seats in the Southwest which stayed LD in 2010 but went Tory in 2015 which were crucial to the Tory majority then.
The Tories did even worse in London in 2015 than 2010 and the same in Scotland and still won a majority.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The last point is untrue. I was able to back a hung Parliament at odds against three weeks before the general election with every bookie offering odds on it. It remains to this day one of my best political betting results.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The LDs got 23% and it was LD seats in the Southwest which stayed LD in 2010 but went Tory in 2015 which were crucial to the Tory majority then.
The Tories did even worse in London in 2015 than 2010 and the same in Scotland and still won a majority.
Yes but the Lib Dems were never going to collapse in 2010 like they did after the coalition.
This is a major long term strategic problem for the Tories now, that they can only scrape a small majority whilst the Lib Dems are flat on their back....I doubt that will be the case for ever.
Scotlands NHS figures are worst recorded with large increase in those not seen in the four hour target.Poor figures and Sturgeon has apologised.
Add in the failure of Wales NHS it is clear that the NHS throughout the UK needs a cross party working group to formulate plans on health and social care and funding for the next 10 years as Jeremy Hunt alluded to earlier in the week
Last month, BBC analysis of NHS data showed that fewer patients in Scotland were waiting longer than four hours in A&E than they did in 2012/3 in contrast to England where the number had more than doubled. It found England had a 155% rise in long waits between 2012/3 and this year, up to 2.5 million a year
Typical cheating lying unionist Tory and Labour fake news. They picked out ONE week, surprise surprise it was a bad one due to weather / flu. For many months Scotland's numbers have been significantly better than England , incredibly better than Wales and miles ahead of anything that Labour ever managed when they were wrecking the country.
Well there's one positive about all of this, we know for sure that 2022 will have a different Tory leader. May will never be able to hang on now. She's created too many enemies and botched everything up one too many times.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The last point is untrue. I was able to back a hung Parliament at odds against three weeks before the general election with every bookie offering odds on it. It remains to this day one of my best political betting results.
Though the polls were clearly in NOM territory for some weeks ahead of the election, especially after the Cleggasm. I guess people just didn't believe the Tories wouldn't scrape a majority at the last minute.
Well there's one positive about all of this, we know for sure that 2022 will have a different Tory leader. May will never be able to hang on now. She's created too many enemies and botched everything up one too many times.
To lose the UK from the EU was careless, to lose Poland and Hungary too would be disastrous
It would however be enormously funny to see the reaction of a certain regular poster and thread writer of this parish.
Especially as Alistair Meeks has a house in Hungary
The odd fixation with my personal life continues, I see. Downthread you will note, should you care, that I agree with Mr Verhofstadt.
There is a huge amount of uncouth bragging on here about supposed personal wealth....oooh I've just bought a brand new Jaguar, ooh I've just had a royalty cheque for 50 grand anyone know how I can spend it kind of comments.
Strange that people pick on Alistair so much and leave the attention seeking braggers alone.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The LDs got 23% and it was LD seats in the Southwest which stayed LD in 2010 but went Tory in 2015 which were crucial to the Tory majority then.
The Tories did even worse in London in 2015 than 2010 and the same in Scotland and still won a majority.
Yes but the Lib Dems were never going to collapse in 2010 like they did after the coalition.
This is a major long term strategic problem for the Tories now, that they can only scrape a small majority whilst the Lib Dems are flat on their back....I doubt that will be the case for ever.
The Southwest seats are more strongly Tory now than any election since 1987, that is a net benefit to the Tories certainly
Those are absolutely terrifying focus-group results on Corbyn.
You mean terrifying for Tories?
Actually a Corbyn premiership would probably be quite good for the Tories, in fact the worse it is for the country the better it is for a future Tory leader of the opposition. Hence it is next leader of the opposition that may be the real prize for top Tories, not a fag end PM
@theousherwood: Just watching Dominic Grieve walk into Downing Street. A job would be one way to ensure no more nasty rebellions on Brexit legislation.
@bbclaurak: Interesting ... what would he go back to having been in Cabinet before ? Raab’s job at Justice is vacant twitter.com/theousherwood/…
Attorney General? I can't remember if Jeremy Wright has been reappointed or not?
That's his old job... would he take it...
Grieve would be an ideal CON leader
He's my kind of Tory, plus it would be great to have someone who read History as PM.
If a knowledge of history is required to be PM - you just went to the back of the queue.....
I wave my A in A Level History certificate in your face.
This was when A Levels were hard.
No it wasn't. Not unless you have been lying about your age a great deal.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The LDs got 23% and it was LD seats in the Southwest which stayed LD in 2010 but went Tory in 2015 which were crucial to the Tory majority then.
The Tories did even worse in London in 2015 than 2010 and the same in Scotland and still won a majority.
Yes but the Lib Dems were never going to collapse in 2010 like they did after the coalition.
This is a major long term strategic problem for the Tories now, that they can only scrape a small majority whilst the Lib Dems are flat on their back....I doubt that will be the case for ever.
The Southwest seats are more strongly Tory now than any election since 1987, that is a net benefit to the Tories certainly
One of the more interesting results in June was Labour recovering in the SW. They may well take at least one Cornish seat next time. LDs and Labour need a tacit pact down there.
The idea must have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
They really, really, really need Malcolm.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
That is what Brown did with Mandelson, a man he famously did not get on with. And it worked. It denied Cameron a majority in 2010.
No the LDs denied Cameron a majority in 2010 not Mandelson, Labour got its lowest voteshare since 1983 at the 2010 general election
The Lib Dem seat total fell in 2010, and was quite a bit lower than was expected in the weeks running up to the election.
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
The LDs got 23% and it was LD seats in the Southwest which stayed LD in 2010 but went Tory in 2015 which were crucial to the Tory majority then.
The Tories did even worse in London in 2015 than 2010 and the same in Scotland and still won a majority.
Yes but the Lib Dems were never going to collapse in 2010 like they did after the coalition.
This is a major long term strategic problem for the Tories now, that they can only scrape a small majority whilst the Lib Dems are flat on their back....I doubt that will be the case for ever.
The Southwest seats are more strongly Tory now than any election since 1987, that is a net benefit to the Tories certainly
One of the more interesting results in June was Labour recovering in the SW. They may well take at least one Cornish seat next time. LDs and Labour need a tacit pact down there.
Falmouth and Cambourne was Labour of course from 1997 to 2001
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Then when they change their mind, the story about the disgruntled civil servant will have come from a disgruntled civil servant.
According to today's yoof, that makes me ancient.
In an ideal World, May would invite Osborne back "to clean up the blood spatter from his own execution"
But she is not that smart.
https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/950411851958976513
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/949647429917466625
https://twitter.com/profchalmers/status/950717535795728384
https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/950719698525741059
Not at the same time.
http://britainthinks.com/news/the-year-ahead-the-nations-mood-in-2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/05/22/forget-the-piddling-koalas/b038a1d8-1401-45fa-afe2-432f17b2952a/?utm_term=.9b326752b9da
IMO two factors were most crucial in denying Cameron a majority-
1. The Tories performed very disappointingly in big cities, especially London. Virtually no-one foresaw the Tories not gaining seats like Westminster North, Birmingham Edgbaston, Hammersmith etc.
2. The Tories failed to make a single gain in Scotland, again this was against prevailing expectations of them gaining up to 5 seats there.
All of that said, it was widely anticipated in the run up to GE2010 that Cameron was not going to get a majority. It may well be that his chances of a majority died when the financial crisis forced him & Osborne to ditch the husky hugging optimism and swing towards an austerity policy, despite the high mid-term poll leads they continued to enjoy into 2009. Plus the expenses crisis.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22207442
The Tories did even worse in London in 2015 than 2010 and the same in Scotland and still won a majority.
http://britainthinks.com/news/the-year-ahead-the-nations-mood-in-2018
This is a major long term strategic problem for the Tories now, that they can only scrape a small majority whilst the Lib Dems are flat on their back....I doubt that will be the case for ever.
And anyway I am sure The Sun, Mail and Express said we have all the Trump Cards anyway!!
Milk and Honey is wonderful BTW.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/950482097470402562
Naive possibly, but people like to believe in optimism.
Strange that people pick on Alistair so much and leave the attention seeking braggers alone.
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