"...nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine thousand, nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine, one million...ready or not, I'm coo-mming!"
My wife and I went to Antarctica for our retirement celebration and it was quite the most amazing, awe inspiring trip of a lifetime with images of unimaginable beauty, teaming wildlife, icebergs, and yes hurricane seas. But the magic of landing on the ice from a zodiac with full survival equipment, if needed, was a privilege and the photographic opportunities were indescribable.
As for the delightful penguins you could usual smell them long before you reached their colonies.
If anyone gets the chance , do not hesitate and go and wonder at the beauty of our ever so precious World and the magic that is Antarctica
I don't think I would like the cold, but thank you for the suggestion
You are required to take suitable base layers and kit and , while it is cold, proper clothing dissipates the cold
Sorry to throw some physics into the mix, but you don't dissipate cold, you conserve heat.
The 'centre' is by definition voters who are dead centre in the median of public opinion. For many years the 'centre' at least on Brexit has been assumed to be pro EU, the referendum vote means the 'centre' is now by definition represented by someone who voted against the EU.
Has it been established anywhere just how many people voted Leave because they were voting against Cameron and the Tories?
For that matter, just how many people voted Labour in the General Election, because they thought Labour under Corbyn were in favour of remaining in the EU?
Regardless 52% were still prepared to vote for Brexit even if some of the 48% did indeed try and get some revenge by voting Labour in 2017
Not there yet, Mr HYUFD. I don`t think they were voting FOR Brexit. They were voting against Cameron`s Conservative government. And they did so again in the general election - not FOR a Socialist programme.
Cameron of course won a majority in 2015. It was immigration concerns and sovereignty which won Leave a majority not an anti Cameron protest vote as such
Labour Leave campaigned to 'Wipe the smile off their faces'. Must have pushed a fair few Labour waverers into the Leave camp.
Perhaps but they were not the reason Leave won, otherwise Labour would have won in 2015, the reason Leave won was immigration concerns and regaining sovereignty
If it only moved 3% of voters it made all the difference.
Without sovereignty and immigration concerns Leave would not have had the votes for them to make the difference
"...nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine thousand, nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine, one million...ready or not, I'm coo-mming!"
My wife and I went to Antarctica for our retirement celebration and it was quite the most amazing, awe inspiring trip of a lifetime with images of unimaginable beauty, teaming wildlife, icebergs, and yes hurricane seas. But the magic of landing on the ice from a zodiac with full survival equipment, if needed, was a privilege and the photographic opportunities were indescribable.
As for the delightful penguins you could usual smell them long before you reached their colonies.
If anyone gets the chance , do not hesitate and go and wonder at the beauty of our ever so precious World and the magic that is Antarctica
I don't think I would like the cold, but thank you for the suggestion
You are required to take suitable base layers and kit and , while it is cold, proper clothing dissipates the cold
Sorry to throw some physics into the mix, but you don't dissipate cold, you conserve heat.
"...nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine thousand, nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine, one million...ready or not, I'm coo-mming!"
My wife and I went to Antarctica for our retirement celebration and it was quite the most amazing, awe inspiring trip of a lifetime with images of unimaginable beauty, teaming wildlife, icebergs, and yes hurricane seas. But the magic of landing on the ice from a zodiac with full survival equipment, if needed, was a privilege and the photographic opportunities were indescribable.
As for the delightful penguins you could usual smell them long before you reached their colonies.
If anyone gets the chance , do not hesitate and go and wonder at the beauty of our ever so precious World and the magic that is Antarctica
I don't think I would like the cold, but thank you for the suggestion
You are required to take suitable base layers and kit and , while it is cold, proper clothing dissipates the cold
Sorry to throw some physics into the mix, but you don't dissipate cold, you conserve heat.
A good thing to conserve heat is an anorak, like the bloody one you are probably wearing.
The 'centre' is by definition voters who are dead centre in the median of public opinion. For many years the 'centre' at least on Brexit has been assumed to be pro EU, the referendum vote means the 'centre' is now by definition represented by someone who voted against the EU.
Has it been established anywhere just how many people voted Leave because they were voting against Cameron and the Tories?
For that matter, just how many people voted Labour in the General Election, because they thought Labour under Corbyn were in favour of remaining in the EU?
I have always believed that Corbyn owed much of his success in 2017 to his having been able to change the focus of the campaign . Few people were particularly interested in the technicalities of Brexit per se - and he managed to change the subject by addressing concerns felt much more acutely by the wider electorate rather than political anoraks such as ourselves. Had it been a Brexit election , May would have won handsomely last June. It wasn't - and is very unlikely to be so next time either.
Plus Corbyn's Brexit policy at the time was virtually indistinguishable from May's anyway
Maybe so , but I really don't believe that Brexit was uppermost in the minds of most voters. Attitudes to Corbyn himself were much more important - he was very much a Marmite influence. Whilst many were drawn to Labour and inspired by him , I know from my own experience that a significant number of lifelong Labour voters were alienated and voted Tory for the first time. Whether those people would vote Tory again is another matter - and perhaps holds the key to Corbyn's prospects of a majority next time.
Corbyn was a factor but the fact he neutralised Brexit as a campaigning tool for May stopped dead her plans for a landslide win to endorse her Brexit plans and then she managed to lose her majority by shooting her base in the foot with the disastrous dementia tax plan
May's contribution was obviously important but I always gained the impression that Brexit was viewed by most people as a highly technical issue - and in so far as it was relevant was 'water under the bridge'. The electorate had moved on by last summer!
"...nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine thousand, nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine, one million...ready or not, I'm coo-mming!"
My wife and I went to Antarctica for our retirement celebration and it was quite the most amazing, awe inspiring trip of a lifetime with images of unimaginable beauty, teaming wildlife, icebergs, and yes hurricane seas. But the magic of landing on the ice from a zodiac with full survival equipment, if needed, was a privilege and the photographic opportunities were indescribable.
As for the delightful penguins you could usual smell them long before you reached their colonies.
If anyone gets the chance , do not hesitate and go and wonder at the beauty of our ever so precious World and the magic that is Antarctica
I don't think I would like the cold, but thank you for the suggestion
You are required to take suitable base layers and kit and , while it is cold, proper clothing dissipates the cold
Sorry to throw some physics into the mix, but you don't dissipate cold, you conserve heat.
A good thing to conserve heat is an anorak, like the bloody one you are probably wearing.
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
This discussion of car tariffs led me to look up car exports. Assuming this site is accurate, I was surprised to see the UK is the 5th largest car exporter, above S Korea and more than France and Italy combined. I presume a good deal of those go to the EU? (EDIT 56% to EU in 2016 apparently, 14.5% to US)
The 'centre' is by definition voters who are dead centre in the median of public opinion. For many years the 'centre' at least on Brexit has been assumed to be pro EU, the referendum vote means the 'centre' is now by definition represented by someone who voted against the EU.
Has it been established anywhere just how many people voted Leave because they were voting against Cameron and the Tories?
For that matter, just how many people voted Labour in the General Election, because they thought Labour under Corbyn were in favour of remaining in the EU?
I have always believed that Corbyn owed much of his success in 2017 to his having been able to change the focus of the campaign . Few people were particularly interested in the technicalities of Brexit per se - and he managed to change the subject by addressing concerns felt much more acutely by the wider electorate rather than political anoraks such as ourselves. Had it been a Brexit election , May would have won handsomely last June. It wasn't - and is very unlikely to be so next time either.
Plus Corbyn's Brexit policy at the time was virtually indistinguishable from May's anyway
Maybe so , but I really don't believe that Brexit was uppermost in the minds of most voters. Attitudes to Corbyn himself were much more important - he was very much a Marmite influence. Whilst many were drawn to Labour and inspired by him , I know from my own experience that a significant number of lifelong Labour voters were alienated and voted Tory for the first time. Whether those people would vote Tory again is another matter - and perhaps holds the key to Corbyn's prospects of a majority next time.
Corbyn was a factor but the fact he neutralised Brexit as a campaigning tool for May stopped dead her plans for a landslide win to endorse her Brexit plans and then she managed to lose her majority by shooting her base in the foot with the disastrous dementia tax plan
May's contribution was obviously important but I always gained the impression that Brexit was viewed by most people as a highly technical issue - and in so far as it was relevant was 'water under the bridge'. The electorate had moved on by last summer!
I think you're right - it's only a small sad minority (including most of us on here) who are raelly that bothered about Brexit.
If a poor deal started to impact people's daily lives adversely that might be a different matter...
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
This discussion of car tariffs led me to look up car exports. Assuming this site is accurate, I was surprised to see the UK is the 5th largest car exporter, above S Korea and more than France and Italy combined. I presume a good deal of those go to the EU? (EDIT 56% to EU in 2016 apparently, 14.5% to US)
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
This discussion of car tariffs led me to look up car exports. Assuming this site is accurate, I was surprised to see the UK is the 5th largest car exporter, above S Korea and more than France and Italy combined. I presume a good deal of those go to the EU?
And none of the volume manufacturers are British owned.
It shows just how important inward capital investment is. If we were all rational economic actors, which of course we aren't, the key question for every political party at every election would be 'what effect will your policies have on inward capital investment?'
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
Nah, he'll apply it to us as well.
There's no guarantee of that.
Given the size of our car export market and Trump's desire for a trade war it seems likely we're going to get caught up in Trump's sights.
I doubt it, UK/US trade isn't particularly imbalanced, I doubt we'll get caught up in it. The issue is what the US/Trump see as unfair subsidies in other countries helping to hollow out US export industries.
Also, the US is a big enough market that the likes of BMV and VW won't be able to ignore. If the US slaps a tariff on German built cars the factories will just move to somewhere in the US. The simple fact is we don't export anywhere near the volume of vehicles to the US. It just means we're not on their radar.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
Nah, he'll apply it to us as well.
There's no guarantee of that.
Given the size of our car export market and Trump's desire for a trade war it seems likely we're going to get caught up in Trump's sights.
I doubt it, UK/US trade isn't particularly imbalanced, I doubt we'll get caught up in it. The issue is what the US/Trump see as unfair subsidies in other countries helping to hollow out US export industries.
Also, the US is a big enough market that the likes of BMV and VW won't be able to ignore. If the US slaps a tariff on German built cars the factories will just move to somewhere in the US. The simple fact is we don't export anywhere near the volume of vehicles to the US. It just means we're not on their radar.
You think they'd apply tarrifs based on which part of the (current) EU the cars came from?
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
Nah, he'll apply it to us as well.
There's no guarantee of that.
Given the size of our car export market and Trump's desire for a trade war it seems likely we're going to get caught up in Trump's sights.
I doubt it, UK/US trade isn't particularly imbalanced, I doubt we'll get caught up in it. The issue is what the US/Trump see as unfair subsidies in other countries helping to hollow out US export industries.
Also, the US is a big enough market that the likes of BMV and VW won't be able to ignore. If the US slaps a tariff on German built cars the factories will just move to somewhere in the US. The simple fact is we don't export anywhere near the volume of vehicles to the US. It just means we're not on their radar.
You think they'd apply tarrifs based on which part of the (current) EU the cars came from?
Tbh, I don't think they'll apply any tariffs. This is just sabre rattling from Trump so when he does take punitive action against Chinese imports and single them out against WTO rules, the other global players won't object.
However, if I'm wrong and they do it will be against the EU and by then we won't be in the EU.
What we need is a constituency poll from Bedford, because over the last three elections the swing there has been closest to the national average of any seat in Britain.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
Presumably once we've left the EU Trump's EU car tax won't apply to UK exports.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
Nah, he'll apply it to us as well.
There's no guarantee of that.
Given the size of our car export market and Trump's desire for a trade war it seems likely we're going to get caught up in Trump's sights.
I doubt it, UK/US trade isn't particularly imbalanced, I doubt we'll get caught up in it. The issue is what the US/Trump see as unfair subsidies in other countries helping to hollow out US export industries.
Also, the US is a big enough market that the likes of BMV and VW won't be able to ignore. If the US slaps a tariff on German built cars the factories will just move to somewhere in the US. The simple fact is we don't export anywhere near the volume of vehicles to the US. It just means we're not on their radar.
You think they'd apply tarrifs based on which part of the (current) EU the cars came from?
Tbh, I don't think they'll apply any tariffs. This is just sabre rattling from Trump so when he does take punitive action against Chinese imports and single them out against WTO rules, the other global players won't object.
However, if I'm wrong and they do it will be against the EU and by then we won't be in the EU.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
Not sure I would go that far - I will not vote for Boris or JRM whenever it comes about
What we need is a constituency poll from Bedford, because over the last three elections the swing there has been closest to the national average of any seat in Britain.
Did the polls in Bedford get the actual result right in Bedford - assuming there were any?
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
They’re talking about removing state aid rules so they can bung taxpayers’ money to housebuilders, as if they haven’t done enough of that already. Is is outrageous.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
A rule taker in so many sectors , even if she an get a customs arrangement .Different name same outcome big g.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
They’re talking about removing state aid rules so they can bung taxpayers’ money to housebuilders, as if they haven’t done enough of that already. Is is outrageous.
You really are selective - cut price loans to housebuilders to 'build council houses'
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
A rule taker in so many sectors , even if she an get a customs arrangement .Different name same outcome big g.
We will have control over our laws, borders and money and that is all that matters. Corbyn's custom union is the vassal state end product
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
To be fair , I have seen Conservative Brexit supporters on there , Ian Martin for example.Not this week , I grant you.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
To be fair , I have seen Conservative Brexit supporters on there , Ian Martin for example.Not this week , I grant you.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
A rule taker in so many sectors , even if she an get a customs arrangement .Different name same outcome big g.
That is the key to it. People are getting bored of Brexit. The illusion of change should keep people quiet.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
So were you pleased with her speech
Not really. It was the usual meaningless ambiguous platitudes.
It should keep the process going until she accepts the EU deal in all but minor detail, but that was always going to be the endgame.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
So were you pleased with her speech
Not really. It was the usual meaningless ambiguous platitudes.
It should keep the process going until she accepts the EU deal in all but minor detail, but that was always going to be the endgame.
50 billion euros will have to include more than minor detail or the Country will not agree payment
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
A rule taker in so many sectors , even if she an get a customs arrangement .Different name same outcome big g.
That is the key to it. People are getting bored of Brexit. The illusion of change should keep people quiet.
Yes , I agree the long transitioning, implementation period , will grind people even more into complete boredom.In that regard May is playing the long game for BINO, and is winning.
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
So were you pleased with her speech
Not really. It was the usual meaningless ambiguous platitudes.
It should keep the process going until she accepts the EU deal in all but minor detail, but that was always going to be the endgame.
50 billion euros will have to include more than minor detail or the Country will not agree payment
That sum just covers existing obligations and transition.
Anything else such as the EMA will require ongoing additional contributions. That is fine though, as it makes re-accession talks so much simpler.
Well getting to my rest time. I hope everyone has a good night.
Tomorrow night could be interesting with the Italy elections and the result of the SPD vote in Germany
And the Oscars!
A trade association awards dinner. Woopy-do.
About as important as Plumber of the Year.
If we do end up in a trade war with the US hopefully we'll stick a 500% tariff on Holywood dross and then people might shut up about it and all those 'Look at me! Look at me!' actors.
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
Well getting to my rest time. I hope everyone has a good night.
Tomorrow night could be interesting with the Italy elections and the result of the SPD vote in Germany
And the Oscars!
A trade association awards dinner. Woopy-do.
About as important as Plumber of the Year.
If we do end up in a trade war with the US hopefully we'll stick a 500% tariff on Holywood dross and then people might shut up about it and all those 'Look at me! Look at me!' actors.
Absolutely agree - the elite awarding the elite and the elite talking to the elite
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
So were you pleased with her speech
Not really. It was the usual meaningless ambiguous platitudes.
It should keep the process going until she accepts the EU deal in all but minor detail, but that was always going to be the endgame.
50 billion euros will have to include more than minor detail or the Country will not agree payment
That sum just covers existing obligations and transition.
Anything else such as the EMA will require ongoing additional contributions. That is fine though, as it makes re-accession talks so much simpler.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
To be fair , I have seen Conservative Brexit supporters on there , Ian Martin for example.Not this week , I grant you.
So sometimes they have 1 in 4 be Leavers rather than 0 in 4. The BBC has thrown any semblance of balance out the window on Brexit since the referendum was over. The papers review always has hardcore Remainers push the anti-Brexit framing. Just tonight they had Rachel Shabi claim that May losing Michael Heseltine showed massive splits in the Cabinet.
Well getting to my rest time. I hope everyone has a good night.
Tomorrow night could be interesting with the Italy elections and the result of the SPD vote in Germany
And the Oscars!
A trade association awards dinner. Woopy-do.
About as important as Plumber of the Year.
If we do end up in a trade war with the US hopefully we'll stick a 500% tariff on Holywood dross and then people might shut up about it and all those 'Look at me! Look at me!' actors.
Some interesting betting possibilities, and a good crop of films this year.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
To be fair , I have seen Conservative Brexit supporters on there , Ian Martin for example.Not this week , I grant you.
So sometimes they have 1 in 4 be Leavers rather than 0 in 4. The BBC has thrown any semblance of balance out the window on Brexit since the referendum was over. The papers review always has hardcore Remainers push the anti-Brexit framing. Just tonight they had Rachel Shabi claim that May losing Michael Heseltine showed massive splits in the Cabinet.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
Aligning so close in terms of regulation (requiring non UK oversight and adjudication) that we might as well stick in.
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
So were you pleased with her speech
Not really. It was the usual meaningless ambiguous platitudes.
It should keep the process going until she accepts the EU deal in all but minor detail, but that was always going to be the endgame.
50 billion euros will have to include more than minor detail or the Country will not agree payment
That sum just covers existing obligations and transition.
Anything else such as the EMA will require ongoing additional contributions. That is fine though, as it makes re-accession talks so much simpler.
And no trade deal no 50 billion
I think that you mean No Deal, no 50 Billion.
But as the Brexit deal needs to be signed off before the Trade Deal, that threat of nonpayment is pretty empty.
If the Trump administration had targeted its steel tariffs towards those who subsidised their steel industries - such as the Chinese - then you could say they were looking after their friends.
But the steel tariffs included Canada, which is (a) incredibly integrated economically with the US, (b) is probably a closer ally than the UK, and (c) is a member of a US dominated free trade area.
Why does Paisley Jr think that tariffs would not apply to us?
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
What we need is a constituency poll from Bedford, because over the last three elections the swing there has been closest to the national average of any seat in Britain.
Did the polls in Bedford get the actual result right in Bedford - assuming there were any?
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
Thank you, but unfortunately I had already seen that page: it hasn't been updated since 2007 and the parent site[1,2,3] hasn't been updated since 2013. Thrasher doesn't tweet, so am stuck
50 billion euros will have to include more than minor detail or the Country will not agree payment
Mr Wales, I think you are coming dangerously close to saying that the Country needs a referendum to ratify whatever this current inept Tory clique manages to negotiate.
Putin is a fascinating character. On the one hand, he regrets the collapse of the USSR, but by his actions, he has served to trash any remaining pro-Russian sentiment in the Baltic States, Ukraine and Georgia.
It’s like a Briton regretting Indian independence or imperial federation not getting off the ground. At some point, you have to move on. Privately he knows all this, but keeps his public statements the same to placate his supporters outside Moscow and St Petersburg.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
To be fair , I have seen Conservative Brexit supporters on there , Ian Martin for example.Not this week , I grant you.
So sometimes they have 1 in 4 be Leavers rather than 0 in 4. The BBC has thrown any semblance of balance out the window on Brexit since the referendum was over. The papers review always has hardcore Remainers push the anti-Brexit framing. Just tonight they had Rachel Shabi claim that May losing Michael Heseltine showed massive splits in the Cabinet.
Desperate stuff from labours hard left
I do find it imoressive how they introduce her just as a "journalist", without any mention of her pro-Corbyn, pro-Momentum views.
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
Thank you, but unfortunately I had already seen that page: it hasn't been updated since 2007 and the parent site[1,2,3] hasn't been updated since 2013. Thrasher doesn't tweet, so am stuck
One other thing about the tariff war, which is perhaps unwise from Donald J Trump.
The US government deficit is paid for by the Chinese, the Japanese and the Germans. I don't think in a million years, these groups would sell their holdings of US Treasuries, but what if they didn't roll then over at maturity? (Or what if they only rolled over half?) They could even say this was the consequence of US government fiscal policy and the risk of ballooning deficits.
This would put very significant upward pressure on interest rates, and on the cost of US debt service, making the tax cuts much harder to finance than previously planned.
Now might be a good time to short 10 year Treasuries*, given a little flexing of Chinese muscles in the next few weeks might have a big impact.
The truth is that we live in an inter-connected world. If you bash somebody by unilaterally putting tariffs on their products, they are likely to react. This will be bad for all of us.
Now, a question. Why did the Trump administration not simply announce that from 1 April 2018, the following US tariff schedule would be updated as follows, with increases in tariffs on steel/aluminium products for none-FTA partners of the US? It would have been completely legal, would have been in-line with existing treaties, and would have shown the US valued its friends.
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
Mr. Bridge, not sure whether to give this weight or not, but I was speaking to my mother the other day about something or other, and she raised Corbyn's love of the customs union as going down like a lead balloon in some parts of the North (one comment she mentioned was that a northern lefty had said Corbyn should be put up against the wall).
Suspect if it does have an effect it'll be to depress Labour turnout, mostly in areas they'll win easily anyway, rather than causing straight red to blue shifts.
I don’t agree. Political anoraks on PB, mainly because they’re based in the south of the UK, dont realise how unpopular Corbyn is in the north. Labour are going to lose seats in the midlands and the north at the next GE.
What we need is a constituency poll from Bedford, because over the last three elections the swing there has been closest to the national average of any seat in Britain.
Did the polls in Bedford get the actual result right in Bedford - assuming there were any?
There weren't any in 2017 AFAIK.
I looked at UKPR's Bedford subsite[1] and they didn't mention one. However YouGov published the output from their MRP model (which is a backformation from a national panel poll to the specific constituencies using each constituency's characteristics) so you can look up their Bedford prediction here:[2]
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
Er.. no it won’t.
And I voted remain.
It will probably mean an increase in paperwork for exporters (and importers), but other than that, I can't see much impact.
YouGov survey, commissioned by the campaign group Best for Britain, found that 64% of voters say the government is doing a bad job of negotiating. Even 47% of Tory voters agreed.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
Thank you, but unfortunately I had already seen that page: it hasn't been updated since 2007 and the parent site[1,2,3] hasn't been updated since 2013. Thrasher doesn't tweet, so am stuck
YouGov survey, commissioned by the campaign group Best for Britain, found that 64% of voters say the government is doing a bad job of negotiating. Even 47% of Tory voters agreed.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
Except out of the SM and CU
A rule taker in so many sectors , even if she an get a customs arrangement .Different name same outcome big g.
That is the key to it. People are getting bored of Brexit. The illusion of change should keep people quiet.
Yes , I agree the long transitioning, implementation period , will grind people even more into complete boredom.In that regard May is playing the long game for BINO, and is winning.
I get the sense that there is no long game. It is just a case of surviving from day to day and kicking the can down the road.
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
Er.. no it won’t.
And I voted remain.
Whether you voted Remain is neither here nor there, I'm afraid. Each of the "four freedoms" to extent they are removed will come with forms to fill in, documents to supply and fees to pay.
Here are some new red tape and fees for movement of goods and people, per Dutch government research:
- approx €100 customs processing cost per consignment, rising to €725 for the more intensive veterinary checks on raw animal products. - conformity assessment €3000 per product - €250 - €500 per product per year for REACH registration. - installing systems for foreign market trading - up to €50 000 - up to €4000 one off costs for cross border accountancy - EU visa waiver system €10
These are in addition to any tariffs that might apply, depending on an FTA arrangement.
Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Doesn't that suggest that Labour would be better off not having a firm position if they under-perform their current polling in both cases?
Quick question: is Michael Thrasher still on the faculty at Plymouth? His staff page on the website is absent. Has he been seduced by the dark side and gone across to Sky full-time? (he's Sky's Elections Analyst)
Thank you, but unfortunately I had already seen that page: it hasn't been updated since 2007 and the parent site[1,2,3] hasn't been updated since 2013. Thrasher doesn't tweet, so am stuck
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
Mr. Bridge, not sure whether to give this weight or not, but I was speaking to my mother the other day about something or other, and she raised Corbyn's love of the customs union as going down like a lead balloon in some parts of the North (one comment she mentioned was that a northern lefty had said Corbyn should be put up against the wall).
Suspect if it does have an effect it'll be to depress Labour turnout, mostly in areas they'll win easily anyway, rather than causing straight red to blue shifts.
I don’t agree. Political anoraks on PB, mainly because they’re based in the south of the UK, dont realise how unpopular Corbyn is in the north. Labour are going to lose seats in the midlands and the north at the next GE.
Mike Smithson er al, please note this prediction.
The cross tabs in Fridays yougov on regional support for Corbyns Brexit policy showed it going down better in Wales, Midlands and North than in South ex London. Subsamples of course, but what more than anecdotes do you have to substantiate your claim?
Apart from PB, I am yet to encounter anyone bothered by CU either way.
If the Trump administration had targeted its steel tariffs towards those who subsidised their steel industries - such as the Chinese - then you could say they were looking after their friends.
But the steel tariffs included Canada, which is (a) incredibly integrated economically with the US, (b) is probably a closer ally than the UK, and (c) is a member of a US dominated free trade area.
Why does Paisley Jr think that tariffs would not apply to us?
Seems like he’s forgotten about Bombardier already.
Trump’s policies are profoundly damaging to UK interests.
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
Er.. no it won’t.
And I voted remain.
Whether you voted Remain is neither here nor there, I'm afraid. Each of the "four freedoms" to extent they are removed will come with forms to fill in, documents to supply and fees to pay.
Here are some new red tape and fees for movement of goods and people, per Dutch government research:
- approx €100 customs processing cost per consignment, rising to €725 for the more intensive veterinary checks on raw animal products. - conformity assessment €3000 per product - €250 - €500 per product per year for REACH registration. - installing systems for foreign market trading - up to €50 000 - up to €4000 one off costs for cross border accountancy - EU visa waiver system €10
These are in addition to any tariffs that might apply, depending on an FTA arrangement.
I help firms outside the EU get goods into it as a job. This list is just a sample of the red tape we have coming.
YouGov survey, commissioned by the campaign group Best for Britain, found that 64% of voters say the government is doing a bad job of negotiating. Even 47% of Tory voters agreed.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
So Labour is fucked at the next election, the only question is with or without lube.
No, what this shows is that the Tories have an edge if the choice of party is specifically linked to Brexit. It's rather unlikely that it will be - unless there's an early eleciton.
Well at least the Tories are completely united, eh?
Better than they were - Nicky Morgan and Sarah Wollaston on same page as JRM is quite an achievement by TM
I tend to agree, although it has to be said it's a page with little of substance written on it at the moment. But anything that helps avoid the chaos of a hard-brexit crash has to be welcomed.
TM rejected WTO in her speech and clearly has warned both sides that they will have to compromise.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I read the text rather than listened to the speech and it didn't seem that complex or detailed to me but it was certainly one of her better speeches.
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
She seems to be prepping the ground for BINO, so should be tolerable.
I agree , transition , implementation , will be a long period.The foreign correspondents on Dateline London were saying all this effort to change only the badge.
Dateline is a disgrace - it is singularly the most anti Brexit programme the BBC put on - never any balance
To be fair , I have seen Conservative Brexit supporters on there , Ian Martin for example.Not this week , I grant you.
So sometimes they have 1 in 4 be Leavers rather than 0 in 4. The BBC has thrown any semblance of balance out the window on Brexit since the referendum was over. The papers review always has hardcore Remainers push the anti-Brexit framing. Just tonight they had Rachel Shabi claim that May losing Michael Heseltine showed massive splits in the Cabinet.
Funnily enough, arch-Remainers say the BBC is biased in favour of Brexit. Maybe both sides are too biased to make an objective assessment. Just a thought.
YouGov survey, commissioned by the campaign group Best for Britain, found that 64% of voters say the government is doing a bad job of negotiating. Even 47% of Tory voters agreed.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
So Labour is fucked at the next election, the only question is with or without lube.
No, what this shows is that the Tories have an edge if the choice of party is specifically linked to Brexit. It's rather unlikely that it will be - unless there's an early eleciton.
Which also suggests that the Tories shouldn't actually want Brexit to be "sorted" (whether successfully or not) by the time of the next election, because it takes away the strongest rationale for voting for them - at the last election, people preferred Labour on most non-Brexit policies.
YouGov survey, commissioned by the campaign group Best for Britain, found that 64% of voters say the government is doing a bad job of negotiating. Even 47% of Tory voters agreed.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
So Labour is fucked at the next election, the only question is with or without lube.
No, what this shows is that the Tories have an edge if the choice of party is specifically linked to Brexit. It's rather unlikely that it will be - unless there's an early eleciton.
Which also suggests that the Tories shouldn't actually want Brexit to be "sorted" (whether successfully or not) by the time of the next election, because it takes away the strongest rationale for voting for them - at the last election, people preferred Labour on most non-Brexit policies.
Hm, that's not what the polls suggested when they asked about the various manifestos (although this could be due to it being limited to a certain subset of policies?)
YouGov survey, commissioned by the campaign group Best for Britain, found that 64% of voters say the government is doing a bad job of negotiating. Even 47% of Tory voters agreed.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
So Labour is fucked at the next election, the only question is with or without lube.
No, what this shows is that the Tories have an edge if the choice of party is specifically linked to Brexit. It's rather unlikely that it will be - unless there's an early eleciton.
Interesting to watch the far left falling out currently over the Labour GS role, isn’t it? History does have a habit of repeating itself. And shocking anti-Semitism aimed at Jon Lansman.
The only critics are the ultra remainers and they cannot accept that we will leave the EU.
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
Whatever Brexit is and isn't, it will come with an explosion of red tape.
Er.. no it won’t.
And I voted remain.
Whether you voted Remain is neither here nor there, I'm afraid. Each of the "four freedoms" to extent they are removed will come with forms to fill in, documents to supply and fees to pay.
Here are some new red tape and fees for movement of goods and people, per Dutch government research:
- approx €100 customs processing cost per consignment, rising to €725 for the more intensive veterinary checks on raw animal products. - conformity assessment €3000 per product - €250 - €500 per product per year for REACH registration. - installing systems for foreign market trading - up to €50 000 - up to €4000 one off costs for cross border accountancy - EU visa waiver system €10
These are in addition to any tariffs that might apply, depending on an FTA arrangement.
The idea that we can ever rid ourselves of red tape is a recurring fantasy that has obsessed government for three decades. Red tape is largely a consequence of life getting ever more complex, in response to changes in the economy. Every time the government do anything to try and solve a problem, they inadvertently create more red tape.
In my view, most of the EU 'red tape' that enrages politicians so much is derived from state aid rules and procurement, which May has said we will keep, Similarly, environmental rules, which again, we have said that we will keep.
Red tape = rules and processes, inevitable in a post industrial rules based society.
The customs stuff is going to get more complicated, as is getting visas and queing in airports. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, in my view, in serious denial.
Mr. Bridge, not sure whether to give this weight or not, but I was speaking to my mother the other day about something or other, and she raised Corbyn's love of the customs union as going down like a lead balloon in some parts of the North (one comment she mentioned was that a northern lefty had said Corbyn should be put up against the wall).
Suspect if it does have an effect it'll be to depress Labour turnout, mostly in areas they'll win easily anyway, rather than causing straight red to blue shifts.
I don’t agree. Political anoraks on PB, mainly because they’re based in the south of the UK, dont realise how unpopular Corbyn is in the north. Labour are going to lose seats in the midlands and the north at the next GE.
Mike Smithson er al, please note this prediction.
The cross tabs in Fridays yougov on regional support for Corbyns Brexit policy showed it going down better in Wales, Midlands and North than in South ex London. Subsamples of course, but what more than anecdotes do you have to substantiate your claim?
Apart from PB, I am yet to encounter anyone bothered by CU either way.
Yup. All those leave voters in the West Midlands just dying to be part of the customs union.
It is possible to over-intellectualise these things. Not of course something that a man like Keir Starme would ever do...
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It would be a very hard hit to some higher end UK manufacturers, jobs would move to the US to maintain sales.
Also makes the UK market even more important for the German auto industry.
http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/
Germany: US$151.9 billion (21.8% of total car exports)
Japan: $91.9 billion (13.2%)
United States: $53.8 billion (7.7%)
Canada: $48.8 billion (7%)
United Kingdom: $41.3 billion (5.9%)
South Korea: $37.5 billion (5.4%)
Spain: $35.6 billion (5.1%)
Mexico: $31.4 billion (4.5%)
Belgium: $30.3 billion (4.3%)
Czech Republic: $18.8 billion (2.7%)
France: $18.4 billion (2.6%)
Slovakia: $15.5 billion (2.2%)
Italy: $15.2 billion (2.2%)
Thailand: $11.6 billion (1.7%)
Hungary: $11.1 billion (1.6%)
If a poor deal started to impact people's daily lives adversely that might be a different matter...
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/970051046319026176
It shows just how important inward capital investment is. If we were all rational economic actors, which of course we aren't, the key question for every political party at every election would be 'what effect will your policies have on inward capital investment?'
Also, the US is a big enough market that the likes of BMV and VW won't be able to ignore. If the US slaps a tariff on German built cars the factories will just move to somewhere in the US. The simple fact is we don't export anywhere near the volume of vehicles to the US. It just means we're not on their radar.
However, if I'm wrong and they do it will be against the EU and by then we won't be in the EU.
Listening to her speech I was amazed at the technical detail she went into and her overall knowledge of the subject. She lost me on the complexities at times but she is our best hope of a sensible compromise solution
I tend to agree, she may well be our best option for a sensible compromise solution (especially given the alternatives for the foreseeable time period are likely to be Tory hard-brexiteers).
I wonder if she's won TSE over yet?
https://twitter.com/ianpaisleymp/status/969995815338037249?s=21
The Sunday Telegraph lists some of the red tape that will go on leaving and if the public knew Brussels has such power over our decisions, leave would walk it. It is outrageous
It will make rejoining so much easier, and should mean less decline of trade.
It should keep the process going until she accepts the EU deal in all but minor detail, but that was always going to be the endgame.
Tomorrow night could be interesting with the Italy elections and the result of the SPD vote in Germany
Anything else such as the EMA will require ongoing additional contributions. That is fine though, as it makes re-accession talks so much simpler.
About as important as Plumber of the Year.
If we do end up in a trade war with the US hopefully we'll stick a 500% tariff on Holywood dross and then people might shut up about it and all those 'Look at me! Look at me!' actors.
But as the Brexit deal needs to be signed off before the Trade Deal, that threat of nonpayment is pretty empty.
If the Trump administration had targeted its steel tariffs towards those who subsidised their steel industries - such as the Chinese - then you could say they were looking after their friends.
But the steel tariffs included Canada, which is (a) incredibly integrated economically with the US, (b) is probably a closer ally than the UK, and (c) is a member of a US dominated free trade area.
Why does Paisley Jr think that tariffs would not apply to us?
[1] http://www1.plymouth.ac.uk/research/ceres/tec/Pages/default.aspx
[2] http://www6.plymouth.ac.uk/pages/view.asp?page=16182
[3] http://www6.plymouth.ac.uk/pages/view.asp?page=16190
Putin is a fascinating character. On the one hand, he regrets the collapse of the USSR, but by his actions, he has served to trash any remaining pro-Russian sentiment in the Baltic States, Ukraine and Georgia.
It’s like a Briton regretting Indian independence or imperial federation not getting off the ground. At some point, you have to move on. Privately he knows all this, but keeps his public statements the same to placate his supporters outside Moscow and St Petersburg.
The US government deficit is paid for by the Chinese, the Japanese and the Germans. I don't think in a million years, these groups would sell their holdings of US Treasuries, but what if they didn't roll then over at maturity? (Or what if they only rolled over half?) They could even say this was the consequence of US government fiscal policy and the risk of ballooning deficits.
This would put very significant upward pressure on interest rates, and on the cost of US debt service, making the tax cuts much harder to finance than previously planned.
Now might be a good time to short 10 year Treasuries*, given a little flexing of Chinese muscles in the next few weeks might have a big impact.
The truth is that we live in an inter-connected world. If you bash somebody by unilaterally putting tariffs on their products, they are likely to react. This will be bad for all of us.
Now, a question. Why did the Trump administration not simply announce that from 1 April 2018, the following US tariff schedule would be updated as follows, with increases in tariffs on steel/aluminium products for none-FTA partners of the US? It would have been completely legal, would have been in-line with existing treaties, and would have shown the US valued its friends.
* NOT INVESTMENT ADVICE
Mike Smithson er al, please note this prediction.
[1] http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/bedford/
[2] https://gist.github.com/jblumenau/36b17554a36bd0ba405588aa55d331b0
Er.. no it won’t.
And I voted remain.
In better news for May, 34% agree with her plan to leave the customs union while only 31% back Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to stay in it. But the polling suggests that Labour could win votes if it opposes Brexit. Voters give the Conservatives a 10-percentage-point lead at the next election if the opposition backs Brexit and a five-point lead if Labour opposes it.
Eloise Todd, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: “This should be a wake-up call for Labour. Seats are there for the taking if Labour stiffen opposition to Brexit.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/theresa-mays-chief-of-staff-gavin-barwell-tried-to-kneecap-boris-johnson-2wp5sgzs2
Here are some new red tape and fees for movement of goods and people, per Dutch government research:
- approx €100 customs processing cost per consignment, rising to €725 for the more intensive veterinary checks on raw animal products.
- conformity assessment €3000 per product
- €250 - €500 per product per year for REACH registration.
- installing systems for foreign market trading - up to €50 000
- up to €4000 one off costs for cross border accountancy
- EU visa waiver system €10
These are in addition to any tariffs that might apply, depending on an FTA arrangement.
Apart from PB, I am yet to encounter anyone bothered by CU either way.
Trump’s policies are profoundly damaging to UK interests.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/22/how-popular-are-parties-manifesto-policies/
In my view, most of the EU 'red tape' that enrages politicians so much is derived from state aid rules and procurement, which May has said we will keep, Similarly, environmental rules, which again, we have said that we will keep.
Red tape = rules and processes, inevitable in a post industrial rules based society.
The customs stuff is going to get more complicated, as is getting visas and queing in airports. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, in my view, in serious denial.
It is possible to over-intellectualise these things. Not of course something that a man like Keir Starme would ever do...