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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Another Lib Dem revival? It's like folk music. Just when you think it's dead and buried it makes an unexpected comeback.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,491

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789
    DavidL said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The Commonwealth is a phantasm. The original mistake was to allow India to remain a member, despite becoming a republic. It was a great example of our establishment refusing to recognise that granting independence to the colonies did not mean the conversion of British power into influence, but in reality its utter collapse. Other delusions followed, most noticeably granting the privileges of citizenship to people from states that had rejected meaningful association and cooperation with the U.K.

    It is fantastical nonsense, and it should be wound up when the Queen dies.

    I couldn’t disagree more with this.

    I think it’s a powerful network of a family of nations that share much in common that will become of increasing relevance and importance as time goes on, which explains why non-ex British colonies are interested in joining.
    How many Commonwealth countries say homosexuality is illegal? Was it 37? What do we have in common exactly?
    Not a lot, other than having been ruled by the British. But, the organisation does no harm that I can see,
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,491
    edited April 2018
    Fenman said:

    Another Lib Dem revival? It's like folk music. Just when you think it's dead and buried it makes an unexpected comeback.

    LDs usually do better in the Locals than GE, but I think that it will be a long slow road back.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,010
    edited April 2018
    Fenman said:

    Another Lib Dem revival? It's like folk music. Just when you think it's dead and buried it makes an unexpected comeback.

    I'm picturing Paddy Ashdown cupping his ear, singing "I will eat my hat" to the tune of Steeleye Span's biggest hit.
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    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    The way this is dealt with will be key and even today Windrush victims have been very pleased for the speed their issue has been dealt with
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    Nothing tugs harder at the heartstrings than a disenfranchised effnik....
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789

    DavidL said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The Commonwealth is a phantasm. The original mistake was to allow India to remain a member, despite becoming a republic. It was a great example of our establishment refusing to recognise that granting independence to the colonies did not mean the conversion of British power into influence, but in reality its utter collapse. Other delusions followed, most noticeably granting the privileges of citizenship to people from states that had rejected meaningful association and cooperation with the U.K.

    It is fantastical nonsense, and it should be wound up when the Queen dies.

    I couldn’t disagree more with this.

    I think it’s a powerful network of a family of nations that share much in common that will become of increasing relevance and importance as time goes on, which explains why non-ex British colonies are interested in joining.
    How many Commonwealth countries say homosexuality is illegal? Was it 37? What do we have in common exactly?
    In fairness a lot of that is inherited from British Colonial law - take South East Asia - ex-British Singapore and Malaysia maintain colonial era statutes, neighbouring Indonesia (Dutch) never had them in the first place (though unfortunately in Aceh newly has some).
    France decriminalised homosexually in 1791. So, it was never illegal in the French Empire, but a lot of French colonies made it a criminal offence, when they attained independence. It's fair to say that countries that criminalise homosexuality do so because they think it's the right thing to do, not because it's a holdover from colonial times.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2018
    Vote transfer docs are now available for the Scottish by election both Labour and Lib Dems transferred more towards the SNP candidate than the Tory. This is a reverse of general results in 2017, don't know about the council area specifically.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,491
    edited April 2018
    TGOHF said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    Nothing tugs harder at the heartstrings than a disenfranchised effnik....
    If they're Black, send 'em back?

    Ted Heath sacked Enoch Powell for suggesting it, Theresa made it policy...

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    Guardian readers are unlikely to be Conservative supporters.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    Nothing tugs harder at the heartstrings than a disenfranchised effnik....
    If they're Black, send 'em back?

    Ted Heath sacked Enoch Powell for suggesting it, Theresa made it policy...

    Compared to a 14 yo girl in care in Rotherham they have had a life of luxury.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    It headlined the Itv news as 10.again tonight. Imo and from meeting with friends , they are talking about this above anything else at the moment.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,570
    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The Commonwealth is a phantasm. The original mistake was to allow India to remain a member, despite becoming a republic. It was a great example of our establishment refusing to recognise that granting independence to the colonies did not mean the conversion of British power into influence, but in reality its utter collapse. Other delusions followed, most noticeably granting the privileges of citizenship to people from states that had rejected meaningful association and cooperation with the U.K.

    It is fantastical nonsense, and it should be wound up when the Queen dies.

    I couldn’t disagree more with this.

    I think it’s a powerful network of a family of nations that share much in common that will become of increasing relevance and importance as time goes on, which explains why non-ex British colonies are interested in joining.
    How many Commonwealth countries say homosexuality is illegal? Was it 37? What do we have in common exactly?
    In fairness a lot of that is inherited from British Colonial law - take South East Asia - ex-British Singapore and Malaysia maintain colonial era statutes, neighbouring Indonesia (Dutch) never had them in the first place (though unfortunately in Aceh newly has some).
    France decriminalised homosexually in 1791. So, it was never illegal in the French Empire, but a lot of French colonies made it a criminal offence, when they attained independence. It's fair to say that countries that criminalise homosexuality do so because they think it's the right thing to do, not because it's a holdover from colonial times.
    No former British colonies had to criminalise homosexuality because it was already on the statute book - admitting that in our lectures to them might be more persuasive than a tone of moral superiority....
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789

    Sean_F said:

    DavidL said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The Commonwealth is a phantasm. The original mistake was to allow India to remain a member, despite becoming a republic. It was a great example of our establishment refusing to recognise that granting independence to the colonies did not mean the conversion of British power into influence, but in reality its utter collapse. Other delusions followed, most noticeably granting the privileges of citizenship to people from states that had rejected meaningful association and cooperation with the U.K.

    It is fantastical nonsense, and it should be wound up when the Queen dies.

    I couldn’t disagree more with this.

    I think it’s a powerful network of a family of nations that share much in common that will become of increasing relevance and importance as time goes on, which explains why non-ex British colonies are interested in joining.
    How many Commonwealth countries say homosexuality is illegal? Was it 37? What do we have in common exactly?
    In fairness a lot of that is inherited from British Colonial law - take South East Asia - ex-British Singapore and Malaysia maintain colonial era statutes, neighbouring Indonesia (Dutch) never had them in the first place (though unfortunately in Aceh newly has some).
    France decriminalised homosexually in 1791. So, it was never illegal in the French Empire, but a lot of French colonies made it a criminal offence, when they attained independence. It's fair to say that countries that criminalise homosexuality do so because they think it's the right thing to do, not because it's a holdover from colonial times.
    No former British colonies had to criminalise homosexuality because it was already on the statute book - admitting that in our lectures to them might be more persuasive than a tone of moral superiority....
    Lecturing them is probably pointless. We don't like lectures from foreigners about aspects of our laws that they find repugnant, so we should assume that they will react as we do.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Alistair said:

    Vote transfer docs are now available for the Scottish by election both Labour and Lib Dems transferred more towards the SNP candidate than the Tory. This is a reverse of general results in 2017, don't know about the council area specifically.

    It may be that the votes had pre-transferred? That is, that weak LD/Lab-identifying unionists voted Con on the first preference, despite not needing to.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    Guardian readers are unlikely to be Conservative supporters.
    True , but when the mail agrees with the guardian as with Stephen Lawrence murder.Then it is on a differing scale.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    The way this is dealt with will be key and even today Windrush victims have been very pleased for the speed their issue has been dealt with
    These people need to be seriously compensated.
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    Dan Hodges on the paper review has just said it is wrong but he also made the point that a 'hostile attitude' was created to illegal immigrants by labour ( remember the red mugs) and continued by the conservatives in response to the outcry from the public and that the commentariat need to be cautious as immigration, both illegal and controlled, is the top issue for a huge number of people.

    Ellie Mae O'Hagan alongside him, agreed saying that she has evidenced this attitude in 'new labour' and she is a Corbynite
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Foxy said:

    Fenman said:

    Another Lib Dem revival? It's like folk music. Just when you think it's dead and buried it makes an unexpected comeback.

    LDs usually do better in the Locals than GE, but I think that it will be a long slow road back.
    The lib Dems seem to do better when the administration in power is Labour as in 1974-9 and 1997 -2010
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,044
    I'm certainly not one to sneer at the Commonwealth but what exactly does it do? Perhaps in it's own small way it makes the world a better place but the bedrock of our foreign policy? Seriously? I also think we need to remember that our relationship with most of these countries is somewhat complicated.

    That said the continual goodwill of the 'ANZAC' countries is nice to see.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Is Ruth Davidson going to stand for Westminster at the next election?
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    I'm certainly not one to sneer at the Commonwealth but what exactly does it do? Perhaps in it's own small way it makes the world a better place but the bedrock of our foreign policy? Seriously? I also think we need to remember that our relationship with most of these countries is somewhat complicated.

    That said the continual goodwill of the 'ANZAC' countries is nice to see.

    Five eyes being vital to our security
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Dan Hodges on the paper review has just said it is wrong but he also made the point that a 'hostile attitude' was created to illegal immigrants by labour ( remember the red mugs) and continued by the conservatives in response to the outcry from the public and that the commentariat need to be cautious as immigration, both illegal and controlled, is the top issue for a huge number of people.

    Ellie Mae O'Hagan alongside him, agreed saying that she has evidenced this attitude in 'new labour' and she is a Corbynite

    Your party is in power , it needs to be sorted not whataboutery .Your using the same arguments Corbyn supporters use.
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    nielh said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    The succession after HMQ offers a once in a lifetime opportunity to rejig the Commonwealth into anything other than a piece of ceremonial fustian. The acceptance of Charlie boy nem. con. as next in line suggests that there is not even a minority faction within the membership with any interest in transforming it into something useful.

    The Commonwealths only real links are historical with the British, and that not always salubrious. It is not a trading block.

    Mind you, a social talking shop has its merits, for some of these countries it is their only moment on an international stage.
    And there was a lot of talk by TM about addressing climate change, education, and eliminating malaria

    She seems to have been received well by the leaders and of course, the UK host the organisation for the next two years
    She does have the negative Midas touch, turning everything to base lead! Windrush dominating the news al week, with TM in the frame.
    Yes but I doubt it has made much difference just as Corbyn's running out of the debate on anti semitic attitudes in his party, as his female mps sob in distress
    https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/987058036425490433?s=19
    The way this is dealt with will be key and even today Windrush victims have been very pleased for the speed their issue has been dealt with
    These people need to be seriously compensated.
    TM announced that compensation will be awarded at the Commonwealth conference in questions after the speeches. Also the Caribbean Countries praised her in their speeches
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    AndyJS said:

    Is Ruth Davidson going to stand for Westminster at the next election?

    Depends on Holyrood 2021 elections and if she can acquire a safe seat
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,197
    Alistair said:

    Vote transfer docs are now available for the Scottish by election

    "We must be SAD. Literally SAD!" :lol:
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,789

    Dan Hodges on the paper review has just said it is wrong but he also made the point that a 'hostile attitude' was created to illegal immigrants by labour ( remember the red mugs) and continued by the conservatives in response to the outcry from the public and that the commentariat need to be cautious as immigration, both illegal and controlled, is the top issue for a huge number of people.

    Ellie Mae O'Hagan alongside him, agreed saying that she has evidenced this attitude in 'new labour' and she is a Corbynite

    A sensible government ought to be making life difficult for people who have broken our immigration laws.
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    Yorkcity said:

    Dan Hodges on the paper review has just said it is wrong but he also made the point that a 'hostile attitude' was created to illegal immigrants by labour ( remember the red mugs) and continued by the conservatives in response to the outcry from the public and that the commentariat need to be cautious as immigration, both illegal and controlled, is the top issue for a huge number of people.

    Ellie Mae O'Hagan alongside him, agreed saying that she has evidenced this attitude in 'new labour' and she is a Corbynite

    Your party is in power , it needs to be sorted not whataboutery .Your using the same arguments Corbyn supporters use.
    It is being sorted and will be resolved. No one, especially me, has had anything other than revulsion over this and I have been vocal on this forum for days including suggesting Amber Rudd needs to consider her position, before Corbyn at PMQ's saved her career.

    And by the way are you suggesting labour did not first introduce the hostile policy as this has been well documented over the last few days
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited April 2018
    DavidL said:

    The report that @Scott_P had for the Highland ward was ultimately a swing from SNP to Tory of 1.9% which might suggest that the Tories are still squeezing those unionist votes. I calculated that this was worth +77 votes on 2017 compared to Pete Wishart's Parliamentary majority of 21.

    Long way to the next election but that seat continues to look very vulnerable.

    This is why Pete Wishart has been trying to row back from having another Independence Referendum anytime soon, and in the process he has certainly upset some of the party faithful. He obviously thinks this is a price worth paying in an attempt to hang onto the seat, but if the SNP refuse to put constitutional grudge and grievance on the back burner and start getting on with the day job, he is toast at the next GE.

    Its also interesting that the SNP Deputy Leadership contest has turned out to be such a damp squib, its almost as if anyone with real ambitions to lead the party in the future does not want to be too closely associated with Nicola Sturgeon and her team as her popularity continues to wane.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,010
    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,318
    AndyJS said:

    Canadian polls all over the place, from a 7 point Tory lead to a 12 point Liberal one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_43rd_Canadian_federal_election

    Pretty consistent correlation there between online polling and Tory leads. Not sure why.
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    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Great news - Nobel peace prize for Trump
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Twitter

    Britain Elects@britainelects

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 43% (+3)
    LAB: 38% (-2)
    LDEM: 8% (-1)

    via @YouGov, 16 - 17 Apr
    Chgs vs 10 Apr
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    You could see the anger and disbelief as Emily Thornberry deivered the Kremlin line in Question Time last night
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955
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    RobD said:
    Or right wing conspiratorial corporatism against the righteous ones... Hard to know.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,570
    Only 72 per cent of present Labour voters say that Mr Corbyn would make the best prime minister, with 27 per cent not sure, while 89 per cent of Tories choose Mrs May. In a sign that Mr Corbyn’s grip on Labour may be weakening, only 58 per cent of people who voted Labour in the general election last year said that they would choose him as the next prime minister.
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    You could see the anger and disbelief as Emily Thornberry deivered the Kremlin line in Question Time last night
    And that's a qt audience..
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    You gov - top issues

    Brexit
    NHS
    Immigration

    +TM now up at 39% - Corbyn down at 24%
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    What's Trump going to call Kim Jong Un now, The Dictator formerly known as Little Rocket Man?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    What's Trump going to call Kim Jong Un now, The Dictator formerly known as Little Rocket Man?

    My Friend.....

    (...he seems rather short of them right now!)
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,127
    DavidL said:



    I wasn’t talking about autarkies but about economies where the rules of cause and effect break down. Labour is only 1 example. How does an increase in investment push up the cost of borrowing when the supply of capital is infinite? How does a government increase domestic demand when so much can leak away into imports? When goods are increasingly virtual how do you create a shortage or drive up prices? The conventional tools to control an economy are increasingly redundant.

    Taking your points in order.

    "The rules of cause and effect" are to do with what is exogenous and what endogenous. In other words how you understand the interactions between markets.

    Yes, an infinitely elastic supply of capital implies that the cost of borrowing cannot rise with increased investment demand. But there's another dimension to investment demand besides its volume, namely its risk. The supply of capital cannot be infinitely elastic in that dimension else all sorts of hare-brained projects would be financed.

    On domestic demand and leakages your position seems to be that the marginal propensity to import is now much higher than it used to be. I don't know of any study that supports that. Remember more of the economy is service based than it used to be, and that tends to have a low import content.

    Virtual goods which can be reproduced at zero cost are made "scarce" by artificial devices like patents and copyright. This is short-term suboptimal but necessary to incentivise new production. A new model for these kinds of products is free provision by a monopoly as a vehicle for advertising (as per Spotify, Facebook). I think that is genuinely new.

    The conventional tools to control the macroeconomy are taxes, public spending and money/interest rates. I believe they are all still effective, not redundant. The fact that the short term interest rate is stuck near to zero is a reflection of monetary policy i.e. quantitative easing. It is unconventional certainly, but ineffective? I don't think so.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    fitalass said:

    Twitter

    Britain Elects@britainelects

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 43% (+3)
    LAB: 38% (-2)
    LDEM: 8% (-1)

    via @YouGov, 16 - 17 Apr
    Chgs vs 10 Apr

    A return to post-Easter polling normality.....

    JCWNBPM.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    fitalass said:

    Twitter

    Britain Elects@britainelects

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 43% (+3)
    LAB: 38% (-2)
    LDEM: 8% (-1)

    via @YouGov, 16 - 17 Apr
    Chgs vs 10 Apr

    Tick tock.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,570

    What's Trump going to call Kim Jong Un now, The Dictator formerly known as Little Rocket Man?

    My Friend.....

    (...he seems rather short of them right now!)
    Nonsense! His best mate Macron is soon over on a state visit....
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,318
    Good Tory poll, but I'm sceptical of the sudden change in a not obviously good week for them - let's see if it's confirmed by others.

    O/T: the cross-party animal welfare fans here may like this:

    https://action.ciwf.org.uk/page/21647/petition/1
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279

    Good Tory poll, but I'm sceptical of the sudden change in a not obviously good week for them - let's see if it's confirmed by others.

    O/T: the cross-party animal welfare fans here may like this:

    https://action.ciwf.org.uk/page/21647/petition/1

    I genuinely think its been a worse few weeks for Labour on all fronts, the party is imploding and Corbyn is showing no Leadership and that appears to be filtering through to the public.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    Good Tory poll, but I'm sceptical of the sudden change in a not obviously good week for them - let's see if it's confirmed by others.

    O/T: the cross-party animal welfare fans here may like this:

    https://action.ciwf.org.uk/page/21647/petition/1

    Not great for the Tories maybe, but wretched for Labour generally and Corbyn specifically.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2018
    fitalass said:

    Twitter

    Britain Elects@britainelects

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 43% (+3)
    LAB: 38% (-2)
    LDEM: 8% (-1)

    via @YouGov, 16 - 17 Apr
    Chgs vs 10 Apr

    The polls seem to be all over the place at the moment. Looking forward to real votes being counted at the local elections so we can find out what's going on.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Good Tory poll, but I'm sceptical of the sudden change in a not obviously good week for them - let's see if it's confirmed by others.

    O/T: the cross-party animal welfare fans here may like this:

    https://action.ciwf.org.uk/page/21647/petition/1

    Fieldwork done Mon/Tues, so the full Windrush deportations story won't have run through. That said, while it's an awful failure by the government, I don't think it'll prompt many votes to change hands.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,570
    AndyJS said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter

    Britain Elects@britainelects

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 43% (+3)
    LAB: 38% (-2)
    LDEM: 8% (-1)

    via @YouGov, 16 - 17 Apr
    Chgs vs 10 Apr

    The polls seem to be all over the place at the moment. Looking forward to real votes being counted at the local elections so we can find out what's going on.
    That was a great predictor last year!
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Maybe this president will actually deserve an actual noble peace prize.... this is Trump’s glory.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited April 2018

    Good Tory poll, but I'm sceptical of the sudden change in a not obviously good week for them - let's see if it's confirmed by others.

    O/T: the cross-party animal welfare fans here may like this:

    https://action.ciwf.org.uk/page/21647/petition/1

    Fieldwork done Mon/Tues, so the full Windrush deportations story won't have run through. That said, while it's an awful failure by the government, I don't think it'll prompt many votes to change hands.
    Agreed, the Windrush issue has been a decades long failure for the Home Office under various Governments, culminating in the disastrous decision to destroy the only paper work that proved these children had been granted British citizenship all those years ago when they arrived in the country. Both May and Rudd have apologised unreservedly. Its now up to the Home Office to finally get its act together, respond quickly to make sure that all those effected are now all provided with a British passport free of charge while suitable compensation is given to anyone who has suffered hardship or distress because of their bloody minded intransigence and failure to sort this problem out years ago.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,976



    I think it’s a powerful network of a family of nations that share much in common that will become of increasing relevance and importance as time goes on, which explains why non-ex British colonies are interested in joining.

    It's a family in the same way the Fritzls were.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    notme said:

    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Maybe this president will actually deserve an actual noble peace prize.... this is Trump’s glory.
    Can you imagine the howls of anguish from some of Trump's loudest critics at home and abroad if he managed to pull it off? He would also be absolutely unbearable if he did it!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955
    fitalass said:

    notme said:

    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Maybe this president will actually deserve an actual noble peace prize.... this is Trump’s glory.
    Can you imagine the howls of anguish from some of Trump's loudest critics at home and abroad if he managed to pull it off? He would also be absolutely unbearable if he did it!
    Korea in the first term, Israel and Palestine in the second? :D
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,010
    RobD said:

    fitalass said:

    notme said:

    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Maybe this president will actually deserve an actual noble peace prize.... this is Trump’s glory.
    Can you imagine the howls of anguish from some of Trump's loudest critics at home and abroad if he managed to pull it off? He would also be absolutely unbearable if he did it!
    Korea in the first term, Israel and Palestine in the second? :D
    Mr Brexit might be able to claim the credit for reunifying Ireland too.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,955

    RobD said:

    fitalass said:

    notme said:

    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Maybe this president will actually deserve an actual noble peace prize.... this is Trump’s glory.
    Can you imagine the howls of anguish from some of Trump's loudest critics at home and abroad if he managed to pull it off? He would also be absolutely unbearable if he did it!
    Korea in the first term, Israel and Palestine in the second? :D
    Mr Brexit might be able to claim the credit for reunifying Ireland too.
    Oh do give it a rest :p
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    RobD said:

    fitalass said:

    notme said:

    North Korea: No need for more missile tests

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43846488

    Maybe this president will actually deserve an actual noble peace prize.... this is Trump’s glory.
    Can you imagine the howls of anguish from some of Trump's loudest critics at home and abroad if he managed to pull it off? He would also be absolutely unbearable if he did it!
    Korea in the first term, Israel and Palestine in the second? :D
    If Trump achieved that, he could against all odds turn himself into a World Statesman and achieve a nobel peace prize and standing ovation at the UN! Just add in the Ghostbusters music and you can picture Trumps PR campaign to become the worlds global fixer... With the added perk of insisting on a golf club and luxury hotel in every key city! :)
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Daily Mail - "Windrush generation arrival records are FOUND: Tens of thousands of landing cards are found in the National Archives despite fears May's Home Office shredded the lot"

    "The arrival records for tens of thousands of immigrants from the Windrush generation have been found in the National Archives.

    The find strengthen the cases for those trying to prove they are British citizens who were being told they had to leave the UK.

    The ledger, found after an investigation by the Financial Times, shows arrivals at ports until 1960 with more than 85,000 people arriving from Caribbean countries.

    These include citizens who arrived from the Caribbean on Empire Windrush in 1948 - it was the ship's name that would come to define the generation.

    The information, compiled by the Board of Trade, could proof vital in helping those under threat claim UK citizenship."



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