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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    nunuone said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In Newham, the Labour dominance continues unchecked. After winning the Mayoralty by 73-12 over the Conservatives, Labour walked off with all 60 Council seats winning 74% of the vote to the Conservatives 15%.

    Only Labour and the Conservatives put up full slates but Labour scored above 60% in every Ward bar one which I'll come back to. In seven of the twenty Newham Council Wards, Labour scored over 80% of the vote with the highest being Little Ilford where the three Labour seats beat the three Conservative candidates by 88% to 12%.

    Beckton, Custom House and Royal Docks had Labour winning percentages of 64-65% but Labour's weakest performance came in Stratford & New Town where the three winning candidates scored just 55%.

    Lib Dem Gareth Evans was fourth and the only non-Labour candidate anywhere in the Borough to get more than 10% of the vote. The three LD candidates got 20% of the vote and the three Conservatives 17%. The best non-Labour performance collectively was in Royal Docks where the Conservative candidates polled 21%.

    The Greens finished second in the two Forest Gate Wards but a very long way behind Labour (as indeed everyone was).

    Turnout was 36% for the Mayoral election.

    thank you for the update.

    How did LEAVE do so well in Newham (for a London council) ? Such Labour dominance, yet many ignored the message.
    Commonwealth citizen voters who didn't like seeing Eastern Europeans getting more favourable UK immigration rights than their relatives and friends? And giving the Cameron government a kicking.

    Not hard to see why Newham was quite close in June 2016 as was Redbridge.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,561

    DavidL said:

    Anyone who is deluded enough to believe the EPL has a high standard really should watch Man U, a team still likely to come second and who have made the FA Cup final. They are atrocious. Players like Pogba, earning £200k a week, find it too difficult to pass the ball to their own teammates. It is pathetic.

    Here's some passing for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOB7pcqBH-Y
    Epic!
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    brendan16 said:

    nunuone said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In Newham, the Labour dominance continues unchecked. After winning the Mayoralty by 73-12 over the Conservatives, Labour walked off with all 60 Council seats winning 74% of the vote to the Conservatives 15%.

    Only Labour and the Conservatives put up full slates but Labour scored above 60% in every Ward bar one which I'll come back to. In seven of the twenty Newham Council Wards, Labour scored over 80% of the vote with the highest being Little Ilford where the three Labour seats beat the three Conservative candidates by 88% to 12%.

    Beckton, Custom House and Royal Docks had Labour winning percentages of 64-65% but Labour's weakest performance came in Stratford & New Town where the three winning candidates scored just 55%.

    Lib Dem Gareth Evans was fourth and the only non-Labour candidate anywhere in the Borough to get more than 10% of the vote. The three LD candidates got 20% of the vote and the three Conservatives 17%. The best non-Labour performance collectively was in Royal Docks where the Conservative candidates polled 21%.

    The Greens finished second in the two Forest Gate Wards but a very long way behind Labour (as indeed everyone was).

    Turnout was 36% for the Mayoral election.

    thank you for the update.

    How did LEAVE do so well in Newham (for a London council) ? Such Labour dominance, yet many ignored the message.
    Commonwealth citizen voters who didn't like seeing Eastern Europeans getting more favourable UK immigration rights than their relatives and friends? And giving the Cameron government a kicking.

    Not hard to see why Newham was quite close in June 2016 as was Redbridge.
    Sure but that would be common across many parts of London, the Newham result stands out.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Mortimer said:

    Why does it always take so long to count votes in Tower Hamlets?

    over cautious after past shenanigans?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    edited May 2018
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    The East London Advertiser is desperately trying to make it exciting...or it is a way not to fall asleep

    RESULTS: Lansbury elects (drum roll)...
    1. Abdul Chowdhury (Lab; 2,140 votes)
    2. Muhammad Harun (Lab; 1,868)
    3. Rebecca White (Lab; 1,839)

    Why did Abdul Chowdhury get 300 more than the other two? Is there a group of voters who thought they only had one vote, and he was nearest the top of the ballot paper?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,531
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose?
    Speaking as a Tory turned LD, that is a horrible choice.
    I’d probably have to go RM. At least he wouldn’t bankrupt the country.
    It may be a horrible choice but with RM the Tory members' favourite to succeed May it might be the choice facing the LDs in a few years time, interesting you went with RM.
    He'll have to get through the MP's ballot first.
    Even Leadsom and IDS managed that so it is not as big a hurdle as it seems
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
    Mogg and hard Brexiteers maybe, May less so
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    CynosargesCynosarges Posts: 44

    A whole lotta reinstatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/992480397392056329

    Hey Tory party, what first attracted you to abusive, racist, winning candidate X?

    Could it be the same thing that caused hundreds of Corbynista racist tweets about Sajid Javid? (Which, despite Labour's claims to be against racism, have failed to raise a single condemnation from Corbyn, Abbott or Mcdonnell. Or, indeed, any words of condemnation from Theuniondivvie.)
    I'm not a Labour supporter.

    Of course if you feel that supporters of a party should be the first to condemn the behaviour of other supporters (or in fact elected reps) of that party, knock yourself out sport.
    Please, carry on digging. Tell us all why you consider the Tory candidate uniquely odious, but Labour racism a mere peccadillo, unworthy of comment or condemnation.
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    basicbridgebasicbridge Posts: 674
    RobD said:

    flubadub said:

    Mike Smithson in 'Lib Dems did well' shock

    They did so better than all the rest. After so many years you can’t blame him for celebrating a bit!
    Who'd have thought it, eh? The idea that there could be any sort of "editorial" political bias in gavour of the Lib Dems on this site is shocking, quite shocking.....
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,531
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
    Mogg and hard Brexiteers maybe, May less so
    No way. Not without a much softer Brexit involving CU and SM. If May agreed to that and a third in/out referendum, then possibly, but she wouldn't last the week with her own party.
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited May 2018
    nunuone said:

    brendan16 said:

    nunuone said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    In Newham, the Labour dominance continues unchecked. After winning the Mayoralty by 73-12 over the Conservatives, Labour walked off with all 60 Council seats winning 74% of the vote to the Conservatives 15%.

    Only Labour and the Conservatives put up full slates but Labour scored above 60% in every Ward bar one which I'll come back to. In seven of the twenty Newham Council Wards, Labour scored over 80% of the vote with the highest being Little Ilford where the three Labour seats beat the three Conservative candidates by 88% to 12%.

    Beckton, Custom House and Royal Docks had Labour winning percentages of 64-65% but Labour's weakest performance came in Stratford & New Town where the three winning candidates scored just 55%.

    Lib Dem Gareth Evans was fourth and the only non-Labour candidate anywhere in the Borough to get more than 10% of the vote. The three LD candidates got 20% of the vote and the three Conservatives 17%. The best non-Labour performance collectively was in Royal Docks where the Conservative candidates polled 21%.

    The Greens finished second in the two Forest Gate Wards but a very long way behind Labour (as indeed everyone was).

    Turnout was 36% for the Mayoral election.

    thank you for the update.

    How did LEAVE do so well in Newham (for a London council) ? Such Labour dominance, yet many ignored the message.
    Commonwealth citizen voters who didn't like seeing Eastern Europeans getting more favourable UK immigration rights than their relatives and friends? And giving the Cameron government a kicking.

    Not hard to see why Newham was quite close in June 2016 as was Redbridge.
    Sure but that would be common across many parts of London, the Newham result stands out.
    Newham is quite poor and has relatively few white middle class liberals like the heavily remain boroughs. So a core solid remain base didn't exist there like it did in many of the inner boroughs And like Redbridge it has a large Asian population which feels it has been suffering adversely in immigration terms due to the EU post A10 accession and the resulting efforts to reduce non EU immigration.

    And life isn't easy in Newham - and people who are having it tougher in life were more likely to vote leave. Smug white middle class liberals in Richmond and Islington who are experiencing a different and more prosperous life probably still don't get that. Cos surely if you decide to live in London and claim to want to experience the diversity it has to offer why pick Twickenham over Canning Town?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Full result is

    Kahar Chowdhury Labour 2140 15.80% Elected
    Muhammad HM Harun Labour 1868 13.79% Elected
    Bex White Labour 1839 13.58% Elected
    Abul Monsur Ohid Ahmed Aspire 1358 10.03% Not elected
    Jahed Choudhury Aspire 980 7.24% Not elected
    Shuily Akthar Aspire 881 6.51% Not elected
    Abdul Salam Sheikh Tower Hamlets People's Alliance 646 4.77% Not elected
    Jack Mark Gilbert Liberal Democrats 506 3.74% Not elected
    Oliver McQueen Liberal Democrats 427 3.15% Not elected
    Mumshad Afruz Conservative 398 2.94% Not elected
    Paul William Eric Ingham Conservative 388 2.86% Not elected
    Katy Guttmann Green 377 2.78% Not elected
    Syed Ansar Miah Tower Hamlets People's Alliance 354 2.61% Not elected
    Muhammad Fakar Uddin Tower Hamlets People's Alliance 337 2.49% Not elected
    John David Urpeth Green 331 2.44% Not elected
    Tara Hussain Liberal Democrats 299 2.21% Not elected
    Hanad Mohammed Darwish Conservative 247 1.82% Not elected
    Monsur Ahmed Khan Independent 167 1.23% Not elected

    Top Labour, top Aspire and top Tower Hamlets People's Alliance are all around 300 ahead of their running mates

    The East London Advertiser is desperately trying to make it exciting...or it is a way not to fall asleep

    RESULTS: Lansbury elects (drum roll)...
    1. Abdul Chowdhury (Lab; 2,140 votes)
    2. Muhammad Harun (Lab; 1,868)
    3. Rebecca White (Lab; 1,839)

    Why did Abdul Chowdhury get 300 more than the other two? Is there a group of voters who thought they only had one vote, and he was nearest the top of the ballot paper?
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    The East London Advertiser is desperately trying to make it exciting...or it is a way not to fall asleep

    RESULTS: Lansbury elects (drum roll)...
    1. Abdul Chowdhury (Lab; 2,140 votes)
    2. Muhammad Harun (Lab; 1,868)
    3. Rebecca White (Lab; 1,839)

    Why did Abdul Chowdhury get 300 more than the other two? Is there a group of voters who thought they only had one vote, and he was nearest the top of the ballot paper?
    vote splitting, probably people voting for the break away group.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    William_H said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    They got in bed with the far more racist conservative party.
    really - where is the evidence of this widespread racism?

    Even Corbyn and momentum recognise they have a problem

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,245
    edited May 2018
    Betting post

    David Haye is favourite to win the fight tomorrow night vs Tony Bellew. The market thinks it's going to be a stoppage.

    Neither is a bad boxer and the thinking is that if Haye connects it's all over. But Bellew is cannier than that and will try not to do an Amir Khan vs Canelo, where Amir paid attention for several rounds before losing concentration and getting sparked out.

    If you think they will both box clever then you can back a points win by both and be up if it goes the distance and is not a draw, whoever wins.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5688649/Theresa-braces-devastating-losses-counting-begins-local-elections.html

    URL does not match content

    "We are seen as the nasty party': Furious Labour MPs turn on Corbyn "

    Nothing to see - move along
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Elliot said:

    I have a new level respect for Dominic Raab after he stood up for his secretary here:

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/94860/dominic-raab-insists-diary-secretary-sex-scandal-storm-teacup

    That's a textbook example of how to handle a synthetic media storm. Particularly impressive is the bit about the Subway spicy Italian baguette (which sounds absolutely disgusting, so hopefully he won't have to actually eat one).
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    On the other hand propping up McDonnell and Corbyn, and thus taking responsibility for economic catastrophe, would be suicide, trashing the brand for decades if not permanently.

    Tough business, making decisions, eh?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Floater said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5688649/Theresa-braces-devastating-losses-counting-begins-local-elections.html

    URL does not match content

    "We are seen as the nasty party': Furious Labour MPs turn on Corbyn "

    Nothing to see - move along

    LOL, I like how the Daily Mail conveniently stopped updating their seats tallies just as soon as the Tories' net change dropped into the negative.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I'm quite bemused by John Curtice saying that a tied vote would produce a (very small) Labour lead on seats. I thought the current distribution of votes favoured the Tories.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
    Mogg and hard Brexiteers maybe, May less so
    No way. Not without a much softer Brexit involving CU and SM. If May agreed to that and a third in/out referendum, then possibly, but she wouldn't last the week with her own party.
    May is still committed to a customs partnership and even Cable has said something needs to be done to control free movement. Remember, the choice is May or Corbyn, not May or say Chuka Umunna in this scenario
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Danny565 said:

    I'm quite bemused by John Curtice saying that a tied vote would produce a (very small) Labour lead on seats. I thought the current distribution of votes favoured the Tories.

    Perhaps Curtice can discern that it is changing again.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,531
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
    Mogg and hard Brexiteers maybe, May less so
    No way. Not without a much softer Brexit involving CU and SM. If May agreed to that and a third in/out referendum, then possibly, but she wouldn't last the week with her own party.
    May is still committed to a customs partnership and even Cable has said something needs to be done to control free movement. Remember, the choice is May or Corbyn, not May or say Chuka Umunna in this scenario
    The choice for LDs is to support neither.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited May 2018
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    An interesting alternative history would be to consider what the Lib Dem experience of Coalition would have been if they'd managed not to shoot themselves in the foot over tuition fees.

    I think it's perfectly possible for Lib Dems in the not so distant future to convince themselves that it wasn't a Coalition with the Tories itself that put them into so much bother, but some specifics about how they implemented it, and how poorly they negotiated with their Coalition partners given the manifesto they had stood for election with. Then they can convince themselves that they would do so much better a second time around.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
    Mogg and hard Brexiteers maybe, May less so
    No way. Not without a much softer Brexit involving CU and SM. If May agreed to that and a third in/out referendum, then possibly, but she wouldn't last the week with her own party.
    May is still committed to a customs partnership and even Cable has said something needs to be done to control free movement. Remember, the choice is May or Corbyn, not May or say Chuka Umunna in this scenario
    The choice for LDs is to support neither.
    Which in itself would be a choice if it allows say Rees Mogg and the DUP or Corbyn and the SNP to take power
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:
    LOL.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour take control of Tower Hamlets.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,531
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Yes but most centre-left voters are now voting for Corbyn, much of the LDs current support comes from centrists, Remainers and NIMBYS in SW London and the Home Counties who are deeply suspicious of Corbyn
    But also deeply suspicious of May, Mogg, and Tory Brexiteers.
    Mogg and hard Brexiteers maybe, May less so
    No way. Not without a much softer Brexit involving CU and SM. If May agreed to that and a third in/out referendum, then possibly, but she wouldn't last the week with her own party.
    May is still committed to a customs partnership and even Cable has said something needs to be done to control free movement. Remember, the choice is May or Corbyn, not May or say Chuka Umunna in this scenario
    The choice for LDs is to support neither.
    Which in itself would be a choice if it allows say Rees Mogg and the DUP or Corbyn and the SNP to take power
    See how far any of them get without a majority.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,207
    AndyJS said:

    Labour take control of Tower Hamlets.

    Least predictable result - not!
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Danny565 said:

    I'm quite bemused by John Curtice saying that a tied vote would produce a (very small) Labour lead on seats. I thought the current distribution of votes favoured the Tories.

    I guess it used to when they had more Tory middle class Remainers but they have swapped some of them for working class LEAVE voters in mostly hopeless Northern/Midland seats.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
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    William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    Floater said:

    William_H said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    They got in bed with the far more racist conservative party.
    really - where is the evidence of this widespread racism?

    Even Corbyn and momentum recognise they have a problem

    Labour at least recognise they have a problem. The conservatives look at racists and make them foreign secretary. Theresa May's own anti-black policies recently exposed. Cameron and Goldsmith's smear campaign against Sadiq Khan - if you want to get semantic and call that islamophobia instead, be my guest. The just reinstated councillor who compared Asians to dogs. Baroness Warsi said “I know within my own party there are almost now weekly occurrences of Islamophobic incidents and rhetoric.”

    Every party has its demons - the lib dems after all had their last leader resign because he couldn't bear to disown homophobia - but the conservatives embrace of them sets them apart.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    William_H said:

    Floater said:

    William_H said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    They got in bed with the far more racist conservative party.
    really - where is the evidence of this widespread racism?

    Even Corbyn and momentum recognise they have a problem

    Labour at least recognise they have a problem. The conservatives look at racists and make them foreign secretary. Theresa May's own anti-black policies recently exposed. Cameron and Goldsmith's smear campaign against Sadiq Khan - if you want to get semantic and call that islamophobia instead, be my guest. The just reinstated councillor who compared Asians to dogs. Baroness Warsi said “I know within my own party there are almost now weekly occurrences of Islamophobic incidents and rhetoric.”

    Every party has its demons - the lib dems after all had their last leader resign because he couldn't bear to disown homophobia - but the conservatives embrace of them sets them apart.
    Theresa May is a racist? OK.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    William_H said:

    Floater said:

    William_H said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    They got in bed with the far more racist conservative party.
    really - where is the evidence of this widespread racism?

    Even Corbyn and momentum recognise they have a problem

    Labour at least recognise they have a problem. The conservatives look at racists and make them foreign secretary. Theresa May's own anti-black policies recently exposed. Cameron and Goldsmith's smear campaign against Sadiq Khan - if you want to get semantic and call that islamophobia instead, be my guest. The just reinstated councillor who compared Asians to dogs. Baroness Warsi said “I know within my own party there are almost now weekly occurrences of Islamophobic incidents and rhetoric.”

    Every party has its demons - the lib dems after all had their last leader resign because he couldn't bear to disown homophobia - but the conservatives embrace of them sets them apart.
    Carry on denying it if you want

    More votes your scum lose the happier I am.

    Just remember - you lie down with dogs you end up with fleas
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936

    Elliot said:

    I have a new level respect for Dominic Raab after he stood up for his secretary here:

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/94860/dominic-raab-insists-diary-secretary-sex-scandal-storm-teacup

    That's a textbook example of how to handle a synthetic media storm. Particularly impressive is the bit about the Subway spicy Italian baguette (which sounds absolutely disgusting, so hopefully he won't have to actually eat one).
    +1

    Rise above it and be funny. Tremendous combo.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Spitalfields and Banglatown

    Mohammad Chowdhury (Lab) 1704 ELECTED
    Leema Qureshi (Lab) 1,114 ELECTED

    It is almost Saturday...
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,321

    Elliot said:

    I have a new level respect for Dominic Raab after he stood up for his secretary here:

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/94860/dominic-raab-insists-diary-secretary-sex-scandal-storm-teacup

    That's a textbook example of how to handle a synthetic media storm. Particularly impressive is the bit about the Subway spicy Italian baguette (which sounds absolutely disgusting, so hopefully he won't have to actually eat one).
    Yes, classy response from a good employer.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966

    A whole lotta reinstatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/992480397392056329

    Hey Tory party, what first attracted you to abusive, racist, winning candidate X?

    Could it be the same thing that caused hundreds of Corbynista racist tweets about Sajid Javid? (Which, despite Labour's claims to be against racism, have failed to raise a single condemnation from Corbyn, Abbott or Mcdonnell. Or, indeed, any words of condemnation from Theuniondivvie.)
    I'm not a Labour supporter.

    Of course if you feel that supporters of a party should be the first to condemn the behaviour of other supporters (or in fact elected reps) of that party, knock yourself out sport.
    Please, carry on digging. Tell us all why you consider the Tory candidate uniquely odious, but Labour racism a mere peccadillo, unworthy of comment or condemnation.
    They're all wankers.

    Your turn.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    18 seats in Tower Hamlets are yet to declare.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Candidates for Shadwell called by the Returning Officer

    It's Rabina Khan's ward
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018

    Candidates for Shadwell called by the Returning Officer

    It's Rabina Khan's ward

    I just don't know how it can take so long to count votes. Birmingham is about 5 times larger than Tower Hamlets in population and they finished many hours ago, as you know.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    The Lib Dems should not be making Barnsley Central a target. They cannot do so without undermining their core USP - and that contradictory-messages-to-discrete-groups is precisely what caused their collapse in the first place when the reality of power hit them and they had to have the same policies for everyone.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Rabina Khan re-elected. Labour take the other seat with Ruhul Amin.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    LDs clear winners? My arse.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    If correct then Hunt's claims seem very odd: cock-up, conspiracy (to blame Labour with the 2009 date) or just panic after he'd seen an alleged cover-up end Amber Rudd's career?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2018
    Jonathan said:

    LDs clear winners? My arse.

    But they gained a whole SIXTEEN more councillors than Labour, how dare you not appreciate that that's clearly overwhelmingly superior?
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    AndyJS said:

    Candidates for Shadwell called by the Returning Officer

    It's Rabina Khan's ward

    I just don't know how it can take so long to count votes. Birmingham is about 5 times larger than Tower Hamlets in population and they finished many hours ago, as you know.
    I'm saying this as a British Asian....idc how politically incorrect it is, that corner of London has become a foreign third world country now. British in name only. Gone. Thanks Labour.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    St Katharine's and Wapping

    Denise Jones (Lab) 1279 votes and Abdal Ullah (Lab) 1033 votes elected

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    You have to wonder ... if TH is this slow at counting the votes, what are the rest of the borough's s efficiencies like
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,207

    A whole lotta reinstatin' goin' on.

    https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/992480397392056329

    Hey Tory party, what first attracted you to abusive, racist, winning candidate X?

    Could it be the same thing that caused hundreds of Corbynista racist tweets about Sajid Javid? (Which, despite Labour's claims to be against racism, have failed to raise a single condemnation from Corbyn, Abbott or Mcdonnell. Or, indeed, any words of condemnation from Theuniondivvie.)
    I'm not a Labour supporter.

    Of course if you feel that supporters of a party should be the first to condemn the behaviour of other supporters (or in fact elected reps) of that party, knock yourself out sport.
    Please, carry on digging. Tell us all why you consider the Tory candidate uniquely odious, but Labour racism a mere peccadillo, unworthy of comment or condemnation.
    They're all wankers.

    Your turn.
    It's SHITE being a Corbynite! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the f___ing Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the Blairites. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent political faction to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any f___ing difference!
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Pulpstar said:

    You have to wonder ... if TH is this slow at counting the votes, what are the rest of the borough's s efficiencies like

    Isn't it in special measures?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    I think special measures were lifted last year
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    At the previous Tower Hamlets election it was reported by the Conservative group leader that friends and family of the Tower Hamlets independents were allegedly walking in and out of the count all the time and preventing it from being conducted in an orderly way. It ended up in court and the judge cancelled some of the results IIRC. It looks like most of that faction have been defeated this time by Labour which is probably something we can all agree is a positive development.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    AndyJS said:

    At the previous Tower Hamlets election it was reported by the Conservative group leader that friends and family of the Tower Hamlets independents were allegedly walking in and out of the count all the time and preventing it from being conducted in an orderly way. It ended up in court and the judge cancelled some of the results IIRC. It looks like most of that faction have been defeated this time by Labour which is probably something we can all agree is a positive development.

    yes.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    Labour are going to win about 95% of the seats in Tower Hamlets with around 45% of the vote. Time for PR for local elections maybe.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Bow West: Asma Begum (Lab) 2384, Valerie Whitehead (Lab) 2,038

    Stepney Green: Sabrina Akhtar (Lab) 2105, Motin Uz-Zaman (Lab) 1,515

    Bethnal Green: Ahbab Hossain (Lab) 2,916 votes, Sirajul Islam (Lab) 2,830, Eve McQuillan (Lab) 2,816

    I think only Whitechapel is left....
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Tories second biggest party in Tower Hamlets.....
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    nunuone said:

    Tories second biggest party in Tower Hamlets.....

    Although they've lost more than half their seats, going from 5 to 2.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    On the other hand propping up McDonnell and Corbyn, and thus taking responsibility for economic catastrophe, would be suicide, trashing the brand for decades if not permanently.

    Tough business, making decisions, eh?
    Not necessarily so at all. Quite easy to imagine the LDs having a restraining influence on them and getting credit for that.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    I cannot see the SNP propping up the Tories over Labour, that really doesn't seem likely at all. The Lib Dems is a closer run thing but I can see a lot of resistance to any kind of support for the Conservatives. Hard to say but given the choice I think they would back Labour over the Tories.

    I wouldn't necessarily see them joining in with say a Lab+SNP+PC+Green coalition if the Con+DUP had bigger numbers and they had to join the former to make it work, though I wouldn't rule it out. I couldn't see the Lib Dems adding their numbers to a Con+DUP block to stop a bigger Lab+SNP+PC+Green block though.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
    I'm sure the Tories have racists - just as I'm sure your 'Hang Nelson Mandela' comment is years - if not decades out of date. Lazy smear - unless you can back it up?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/

    Shocking. But what's it got to do with the Tories?
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/

    Shocking. But what's it got to do with the Tories?
    About as much as yours is to do with the Labour party.
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
    I think it is known as believing your own hype... the fact that UKIP took the BNP votes and then the Conservatives took a majority of UKIP votes by copying their policies is unimportant, the fact that left winger Diane Abbot gets a third of all abuse sent to politicians is just coincidence, clearly it is the left who are bad and racist.

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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
    I'm sure the Tories have racists - just as I'm sure your 'Hang Nelson Mandela' comment is years - if not decades out of date. Lazy smear - unless you can back it up?
    It is hardly a smear when based on truth. Young Conservatives proudly displaying their T-Shirts emblazoned with 'Hang Mandela'. We are talking about the late Thatcher years here - not events from before World War 2.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
    I'm sure the Tories have racists - just as I'm sure your 'Hang Nelson Mandela' comment is years - if not decades out of date. Lazy smear - unless you can back it up?
    It is hardly a smear when based on truth. Young Conservatives proudly displaying their T-Shirts emblazoned with 'Hang Mandela'. We are talking about the late Thatcher years here - not events from before World War 2.
    Which was still 30 years ago....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/

    Shocking. But what's it got to do with the Tories?
    About as much as yours is to do with the Labour party.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/6198159/labour-activist-who-branded-sajid-javid-coconut-in-vile-slur-claims-its-not-racist-and-he-was-referring-to-a-fruit/
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
    I'm sure the Tories have racists - just as I'm sure your 'Hang Nelson Mandela' comment is years - if not decades out of date. Lazy smear - unless you can back it up?
    It is hardly a smear when based on truth. Young Conservatives proudly displaying their T-Shirts emblazoned with 'Hang Mandela'. We are talking about the late Thatcher years here - not events from before World War 2.
    Which was still 30 years ago....
    Unlike 3 days ago for 'coconuts'......
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no Tory members who hold such views today?
    I'm sure the Tories have racists - just as I'm sure your 'Hang Nelson Mandela' comment is years - if not decades out of date. Lazy smear - unless you can back it up?
    It is hardly a smear when based on truth. Young Conservatives proudly displaying their T-Shirts emblazoned with 'Hang Mandela'. We are talking about the late Thatcher years here - not events from before World War 2.

    So you agree your example of Tory racism is 3 decades old, while the coconuts comments are barely 3 days old......
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

    Not sure anyone is calling or has called the Labour Party racist.
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/

    Shocking. But what's it got to do with the Tories?
    About as much as yours is to do with the Labour party.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/6198159/labour-activist-who-branded-sajid-javid-coconut-in-vile-slur-claims-its-not-racist-and-he-was-referring-to-a-fruit/
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/09/alan-pearmain-conservative-official-suspended-over-racist-tweet-aimed-at-diane-abbott
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Progressive Alliance; Jezza in Number 10.
    Progressive/Marxist Alliance of Labour, LD, SNP and Greens with Corbyn as PM opposed by Tories still largest party led by hard Brexiteer Leader of the Opposition Jacob Rees Mogg and allied with the DUP?
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/

    Shocking. But what's it got to do with the Tories?
    About as much as yours is to do with the Labour party.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/6198159/labour-activist-who-branded-sajid-javid-coconut-in-vile-slur-claims-its-not-racist-and-he-was-referring-to-a-fruit/
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/09/alan-pearmain-conservative-official-suspended-over-racist-tweet-aimed-at-diane-abbott
    "suspended"

    That's the difference......good thing too.

    Meanwhile, the Labour supporting activist:

    was jailed for 15 months for his part in a scheme to fabricate votes for the Peterborough City Council elections in June 2004.
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    RobD said:

    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

    Not sure anyone is calling or has called the Labour Party racist.
    Some have called it the jew hating party or several other variations, they happily ignore the stuff that comes from the Conservative party though.

    I don't think either party is racist, evidence showed that anti semitism was actually a bigger problem in the Conservative party than the Labour party, I think for other forms such as Islamophobia and hating Black people and such the Labour party would score a lot less than the Tory party.

    I don't think either party is racist but I would say the Conservative party would have the more racist attitudes though.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    RobD said:

    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

    Not sure anyone is calling or has called the Labour Party racist.

    No - its their claim that they are the 'anti-racist Party' which is coming under scrutiny....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

    Not sure anyone is calling or has called the Labour Party racist.
    Some have called it the jew hating party or several other variations, they happily ignore the stuff that comes from the Conservative party though.

    I don't think either party is racist, evidence showed that anti semitism was actually a bigger problem in the Conservative party than the Labour party, I think for other forms such as Islamophobia and hating Black people and such the Labour party would score a lot less than the Tory party.

    I don't think either party is racist but I would say the Conservative party would have the more racist attitudes though.
    Evidence? Which evidence is this?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    A right old mess:

    A former MP is claiming £1m in damages from the Metropolitan Police after being falsely accused of child sexual abuse and murder. Harvey Proctor is also taking legal action against his accuser - a man known by the pseudonym "Nick".

    Operation Midland began in 2014 after Nick claimed boys had been sexually abused and that three had been murdered by a group of powerful men from politics, the military and law enforcement agencies.

    Retired judge Sir Richard Henriques later reviewed the investigation and identified 43 serious failings in his report, including that Nick had been believed for too long and that search warrants had been applied for with flawed information.

    Nick is separately facing a trial in connection with six charges of possessing images of child abuse and voyeurism.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44013317
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    justin124 said:

    Floater said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:
    While the stench of Jew hate racism hangs over Corbyn's LAB the LDs won't go near them. I doubt if the SNP will either
    Given a choice between making Rees-Mogg PM or Corbyn PM who do you think the LDs would choose? In that case I think they would prop up Corbyn, if May still remains Tory leader they may give her confidence and supply while Corbyn is the alternative.
    Most unlikely the LDs would lift a finger to prop up the Tories. Post Coalition they will be desperate to restore some credibility with centre-left voters. The 'Tories' Little Helpers' label continues to haunt them.
    Because jew haters little helpers would be so much better?
    Corbyn is not so perceived - despite bad apples. Far more racists in the Tory ranks - pro-Apartheid 'Hang Mandela' types.
    How far back did you have to go to dig that up? And yet we have Corbyn supporter 'coconuts' comments from days ago.....
    http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/29/diane-abbott-gets-so-much-racist-abuse-her-aides-update-police-every-week-7508279/

    Shocking. But what's it got to do with the Tories?
    About as much as yours is to do with the Labour party.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/6198159/labour-activist-who-branded-sajid-javid-coconut-in-vile-slur-claims-its-not-racist-and-he-was-referring-to-a-fruit/
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/09/alan-pearmain-conservative-official-suspended-over-racist-tweet-aimed-at-diane-abbott
    "suspended"

    That's the difference......good thing too.

    Meanwhile, the Labour supporting activist:

    was jailed for 15 months for his part in a scheme to fabricate votes for the Peterborough City Council elections in June 2004.
    Ahh so you admit that the Tories are involved.

    I don't see why you think the Conservatives should be rewarded for suspending him, they'll probably reinstate them like they did with Anne Marie and the racist Councillor from the other day.

    Probably a quiet thank you in order for taking a public hit to signal to Conservative supporters.
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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

    Not sure anyone is calling or has called the Labour Party racist.
    Some have called it the jew hating party or several other variations, they happily ignore the stuff that comes from the Conservative party though.

    I don't think either party is racist, evidence showed that anti semitism was actually a bigger problem in the Conservative party than the Labour party, I think for other forms such as Islamophobia and hating Black people and such the Labour party would score a lot less than the Tory party.

    I don't think either party is racist but I would say the Conservative party would have the more racist attitudes though.
    Evidence? Which evidence is this?
    http://evolvepolitics.com/new-caa-report-shows-conclusively-that-tory-voters-are-far-more-anti-semitic-than-labour-voters/amp/

    ___________________________________________________
    The research was carried by the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), who commissioned in-depth YouGov polling into the subject of anti-Semitism in Britain.
    ___________________________________________________

    Conservatives who endorsed one anti-semitic statement 40%
    Labour who endorsed one anti-semitic statement 32%
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    I don't know if people say the Conservatives are some kind of anti racist party for propaganda purposes or to convince themselves but there is a reason not being white is a factor in not voting Conservatives. White men shouting that Labour are the racist party isn't going to trick them into thinking differently about the Conservatives.

    Not sure anyone is calling or has called the Labour Party racist.
    Some have called it the jew hating party or several other variations, they happily ignore the stuff that comes from the Conservative party though.

    I don't think either party is racist, evidence showed that anti semitism was actually a bigger problem in the Conservative party than the Labour party, I think for other forms such as Islamophobia and hating Black people and such the Labour party would score a lot less than the Tory party.

    I don't think either party is racist but I would say the Conservative party would have the more racist attitudes though.
    Evidence? Which evidence is this?
    http://evolvepolitics.com/new-caa-report-shows-conclusively-that-tory-voters-are-far-more-anti-semitic-than-labour-voters/amp/

    ___________________________________________________
    The research was carried by the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA), who commissioned in-depth YouGov polling into the subject of anti-Semitism in Britain.
    ___________________________________________________

    Conservatives who endorsed one anti-semitic statement 40%
    Labour who endorsed one anti-semitic statement 32%
    However, 83% of Jewish people surveyed said that they thought Labour were too tolerant of antisemitism among their MPs, members and supporters.

    Also:

    The data in this report begs the question: if British society can fight antisemitism, why are our world-renowned criminal justice system and some of our famous political parties still doing too little?
    Our research clearly shows that British Jews have pointed their fingers at the Crown Prosecution Service and the Labour Party.


    https://antisemitism.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Antisemitism-Barometer-2017.pdf
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