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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Oh dear! How did he get his 15 minutes?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606

    American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.

    It's quite amusing, but also fairly powerful.

    Apparently love has power. I'm just waiting for him to break into song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_zHQ6kFuQ0
    https://youtu.be/KCkgYhtz64U
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,435

    Who invited this guy?

    Calm down mate, you’re in England.

    It’s a bit cringeworthy. Worried he was going to knock those candles over.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.

    HM does not look amused and the PoW looks like he want's to burst out laughing.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    Zara Tindall’s face.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Not feeling the love for the American preacher.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I’m a fan of the American preacher.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    He’s now talking about the Bronze Age and the invention of fire.

    Now, he’s asking who arrived by car..

    Jesus Christ. Sit down.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited May 2018

    Not feeling the love for the American preacher.

    I'm wondering how they're going to get him off. I don't think they have anyone who knows how to switch off the mike. Doesn't he know the duke of Edinburgh is 97? How much time can he waste on this?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    Not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a relatively short period in the 60s and 70s when marriage was more popular with working-class than middle-class people.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    I thought he said he was about to sit down.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    edited May 2018

    Who invited this guy?

    Calm down mate, you’re in England.

    It’s a bit cringeworthy. Worried he was going to knock those candles over.
    The biggest problem is that he’s making this about him and his moment in the limelight to preach rather than about them.

    He should have stopped at the story of love, and sat down about 10 minutes ago.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    American preacher has moved on from love to fire.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152

    American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.

    He’s going on a bit too long.

    Time for him to shut up.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    Ok. Let’s pretend that just never happened.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,880

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Not my cup of tea, but then I'm not a fan of regular churchgoing style either - the americans seem to put some real energy and passion into it with their preaching at least. But then I'm watching something else in another window anyway.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,572

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
    Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152
    The gospel choir is good though. Great song.

    Harry and Meghan look as if they want the whole thing over and finished.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Don't know whether this guy is a spoof or not:

    twitter.com/ChrisRogersHK/status/997802214604259328
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....

    Choir was lovely.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,839
    MaxPB said:

    American bishop doing this reading verging on the televangelist.

    It's quite amusing, but also fairly powerful.

    Apparently love has power. I'm just waiting for him to break into song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_zHQ6kFuQ0
    https://youtu.be/KCkgYhtz64U
    Good pub quiz question this. Three different songs, with the same title, that were all number 1 within a year of each other.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NyoTvgPn0rU
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,141
    On topic, the politicians know what they're doing. Right now the voters love nostalgia and hate freedom. They're just going to have to let the fire rise up again and wait for it to burn itself out.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
    Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)
    It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.

    We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,572

    I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....

    Choir was lovely.
    Same here. He’s deliciously nervous - she seems very composed.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,839

    I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....

    Choir was lovely.
    Same here. He’s deliciously nervous - she seems very composed.
    Almost as if she’s done it before...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,572
    edited May 2018

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
    Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)
    It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.

    We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
    There may indeed be a “chasm” - but in a marriage of equals what’s wrong with it being obvious?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
    Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)
    It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.

    We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
    There may indeed be a “chasm” - but in a marriage of equals what’s wrong with it being obvious?
    Nothing. I just think the preacher outstayed his welcome.
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    AndyJS said:

    Don't know whether this guy is a spoof or not:

    twitter.com/ChrisRogersHK/status/997802214604259328

    Nothing says 'eco-socialist' like part time residence in Hong Kong.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,880

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
    Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)
    It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.

    We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
    As MaxPB is finding, a wedding should be about two people, with others celebrating their future happiness. It should not be about anyone else. If this is what the couple wanted, then fair enough: and it seems a reasonable synergy between British pomp and US excess.

    Besides, the royal family relies in evolution. Some were worried that there would be a problem with the fact that she was a divorceee, or that she is mixed-race - two things that would have been show-stoppers a few decades ago. The royal family is slowly evolving with the times.

    If this 'experiment' in the sermon is not successful, it will be quietly dropped (though I doubt that particular preacher could ever be quiet!)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258

    I’m a fan of the American preacher.

    Ditto. At least no-one will be falling asleep during his sermon ...
    Yes - good to see the bride having significant input into the ceremony (and it will play very well abroad - what price those stuffy old Brits?)
    It shows what a real chasm there is between British and American culture.

    We would say they are far too earnest and lacking in restraint and dignity.
    As MaxPB is finding, a wedding should be about two people, with others celebrating their future happiness. It should not be about anyone else. If this is what the couple wanted, then fair enough: and it seems a reasonable synergy between British pomp and US excess.

    Besides, the royal family relies in evolution. Some were worried that there would be a problem with the fact that she was a divorceee, or that she is mixed-race - two things that would have been show-stoppers a few decades ago. The royal family is slowly evolving with the times.

    If this 'experiment' in the sermon is not successful, it will be quietly dropped (though I doubt that particular preacher could ever be quiet!)
    Agree!
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    A logical point.

    Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.


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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152
    Meghan’s dress is very elegant.

    As is her mother - a good-looking woman.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    Some preachers used to go on for literal hours (no doubt there are places where they still do), so could lay preachers - imagine sitting through 4 hours of an Oliver Cromwell speech
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,880
    Andrew said:

    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    A logical point.

    Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.
    We got married on an 1860-built warship. An elderly relative, somewhat aged and very religious, apparently said: "It suits them more than a church."

    I've never asked precisely what she meant ... :)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    edited May 2018
    Andrew said:

    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    A logical point.

    Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.


    A friend of mine was telling me there are organisations that seek to provide just that - meeting in (hopefully) grand buildings weekly for a singalong, some words about being good to each other etc, just no prayer.

    I do know someone who apparently got married at the Roman baths at, well, Bath, though sadly no one was dressed as a legionary, which feels like a missed opportunity.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    We had some of those on Thursday. My Dad's speech was one of the shortest and his was the main one. People in politics and religion just love to hear the sound of their own voice
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,880
    kle4 said:

    Andrew said:

    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    A logical point.

    Of course, what most Brits really want is the pretty church buildings and ceremonies, without any of the religious guff.


    A friend of mine was telling me there are organisations that seek to provide just that - meeting in (hopefully) grand buildings weekly for a singalong, some words about being good to each other etc, just no prayer.
    And if, like me, hiking is your 'religion', then there is always...

    Champing.

    https://www.champing.co.uk/
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    And Sir Clive Woodward has been seen singing Bread of Heaven live on TV! Lol...
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited May 2018
    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    Specially for you Dixie. Plenty more if this is what floats your boat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSGSSisCT7E
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152
    edited May 2018
    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    dixiedean said:

    I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?

    The bit about love was fine. When he started on about cars, power and fire ..... well ..... that’s when the red pencil should have been deployed. Ruthlessly. It was unnecessarily repetitious.

    Edited: and it was a bit impersonal. It woukd have been nicer if it could have addressed itself just a touch to - and about - the two most important people there.

    But hey if they liked it that’s all that matters.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    It does seem the case that while you will find a majority responding to polls saying that they are not particularly interested, those that are, and those that casually pay attention, will ensure it is the main topic of conversation by some distance.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,435
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    Just been popping in and out whilst cutting the grass but god we’re good at this stuff. Wife says that the preacher should have quit whilst ahead but otherwise pretty perfect.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    What? Where is the Lewisham hustings?

    Outrageous.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    One of the great tunes.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    Anyway, it's time to get back out and enjoy a sunny cycle ride. Congrats to Harry and Meghan. And what does their union mean in the context of Brexit?!
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    The cellist is outstanding. Apparently he is 19-year-old Sheku Kanneh-Mason - winner of the 2016 BBC Young Musician of the Year.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.

    Other than that, it’s superb.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    RoyalBlue said:

    The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.

    Other than that, it’s superb.

    Good joke about cars and carriages though.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    RoyalBlue said:

    The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.

    Other than that, it’s superb.

    Wrong.

    The preacher was utterly brilliant.

    The best TV in decades.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    Harry knows what he’s doing.

    Uniting everyone they can around the crown - no matter what their political beliefs- is the monarchy’s job.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    Harry knows what he’s doing.

    Uniting everyone they can around the crown - no matter what their political beliefs- is the monarchy’s job.
    Don’t want to think it’s that cynical but fair point.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.

    Other than that, it’s superb.

    Wrong.

    The preacher was utterly brilliant.

    The best TV in decades.
    I've read hyperbole on here but that takes the biscuit!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Roger said:


    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.

    Other than that, it’s superb.

    Wrong.

    The preacher was utterly brilliant.

    The best TV in decades.
    I've read hyperbole on here but that takes the biscuit!
    The hyperbole was deliberate - and tongue in cheek!

    But the preacher man was VERY entertaining.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,572
    AndyJS said:

    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?
    AndyJS said:

    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?
    I think it was for everybody and I can understand why lefties may have felt left out in the past....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    I’m watching and I didn’t see it that way at all. Him and Meghan seemed pretty happy with him. Everyone else on the other hand....

    Choir was lovely.
    Same here. He’s deliciously nervous - she seems very composed.
    Overall, I think the ceremony was really nice. Looking forward to the FA Cup final now!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,572
    HYUFD said:

    Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession

    I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Our former charges may exceed us in power and might, but they will never exceed us in majesty.

    What a wonderful advert for our nation.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,200
    Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!

    Well, consider:

    1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!

    2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!

    3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!

    So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!

    :)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    The preacher didn’t understand his brief. They used a modern watered-down version of the Lord’s Prayer which no-one knew.

    Other than that, it’s superb.

    Wrong.

    The preacher was utterly brilliant.

    The best TV in decades.
    You’re in good company. Tim Montgomerie agrees with you:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/montie/status/997800352899633152
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,258
    RoyalBlue said:

    Our former charges may exceed us in power and might, but they will never exceed us in majesty.

    What a wonderful advert for our nation.

    +1
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,977
    kle4 said:

    Anyway, it's time to get back out and enjoy a sunny cycle ride. Congrats to Harry and Meghan. And what does their union mean in the context of Brexit?!

    Both are doomed, that's about it.
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    AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    AndyJS said:

    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?
    AndyJS said:

    Anazina said:

    Well this wedding is pushing my republican principles to the very limit.

    A royal wedding for lefties!

    In what ways is it a wedding for lefties?
    I think it was for everybody and I can understand why lefties may have felt left out in the past....
    A touching comment from you that does you great credit.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    edited May 2018

    Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!

    Well, consider:

    1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!

    2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!

    3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!

    So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!

    :)

    You posted that yesterday and are wrong on this.

    As I said monarchy is the essence of conservatism, as gsrdenwalker pointed out along with support for the family, the Union and the nation state. In relation to the subject of this threat that is even more than free trade and capitalism which have also been liberal concepts.

    Plenty of conservative dynasties too like the Bushes and the Churchills
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr Dean,

    "I'm no Christian, but if I had to, I'd much rather listen to the American guy than the usual bland platitudes. Some genuine passion and enthusiasm for his faith. Whatever next?"

    I only caught a part of it, but as a Catholic, I enjoyed the part I heard.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession

    I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...
    Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit home
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession

    I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...
    Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit home
    Yes. I will never forget that my car is propelled by tamed fire.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,914
    The far left defeated in Lewisham. Great news!!!!
    https://twitter.com/londonlabour/status/997818253337612288?s=21
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845

    The far left defeated in Lewisham. Great news!!!!
    https://twitter.com/londonlabour/status/997818253337612288?s=21

    That’s a shocker. The briefly disqualified one seemed first to the mark and had a good social media campaign.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    This wedding seems to have brought out PBers inner Nabavi.

    I though 'Osborne the near perfect chancellor' would take some beating but that's gone.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited May 2018
    what a splendid and timeless GB event that was.... a job well done

    As for the blue skies, green grass, historic buildings..... UK Plc never looked better.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845
    edited May 2018
    Roger said:

    This wedding seems to have brought out PBers inner Nabavi.

    I though 'Osborne the near perfect chancellor' would take some beating but that's gone.

    Did you actually see it?
    I watched with a full on, “woke” millennial Corbynista and she was hooked.

    PS the preacher was superb. The Episcopalians should ship him over here full time.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,914
    Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
    https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/997821099533627392?s=21
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    RoyalBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession

    I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...
    Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit home
    Yes. I will never forget that my car is propelled by tamed fire.
    Topping up the petrol at Shell will never be the same again!
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,845

    Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
    https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/997821099533627392?s=21

    The good folk of Catford won’t be fooled.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Excellent service, even the preacher have a memorable if long sermon and now the carriage passing through the packed streets of Windsor for the carriage procession

    I agree - altogether very well done, and the preacher would have been even more effective had he been a little bit shorter....a minor niggle in a jolly good show...
    Yes I think 5 minutes shorter would have done but he certainly hit home
    They needed an intervention from TwistedFireStopper.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    If the Church of England wants to boost their attendances - learn from that American Bishop!

    Passion, humour, dynamism. That's how to preach.

    I thought it was a lovely service. Best wishes to Harry and Meghan.

    Now let's bring on the Republic!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,839

    Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
    https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/997821099533627392?s=21

    (Looks at betting slips)

    Now do Momentum campaign for Daby, or run one of their own against her?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,503

    Lewisham East CLP have kicked Corbyn royally in the goolies. The far left roundly beaten.
    https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/997821099533627392?s=21

    Sounds a good candidate. It doesn't sound like LDs will be in with a chance:

    https://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/997752729018740736?s=19
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    If the Church of England wants to boost their attendances - learn from that American Bishop!

    Passion, humour, dynamism. That's how to preach.

    I thought it was a lovely service. Best wishes to Harry and Meghan.

    Now let's bring on the Republic!

    Moderators, please delete this radical nonsense.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152
    I was just a teensy bit surprised that there was no curtsey/bow to HMQ before they walked back down the aisle.

    Harry looked very much more relaxed and happy in the carriage ride.

    There was something gloriously eccentric but wonderful about having all that pageantry - the coach, the Household Guards etc - going down narrow ordinary town streets before the ride to the castle.

    A beautiful day. Auguri e figli maschi, as they say in Italy.

    And now back to real life.......
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    RoyalBlue said:

    If the Church of England wants to boost their attendances - learn from that American Bishop!

    Passion, humour, dynamism. That's how to preach.

    I thought it was a lovely service. Best wishes to Harry and Meghan.

    Now let's bring on the Republic!

    Moderators, please delete this radical nonsense.
    What? You don't think the service was lovely?
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    HYUFD said:

    Monarchism is essentially a form of Socialism! "What are you on about, Sunil?" I hear you cry!

    Well, consider:

    1) Monarchs have a job for life, which is quintessentially Socialist!

    2) The hereditary principle, a feature of Socialist dynasties around the world, such as the Kennedys in the USA, Nehru-Gandhis in India, and the Kims in North Korea!

    3) Pomp and circumstance - Trooping the Colour is after all merely a toned down version of all those North Korean and (former) Soviet military parades!

    So, my fellow PBers, I put it to you that Monarchism = Socialism!

    :)

    You posted that yesterday and are wrong on this.

    As I said monarchy is the essence of conservatism, as gsrdenwalker pointed out along with support for the family, the Union and the nation state. In relation to the subject of this threat that is even more than free trade and capitalism which have also been liberal concepts.

    Plenty of conservative dynasties too like the Bushes and the Churchills
    Kennedy's socialist ? He does write some utter crap.
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