I used to have a regular lunch with a friend and, come the day, each of us would wait until the last possible moment to cancel because we both knew we would both be cancelling.
The most logical and just Brexit position for Theresa to take is the softest Brexit possible. That way, if the public doesn't like it, they can vote for WTO terms at a later election. But if we start with nothing it will be all but impossible to get any goodies from the EU in the coming years. It's called giving the public as much choice as possible.
I am kind of resigned to this now. I feel future Tory leaders will elect to make sure we creep away from the E.U and it's institutions anyways.
Just had a phone call from the telegraph offering a subscription at a £1 a week for a year
A couple of things before you accept :
1. Remember, you will be liable for tax on the £52, so if you are a higher rate tax payer, then its more like £30 net to you 2. The small print probably mandates that you actually read the paper. I'd want to understand what checks they do, and how much time you are expected to source reading it.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
I don't see a Leave/Remain split in that link, is there one? I'd be curious to see how Leavers/Remainers compare on the breakdown for eg skilled migration etc
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
I don't see a Leave/Remain split in that link, is there one? I'd be curious to see how Leavers/Remainers compare on the breakdown for eg skilled migration etc
Just had a phone call from the telegraph offering a subscription at a £1 a week for a year
A couple of things before you accept :
1. Remember, you will be liable for tax on the £52, so if you are a higher rate tax payer, then its more like £30 net to you 2. The small print probably mandates that you actually read the paper. I'd want to understand what checks they do, and how much time you are expected to source reading it.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
I don't see a Leave/Remain split in that link, is there one? I'd be curious to see how Leavers/Remainers compare on the breakdown for eg skilled migration etc
there is on the link provided by Topping.
Topping's link is an IPSOS MORI one, yours was YouGov. I'm assuming they're different polls with different questions.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
Like most leavers I dont have a problem with immigration per se either, I just want it controlled sensibly. I want us to look after the people in our own society who are hardest hit by low wages, I want sensible housing and I want infrastructure that works.
Wrong!! Most leavers (please refer to @HYUFD) have a problem with immigration. Most people in this country have a problem with immigration.
As for the other stuff, immigration is neither here nor there in our attempts to address those issues. Like the EU it is a convenient and lazy peg upon which to hang our failure to do so.
Edit: always happy to sort out your formatting issues!!
I wouldn't base your claims just on PB, it's not the real world.
This entire post-referendum mess boils down to one thing: the catastrophic decision to trigger Article 50 without first understanding the complexities of the UK’s integration into the EU or having an agreed strategy about how to work through these. Everything else flows from that.
17 million voted Leave to trigger Article 50 much as diehard Remainers may wish to gloss over that fact
Correct. 17 million people voted to leave the EU and enter a world in which the UK would get all the benefits of membership but none of the costs, vast amounts would be invested in the NHS and the EU would give us a simple, cost-free Brexit.
But the world they voted for is a fantasy and cannot be made into reality simply by voting for it.
No they didn't. And given you didn't vote Leave you are in no position to make those claims. Like so many Remoaners you speak from a position of ignorance.
Of course I do not know what motivated either leave or remain voters. And nor do you. Each of the 17 million who voted leave would, I suppose, have had a slightly different combination of motives. This is the heart of the problem - there is no agreed interpretation of what "leave" means. May has made no attempt to achieve a national consensus on the issue and has instead allowed policy to be driven by the ERG. This has left the UK in a very weak position such that we will either go over the economic cliff or humbly accept whatever the EU offers us.
You may think this is what 17 million people voted for but I would beg to differ.
As HYUFD continuously points out, Leavers voted Leave because of immigration. Apart from one R. Tyndall that is.
Yet both make sweeping generalisations about their fellow travellers.
I made no sweeping generalisations. I simply said that Anothernick was wrong when he claimed to know why 17 million people voted Leave. It is you who are making the sweeping statements by claiming to know why people voted a particular way.
Oh and a number of Leave voters on here have made clear that they did not vote Leave because of immigration. RCS being one of them.
So pack up with your false claims get again. They do get tedious.
I'm not sure why pb's Conservatives are so depressed about the current government contortions about customs. It's not as though its eventual position is going to make very much difference to the ultimate outcome, which will be largely set by Brussels anyway on a take-it-or-leave-it basis.
Because there’s a significant number of Tory MPs that get positively tumescent at the prospect of no deal Brexit.
In my view a no deal Brexit dooms the Tory party in opposition for decades.
Even if PM Corbyn screws up he can blame the hard Brexiteers for the mess he inherited.
But look on the bright side - the Leavers would be forever damned by history - they would be vilified even more than the appeasers of the 1930s.
Yebbut aren't the REMAINERs all to willing to appease the EU's centralising drives?
The UK has had this huge problem in which overwhelmingly major business is London-centric / SE for decades. It isn't true in places like Germany, where a number of different cities have different major industries.
Gordo attempts at redistribution of public sector jobs to the regions, with on eye on stimulating the economy hasn't done much (other than drive up property prices in places like Bristol), and even though London is now bursting at the seams with lack of housing, business and people all still want to locate there.
The vast majority of undergraduates I have talked to at the big unis measure success as a graduate job in London.
Answers to the problem on the back of a postcode to ....
London is the big government / financial / cultural centre for the Britain.
In the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand they had the sense not to allow such a concentration.
And yet it is why London is the only world class city in Europe.
But how much does that benefit Londoners or the rest of the country ?
Certainly there are advantages but there are many who are disadvantaged as well - anyone under 30 who would like to buy a house in London for example.
Personally I'm quite happy that Londoners are prepared to work harder and pay more taxes and have a lower standard of living so that I can benefit
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Australian TV news crew had their £15k camera stolen in the street, while reporting from London on the Grenfell enquiry.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5810271/Masked-bike-thief-steals-TV-news-camera-Channel-Seven-London.html
1. Remember, you will be liable for tax on the £52, so if you are a higher rate tax payer, then its more like £30 net to you
2. The small print probably mandates that you actually read the paper. I'd want to understand what checks they do, and how much time you are expected to source reading it.
https://ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/attitudes-immigration-have-softened-referendum-most-still-want-see-it-reduced
The headline is fairly self-explanatory: most people want less immigration. What treasures have you unearthed in the article itself?
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Oh and a number of Leave voters on here have made clear that they did not vote Leave because of immigration. RCS being one of them.
So pack up with your false claims get again. They do get tedious.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125575094
Certainly there are advantages but there are many who are disadvantaged as well - anyone under 30 who would like to buy a house in London for example.
Personally I'm quite happy that Londoners are prepared to work harder and pay more taxes and have a lower standard of living so that I can benefit