One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
The EU can only keep those 'standards' while members agree. With the interior ministers of Germany and Italy, the Chancellor of Austria, the President of Hungary etc all taking a very tough anti migration line the EU's open borders policy is hanging by a very thin thread indeed
Although it is worth mentioning that there is a very different migrant policy between Lega Nord and the Hungarian government (to pick one). Lega Nord believes that the Hungarians - among others - should take their share of North African refugees, while the Hungarian government believes they are Italy's problem.
The Dublin Convention, simply because of geography, distributes the burden of refugees claiming asylum very unequally. It is hard to see how that system can survive. If it doesn't free movement between States will end too. No doubt the EU will continue to maintain a position with us that the 4 freedoms are indivisible though. They are like that.
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
The EU can only keep those 'standards' while members agree. With the interior ministers of Germany and Italy, the Chancellor of Austria, the President of Hungary etc all taking a very tough anti migration line the EU's open borders policy is hanging by a very thin thread indeed
Although it is worth mentioning that there is a very different migrant policy between Lega Nord and the Hungarian government (to pick one). Lega Nord believes that the Hungarians - among others - should take their share of North African refugees, while the Hungarian government believes they are Italy's problem.
Both though believe it is not their countries problem, so now the migrants have been forced to go to Spain
So the hypocrisy about immigration controls is truly transatlantic. Both the British and American publics want stringent immigration controls but not their consequences.
Different people, surely? Whilst the optics are appalling (perhaps intentionally), as others have said, you either have a border or you don't.
Doesn't the Hungarian government supported migration rights for Hungarians ?
There’s a massive statue in Budapest to a 'great leader’ who brought the Magyars, the original Hungarians, over the Carpathanian Mountains to what is now Hungary. Of course how many ‘genetic Magyars’ there now in Hungary is a metter for debate!
When you see large numbers of people, including top politicians, go to jail for corporate manslaughter you'll know they're taking things seriously.
It's difficult to prove mens rea for anyone other than the principles in an affair like this. Negligence and indifference, rightly or wrongly, are hard to prosecute.
If they're planning to plead that they have absolutely no idea WTF they're doing then that would explain the partnership with IOTA.
They've had medical use since 2001 u see. How odd a nation like Canada will have done no tests before either of those steps despite such long usage - given comments yesterday that we need to test it all before we take any steps. Is there no useful info we can trust from Canada about the potential harm?
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
The EU can only keep those 'standards' while members agree. With the interior ministers of Germany and Italy, the Chancellor of Austria, the President of Hungary etc all taking a very tough anti migration line the EU's open borders policy is hanging by a very thin thread indeed
Although it is worth mentioning that there is a very different migrant policy between Lega Nord and the Hungarian government (to pick one). Lega Nord believes that the Hungarians - among others - should take their share of North African refugees, while the Hungarian government believes they are Italy's problem.
Both though believe it is not their countries problem, so now the migrants have been forced to go to Spain
I'm off to bed now, but Spain is a classic example of how to (up to now) handle the North African migrants problem. They have accepted less than 1% of the number of refugees than the Italians or Greeks despite a land border with North Africa and substantially shorter sea routes.
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
The EU can only keep those 'standards' while members agree. With the interior ministers of Germany and Italy, the Chancellor of Austria, the President of Hungary etc all taking a very tough anti migration line the EU's open borders policy is hanging by a very thin thread indeed
Although it is worth mentioning that there is a very different migrant policy between Lega Nord and the Hungarian government (to pick one). Lega Nord believes that the Hungarians - among others - should take their share of North African refugees, while the Hungarian government believes they are Italy's problem.
The Dublin Convention, simply because of geography, distributes the burden of refugees claiming asylum very unequally. It is hard to see how that system can survive. If it doesn't free movement between States will end too. No doubt the EU will continue to maintain a position with us that the 4 freedoms are indivisible though. They are like that.
The EU theologians are just as ideological and inflexible as the hardest, most extreme of Brexiters.
The two feed off each other. A sensible pragmatic EU would have reached a compromise with the UK on its membership of the bloc long ago.
As a CFO have you any views on the audit companies being publicly disgraced yesterday:
' Every year the watchdog reviews the audits of Britain's biggest companies to ensure they meet certain standards. The FRC noted problems at all the firms, but KPMG was singled out for the poor quality of its work.
"There has been an unacceptable deterioration in quality at one firm, KPMG," the FRC said in a statement. "50% of KPMG's FTSE 350 audits required more than just limited improvements, compared to 35% in the previous year."
Stephen Haddrill, head of the FRC, said: "At a time when public trust in business and in audit is in the spotlight, the Big Four must improve the quality of their audits and do so quickly.
"They must address urgently several factors that are vital to audit, including the level of challenge and scepticism by auditors, in particular in their bank audits. We also expect improvements in group audits and in the audit of pension balances." '
BMG has Labour ahead and Tories in the 30s and this before the game-changing offer on medical cannabis,which.as stated in Mike's previous post,is popular with the Tory-leaning oldies.Only one poll but if a Labour lead becomes a trend and ,as I have said many times before,the Tories consistently post in the mid-30s or lower,May is toast a situation which could lead to a leadership contest in very quick time.The Tory party in full panic mode is a wonderful sight to see. It won't be Brexit or Corbyn who will have caused the Tory crash but a 12 year old boy called Billy,and many other children like him, and a tiny little seed.
Morning comrades. Anything of note going on in the HoC today?
Nothing at all. Even PMQs is set to be very dull, and then they will have a nice chat about a message from their posh friends in the Lords.
At risk of teaching granny to suck eggs, maybe RCS should consider linking to the parliamentary calendar (what's on today): https://calendar.parliament.uk/
There is also a reddit group which just follows bills trundling through parliament and links back to their pages on parliament.uk. I imagine but do not know that it is automatically scraped from there. https://www.reddit.com/r/UKbills/
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
The EU can only keep those 'standards' while members agree. With the interior ministers of Germany and Italy, the Chancellor of Austria, the President of Hungary etc all taking a very tough anti migration line the EU's open borders policy is hanging by a very thin thread indeed
Although it is worth mentioning that there is a very different migrant policy between Lega Nord and the Hungarian government (to pick one). Lega Nord believes that the Hungarians - among others - should take their share of North African refugees, while the Hungarian government believes they are Italy's problem.
The Dublin Convention, simply because of geography, distributes the burden of refugees claiming asylum very unequally. It is hard to see how that system can survive. If it doesn't free movement between States will end too. No doubt the EU will continue to maintain a position with us that the 4 freedoms are indivisible though. They are like that.
That they love to fudge and cherry pick is OK, but the pretending cheery picking as a principle is not ok is just not defensible from them. Specific cheery picks might remain unacceptable, but they love the principle of it.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
As a CFO have you any views on the audit companies being publicly disgraced yesterday:
' Every year the watchdog reviews the audits of Britain's biggest companies to ensure they meet certain standards. The FRC noted problems at all the firms, but KPMG was singled out for the poor quality of its work.
"There has been an unacceptable deterioration in quality at one firm, KPMG," the FRC said in a statement. "50% of KPMG's FTSE 350 audits required more than just limited improvements, compared to 35% in the previous year."
Stephen Haddrill, head of the FRC, said: "At a time when public trust in business and in audit is in the spotlight, the Big Four must improve the quality of their audits and do so quickly.
"They must address urgently several factors that are vital to audit, including the level of challenge and scepticism by auditors, in particular in their bank audits. We also expect improvements in group audits and in the audit of pension balances." '
I do have views, and I can tell you a story of a big accountancy form pitching for our businesses telling us how they could increase our reported profit.
(They said our capitalisation policy wasn't aggressive enough, and they'd be happy to sign off on more... errrr... "useful" measures, and therefore management bonuses would be higher. We didn't hire them. Just so you know.)
I don't want to libel anyone and I'm off to bed now. But if I ever meet you face to face, I'll tell you the full story.
So the string of no lab lead in the polls ends. It was a remarkable and baffling run given all the terrible stories for the Gov even if the polls cannot be trusted.
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
The EU can only keep those 'standards' while members agree. With the interior ministers of Germany and Italy, the Chancellor of Austria, the President of Hungary etc all taking a very tough anti migration line the EU's open borders policy is hanging by a very thin thread indeed
Although it is worth mentioning that there is a very different migrant policy between Lega Nord and the Hungarian government (to pick one). Lega Nord believes that the Hungarians - among others - should take their share of North African refugees, while the Hungarian government believes they are Italy's problem.
Though the ultimate policy position is deportation of all migrants and closing the external European border which is why they have banded together.
As a CFO have you any views on the audit companies being publicly disgraced yesterday:
' Every year the watchdog reviews the audits of Britain's biggest companies to ensure they meet certain standards. The FRC noted problems at all the firms, but KPMG was singled out for the poor quality of its work.
"There has been an unacceptable deterioration in quality at one firm, KPMG," the FRC said in a statement. "50% of KPMG's FTSE 350 audits required more than just limited improvements, compared to 35% in the previous year."
Stephen Haddrill, head of the FRC, said: "At a time when public trust in business and in audit is in the spotlight, the Big Four must improve the quality of their audits and do so quickly.
"They must address urgently several factors that are vital to audit, including the level of challenge and scepticism by auditors, in particular in their bank audits. We also expect improvements in group audits and in the audit of pension balances." '
I do have views, and I can tell you a story of a big accountancy form pitching for our businesses telling us how they could increase our reported profit.
(They said our capitalisation policy wasn't aggressive enough, and they'd be happy to sign off on more... errrr... "useful" measures, and therefore management bonuses would be higher. We didn't hire them. Just so you know.)
I don't want to libel anyone and I'm off to bed now. But if I ever meet you face to face, I'll tell you the full story.
Wasn't there a story that when Terry Smith's book came out, one FD was told by his chairman, if we're using more than six of these, you're sacked; and if we're not using at least three, you're also sacked?
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
So the string of no lab lead in the polls ends. It was a remarkable and baffling run given all the terrible stories for the Gov even if the polls cannot be trusted.
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
Yet the EU colluded with the German government and the German car makers to ignore its own rules leading to the premature deaths of many thousands of people.
What is it about mention of 'Germans' and emissions that leads to totally bonkers posts by even the brightest of posters
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
I do note a strange focus among some to focus purely on maximising GDP from an academic perspective. Maybe it is my left wing training but I feel economics can't be separated from the political economy perspective. We have seen how rapid migration causes major surges in support for far right parties. This level would likely see a collapse in democracy in several Western nations, which would reduce democratisation elsewhere. That would clearly be greater cost in the medium to long run.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
The other thing is that we'd be free to colonise the developing world. Somehow I don't think that's what the migration liberals have in mind.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
And Victorian communications (both physical and informational).
BMG has Labour ahead and Tories in the 30s and this before the game-changing offer on medical cannabis,which.as stated in Mike's previous post,is popular with the Tory-leaning oldies.Only one poll but if a Labour lead becomes a trend and ,as I have said many times before,the Tories consistently post in the mid-30s or lower,May is toast a situation which could lead to a leadership contest in very quick time.The Tory party in full panic mode is a wonderful sight to see. It won't be Brexit or Corbyn who will have caused the Tory crash but a 12 year old boy called Billy,and many other children like him, and a tiny little seed.
I think it is time for you to get as excited as we got about the 7% Tory lead a couple of weeks back..... ie, not at all. Outliers happen.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Milton Friedman pointed out that you can have free migration or you can have a welfare state, but you can't have both. My guess is that welfare states plus immigration control is the voters' preferred option.
BMG has Labour ahead and Tories in the 30s and this before the game-changing offer on medical cannabis,which.as stated in Mike's previous post,is popular with the Tory-leaning oldies.Only one poll but if a Labour lead becomes a trend and ,as I have said many times before,the Tories consistently post in the mid-30s or lower,May is toast a situation which could lead to a leadership contest in very quick time.The Tory party in full panic mode is a wonderful sight to see. It won't be Brexit or Corbyn who will have caused the Tory crash but a 12 year old boy called Billy,and many other children like him, and a tiny little seed.
The poll predates this story and is typical of BMG.
One of the things I've always liked about the EU is that it has demanded decent standards of its members as a qualification for joining and belonging. Whether some countries have been forced kicking and screaming to abide by these values doesn't matter. The EU stamp guarantees standards.
Even those who claim we didn't need the EU to guarantee our behaviour because we are above those standards anyway miss the point that by being a part of that club we helped to force those standards in places that couldn't take them for granted
Yet the EU colluded with the German government and the German car makers to ignore its own rules leading to the premature deaths of many thousands of people.
What is it about mention of 'Germans' and emissions that leads to totally bonkers posts by even the brightest of posters
' Since at least 2010, the European Commission has been in possession of concrete evidence that automobile manufacturers were cheating on emissions values of diesel vehicles, according to a number of internal documents that SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained. The papers show that emissions cheating had been under discussion for years both within the Commission and the EU member state governments. The documents also show that the German government was informed of a 2012 meeting on the issue. The scandal first hit the headlines in 2015 when it became known that Volkswagen had manipulated the emissions of its diesel vehicles. '
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Why? Migrants generally get jobs and work. There's no problem sustaining a normal welfare system if people are getting jobs and working in higher proportions than they're claiming. This happens even now, despite policies that whether by accident or by design try really hard to keep out people who want to work and only let in dependents of people who are already there.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
Why do you think it would be limited to southern England ?
Mr. kle4, the verbal diarrhoea could be strategy. If you swamp an easily outraged media with things to whine about, that stops real issues cutting through the white noise, and means there's new whining coming every day, so momentum is less likely to build because the topic of conversation keeps shifting.
Of course, he might just love the sound of his own voice.
As the article points out, repeat a lie often enough and it gains a certain amount of credibility. Trump seems intent on testing this tendency to destruction.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Why? Migrants generally get jobs and work. There's no problem sustaining a normal welfare system if people are getting jobs and working in higher proportions than they're claiming. This happens even now, despite policies that whether by accident or by design try really hard to keep out people who want to work and only let in dependents of people who are already there.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
your claim about 'migrants getting work' and the current levels of youth employment in a lot of Europe isn't really defeating the age old arguement about 'migrants took our jobs'....
And if you can't see how the NHS and the general welfare state would utterly fall apart under your uptopia, then I really can't help you.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
It didn't work even in Victorian times. Hence the Aliens act to keep out Jews fleeing Czarist pogroms.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
Global free movement would lead to mass movement from Latin America to the USA and Canada, Africa to Europe and South Asia to the Far East and Oceania leading to huge pressure on land and resources in the latter
As a CFO have you any views on the audit companies being publicly disgraced yesterday:
' Every year the watchdog reviews the audits of Britain's biggest companies to ensure they meet certain standards. The FRC noted problems at all the firms, but KPMG was singled out for the poor quality of its work.
"There has been an unacceptable deterioration in quality at one firm, KPMG," the FRC said in a statement. "50% of KPMG's FTSE 350 audits required more than just limited improvements, compared to 35% in the previous year."
Stephen Haddrill, head of the FRC, said: "At a time when public trust in business and in audit is in the spotlight, the Big Four must improve the quality of their audits and do so quickly.
"They must address urgently several factors that are vital to audit, including the level of challenge and scepticism by auditors, in particular in their bank audits. We also expect improvements in group audits and in the audit of pension balances." '
I do have views, and I can tell you a story of a big accountancy form pitching for our businesses telling us how they could increase our reported profit.
(They said our capitalisation policy wasn't aggressive enough, and they'd be happy to sign off on more... errrr... "useful" measures, and therefore management bonuses would be higher. We didn't hire them. Just so you know.)
I don't want to libel anyone and I'm off to bed now. But if I ever meet you face to face, I'll tell you the full story.
That chimes. I have (in my view, justifiably) cynical views about the practices of the Big 4 based on experience.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Why? Migrants generally get jobs and work. There's no problem sustaining a normal welfare system if people are getting jobs and working in higher proportions than they're claiming. This happens even now, despite policies that whether by accident or by design try really hard to keep out people who want to work and only let in dependents of people who are already there.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
your claim about 'migrants getting work' and the current levels of youth employment in a lot of Europe isn't really defeating the age old arguement about 'migrants took our jobs'....
And if you can't see how the NHS and the general welfare state would utterly fall apart under your uptopia, then I really can't help you.
You could, of course, both be right.
It's likely true that a word with open borders would be a better place - but the transition from one state to the other would be protracted, and extremely painful for some countries.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Why? Migrants generally get jobs and work. There's no problem sustaining a normal welfare system if people are getting jobs and working in higher proportions than they're claiming. This happens even now, despite policies that whether by accident or by design try really hard to keep out people who want to work and only let in dependents of people who are already there.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
You haven't been to the area I live then,poor Eastern European large families on benefits.
BMG has Labour ahead and Tories in the 30s and this before the game-changing offer on medical cannabis,which.as stated in Mike's previous post,is popular with the Tory-leaning oldies.Only one poll but if a Labour lead becomes a trend and ,as I have said many times before,the Tories consistently post in the mid-30s or lower,May is toast a situation which could lead to a leadership contest in very quick time.The Tory party in full panic mode is a wonderful sight to see. It won't be Brexit or Corbyn who will have caused the Tory crash but a 12 year old boy called Billy,and many other children like him, and a tiny little seed.
Tories on 38% even with BMG ie still more than Cameron got in 2015 and Javid is easing restrictions on medicinal cannabis anyway
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
The story of the last 100 or so years is that whenever the principle of free movement comes into conflict with reality, reality wins.
It was (effectively) global free movement until the 1900s but so few could afford or make use of it, and those that could wanted to emigrate not immigrate, that it wasn’t an issue. Then we restricted it outside the Empire.
Up until the 1960s we effectively had free movement within the commonwealth, then that ended.
Up until 2016(and whenever it expires.. 2021?) we had free movement in the EU, until the people rebelled against that too.
Free movement is fine in principle, until the numbers become a problem and then it isn’t.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
your claim about 'migrants getting work' and the current levels of youth employment in a lot of Europe isn't really defeating the age old arguement about 'migrants took our jobs'....
And if you can't see how the NHS and the general welfare state would utterly fall apart under your uptopia, then I really can't help you.
You could, of course, both be right.
It's likely true that a word with open borders would be a better place - but the transition from one state to the other would be protracted, and extremely painful for some countries.
Indeed. Given that the world average GDP is $17,300. If that was evened out (and increased a bit as EiT would claim), then if was a much more even $20,000 then the UK could become somewhere like.....
Bulgaria, Belarus, or the Gabon.
Happy days.
Edit; That would mean also halving our GDP per Capita.
BMG has Labour ahead and Tories in the 30s and this before the game-changing offer on medical cannabis,which.as stated in Mike's previous post,is popular with the Tory-leaning oldies.Only one poll but if a Labour lead becomes a trend and ,as I have said many times before,the Tories consistently post in the mid-30s or lower,May is toast a situation which could lead to a leadership contest in very quick time.The Tory party in full panic mode is a wonderful sight to see. It won't be Brexit or Corbyn who will have caused the Tory crash but a 12 year old boy called Billy,and many other children like him, and a tiny little seed.
Tories on 38% even with BMG ie still more than Cameron got in 2015 and Javid is easing restrictions on medicinal cannabis anyway
Medicinal cannabis will not feature as a big issue in the next GE - file under Windrush and Train timetables.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
I do note a strange focus among some to focus purely on maximising GDP from an academic perspective. Maybe it is my left wing training but I feel economics can't be separated from the political economy perspective. We have seen how rapid migration causes major surges in support for far right parties. This level would likely see a collapse in democracy in several Western nations, which would reduce democratisation elsewhere. That would clearly be greater cost in the medium to long run.
If you’re a citizen of the world type - well educated, well off, multilingual, and with a interesting international career - and you think nations and religions are anachronistic and all people are all the same and should be free to live and work wherever they choose, then it sort of makes sense. Because all that’s left that really matters is money.
But, it’s no less ideological than socialism, anarcho-capitalism or nationalism.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
Why do you think it would be limited to southern England ?
It wouldn’t, but I’d expect London and its satellite towns to be the magnet as it’s the most dynamic and globalised part of our economy, with existing migrant communities from almost all parts of the world.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
Global free movement would lead to mass movement from Latin America to the USA and Canada, Africa to Europe and South Asia to the Far East and Oceania leading to huge pressure on land and resources in the latter
We know the consequences because Merkel effectively experimented with it in 2015-2016 and got a million migrants, a measurable increase in local disorder and sexual crimes, Brexit, a politically fragmenting EU with a surge in the far-Right, as well as crippling her own political future for her trouble.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
Thanks.
It’s a view.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Yes it is a view, just like nearly every other post on here. It is a view. It is.
I respect Edmund has his own perspective, but I think it’s exceedingly idealistic and not at all founded in the real world.
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
Why do you think it would be limited to southern England ?
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Why? Migrants generally get jobs and work. There's no problem sustaining a normal welfare system if people are getting jobs and working in higher proportions than they're claiming. This happens even now, despite policies that whether by accident or by design try really hard to keep out people who want to work and only let in dependents of people who are already there.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
You haven't been to the area I live then,poor Eastern European large families on benefits.
It’s precisely the fatuous “jobs” argument I warned about in my post at 8:34.
No betting angle particularly but out of interest what happens to kids in the British immigration system?
The one silver lining to this is that Trump is acting like a kind of cartoon super-villain discrediting a lot of banal state-perpetrated evil that's been going on since governments started trying to manage which humans lived on which side of their imaginary lines.
You favour global free movement?
Yes. Or as @rcs1000 frames it, a return to a Victorian immigration policy.
The post-WW1 system is a massive failure. It's arbitrary, immoral, and the costs are unfathomably immense - something like 100% of world GDP - ie but for this disastrous experiment in command-and-control, the world would be something like twice as rich as it currently is.
A Victorian immigration policy only works if you have a Victorian welfare State, and Victorian methods of travel.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
A Victorian immigration policy would only work if we also had a Victorian Workhouse policy,,,,
Why? Migrants generally get jobs and work. There's no problem sustaining a normal welfare system if people are getting jobs and working in higher proportions than they're claiming. This happens even now, despite policies that whether by accident or by design try really hard to keep out people who want to work and only let in dependents of people who are already there.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
You haven't been to the area I live then,poor Eastern European large families on benefits.
It’s precisely the fatuous “jobs” argument I warned about in my post at 8:34.
Bang on cue.
Much social security spending goes on in-work benefits. If we had free migration, then you'd either have to scrap them, or the cost would balloon.
"I don't understand why children are being separated from their parents. Either they are legal migrants and the family stays together in entering the USA, or they're illegal migrants and the family stays together in not entering the USA."
The families are not simply bounced from the border, the parents are charged with illegal entry into the United States, that's the nub of the change the mandatory criminalisation of people caught crossing the border.
The parents aren't simply thrown back south, they go to jail. The kids can't go to jail, hence they go into the care of the state. (in this case a big cage).
It's brutal, but it'll work very quickly. Why risk going north when this may happen?
Either the United States has a border and enforces it or it does not. It's brutal as you say - but of course it's the fault of the parents for trying to enter the US illegally while dragging their kids through a potentially dangerous border crossing.
Many many people try legally to get a green card and legal permanent residency and then US citizenship. Same with entry into Europe. If crossing the Mexican border or the Med and landing gives you effectively the same thing why should anyone bother going via the legal route?
You could equally argue that it is cruel to jail any parent who commits a crime in the UK - in case their child has to go into care?
In the end if you care about your kids and their welfare - don't break the law including immigration law.
That doesn't of course absolve the US government from looking after these kids properly - but parents who commit crimes shouldn't just be absolved of them because they have children?
No-one is saying that parents should be absolved of crimes just because they have children. But why separate families while their cases are being decided? Either deport them as a family or keep them together - in detention if necessary. It’s the separation which is cruel and unworthy of a decent nation. The parents have mot been convicted yet and some may have legitimate claims for asylum.
Of course I know why: @JonathanD explained the relevant US law yesterday. But then it should be a priority to change that law pdq to allow more humane treatment even of those accused of breaking US immigration law.
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Of course how many ‘genetic Magyars’ there now in Hungary is a metter for debate!
The two feed off each other. A sensible pragmatic EU would have reached a compromise with the UK on its membership of the bloc long ago.
' Every year the watchdog reviews the audits of Britain's biggest companies to ensure they meet certain standards. The FRC noted problems at all the firms, but KPMG was singled out for the poor quality of its work.
"There has been an unacceptable deterioration in quality at one firm, KPMG," the FRC said in a statement. "50% of KPMG's FTSE 350 audits required more than just limited improvements, compared to 35% in the previous year."
Stephen Haddrill, head of the FRC, said: "At a time when public trust in business and in audit is in the spotlight, the Big Four must improve the quality of their audits and do so quickly.
"They must address urgently several factors that are vital to audit, including the level of challenge and scepticism by auditors, in particular in their bank audits. We also expect improvements in group audits and in the audit of pension balances." '
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44526486
It won't be Brexit or Corbyn who will have caused the Tory crash but a 12 year old boy called Billy,and many other children like him, and a tiny little seed.
At risk of teaching granny to suck eggs, maybe RCS should consider linking to the parliamentary calendar (what's on today): https://calendar.parliament.uk/
There is also a reddit group which just follows bills trundling through parliament and links back to their pages on parliament.uk. I imagine but do not know that it is automatically scraped from there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UKbills/
Whilst global free movement might sound a nice idea in principle to some, in reality the UK would have immigration in the millions to it every year and there would be large shanty towns around virtually every town and suburb of significance in southern England.
I know some will claim “jobs” but I don’t buy that. The UK is a safe and secure place, free from war, famine and violence, and tens of millions would seek their way here if they could and worry about the rest afterwards.
(They said our capitalisation policy wasn't aggressive enough, and they'd be happy to sign off on more... errrr... "useful" measures, and therefore management bonuses would be higher. We didn't hire them. Just so you know.)
I don't want to libel anyone and I'm off to bed now. But if I ever meet you face to face, I'll tell you the full story.
Worldwide, the post WWI period has seen the biggest rise in living standards ever.
Tick, tock.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/commission-has-long-known-of-diesel-emissions-manipulation-a-1103249.html
Its fascinating what some people are prepared to tolerate when it involves the 'right' people.
I wonder what the response would have been if it had been US carmakers acting illegally with the knowledge of the Trump administration.
People like getting jobs and working, because they get money. People working and creating economic activity also creates more jobs, so you don't run out. You create a lot of jobs while you're doubling world GDP. And we're talking about *global* open borders, so it's not like all the world's sick people would show up in one rich country.
And if you can't see how the NHS and the general welfare state would utterly fall apart under your uptopia, then I really can't help you.
It's likely true that a word with open borders would be a better place - but the transition from one state to the other would be protracted, and extremely painful for some countries.
It was (effectively) global free movement until the 1900s but so few could afford or make use of it, and those that could wanted to emigrate not immigrate, that it wasn’t an issue. Then we restricted it outside the Empire.
Up until the 1960s we effectively had free movement within the commonwealth, then that ended.
Up until 2016(and whenever it expires.. 2021?) we had free movement in the EU, until the people rebelled against that too.
Free movement is fine in principle, until the numbers become a problem and then it isn’t.
Bulgaria, Belarus, or the Gabon.
Happy days.
Edit; That would mean also halving our GDP per Capita.
But, it’s no less ideological than socialism, anarcho-capitalism or nationalism.
It’s stark raving bonkers.
Bang on cue.
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NEW THREAD
Of course I know why: @JonathanD explained the relevant US law yesterday. But then it should be a priority to change that law pdq to allow more humane treatment even of those accused of breaking US immigration law.