The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.
Miss Cyclefree, for some, 'diversity' trumps competence. There's been some furore over comments Shriver made regarding Penguin's drive for diversity, including Shriver being axed from a judging panel.
On a more minor note, last year I was attacked somewhat on Twitter for my apparently odious claim that books should be judged on quality, not the demographics of the author (but I would say that, being an evil white man...).
Indeed, we risk becoming as a society quite as obsessed with minute gradations of skin colour and other irrelevant and unchangeable characteristics as some historically evil and unpleasant regimes. It is not an improvement.
Quite. I get the idea on ingrained prejudices and,barriers which may not be obvious but still need addressing, but there seems a trend toward hyper awareness and sensitivity on race and other identifiers, making us focus on them more, not less, as time goes on.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.
Nope. Straightforward win for the government, thanks to so-called Labour MPs propping up the government. The Labour Leavers are a rum bunch.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I think you've undermined your first sentence with the last two. The Lords might be overreaching, and Grieve was disingenuous about the effect of his amendment, and the Gov have been up to tricks. All are using parliamentary shenanigans. There's no need to bring up loyalty or heritage
The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.
Nope. Straightforward win for the government, thanks to so-called Labour MPs propping up the government. The Labour Leavers are a rum bunch.
This is how things work here. Change comes not from speeches and soundbites, but from lots of messy compromises, little steps and weird bedfellows.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
LOL
Before long, Grieve will try and get Barnier or Junker to become PM!
Corbyn is very like May: the ability to hang on and on and defy all attempts to oust him. There is more to leadership than that, as we are seeing with Mrs May.
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I was thinking of his early years as leader when he faced votes of no confidence from the PLP and Shadow Cabinet resignations (though some more junior resignations have happened in recent weeks) which would likely have felled a different leader.
But however much you disagree with him, he should not be dismissed. He has led Labour to a new place. No doubt about that.
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May on the other hand, doesn't offer much on leadership. For me she is a poor man's late Gordon Brown. It's all about duty, resilience and tactical party management. The Tories are where they were two years ago, but weaker.
It's because I don't underrate him, that I think he could achieve a great deal of harm, as Prime Minister.
I fear McDonnell even more.
I think he’d ruin my family, and millions of others like it.
Irrational fear.
What on earth do you fear.
The man’s a Marxist. Regimes inspired by Marx killed 100 million of their own people, and made life a misery for the rest. McDonnell is proud not to accept donations from ‘bourgeois organisations’.
He is extremely dangerous.
So was Jeshua ben Marium, crucified, and look how many people killed and died for him, but then the Son of God and his followers were guaranteed to have their sins forgiven. Then the Sainted Tony with his pal GW Bush (Supported by Cameron and many in the Tories (and who can forget Libya and Syria)) with the blood of millions on their hands from Iraq and Afghanistan. Once you manage to clean the dust from your knees, you might realise how weak and daft you sound.
The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.
No it's arcane debating about procedural matters which may or may not be required in a few months based on certain hypothetical scenarios. Do even the proposers of the amendments - let alone most of those voting on them - know what they would mean in practice?
The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.
No it's arcane debating about procedural matters which may or may not be required in a few months based on certain hypothetical scenarios. Do even the proposers of the amendments - let alone most of those voting on them - know what they would mean in practice?
When is a meaningful vote meaningful?
It must look very odd to voters.
Just because it looks odd to voters (all of Westminster is arcane and an anachronism) doesn't mean that it isn't important.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
LOL
Before long, Grieve will try and get Barnier or Junker to become PM!
For a second Glorious Revolution it should be someone from Benelux, so Juncker or Verhofstadt.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
If the Government has conceded that the motion can be amended, then presumably they'll have no problem with voting for the Lords amendment that says just that.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!
Would never have guessed!
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
I'm now utterly confused, and I expect most people are over this navel gazing stuff.
Yeah I've got no idea what's going on. I'd sort of assumed this was all storm in a teacup stuff, but some of the wiser heads on here like OGH and TSE seem to think this could be the end of Theresa May.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!
Would never have guessed!
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
ha I thought you must be on gardening leave....far too much time posting on PB.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!
Would never have guessed!
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
ha I thought you must be on gardening leave....far too much time posting on PB.
Going/doing anything nice on the time off?
Lol, they agreed to give me 3 months gardening leave and three months double pay for my 6 month notice (which contractually I was entitled to take all as gardening leave). Clearly, I didn't do very much work.
Wedding planning, honeymoon planning then the honeymoon. Got to finish buying my place, hopefully it will complete next month. The London property market has huge discounts available for anyone who asks! I got about £200k off the asking price for my place.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!
Would never have guessed!
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
ha I thought you must be on gardening leave....far too much time posting on PB.
Going/doing anything nice on the time off?
Lol, they agreed to give me 3 months gardening leave and three months double pay for my 6 month notice (which contractually I was entitled to take all as gardening leave). Clearly, I didn't do very much work.
Wedding planning, honeymoon planning then the honeymoon. Got to finish buying my place, hopefully it will complete next month. The London property market has huge discounts available for anyone who asks! I got about £200k off the asking price for my place.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
Not for the first time, I am in absolute agreement with your eminent reason.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
Not for the first time, I am in absolute agreement with your eminent reason.
If only you could overcome your xocolatophobia...
I have no phobia about chocolate. Love the good stuff. Just like eating - rather than drinking - it.
But I have now given up coffee. So perhaps you could see your way to forgiving me .......
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
Not for the first time, I am in absolute agreement with your eminent reason.
If only you could overcome your xocolatophobia...
I have no phobia about chocolate. Love the good stuff. Just like eating - rather than drinking - it.
But I have now given up coffee. So perhaps you could see your way to forgiving me .......
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
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Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...
I could not care less who his parents are or where he was educated. Unlike Ms Patel he understands the importance of not lying, which is rather more important than his mother’s nationality.
Edited: I see that @Tissue_Price has pointed out that it’s not Ms Patel’s tweet. Her supporters should be ashamed of themselves.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
+1. I get very tired of personal abuse on both sides on this debate. It really doesn't help.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...
I could not care less who his parents are or where he was educated. Unlike Ms Patel he understands the importance of not lying, which is rather more important than his mother’s nationality. Priti Patel should be ashamed of that tweet.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...
I could not care less who his parents are or where he was educated. Unlike Ms Patel he understands the importance of not lying, which is rather more important than his mother’s nationality. Priti Patel should be ashamed of that tweet.
As has already been mentioned I am pretty sure that is not Patel's twitter feed. Some deluded supporter I suspect.
Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.
Other than that, good point.
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.
Noted.
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.
Noted.
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.
Light bends around you.
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.
Grieve's mother is French.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
I'm, usually, trolling/goading the ardent remainers on PB.
I said before I really do believe that Grieve is a traitor, however I think the rest of them are just misguided. It's not his background or his mum's citizenship (which I didn't know about until someone here pointed it out) but his actions in Parliament. He has systematically undermined the British negotiating position while strengthening our opponent's. For that he has crossed the line. You may not believe in leaving, you may not agree with it, however, everyone in this country should be agreed that the UK needs to negotiate from a position of strength, Grieve has proven with his actions time and again he doesn't believe that. The logical conclusion is that he serves another master.
Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
+1. I get very tired of personal abuse on both sides on this debate. It really doesn't help.
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No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Jared_O'Mara&mpc=Sheffield,_Hallam&house=commons&display=everyvote#divisions
Its not
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=181
No wonder Jez likes him.
Lib Dem gain nailed on.
When is a meaningful vote meaningful?
It must look very odd to voters.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
I wonder how a by-election would go there now. Labour would win but a big swing from Lab -> Green would be my guess.
It's way past the final whistle in terms of time.
Noted.
Hanretty estimates Hallam voted 66% Remain, which is in the same ball park as Lewisham East, and we saw the Lab to LD swing there.
Plus I can see a lot of Tories voting tactically to get rid of O'Mara.
Call their bluff Theresa - and if you fail, go.
Light bends around you.
TSE was factually incorrect he is voting now
It is nothing like having a SF MP
and regarding Corbyn I do not believe in UND
REGARDING LABOUR MPs loads of examples where i criticise them
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas1
https://www.civilservicejobs.service.gov.uk/csr/jobs.cgi?jcode=1586968
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009425738670444546
To reassure you further, there's no guarantee that our request for an extension will be met.
Increasingly difficult to see Anna Soubry staying in the party.
Can he ?
I'll admit I'm a bit lost.
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=21
I'd sort of assumed this was all storm in a teacup stuff, but some of the wiser heads on here like OGH and TSE seem to think this could be the end of Theresa May.
Going/doing anything nice on the time off?
1. That the House can sit in private; and
2. That a motion can be expressed in neutral terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election#2018
Wedding planning, honeymoon planning then the honeymoon. Got to finish buying my place, hopefully it will complete next month. The London property market has huge discounts available for anyone who asks! I got about £200k off the asking price for my place.
Churchill tried to merge the UK and France into one country.
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/536106/
If only you could overcome your xocolatophobia...
“Better be a Nazi province. At least we know what that means.”
But I have now given up coffee. So perhaps you could see your way to forgiving me .......
Edited: I see that @Tissue_Price has pointed out that it’s not Ms Patel’s tweet. Her supporters should be ashamed of themselves.
Parody account of some kind.
I said before I really do believe that Grieve is a traitor, however I think the rest of them are just misguided. It's not his background or his mum's citizenship (which I didn't know about until someone here pointed it out) but his actions in Parliament. He has systematically undermined the British negotiating position while strengthening our opponent's. For that he has crossed the line. You may not believe in leaving, you may not agree with it, however, everyone in this country should be agreed that the UK needs to negotiate from a position of strength, Grieve has proven with his actions time and again he doesn't believe that. The logical conclusion is that he serves another master.