If it wasn't for the deep ahistoricity of PB (as I frequently say, "PB has no memory"), the lack of knowledge about film here would have surprised me.
Film has been used for metaphor and propaganda since the very beginning. When was "Birth of a Nation" for pity's sake, the 1910s or 20s? It's effectively a Klan recruitment ad. "Battleship Potemkin", "In the Heat of the Night", "Kramer vs Kramer", "The Deerhunter", "Mrs Miniver", "A Matter of Life or Death", "Colonel Blimp" (short title, can't remember), "The Green Berets" "All Quiet on the Western Front", "Coming Home", "Gallipoli", "9 to 5", " all have an overt point and there's nothing there after 1981.
Aaaargh!
There's also the attention span of PB... I made more or less the same point lower down in this thread.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
There’s the UK which is leaving and Ireland which has the full support of the other 26.
A bit adversarial surely? If this goes horribly wrong the Irish will be even worse off than the British. Mr Varadkar may yet go down as Barnier’s useful idiot....
Current New Zealand Foreign Minister Winston Peters (currently PM while Ardern is on maternity leave) met Boris Johnson only recently and has been pushing a trade deal with the UK as 'an absolute priority' post Brexit
Current New Zealand Foreign Minister Winston Peters (currently PM while Ardern is on maternity leave) met Boris Johnson only recently and has been pushing a trade deal with the UK as 'an absolute priority' post Brexit
So May has the SNP voting for her on Heathrow but Hands and co voting against?
The SNP have been bought by Heathrow Airports Ltd for a piddling amount including £1.5m investment by the firm in a marketing campaign to promote Scotland.
If it wasn't for the deep ahistoricity of PB (as I frequently say, "PB has no memory"), the lack of knowledge about film here would have surprised me.
Film has been used for metaphor and propaganda since the very beginning. When was "Birth of a Nation" for pity's sake, the 1910s or 20s? It's effectively a Klan recruitment ad. "Battleship Potemkin", "In the Heat of the Night", "Kramer vs Kramer", "The Deerhunter", "Mrs Miniver", "A Matter of Life or Death", "Colonel Blimp" (short title, can't remember), "The Green Berets" "All Quiet on the Western Front", "Coming Home", "Gallipoli", "9 to 5", " all have an overt point and there's nothing there after 1981.
Aaaargh!
There's also the attention span of PB... I made more or less the same point lower down in this thread.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
So May has the SNP voting for her on Heathrow but Hands and co voting against?
The SNP have been bought by Heathrow Airports Ltd for a piddling amount including £1.5m investment by the firm in a marketing campaign to promote Scotland.
Never say the nationalists are not attracted by the gold of London
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
The Irish eventually told us to sod off and founded the Irish Free State, we have also eventually decided to tell the EU to sod off too and there is only so much pushing around we will take for a deal
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
The Irish eventually told us to sod off and founded the Irish Free State, we have also eventually decided to tell the EU to sod off too and there is only so much pushing around we will take for a deal
You are making the analogy between the creation of the Irish Free State and our leaving the EU?
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
Current New Zealand Foreign Minister Winston Peters (currently PM while Ardern is on maternity leave) met Boris Johnson only recently and has been pushing a trade deal with the UK as 'an absolute priority' post Brexit
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
The Irish eventually told us to sod off and founded the Irish Free State, we have also eventually decided to tell the EU to sod off too and there is only so much pushing around we will take for a deal
You are making the analogy between the creation of the Irish Free State and our leaving the EU?
Whoo-ee!
Although hopefully we will avoid the conflict of the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
People said the same thing about the UK not being in the Eurozone, with the Eurozone nations having a QMV majority.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
The Irish eventually told us to sod off and founded the Irish Free State, we have also eventually decided to tell the EU to sod off too and there is only so much pushing around we will take for a deal
You are making the analogy between the creation of the Irish Free State and our leaving the EU?
Whoo-ee!
Although hopefully we will avoid the conflict of the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War
As long as Spain and Argentina don't join in we should be fine.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
No they don't. Brown signed big chunks of "having to" away in the middle of the night in Lisbon (you remember the one we were diddled out of a vote on). More QMV and all that jazz.
They clearly didn't give the remotest fig about our concerns when Cameron asked them too.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
The Irish eventually told us to sod off and founded the Irish Free State, we have also eventually decided to tell the EU to sod off too and there is only so much pushing around we will take for a deal
You are making the analogy between the creation of the Irish Free State and our leaving the EU?
Whoo-ee!
Although hopefully we will avoid the conflict of the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War
As long as Spain and Argentina don't join in we should be fine.
We should be fine even then and the former has its hands full with Catalonia
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
The Irish eventually told us to sod off and founded the Irish Free State, we have also eventually decided to tell the EU to sod off too and there is only so much pushing around we will take for a deal
You are making the analogy between the creation of the Irish Free State and our leaving the EU?
Whoo-ee!
Although hopefully we will avoid the conflict of the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War
As long as Spain and Argentina don't join in we should be fine.
We'll need to band together to fight that bear though, it's probably too much for our armed forces at the moment.
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
Apart from the fact post Brexit UK will be the EU's biggest export destination
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
Apart from the fact post Brexit UK will be the EU's biggest export destination
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
Apart from the fact post Brexit UK will be the EU's biggest export destination
More than the US ?
More even than the US yes and that was before Trump's tariffs on EU goods
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
And people want us to stay in this club?
As a member of the EU, the other 27 countries have to care what we think. After Brexit they don't have to give a monkey's.
Apart from the fact post Brexit UK will be the EU's biggest export destination
“26 member states”? Surely there are currently 28?
Ireland is in the EU, in the Euro, has had vast EU project money and has no populist anti immigration parties in its top 3 parties in the polls and Varadkar is sucking up to Brussels like there is no tomorrow to push no hard border.
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The Irish have been pushed around by the British for centuries. EU membership means they are now in a position to push us around. Which they will continue to do.
ROI about to move from net recipients to net contributors to the cartel.
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27+UK = 28
Bar Belgium and Luxembourg Ireland is probably the most EUphile European state now
The SNP have been bought by Heathrow Airports Ltd for a piddling amount including £1.5m investment by the firm in a marketing campaign to promote Scotland.
A dangerous place to resign, but kudos for style. Did he have a parachute?
Whoo-ee!
They clearly didn't give the remotest fig about our concerns when Cameron asked them too.
So we are where we are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbE53XUtVw0
https://order-order.com/2018/06/21/labour-parliamentary-candidate-posted-holocaust-mongers-defended-jackie-walker/
She also had a bear
I've often seen her little lamb
I've never seen her bear
Thanks for that world class analysis.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdf
Which is hilarious.
Edit: actually go for it. Who am I to say what we should talk about.