Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate
Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?
I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
The economy is still basking in the reflection of Osborne's golden legacy, while Brexit remains just a shimmering and unrealized prospect on the horizon. The golden legacy won't last for ever, and soon we'll be faced with our Brexit day of reckoning. (My God I hope I'm wrong!) but things could turn cold very quickly.
But Brexit IS Osborne's economic legacy. I fear it will be far from golden......
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate
Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?
I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics
That is a brilliant pun - for the girl who ran through corn fields.....
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate
Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?
I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics
That is a brilliant pun - for the girl who ran through corn fields.....
I wish I was that clever - maybe I should not have corrected it to maze and just basked in my pun
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Jeez how much more than a 50% wage increase over five years do you want??!
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate
Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?
I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics
Except Corbyn agrees almost verbatim with May's position on Brexit
In another universe, one where Corbyn isn't trying to obfuscate his position to keep his Remainer majority onboard, the UK would have had a much stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations if the PM and the Leader of the Opposition spoke to Brussels with one voice.....
As it is, Corbyn would probaly settle for a harder Brexit than May.
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate
Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?
I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics
That is a brilliant pun - for the girl who ran through corn fields.....
I wish I was that clever - maybe I should not have corrected it to maze and just basked in my pun
Yep - let others just assume your brilliance was intentional!
Update on the London housing market in North West London - ask for an unreasonably large discount. You'll probably get it. I managed to get 15% off the asking price for my place and a friend just got 10% off her place. Really solid discounts, a real buyers market in London.
It's also allowed me to get a house with a garden instead of a flat which is great for summers like these and for having kids etc...
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate
Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?
I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics
Except Corbyn agrees almost verbatim with May's position on Brexit
In another universe, one where Corbyn isn't trying to obfuscate his position to keep his Remainer majority onboard, the UK would have had a much stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations if the PM and the Leader of the Opposition spoke to Brussels with one voice.....
As it is, Corbyn would probaly settle for a harder Brexit than May.
Update on the London housing market in North West London - ask for an unreasonably large discount. You'll probably get it. I managed to get 15% off the asking price for my place and a friend just got 10% off her place. Really solid discounts, a real buyers market in London.
It's also allowed me to get a house with a garden instead of a flat which is great for summers like these and for having kids etc...
Well done, good to hear you've found a place for you and yours. Near exchange or completion yet ?
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
As William Glenn pointed out earlier... we haven't left yet
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
Who ever thought homosexuals should have the right to a civil partnership but not heterosexuals?
When the law was drafted the rights/obligations of civil partnership were identical to those of a civil marriage. They didn’t use the term because it has a lot of significance to the religious among us.
In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.
I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.
But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
As William Glenn pointed out earlier... we haven't left yet
@WilliamGlenn's Brexit bet with SeanT is looking good.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
As William Glenn pointed out earlier... we haven't left yet
@WilliamGlenn's Brexit bet with SeanT is looking good.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .
Mr. Alistair, the dangers of political segregation and factionalism are not minor, we need only look at the Peloponnesian War and intra-city infighting to see how that can go.
Or, for that matter, the politics of Clodius and Milo.
Edited extra bit: misspelt Clodius.
When Joe Biden was turned away from a bakery in 2012 the owner was hailed as a champion of free speech and choice.
When the same is done to Sanders it is the end of civility and the collapse of civilisation.
Hardly the end of civilisation, but undoubtedly oafish behaviour in both cases.
I think denying people commerce or employment based on account of their political beliefs, almost always so those providing it can provide a signal of their own political beliefs to others, is an ugly development in our democracy.
Pre-1933 Germany had that kind of culture, where all the political parties had their own sports and cultural organisations, and their own paramilitary organisations, and people were encouraged to trade only with their own faction.
Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.
A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government
I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?
TBH it doesn’t FEEL booming. Are you being seduced by the good weather?
These are the good times - and the complacent times.
You will look back on these as the good times once we get into the bad times.
Theresa can counter this. Draw up a 'Death List' of the hospitals that will close if we don't get the Brexit Dividend - preferably concentrate them in all the Remain areas - and demand that the BMA says that's fine by them. Or threaten thousands of doctors and nurses with the sack. They'll soon run to the hills!
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .
Good advice, should Nigel Farage have taken it in 1975?
I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .
Good advice, should Nigel Farage have taken it in 1975?
I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
Who ever thought homosexuals should have the right to a civil partnership but not heterosexuals?
When the law was drafted the rights/obligations of civil partnership were identical to those of a civil marriage. They didn’t use the term because it has a lot of significance to the religious among us.
In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.
I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.
But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)
Did I not read on here that the quite elegant concept of civil partnership was originally proposed by your good self?
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .
Good advice, should Nigel Farage have taken it in 1975?
I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
Considerable recent wage rises for tradesmen would help to nullify the modern idea that everyone needs to go to university and get themselves £50k in debt in the process.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
The Lord Rose argument
From Day 1 of the Remain campaign. Funnily enough he was was never heard from again.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
I was just pointing out that wages can be surpressed even when they are rising.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
Who ever thought homosexuals should have the right to a civil partnership but not heterosexuals?
When the law was drafted the rights/obligations of civil partnership were identical to those of a civil marriage. They didn’t use the term because it has a lot of significance to the religious among us.
In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.
I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.
But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)
Did I not read on here that the quite elegant concept of civil partnership was originally proposed by your good self?
That’s too strong. A friend of mine was drafting Blair’s policy position on it and I simply suggested the idea over dinner. At most just a nudge in the right direction - give same-sex couples what they rightly demanded on substance and make a linguistic concession on the other side. Many many people had a much bigger role
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
I was just pointing out that wages can be surpressed even when they are rising.
Don't disagree. I wrote my first post in a flush of excitement although there is a grain of an argument that wages rising by 50% can't sensibly be called suppressed.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
Every cheap foreign sparky has hundreds of satisfied customers, many of them also working class
Update on the London housing market in North West London - ask for an unreasonably large discount. You'll probably get it. I managed to get 15% off the asking price for my place and a friend just got 10% off her place. Really solid discounts, a real buyers market in London.
It's also allowed me to get a house with a garden instead of a flat which is great for summers like these and for having kids etc...
Well done, good to hear you've found a place for you and yours. Near exchange or completion yet ?
Who ever thought homosexuals should have the right to a civil partnership but not heterosexuals?
When the law was drafted the rights/obligations of civil partnership were identical to those of a civil marriage. They didn’t use the term because it has a lot of significance to the religious among us.
In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.
I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.
But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)
Did I not read on here that the quite elegant concept of civil partnership was originally proposed by your good self?
I am all for equality of marriage opportunity but I can't help feeling that case was completely absurd and the fact it ended up in the Supreme Court something of a disgrace. The complaint, apparently, is that marriage is patriarchal. Well, only if the couple want it to be. It seems another example of the professionally offended getting a gold star rather than the flea in their ear that they deserved.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
Well the anecdote was from a builder working on newbuilds there. He can't find the labour and sounds similiar to @currystar anecdote. I think (And I might be wrong) that help to sell is properly warping the market from what otherwise would be falling prices and obviously that means implied Gov't risk..
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.
We have two polish out of a workforce of 75, not really Chock-Full
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
My view is that we are taking a slight hit due to uncertainty, but it’s exaggerated.
Having said that the UK/EU have left it *very* late in the day to clarify future trading arrangements and some businesses are understandably frustrated by that.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .
Good advice, should Nigel Farage have taken it in 1975?
I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.
It must be the weather. I could kill for an Almond Magnum.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
Every cheap foreign sparky has hundreds of satisfied customers, many of them also working class
Undoubtedly. Possibly even some not so satisfied customers too. But if you are a sparky you lose out. It's basic.
@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.
I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.
My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.
They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.
Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.
Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!
Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.
It must be the weather. I could kill for an Almond Magnum.
Not as big as they used to be...I remember when they were thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhissssssssssssssssssssss big.
I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
Suppressed even.
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no onee can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
Every cheap foreign sparky has hundreds of satisfied customers, many of them also working class
Undoubtedly. Possibly even some not so satisfied customers too. But if you are a sparky you lose out. It's basic.
Yep. Condemned to a 50% wage increase in five years, instead of a 100%? 200%? increase.
Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.
Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
Well the anecdote was from a builder working on newbuilds there. He can't find the labour and sounds similiar to @currystar anecdote. I think (And I might be wrong) that help to sell is properly warping the market from what otherwise would be falling prices and obviously that means implied Gov't risk..
The national figures point to very low increases in house prices with prices actually falling in London at the moment. That doesn't strike me as the sort of environment where most builders will be busting a gut to pop out extra houses. But there will be regional variations and it may well be that Milton Keynes is one of them.
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My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.
suppress wagesparticipate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.As it is, Corbyn would probaly settle for a harder Brexit than May.
Serves me well...
It's also allowed me to get a house with a garden instead of a flat which is great for summers like these and for having kids etc...
Tillerson also used it.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/03/13/tillerson-reportedly-called-trump-moron-months-later-hes-out/419673002/
However McMaster prefers 'Idiot'
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/20/16680190/hr-mcmaster-trump-idiot-kindergartner
ROFL!
PSML!
Where were you during the Referendum?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/29f24644-78f1-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/13/donald-trump-harley-davidson-bikers-motorcycle
My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.
So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.
In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.
I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.
But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)
You just copy and paste whatever comes into your twitter feed that you think supports your position on here.
You will look back on these as the good times once we get into the bad times.
People's blood pressure would surely soar with a second referendum?
Plato was warned, and eventually banned, for doing similar.
If we want to follow the ins and outs of your prejudices we can follow you on Twitter, thank you.
If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing
But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.
I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.
Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?
Any CEO who said it would be a moron.
It is Gordon who is a moron, see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZs8yeEldX8
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1011963573046861826
*Standing = His name on the ballot paper on the first round of MPs.
https://order-order.com/2018/06/27/dent-coad-election-expenses-statement-dobs-herself-in/
So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.
Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1011855668624572416?s=19
Does anyone expect Germany to be knocked out of the World Cup today?
Exchanged, almost complete. Ahead of schedule!
I think (And I might be wrong) that help to sell is properly warping the market from what otherwise would be falling prices and obviously that means implied Gov't risk..
Having said that the UK/EU have left it *very* late in the day to clarify future trading arrangements and some businesses are understandably frustrated by that.