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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Pulpstar said:

    Neville not optimistic about Brexit

    Neville Chamberlain? :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    HYUFD said:

    England crash out. May’s toast.

    England 'crash' out at the semi final stage for the first time since 1990, 2 years later the Tories won a historic 4th term against a Labour leader expecting to win on his second attempt. Just sayin'!
    And what happened between the crashing out and election win?

    Just sayin.
    The Tories got a new PM. Javid as Major perhaps?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Jonathan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    England only win World Cups under a Labour Government

    Well they did **** all under Blair (although I guess you'd argue that wasn't a REAL Labour government :D )
    GIN1138 said:

    England only win World Cups under a Labour Government

    Well they did **** all under Blair (although I guess you'd argue that wasn't a REAL Labour government :D )
    Rugby World Cup.


    I'll give you that I suppose...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,972

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    The big 'what-if' will be what if Rashford had been chosen instead of Sterling.

    Sterling was a lot better than Rashford today.
    Sterling runs about a lot but there's little end product.
    Don't quite understand the game do you.

    No shame in that but stop embarrassing yourself.
    I see you're looking in the mirror again Toppo.
    What a zinger; you're on fire.

    Masks to a slight extent your ignorance of the game.
    What he knows about football is only matched by his knowledge about the number of generals in the army.
    Yes my fault for believing what I read on PB without checking myself.

    Did you bother finding out if the British Army could field a full strength Division for its generals to command or what the ratio of Admirals to warships is in the RN.
    You failed to answer my question, are we talking full infantry division, armoured division.

    If we're talking full infantry, light or mechanised.

    Or are you talking about a hybrid division that deployed as 1 Armoured Division during Telic?

    Or are you talking about a two brigade division a la Granby?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926
    GIN1138 said:

    England only win World Cups under a Labour Government

    Well they did **** all under Blair (although I guess you'd argue that wasn't a REAL Labour government :D )
    Semi-finals mostly under the Tories:

    1990 WC
    1996 EC
    2018 WC
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    GIN1138 said:

    England only win World Cups under a Labour Government

    Well they did **** all under Blair (although I guess you'd argue that wasn't a REAL Labour government :D )
    Don't like giving blair credit for anything but we did regain the ashes after nearly 20 years ;-)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Things we have learnt? ITV should never, ever host England games, ever again.

    Ever.

    Well they have another one on Saturday.

    Literally nobody cares about the losers match anyway though. :D
    I can think of twenty-eight countries that would like to be there instead.
    Really? Why?

    Nobody remembers the defeated finalist never-mind who came third.

    Third place is for losers.
    Tell that to the LibDems :lol:
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    The big 'what-if' will be what if Rashford had been chosen instead of Sterling.

    Sterling was a lot better than Rashford today.
    Sterling runs about a lot but there's little end product.
    Don't quite understand the game do you.

    No shame in that but stop embarrassing yourself.
    I see you're looking in the mirror again Toppo.
    What a zinger; you're on fire.

    Masks to a slight extent your ignorance of the game.
    What he knows about football is only matched by his knowledge about the number of generals in the army.
    Yes my fault for believing what I read on PB without checking myself.
    Sums your PB posts up. Wholly reliant on other people's opinions because you know nothing yourself. Nothing to brag about.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Neville not optimistic about Brexit

    Neville Chamberlain? :D
    Least we have a proper civil war in the Tories to look forward to now
  • LordOfReasonLordOfReason Posts: 457
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    England crash out. May’s toast.

    England 'crash' out at the semi final stage for the first time since 1990, 2 years later the Tories won a historic 4th term against a Labour leader expecting to win on his second attempt. Just sayin'!
    And what happened between the crashing out and election win?

    Just sayin.
    The Tories got a new PM. Javid as Major perhaps?
    That’s one of your better suggestions.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Independence?
    One can only hope.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926
    TGOHF said:

    Remainers calling for the semi to be replayed yet ?

    Croatia were the last "team" to join the EU, in 2013.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Neville not optimistic about Brexit

    Neville Chamberlain? :D
    Least we have a proper civil war in the Tories to look forward to now
    And I'm sure Donald and Boris will lighten the nations mood when they hook up on Friday. :D
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676
    edited July 2018

    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    We've got the 3rd place final on Saturday

    Who cares.

    Third place is for losers.
    Gin , Belgium will hump them again
    https://twitter.com/garyhynds/status/1016824883307778048?s=21
    Looks like he had a good night, well done to him.
    PS: Up to your usual gutter standards, replying to a football post, you really are a nasty piece of work, a real Tory
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    The big 'what-if' will be what if Rashford had been chosen instead of Sterling.

    Sterling was a lot better than Rashford today.
    Sterling runs about a lot but there's little end product.
    Don't quite understand the game do you.

    No shame in that but stop embarrassing yourself.
    I see you're looking in the mirror again Toppo.
    What a zinger; you're on fire.

    Masks to a slight extent your ignorance of the game.
    What he knows about football is only matched by his knowledge about the number of generals in the army.
    Yes my fault for believing what I read on PB without checking myself.
    Sums your PB posts up. Wholly reliant on other people's opinions because you know nothing yourself. Nothing to brag about.
    Once again Toppo you seem to be looking in the mirror.

    But lets leave it at that shall we, I'm sure we're all a little upset tonight and bitching with each other wont make things better.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    This is the worst I've ever felt after a football match.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,004
    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    Tories down to 37% in tonight's YouGov poll. Labour take a 2% lead.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    England crash out. May’s toast.

    England 'crash' out at the semi final stage for the first time since 1990, 2 years later the Tories won a historic 4th term against a Labour leader expecting to win on his second attempt. Just sayin'!
    And what happened between the crashing out and election win?

    Just sayin.
    The Tories got a new PM. Javid as Major perhaps?
    That’s one of your better suggestions.
    Thank you and I have to say I am increasingly warming to Javid
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote

    Theresa May out out out
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,234
    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    Death knell for Brexit. Pretty good as silver linings go.

    And G is going to win the Tour.

    Hm, don't you think you are overstating it a touch?
    Oh, absolutely. Froome has a chance too.

    More seriously, I do think a World Cup win, lovely though it might have been, would have revived the sense of English exceptionalism; and that would have inflated people's belief that we could thrive as a buccaneering island nation divorced from the world. Reality always bites in the end.
    This "English exceptionalism" bollocks is beautifully self-torpedoing, in that the claim seems to be that we do national exceptionalism better, or at least more, than anyone else does. Do you see any problem with that?
    I'm fairly sure England does English exceptionalism better than other countries do English exceptionalism. Although I'm also sure the Chinese will produce a noncopyright version of English exceptionalism that's cheaper.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926
    Labour = Croatia
    Tories = England
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    edited July 2018
    :smile:

    That's where England went wrong - they didn't get Elon Musk in to help.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tories down to 37% in tonight's YouGov poll. Labour take a 2% lead.

    Could the tories be heading back to the mid 30's in the coming weeks ?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Think I've written a pretty good clue..

    World War One is chaos, whatever the result (3,4,2,4)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Tories down to 37% in tonight's YouGov poll. Labour take a 2% lead.

    Brexit negotiations going well 13%; badly 75%
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,926
    Scotland did fantastically well this World Cup, didn't they?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2018
    LOL!

    -2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....

    This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.

    Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited July 2018

    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote

    Tories down 2 but Labour unchanged, so looks like all the movement is Tory to UKIP

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/yougov-poll-labour-edges-into-lead-with-voters-losing-faith-in-pm-theresa-may-2n7cwfhtn
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    Scotland to qualify for one?
    At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    HYUFD said:

    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote

    Tories down 2 but Labour unchanged, so looks like all the movement is Tory to UKIP
    Or Tories saying they won't vote.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote

    The public did warn May in a referendum and a GE. Daft old bat is out of touch.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Independence?

    Oh dear...not on the menu....
    you wish Theresa
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,972
    On Mrs May standing down 43% say that she should do so, up from 32% in November. 28% of Tory voters say that she should stand down and 49% of leavers.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    Scotland to qualify for one?
    At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
    They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.

    Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,972
    The proportion who think that the government is negotiating Brexit well has fallen from 18 per cent at the weekend to 13 per cent now, while the proportion who it is are handling it badly has risen from 66 per cent to 75 per cent.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    TGOHF said:

    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote

    The public did warn May in a referendum and a GE. Daft old bat is out of touch.
    Hammond's as bad. Mr and Mrs Glumbuckets indeed. :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,755

    Scotland did fantastically well this World Cup, didn't they?
    You seem to be lashing out indiscriminately. Let's hope there's no plastic garden chairs nearby (though I suspect they'd give you a run for your money).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,972
    13% say the Chequers deal would be good for Britain, 42% say it would not and 44% do not know.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TGOHF said:

    Labour take a 2pt lead as backlash against TM deal saying does not represent vote

    The public did warn May in a referendum and a GE. Daft old bat is out of touch.
    She's useless.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
    They're certainly all fit to wear the shirt.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    The proportion who think that the government is negotiating Brexit well has fallen from 18 per cent at the weekend to 13 per cent now, while the proportion who it is are handling it badly has risen from 66 per cent to 75 per cent.

    Still that shrieking Soubry woman is happy - that’s what matters eh ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676
    TOPPING said:

    The big 'what-if' will be what if Rashford had been chosen instead of Sterling.

    Sterling was a lot better than Rashford today.
    Sterling runs about a lot but there's little end product.
    Don't quite understand the game do you.

    No shame in that but stop embarrassing yourself.
    He got it spot on , running about fast does not make you a good player
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    13% say the Chequers deal would be good for Britain, 42% say it would not and 44% do not know.

    Could get volatile when it's explained that the major constraint on the shape of the deal is Northern Ireland...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2018
    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    You have to give these things time. Labour didn't race into a 20% lead the week after Black Wednesday. The Tories didn't the week after Brown called off the election.

    You'll see a slow but steady month on month drop in the Tories polling figure over the next 6-12 months.

    Some of that will go to Labour. Some will go to UKIP. Some will go to "won't vote" - But the net result will be Labour's lead gradually increases as the Tories deflate like a tyre.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
    How Croatia managed this without Henry McLeish’s report and a racist technical director is a mystery to me,
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
    Gracious to the last. Scots let themselves down at moments like this. If Scotland won the World Cup, or got into the semis, it would be amazing. Not gonna happen, but we'd cheer all the way.


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    HYUFD said:
    I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676

    Scotland did fantastically well this World Cup, didn't they?
    You seem to be lashing out indiscriminately. Let's hope there's no plastic garden chairs nearby (though I suspect they'd give you a run for your money).
    they are thrashing out after another humping , they have to kid themselves they are better than Scotland , only thing that makes them feel big. Losing bullies have to shift the blame to someone
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
    They're certainly all fit to wear the shirt.
    Its a total contrast to some England squads of the past.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    You have to give these things time. Labour didn't race into a 20% lead the week after Black Wednesday. The Tories didn't the week after Brown called off the election.

    You'll see a slow but steady month on month drop in the Tories polling lead over the next 6-12 months.

    Some of that will go to Labour. Some will go to UKIP. Some will go to "won't vote" - But the result will be Labour's lead gradually increases as the Tories deflate like a tyre.
    I dunno - reckon the WC exit will accelerate things.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    :smile:

    That's where England went wrong - they didn't get Elon Musk in to help.
    Did he really turn up to Thailand to deliver a minature sub? (He claimed he had but the Thais told him it wasn’t needed)

    I’m not sure whether that’s true or not. Either way he looks like a tw*t
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,676
    Jonathan said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    Scotland to qualify for one?
    At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
    They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.

    Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
    You obviously did not watch the game , the far superior football team won and won well, England were lucky it was only 2-1.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,340

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.
    You’re assuming we don’t give up the right to pay in the Euros as part of the Brexit negotiations.

    Also, how disappointing to have a second pointless game against Belgium in the same tournament.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    malcolmg said:

    Scotland did fantastically well this World Cup, didn't they?
    You seem to be lashing out indiscriminately. Let's hope there's no plastic garden chairs nearby (though I suspect they'd give you a run for your money).
    they are thrashing out after another humping , they have to kid themselves they are better than Scotland , only thing that makes them feel big. Losing bullies have to shift the blame to someone
    Someone has a thistle in their sporan tonight.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979

    Tories down to 37% in tonight's YouGov poll. Labour take a 2% lead.

    Adding the latest YouGov poll to the EMA leaves the Tories 19 short of a majority, losing 11 seats including 8 to Labour.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited July 2018
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
    England has had 4 semi finals and won one World Cup, one of only 8 nations in the world to do so.

    Croatia has a population of 4 million and is in the World Cup final. Scotland has a population of 5 million and failed to even qualify for the tournament.

    Enough said methinks!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.
    You’re assuming we don’t give up the right to pay in the Euros as part of the Brexit negotiations.

    Also, how disappointing to have a second pointless game against Belgium in the same tournament.
    Russia play in the Euros, it's not EU related. Though if we're forced into CONCACAF we'll win a trophy every 4 years cos they're all garbage.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    I would not be at all surprised to see regular, if still fairly small, Lab leads to become the norm once again (for let us not forget that this was the case for a time already). It's not disastrous for the Tories yet, even though their position was already pretty tough. More worrisome for the Tories will be substantial people thinking the May deal, not even yet agreed and to be watered down more for certain, is no good. The Tory civil war has to come, despite the attempts to deny it, so people turning against the May idea might help that along at least, but does not bode well for the coming months to be a time of any progress.

    On it being right for Davis and Johnson to go, what was the wording of the question? Was the proposition that their reasons for resigning were correct, or are that people who simply wanted them out inflating the 'right' figure?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    GIN1138 said:

    LOL!

    -2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....

    This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.

    Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.

    A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!

    I would point out that 37% is also higher than Cameron polled in 2015. It maybe that 2017 was an aberration as Vernon Bogdanor pointed out in a lecture within the last 6 months on the party systems. If the Tories leak votes to UKIP it is not such a problem if Labour also leak them at the same time. If Labour don't leak them, then Brexit will be Labour's problem as they will be in government!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    As Pulpstar says Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far

    Do you actually want a Labour Government under Corbyn or rather stick with the Tories??
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,745
    Late evening all :)

    Well, once again the old adage that no one ever got poor backing against England at major football tournaments comes to pass.

    Last Saturday's caning is history - tonight backing the draw at 21/10 has basically put my WC betting back in the green.

    And yet...

    England WILL win a major tournament soon on this evidence - Euro 2020 must be a huge opportunity though the French and Belgians will be big threats and World Cup 2022 also looks full of potential.

    The dominance of European football is complete for now - the South Americans, as usual, struggled outside their continent and while Japan might be the coming Asian force they've a bit to find still.

    I hope the English FA decide to confirm Gareth Southgate in post until the end of Euro 2020 - he has proved an adept manager and is bringing along a fine young side for whom perhaps inexperience was the biggest weakness on this stage.

    Back to real sport with the Newmarket July meeting tomorrow and I like LEGENDS OF WAR in the July Stakes. He was impressive on debut at Yarmouth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    malcolmg said:
    It says that people are not supposed to get overly invested in sporting competitions and get a little silly about it? Let me introduce to the very nature of sporting competition.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    malcolmg said:

    Jonathan said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    Scotland to qualify for one?
    At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
    They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.

    Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
    You obviously did not watch the game , the far superior football team won and won well, England were lucky it was only 2-1.
    It's not a whipping. England were outplayed, but it was a match. You don't get to extra time in one sided games.

    It was good.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,234

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
    They're certainly all fit to wear the shirt.
    Its a total contrast to some England squads of the past.
    Indeed. I can't help thinking that this was the best England team I have seen in my lifetime. No tantrums, no posing, no psychodrama, no fan abhorrences, just a lot of good football professionally played at the highest level. Instead of bemoaning the result, England should look back on the last few weeks and wonder how the hell it got it so right for so long.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Never mind. At least there are still two teams representing the EU in the final.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
    England has had 4 semi finals and won one World Cup, one of only 8 nations in the world to do so.

    Croatia has a population of 4 million and is in the World Cup final. Scotland has a population of 5 million and failed to even qualify for the tournament.

    Enough said methinks!
    Uruguay is still the king of the tiny nations.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited July 2018

    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    As Pulpstar says Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far

    Do you actually want a Labour Government under Corbyn or rather stick with the Tories??
    Corbyn isn't real Labour. He is single handedly propping the Tories up. The longer he stays the longer we have to wait.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    As Pulpstar says Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far
    Yes, a blinder, albeit through very cynical tactics of professional politicians. The true believers are going to be in for a shock when they discover Corbyn is not so different to the rest of the professional politicians as he pretends or they believe, for better and for worse. It won't erode support for the overall premise that any Labour government is better than a Tory government of course - it is not as though a crap Tory government convinces the core of Tory support that it is not still better than a Labour government - but it will be very interesting to watch.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Roger said:

    Never mind. At least there are still two teams representing the EU in the final.

    It also the Eurozone vs non Eurozone! And Croatia have blue passports too!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.

    Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
    LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
    England has had 4 semi finals and won one World Cup, one of only 8 nations in the world to do so.

    Croatia has a population of 4 million and is in the World Cup final. Scotland has a population of 5 million and failed to even qualify for the tournament.

    Enough said methinks!
    Uruguay is still the king of the tiny nations.
    And unlike Scotland they actually focus on their own team not hating their neighbour's team
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    As Pulpstar says Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far

    LOL! Only if youre a Tory
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    edited July 2018
    TGOHF said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    You have to give these things time. Labour didn't race into a 20% lead the week after Black Wednesday. The Tories didn't the week after Brown called off the election.

    You'll see a slow but steady month on month drop in the Tories polling lead over the next 6-12 months.

    Some of that will go to Labour. Some will go to UKIP. Some will go to "won't vote" - But the result will be Labour's lead gradually increases as the Tories deflate like a tyre.
    I dunno - reckon the WC exit will accelerate things.
    People affording way too much credence to midterm polls again. When will you ever learn?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,082

    Pulpstar said:

    So football's not coming home but Trump's arriving tomorrow.

    Joy of joys.

    Will the French winning it ease your pain
    Come on Croatia as they have a Liverpool playing for them.

    Fortunately this is now a profitable world cup for me.
    We need a ball winning midfield player, and a second decent striker, otherwise we are not far off. We lost that game in midfield, and It will be similar on Sunday. France are the better team.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
    They're certainly all fit to wear the shirt.
    Its a total contrast to some England squads of the past.
    Indeed. I can't help thinking that this was the best England team I have seen in my lifetime. No tantrums, no posing, no psychodrama, no fan abhorrences, just a lot of good football professionally played at the highest level. Instead of bemoaning the result, England should look back on the last few weeks and wonder how the hell it got it so right for so long.
    But if we lose to Belgium,that's 3 defeats in this world cup ;-)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
    They're certainly all fit to wear the shirt.
    Its a total contrast to some England squads of the past.
    Indeed. I can't help thinking that this was the best England team I have seen in my lifetime. No tantrums, no posing, no psychodrama, no fan abhorrences, just a lot of good football professionally played at the highest level. Instead of bemoaning the result, England should look back on the last few weeks and wonder how the hell it got it so right for so long.
    The obsessing about Beckham's metatarsal and the WAGS fashion parade were two horrors of the past.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    HYUFD said:
    I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
    The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Also, congratulations to Southgate and the England them for making the semi final. That's still an amazing result, it just doesn't feel like it right now. :cry:

    They've done well and come across well as a set of good blokes.
    They're certainly all fit to wear the shirt.
    Its a total contrast to some England squads of the past.
    Indeed. I can't help thinking that this was the best England team I have seen in my lifetime. No tantrums, no posing, no psychodrama, no fan abhorrences, just a lot of good football professionally played at the highest level. Instead of bemoaning the result, England should look back on the last few weeks and wonder how the hell it got it so right for so long.
    I felt all along Pickford - though undeniably brilliant when called upon - looked nervy, taking too many touches at the back, and clearly we struggled to create enough clear chances in several games, but they were still better to watch than a lot of games of England I've seen, some of the players had an outstanding world cup, and all in all they made me hopeful of their prospects with more years to work at things. I don't know if they'll ever win anything, but I'm more inclined to watch them and be positive.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    If anyone had said we'd lose in extra time in the semi before the comp. They'd have said you needed help.
    Rejoice that for once we over achieved.
    And behaved ourselves. This team is a credit to the nation.
    Not often that can be said.

    All true.

    But I can't help feeling it will be a while before a tournament opens up for England as this one did.

    That doesn't mean they can't win but its likely to be harder next time.
    No. And my words shouldn't be interpreted as anything other than absolutely gutted.
    On the bright side I think the England players should overall be better in two years time.

    But I really hope nobody starts calling them a 'golden generation'.
    You’re assuming we don’t give up the right to pay in the Euros as part of the Brexit negotiations.

    Also, how disappointing to have a second pointless game against Belgium in the same tournament.
    Russia play in the Euros, it's not EU related. Though if we're forced into CONCACAF we'll win a trophy every 4 years cos they're all garbage.
    The underachievement of Mexico in football is surprising.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2018

    GIN1138 said:

    LOL!

    -2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....

    This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.

    Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.

    A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!



    Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.

    1979 - Winter of Discontent

    1992 - ERM Disaster

    2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election

    2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    The football is hurting and I have been consoling my young son, who has been in tears. It’s been a fabulous ride with this young team. We should have won tonight, and would have done, had we been more clinical in the first half. History shows us that you don’t often get second chances in international football. But at least we have a team that the nation can love. Going back to club football, and people who have no connection with Manchester or Liverpool arguing between themselves, is a gloomy prospect.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    brendan16 said:

    Roger said:

    Never mind. At least there are still two teams representing the EU in the final.

    It also the Eurozone vs non Eurozone! And Croatia have blue passports too!
    I'm going for Les Bleus with the red passorts
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,725
    Roger said:

    Jonathan said:

    Tonights YG JICIPM

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (-)
    CON: 37% (-2)
    LDEM: 9% (-)

    Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
    As Pulpstar says Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far

    LOL! Only if youre a Tory
    No the Tories will be blamed for BREXIT thanks to JC despite the best efforts of Chukka and co
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2018
    Anazina said:

    The football is hurting and I have been consoling my young son, who has been in tears.

    It's the fate of every young generation to have their hearts broken by England (I was there in 86 and 90)

    He'll learn from the experience and next time he'll be that bit older and wiser and know to never get too caught up in the England hype.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    LOL!

    -2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....

    This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.

    Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.

    A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!



    Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.

    1979 - Winter of Discontent

    1992 - ERM Disaster

    2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election

    2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
    I'm pretty sure the Tories will win. Most people will still associate Corbyn with the Winter of Discontent
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