I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
undefined Oh diddims, was Daddy not able to get you a win this time. You sad little cretin go F*** yourself.
@malcolmg, maybe now is a good time to step away from the keyboard for a few hours? You can resume your mission to twit the English tomorrow, but today is perhaps not the time.
It is at times like this even a staunch Unionist like me has to contain myself from saying 'sod off Scotland' but then I remember it is just rather sad bitter nats with an inferiority complex and a chip on their shoulder the size of Antartica who get more joy from seeing England lose than Scotland win. I then remember classy Scots like Ruth Davidson and Alistair Darling and Sir Chris Hoy and even I have to say Angus Robertson and Nicola Sturgeon who have congratulated England on their progress
undefined Oh diddims, was Daddy not able to get you a win this time. You sad little cretin go F*** yourself.
@malcolmg, maybe now is a good time to step away from the keyboard for a few hours? You can resume your mission to twit the English tomorrow, but today is perhaps not the time.
It is at times like this even a staunch Unionist like me has to contain myself from saying 'sod off Scotland' but then I remember it is just rather sad bitter nats with an inferiority complex and a chip on their shoulder the size of Antartica who get more joy from seeing England lose than Scotland win. I then remember classy Scots like Ruth Davidson and Alistair Darling and Sir Chris Hoy and even I have to say Angus Robertson and Nicola Sturgeon who have congratulated England on their progress
wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.
Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
LOL, usual poor loser, first decent team you meet and humped. We don't pretend we are world beaters. Two semis and two defeats in 50 years says it all for the best team in the world.
Scotland did fantastically well this World Cup, didn't they?
You seem to be lashing out indiscriminately. Let's hope there's no plastic garden chairs nearby (though I suspect they'd give you a run for your money).
they are thrashing out after another humping , they have to kid themselves they are better than Scotland , only thing that makes them feel big. Losing bullies have to shift the blame to someone
Someone has a thistle in their sporan tonight.
I hope he washed it thoroughly after removing it from it’s previous abode....
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.
Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
Scotland to qualify for one?
At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.
Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
You obviously did not watch the game , the far superior football team won and won well, England were lucky it was only 2-1.
Your nation spectacularly failed, three times over, to arrange for fecking curling to come home at Seoul, and that's when the rest of us were relying on you to do the business for team GB. And if Croatia's pop is 4M and it is in the finals, what does that tell us about nations of pop 5.5M who don't make the group stages?
wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.
Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
Scotland to qualify for one?
At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.
Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
You obviously did not watch the game , the far superior football team won and won well, England were lucky it was only 2-1.
Your nation spectacularly failed, three times over, to arrange for fecking curling to come home at Seoul, and that's when the rest of us were relying on you to do the business for team GB. And if Croatia's pop is 4M and it is in the finals, what does that tell us about nations of pop 5.5M who don't make the group stages?
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
Listening to PMQ's and the technical detail I have no doubt most do not understand the detail including myself and the reaction in the polls is almost certainly to the negative and understandable reporting.
If this trend continues there is more than a chance TM resigns or is challenged and who knows what happens next. I do believe there is a danger of a ground swell of anger against the politicians and a move to walk out of the EU and take a chance. I believe that is wrong but it is more than a possibility.
I would also venture to suggest those calling for a people vote may end up with egg on their face
In all this I still would not support Boris as he is untrustworthy and only in it for himself but hope someone will find a way through it that protects jobs more than anything
Nah. A 2pt lead after last week is not a strong performance.
As Pulpstar says Jezza's played an absolute blinder over Brexit so far
LOL! Only if youre a Tory
No the Tories will be blamed for BREXIT thanks to JC despite the best efforts of Chukka and co
Equally to blame are the so-called ‘Labour Leavers’ who were content to whip up nasty sentiment about immigration so they could open the door to their fantastical socialist nirvana.
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
-2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....
This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.
Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.
A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!
Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.
1979 - Winter of Discontent
1992 - ERM Disaster
2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election
2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
Indeed, it is just part of the normal political cycle.
A party in government always evaporates off votes in the end. Brexit might well do this as whatever May does it will offend some people who may have supported the Tories in recent elections. However, with first past the post it has also to be remembered that you only have to win a seat by 1 vote.
Nothing is cast in stone by Brexit and the people who wanted Brexit most might well be the ones screaming most when its toxic legacy seeps into their lives. History never repeats itself exactly and I would point out that in 1992 and 2007 the PM stayed in office to contest the next election, this time I suspect May will not! A change of leader and tweak of policy can do wonders, just look at 1990 and the poll tax. The Labour government of 1979 had a more complicated background and that sea change was not overnight but a gradual process of attrition over 5 years as the existing social and economic framework perished.
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
Listening to PMQ's and the technical detail I have no doubt most do not understand the detail including myself and the reaction in the polls is almost certainly to the negative and understandable reporting.
If this trend continues there is more than a chance TM resigns or is challenged and who knows what happens next. I do believe there is a danger of a ground swell of anger against the politicians and a move to walk out of the EU and take a chance. I believe that is wrong but it is more than a possibility.
I would also venture to suggest those calling for a people vote may end up with egg on their face
In all this I still would not support Boris as he is untrustworthy and only in it for himself but hope someone will find a way through it that protects jobs more than anything
I certainly hope May can at least get a transition period from this plan, then we can try for a FTA with the EU during the transition period and if the EU refuse or stall indefinitely then at least we cannot say we did not give it a go
Why - I hope not - I enjoy him winding up the English but not so much his language
He has a huge wooden spoon
Malc makes me laugh!
I have family in Scotland through my wife's side and as we are both conservatives he has a great time having a go but it is not one way, though I do not use language, I can give as good as I get. Scons are not his flavour of the month bless him
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
I had wondered if Corbyn will instruct Labour MPs to abstain on the final vote assuming a deal is agreed and put to the Commons. If he did that he could split the Tories as they would be fighting themselves while Labour retains some integratory by remaining above the fray. That might not be in the National Interest but the spotlight would be on Tory internecine warfare!
I am not sure another referendum is a good idea even though I would vote to Remain. My reasoning is public disorder and the potential for aggrieved individuals to replicate several times over incidents like the assassination of Jo Cox.
wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.
Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
Scotland to qualify for one?
At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.
Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
You obviously did not watch the game , the far superior football team won and won well, England were lucky it was only 2-1.
From the BBC, without further comment... David, Glasgow: Amazing performance from England over the last 3 weeks. The feel good factor has crossed North of the border and I don't know a single fellow Scot that wasn't supporting England...brilliant!
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
I had wondered if Corbyn will instruct Labour MPs to abstain on the final vote assuming a deal is agreed and put to the Commons. If he did that he could split the Tories as they would be fighting themselves while Labour retains some integratory by remaining above the fray. That might not be in the National Interest but the spotlight would be on Tory internecine warfare!
I am not sure another referendum is a good idea even though I would vote to Remain. My reasoning is public disorder and the potential for aggrieved individuals to replicate several times over incidents like the assignation of Jo Cox.
Then the bill would sail through. Not sure that 40 odd rebels will be that newsworthy if it passes with a majority of 100+.
-2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....
This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.
Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.
A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!
Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.
1979 - Winter of Discontent
1992 - ERM Disaster
2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election
2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
I'm pretty sure the Tories will win. Most people will still associate Corbyn with the Winter of Discontent
Doubtful on two points, firstly Corbyn didn't enter Parliament until '83, and secondly, most of the electorate were born after and won't have a clue what the Winter of Discontent was, except for a failed meme on FB put out by CCHQ based on a picture of queues at UK petrol pumps, which was taken during the aftermath of the' 73 Israeli /Arab war and the resultant Arab oil blockade, during Heath's government. Yep, you really couldn't make it up.
wonderful , England humped and 3 winning bets , what more can you ask for.
Scotland to get to a quarter final of a major tournament maybe, never mind a semi final?
Scotland to qualify for one?
At least we don't pretend we are world beaters. Croatia a small country of 4M whipped England, despite them being counted as cannon fodder. Poor losers as ever.
They edged it in extra time after being behind for an hour. That's not a whipping.
Meanwhile Scotland just whinge.
You obviously did not watch the game , the far superior football team won and won well, England were lucky it was only 2-1.
From the BBC, without further comment... David, Glasgow: Amazing performance from England over the last 3 weeks. The feel good factor has crossed North of the border and I don't know a single fellow Scot that wasn't supporting England...brilliant!
Well on my wife and my facebooks pages we had plenty of evidence of Scots supporting Croatia but to be fair a good number supporting England
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
The game is being repeated in full now on BBC1 - the programme is due to end at 1.40am. Surely a highlights show with some reflections by their pundits would have been better?
-2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....
This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.
Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.
A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!
Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.
1979 - Winter of Discontent
1992 - ERM Disaster
2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election
2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
I'm pretty sure the Tories will win. Most people will still associate Corbyn with the Winter of Discontent
It was 40 years, the bulk of the electorate have no memory of it
How many Spurs players were on the losing side in the two semi-finals ?
Is it any coincidence that England won in 1966 with their Spurs player Jimmy Greaves out of the team ?
It is true Harry Kane did not turn up tonight
He looked like he might be carrying an injury.
Loyalty to your first team and team continuity can be good things but sometimes you have to make changes.
There's not many WC winners who play the same team in the final as they started the tournament with.
That is true but to be fair England and Gareth were brilliant. We can be proud of them ( says my half English side) and my other half Welsh side of course
The game is being repeated in full now on BBC1 - the programme is due to end at 1.40am. Surely a highlights show with some reflections by their pundits would have been better?
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
If the deal's agreed with Merkel May has won a HUGE victory
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
If the deal's agreed with Merkel May has won a HUGE victory
-2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....
This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.
Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.
A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!
Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.
1979 - Winter of Discontent
1992 - ERM Disaster
2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election
2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
I'm pretty sure the Tories will win. Most people will still associate Corbyn with the Winter of Discontent
It was 40 years, the bulk of the electorate have no memory of it
The game is being repeated in full now on BBC1 - the programme is due to end at 1.40am. Surely a highlights show with some reflections by their pundits would have been better?
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
I had wondered if Corbyn will instruct Labour MPs to abstain on the final vote assuming a deal is agreed and put to the Commons. If he did that he could split the Tories as they would be fighting themselves while Labour retains some integratory by remaining above the fray. That might not be in the National Interest but the spotlight would be on Tory internecine warfare!
I am not sure another referendum is a good idea even though I would vote to Remain. My reasoning is public disorder and the potential for aggrieved individuals to replicate several times over incidents like the assignation of Jo Cox.
Then the bill would sail through. Not sure that 40 odd rebels will be that newsworthy if it passes with a majority of 100+.
Interesting figures, the number of rebels could creep up if the UK gives more ground, which is a possibility.
Another interpretation of the 2016 vote was it was an anti vote against everything and so the voters will never be happy with the outcome and this could explain why the 2017 GE backfired on PM May. That is voters have become so independent of political parties they cannot be led even if they pick up issues and run with them the public had previously endorsed.
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
If the deal's agreed with Merkel May has won a HUGE victory
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
"A "small cabal" in Downing Street holds Brexiteers in "contempt", a senior Eurosceptic has warned amid a mass Eurosceptic rebellion over the Prime Minister's Chequers compromise.
Writing for the Telegraph, Maria Caulfield, who quit as a Conservative vice-chairman earlier this week, says that the Prime Minister's Brexit plan is "catastrophically bad" and will be a "disaster for the Conservative Party"."
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
How many Spurs players were on the losing side in the two semi-finals ?
Is it any coincidence that England won in 1966 with their Spurs player Jimmy Greaves out of the team ?
It is true Harry Kane did not turn up tonight
He looked like he might be carrying an injury.
Loyalty to your first team and team continuity can be good things but sometimes you have to make changes.
There's not many WC winners who play the same team in the final as they started the tournament with.
That is true but to be fair England and Gareth were brilliant. We can be proud of them ( says my half English side) and my other half Welsh side of course
"Gareth were brilliant" ought to be an all-purpose comment to suit your Welsh half
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
I wouldn't read that figure as support. People are glad to see the back of him.
The fact most voters, especially Leavers, oppose the deal chimes in with his reasons for resigning
The Sun amidst all tonight's drama has just put this article on its homepage. May apparently told the Cabinet at Chequers that her proposed plan could not be altered by them as she had already agreed it with Mrs Merkel!
Unusual for a newspaper to carry a hostile story on the same day they have an article by the PM.
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
An article in the Telegraph caught my eye this evening (got a freebie on their pay for pages), seems they are getting massive amounts of snail mail for their letter pages, mostly along the lines of wanting TMay to be put on trial for treason, but that they can't print them. Suspect the editorial line may be about to drastically change direction.
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Always nice to see a long time lurker make an appearance and good to know that the efforts of the PB community are appreciated by people we're not aware of.
How many Spurs players were on the losing side in the two semi-finals ?
Is it any coincidence that England won in 1966 with their Spurs player Jimmy Greaves out of the team ?
It is true Harry Kane did not turn up tonight
He looked like he might be carrying an injury.
Loyalty to your first team and team continuity can be good things but sometimes you have to make changes.
There's not many WC winners who play the same team in the final as they started the tournament with.
That is true but to be fair England and Gareth were brilliant. We can be proud of them ( says my half English side) and my other half Welsh side of course
"Gareth were brilliant" ought to be an all-purpose comment to suit your Welsh half
"A "small cabal" in Downing Street holds Brexiteers in "contempt", a senior Eurosceptic has warned amid a mass Eurosceptic rebellion over the Prime Minister's Chequers compromise.
Writing for the Telegraph, Maria Caulfield, who quit as a Conservative vice-chairman earlier this week, says that the Prime Minister's Brexit plan is "catastrophically bad" and will be a "disaster for the Conservative Party"."
Well then do something about it! It is within their power to spark a contest, so bloody well do it already. If her plan is a disaster then even an unsuccessful challenge can do no more harm than a challenge. I am as sick of this moaning as everyone was of the countless, off the record whines from Labour moderates about Corbyn without doing anything about it. Maybe they're right - if so, why are they not doing more?
13% say the Chequers deal would be good for Britain, 42% say it would not and 44% do not know.
Could get volatile when it's explained that the major constraint on the shape of the deal is Northern Ireland...
Could get volatile when it’s explained that the major constraint on the shape of the deal is the lies told by Remainers about Northern Ireland.
Remember that before nobody could dispute this because everyone who was dealing with this was part of the Government. Now DD, Boris and Baker are free to point out that the Government knew it could maintain a soft border but it was May’s backstop error which caused the problem.
-2% is nothing compared to where the Tories will be in six months. Try -22% and you'll be a bit closer....
This is one of those seminal moments for the Conservatives like ERM in 1992 and Brown calling off the election in 2007.
Its downhill all the way from here to whenever the next election is I'm afraid.
A week is a long time in politics, anything could happen in the next few months or years!
Every ten years or so you reach a seminal moment in politics which means whoever is governing is basically just waiting around to the following election to face their doom.
1979 - Winter of Discontent
1992 - ERM Disaster
2007 - Gordon Brown calling off the election
2018 - Tories selling Brexit and their voters down the river.
It was surprising at the last election to see both the Tories and Labour exceed 40% of the vote, the first time that had happened since 1970.
It seems outlandish now, but I'm wondering whether both parties will poll less than 30% if the next GE is in 2022.
You could have a resurgent Farage electoral vehicle. The Lib Dems might emerge from the overhang of their Coalition punishment. Die-hard Remainers would see that Corbyn had betrayed them. If both the Tories and Labour look weak the necessity to vote for either to keep the other out recedes. We might discover that much of the polling boost for Labour in 2017 was to prevent Theresa from winning a landslide to give her quasi-dictatorial power and that Corbyn is actually a mediocre campaigner.
Electoral Calculus with Labour and Tories tied on 29.5% also has them tied on 273 seats...
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
THE dixie?
Yep.
Am aware there is some backstory to the nickname. It is not my intention to get involved in any of that controversy. It is merely a nickname I was known by at primary school. No one I know now would recognise me by it. Which is why I use it as my Internet name. I feel it would be unfair to suddenly re-appear under a new moniker. THE Dixie died at Goodison during a Derby. Some way to go.
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
THE dixie?
Yep.
Am aware there is some backstory to the nickname. It is not my intention to get involved in any of that controversy. It is merely a nickname I was known by at primary school. No one I know now would recognise me by it. Which is why I use it as my Internet name. I feel it would be unfair to suddenly re-appear under a new moniker. THE Dixie died at Goodison during a Derby. Some way to go.
Mr dean,I wasn't meaning anything with my post,just with your user name thought it might be a interesting little bit of history from my side on Dixie.
And yes I call him dixie like many others who love the history of our game.
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
THE dixie?
Yep.
Am aware there is some backstory to the nickname. It is not my intention to get involved in any of that controversy. It is merely a nickname I was known by at primary school. No one I know now would recognise me by it. Which is why I use it as my Internet name. I feel it would be unfair to suddenly re-appear under a new moniker. THE Dixie died at Goodison during a Derby. Some way to go.
Mr dean,I wasn't meaning anything with my post,just with your user name thought it might be a interesting little bit of history from my side on Dixie.
And yes I call him dixie like many others who love the history of our game.
;-)
OK. Sorry if I was a little defensive. His record, as compared to any of his peers suggests one of the greatest sportsmen of all time. His race or possible disability merely enhances his greatness in my eyes.
That probably boosts the variety of sources but Tesco seem to have a lot of suppliers.
Asda have lots from Scotland while Sainsbury and Morisons tend to have a mixture from Yorkshire and Lincolnshire plus Scotland.
Tesco sells the widest variety of strawberry types - standard, supersweet, 'Best', organic, irregular and Rosedene Farm which is the cheap brand. Selling so many different types inevitably means they use more sources of supply.
The two biggest sources of soft fruit appear to be Kent and Herefordshire with counties in the Eastern half of Britain being the most numerous suppliers.
Well as a lurker of many many years here its very odd that football prompts my first ever comment. My father who inspired my fascination with politics (but, conversely, a loathing of football) will be having quiet smirk to himself somewhere...
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61</p>
Welcome to PB
Indeed. Welcome and feel free to "Burble" at length. I do, And so do others.
Did I tell you my dad met Dixie in a pub he owned and calling him dixie didn't go down to well I was told ;-)
THE dixie?
Yep.
Am aware there is some backstory to the nickname. It is not my intention to get involved in any of that controversy. It is merely a nickname I was known by at primary school. No one I know now would recognise me by it. Which is why I use it as my Internet name. I feel it would be unfair to suddenly re-appear under a new moniker. THE Dixie died at Goodison during a Derby. Some way to go.
Mr dean,I wasn't meaning anything with my post,just with your user name thought it might be a interesting little bit of history from my side on Dixie.
And yes I call him dixie like many others who love the history of our game.
;-)
OK. Sorry if I was a little defensive. His record, as compared to any of his peers suggests one of the greatest sportsmen of all time. His race or possible disability merely enhances his greatness in my eyes.
Yep and a Bradford lad up front with him at Everton was albert geldard, went to the same school has me.
Comments
https://twitter.com/martinselmayr/status/1017146257872248834?s=21
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6756073/theresa-may-angela-merkel-brexit-plan/
He likes Brexit.
Honestly, Theresa has gone mad! But then so have the Tory Party for letting her...
If France lose on Sunday Malcolm's views will appear mild by comparison.
If this trend continues there is more than a chance TM resigns or is challenged and who knows what happens next. I do believe there is a danger of a ground swell of anger against the politicians and a move to walk out of the EU and take a chance. I believe that is wrong but it is more than a possibility.
I would also venture to suggest those calling for a people vote may end up with egg on their face
In all this I still would not support Boris as he is untrustworthy and only in it for himself but hope someone will find a way through it that protects jobs more than anything
I don’t think you ever really rise above it. Tonight feels like Turin for me, 28 years later!
The poll is just a one-off so far and we've seen nothing lately to dispel the impression of deadlock. An interesting question is whether if Corbyn really were cynical (rather than merely not that interested in Brexit) it would pay off politically to come down in favour of one solution or another. i'm not sure it would - it would divert attention from the Government's failings to the failings of whatever he proposed (since it's clear there is no good solution). But I think the time is coming that Labour should strengthen hints that it will call for an in/out referendum if the deal is not better.
He has a huge wooden spoon
A party in government always evaporates off votes in the end. Brexit might well do this as whatever May does it will offend some people who may have supported the Tories in recent elections. However, with first past the post it has also to be remembered that you only have to win a seat by 1 vote.
Nothing is cast in stone by Brexit and the people who wanted Brexit most might well be the ones screaming most when its toxic legacy seeps into their lives. History never repeats itself exactly and I would point out that in 1992 and 2007 the PM stayed in office to contest the next election, this time I suspect May will not! A change of leader and tweak of policy can do wonders, just look at 1990 and the poll tax. The Labour government of 1979 had a more complicated background and that sea change was not overnight but a gradual process of attrition over 5 years as the existing social and economic framework perished.
How many Spurs players were on the losing side in the two semi-finals ?
Is it any coincidence that England won in 1966 with their Spurs player Jimmy Greaves out of the team ?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1017164990099415041?s=21
I am not sure another referendum is a good idea even though I would vote to Remain. My reasoning is public disorder and the potential for aggrieved individuals to replicate several times over incidents like the assassination of Jo Cox.
David, Glasgow: Amazing performance from England over the last 3 weeks. The feel good factor has crossed North of the border and I don't know a single fellow Scot that wasn't supporting England...brilliant!
Loyalty to your first team and team continuity can be good things but sometimes you have to make changes.
There's not many WC winners who play the same team in the final as they started the tournament with.
Another interpretation of the 2016 vote was it was an anti vote against everything and so the voters will never be happy with the outcome and this could explain why the 2017 GE backfired on PM May. That is voters have become so independent of political parties they cannot be led even if they pick up issues and run with them the public had previously endorsed.
As others have commented, an England team and management who have acted as a team and not a collection of rather self-obsessed individuals is gratifying to see, and the approach deserves future success. Plus a "good onward luck" to Croatia....any team from a country with a population of c.4M that beats a team from a country of >66M which, according to some reports attracts a weekly pay bill of <£2M deserves some recognition.
Performing an emergency stop on commentary re footballers pay before my inner Corbyn makes an appearance (and yes, i've had enough contact with the footballing community to know post-sport life outside the Premier League can be very precarious) :-)
With sincere thanks to all posters from all political persuasions over the years, i've learnt a great deal from all, and occasionally changed my outlook as a consequence.
And also to the purveyors of high class puns.....
ok back to political business as usual....
B61
Writing for the Telegraph, Maria Caulfield, who quit as a Conservative vice-chairman earlier this week, says that the Prime Minister's Brexit plan is "catastrophically bad" and will be a "disaster for the Conservative Party"."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/11/downing-street-run-small-cabal-hold-brexiteers-contempt-says/
Well that is as far back as 1958, it may have happened as well in some of the very early WCs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVltoIsFpTc
Night all.
Remember that before nobody could dispute this because everyone who was dealing with this was part of the Government. Now DD, Boris and Baker are free to point out that the Government knew it could maintain a soft border but it was May’s backstop error which caused the problem.
It seems outlandish now, but I'm wondering whether both parties will poll less than 30% if the next GE is in 2022.
You could have a resurgent Farage electoral vehicle. The Lib Dems might emerge from the overhang of their Coalition punishment. Die-hard Remainers would see that Corbyn had betrayed them. If both the Tories and Labour look weak the necessity to vote for either to keep the other out recedes. We might discover that much of the polling boost for Labour in 2017 was to prevent Theresa from winning a landslide to give her quasi-dictatorial power and that Corbyn is actually a mediocre campaigner.
Electoral Calculus with Labour and Tories tied on 29.5% also has them tied on 273 seats...
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Lancashire
Cambridgeshire
Kent
The only other point of interest was the appearance of some blackcurrents from Kent.
Bringing to six the types of British soft fruits available.
I feel it would be unfair to suddenly re-appear under a new moniker.
THE Dixie died at Goodison during a Derby. Some way to go.
But oddly there's been no Yorkshire strawberries.
And yes I call him dixie like many others who love the history of our game.
;-)
Asda have lots from Scotland while Sainsbury and Morisons tend to have a mixture from Yorkshire and Lincolnshire plus Scotland.
Tesco sells the widest variety of strawberry types - standard, supersweet, 'Best', organic, irregular and Rosedene Farm which is the cheap brand. Selling so many different types inevitably means they use more sources of supply.
The two biggest sources of soft fruit appear to be Kent and Herefordshire with counties in the Eastern half of Britain being the most numerous suppliers.
Look him up.
https://youtu.be/BBi-KXc0CRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCztiayy55I
I'm now somewhat curious as to when the supply will end.