I find that if I wear an innocent orange neckband round parts of Belfast policemen try to stop me and ask me to remove my fashion choice. Why is that ?
Jeez Alan I even have to sort out your blockquoting.
I am genuinely not sure what point you are trying to make.
BBC silence is shocking. I believe that if they gave it 50% of the Boris covrage then Corbyn would be finished. If they don't cover this properly I think they have crossed some sort of line.
If it wasnt for Boris helping him out, this really must be the highpoint for the PLP who have flirted with the idea that they cant stay in a Corbyn led Labour Party. This is big, the mail article initially seemed like it was maybe over egging it, then squakbox went out of their way to denounce it all as fake, setup by the right wing MSM. But this has now got to the point of, yes, he actually did do what the Mail accused him of.
It shouldn't matter a damn what Boris has said, this issue should be judged on its own merits - that 160 Labour MPs tell Corbyn to resign as Leader, or else they resign the Labour Whip.
Using Boris as cover is playing the CCHQ tune, of keeping Corbyn in place.
How about if 160 Labour MPs resigned the whip, took the £50million on offer for a new centre party and chose a plausible PM in waiting as leader. They would be the official opposition overnight with all the influence that that affords, the Labour rump would still have the Unions and most constituency parties but the new party wouldn't be SDP Mark 2, it would be something much more formidable.
O/t but the Scottish High Court has today quashed the conviction of Mark Lundy for murder. Unbelievably, that is the second time this has happened. His first conviction was quashed by the Privy Council on human rights grounds relating to the admissibility of certain evidence. The second time, today, the conviction was quashed because of an intemperate and inaccurate speech to the Jury by the AD which the trial judge did not adequately correct.
The victim was stabbed 4x. It is not in dispute that Lundy did it. What is in dispute is whether it was self defence or not. He is to be retried. I just cannot imagine what it will be like for the victims family going through this yet again.
What does "quashed by the Privy Council" mean in practice?
Somehow I'm doubting Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson etc sat together and quashed the verdict.
It means it was set aside but that he was to be retried.
BBC silence is shocking. I believe that if they gave it 50% of the Boris covrage then Corbyn would be finished. If they don't cover this properly I think they have crossed some sort of line.
If it wasnt for Boris helping him out, this really must be the highpoint for the PLP who have flirted with the idea that they cant stay in a Corbyn led Labour Party. This is big, the mail article initially seemed like it was maybe over egging it, then squakbox went out of their way to denounce it all as fake, setup by the right wing MSM. But this has now got to the point of, yes, he actually did do what the Mail accused him of.
It shouldn't matter a damn what Boris has said, this issue should be judged on its own merits - that 160 Labour MPs tell Corbyn to resign as Leader, or else they resign the Labour Whip.
Using Boris as cover is playing the CCHQ tune, of keeping Corbyn in place.
How about if 160 Labour MPs resigned the whip, took the £50million on offer for a new centre party and chose a plausible PM in waiting as leader. They would be the official opposition overnight with all the influence that that affords, the Labour rump would still have the Unions and most constituency parties but the new party wouldn't be SDP Mark 2, it would be something much more formidable.
It won't happen - because they lack the balls to do it.
Hitler: "I was present at Nuremburg rally, but I don't think I was actually involved in it..."
Godwin of the day.
Sometimes, only reaching for the Third Reich will do....
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
The event which crystallised her disenchantment was John Freeman asking Cardinal Heenan what one word summed up the Church. Margaret waited, expecting something like “charity”or “love”. The Cardinal’s answer was “Authority”.I have a similar story from my all-too-distant youth.
A long time ago I started work at a government agency that had decided it needed to look after its "brand image" and the plucky band of new recruits of which I was a part had to endure a talk from a "brand champion" about branding. This included asking us the question, "What one word does Disney use to describe its brand vision?"
Reticence at participating in audience interaction notwithstanding, various responses were provided along the lines of "fun", "excitement", "wonder" and other similarly jolly words. The sterile and joyless reality (apparently) is that Disney defines its brand image in the single word "safety".
I tend to think that this is a fine example of the negativity of our times. Disney knows that its customers are not the children, but the parents, and that the chief preoccupation of a parent is not that their child is happy, but that their child is safe, or at least, not unhappy. I can easily see how this parallels political campaigning with the use of attack ads in the US, with much campaigning in British general elections concentrating on which party is best placed to stop another - and the Brexit vote being a vote against something (the status quo for Leave and economic armageddon for Remain) rather than a vote for something.
On the other hand, I baked scones yesterday. So that's nice. (Don't mind me, I'm just passing through).
BBC silence is shocking. I believe that if they gave it 50% of the Boris covrage then Corbyn would be finished. If they don't cover this properly I think they have crossed some sort of line.
If it wasnt for Boris helping him out, this really must be the highpoint for the PLP who have flirted with the idea that they cant stay in a Corbyn led Labour Party. This is big, the mail article initially seemed like it was maybe over egging it, then squakbox went out of their way to denounce it all as fake, setup by the right wing MSM. But this has now got to the point of, yes, he actually did do what the Mail accused him of.
It shouldn't matter a damn what Boris has said, this issue should be judged on its own merits - that 160 Labour MPs tell Corbyn to resign as Leader, or else they resign the Labour Whip.
Using Boris as cover is playing the CCHQ tune, of keeping Corbyn in place.
Conservative Leave MPs will want Corbyn in place when parliament restarts - so that Brexit is implemented.
BBC silence is shocking. I believe that if they gave it 50% of the Boris covrage then Corbyn would be finished. If they don't cover this properly I think they have crossed some sort of line.
If it wasnt for Boris helping him out, this really must be the highpoint for the PLP who have flirted with the idea that they cant stay in a Corbyn led Labour Party. This is big, the mail article initially seemed like it was maybe over egging it, then squakbox went out of their way to denounce it all as fake, setup by the right wing MSM. But this has now got to the point of, yes, he actually did do what the Mail accused him of.
It shouldn't matter a damn what Boris has said, this issue should be judged on its own merits - that 160 Labour MPs tell Corbyn to resign as Leader, or else they resign the Labour Whip.
Using Boris as cover is playing the CCHQ tune, of keeping Corbyn in place.
How about if 160 Labour MPs resigned the whip, took the £50million on offer for a new centre party and chose a plausible PM in waiting as leader. They would be the official opposition overnight with all the influence that that affords, the Labour rump would still have the Unions and most constituency parties but the new party wouldn't be SDP Mark 2, it would be something much more formidable.
It won't happen - because they lack the balls to do it.
... but that's all. OK, maybe organisation too, but it could work. Trudeau came from third to win a majority, Macron came from nowhere to set up a new party and win. Trump beat all expectations and won. Remember the SDP in alliance with the Liberals had high poll ratings but didn't have £50 million to spend or the critical mass that 160 Labour MPs (the Official Opposition) would have.
Hitler: "I was present at Nuremburg rally, but I don't think I was actually involved in it..."
Godwin of the day.
Sometimes, only reaching for the Third Reich will do....
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
I feel no sympathy. I repeat, I feel no sympathy! The German people chose their fate. That may surprise some people. Don't fool yourself. We didn't force the German people. They gave us a mandate, and now their little throats are being cut!
- Goebbels as portrayed in Downfall (Das Untergang) in 2004.
(the quote is actually modified from what he said directly to one of his underlings in 1945)
They'll have to explain the Morning Star article he wrote about it at the time.
And the video upthread where he says "I laid a wreath"
And says another big lie about wanting to bring people together for a debate to get peace, his life's work apparently, but one which never ever involves him bringing Israelis into this debate or talking to them or listening to them.
And yet many in the electorate are willing to trust such a man to lead them.
Hoping for honour in politics is a fool's errand, I realise......
The event which crystallised her disenchantment was John Freeman asking Cardinal Heenan what one word summed up the Church. Margaret waited, expecting something like “charity”or “love”. The Cardinal’s answer was “Authority”.I have a similar story from my all-too-distant youth.
A long time ago I started work at a government agency that had decided it needed to look after its "brand image" and the plucky band of new recruits of which I was a part had to endure a talk from a "brand champion" about branding. This included asking us the question, "What one word does Disney use to describe its brand vision?"
Reticence at participating in audience interaction notwithstanding, various responses were provided along the lines of "fun", "excitement", "wonder" and other similarly jolly words. The sterile and joyless reality (apparently) is that Disney defines its brand image in the single word "safety".
I tend to think that this is a fine example of the negativity of our times. Disney knows that its customers are not the children, but the parents, and that the chief preoccupation of a parent is not that their child is happy, but that their child is safe, or at least, not unhappy. I can easily see how this parallels political campaigning with the use of attack ads in the US, with much campaigning in British general elections concentrating on which party is best placed to stop another - and the Brexit vote being a vote against something (the status quo for Leave and economic armageddon for Remain) rather than a vote for something.
On the other hand, I baked scones yesterday. So that's nice. (Don't mind me, I'm just passing through).
Blimey: I'd associate Disney with "magic" at best and "utter tedium" at worst. But "safety" .......
In one of my more cynical moments I once had an idea for a bank. Its brand would be based on two things: it would be .... drum roll ...... honest. And its staff would be able to count.
Over a drink I will be able to tell you the real life story which triggered this particular bout of cynicism. But not on this forum, alas.
I like scones. On Saturday I had some very nice madeleines, which my half-French grandmother used to make for me.
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Not in a million years. Most of the cult now believe that 4+4 is 5.
They'll have to explain the Morning Star article he wrote about it at the time.
And the video upthread where he says "I laid a wreath"
And says another big lie about wanting to bring people together for a debate to get peace, his life's work apparently, but one which never ever involves him bringing Israelis into this debate or talking to them or listening to them.
And yet many in the electorate are willing to trust such a man to lead them.
Hoping for honour in politics is a fool's errand, I realise......
An excellent header, @Cyclefree. Honour and integrity are vital to good governance, in both senses of the word "good".
Ms. Anazina, agreed on the mechanics of an election on the same basis as the Smith [was that his name?] challenge.
They could split. Moderate Labour MPs presumably have the numbers (if they had the courage) to automatically found the second largest party and become the Official Opposition.
Their alternative is to support as potential prime minister Jeremy Corbyn.
Hitler: "I was present at Nuremburg rally, but I don't think I was actually involved in it..."
Godwin of the day.
Sometimes, only reaching for the Third Reich will do....
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
You have insinuated that the late Bishop of Chichester (George Bell) is a dishonorable man. The case against him is not proven. Peter Hitchens, the MoS columnist, has written a lot about how he believes the allegations are false - see his blog for more details of the case.
Everyone who has strong beliefs tends to see things in a one-sided manner, and insist that they are right. It is as true of previous political leaders, such as Blair (over Iraq) and Churchill, and is not per se necessarily wrong. Churchill's strong belief that one couldn't do business with the 3rd Reich (unlike many other leading Tories at the time) meant that he was determined to keep Britain fighting on in the summer of 1940.
Mr. F, it's interesting how some names have longevity and others don't. Jason, Alexander, Marcus have all been around a while.
Rare to see a Ptolemy, and very unusual to see an Antigonus.
Mr Dancer, there was once upon a time a constellation called Antinous, since Hadrian's time but its stars were transferred to Aquila to Eagle by the International Astronimoical Union in 1930.
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Labour is lost to the moderates for a generation. Corbyn has the backing of the Unions, the local parties are mostly dominated by Momentum. The left have been strengthened within Labour's ruling bodies and are changing the rules to ensure it stays that way. No, moderate Labour MPs either have to wait and hope that Corbyn gets beaten badly in the next GE*, or fails miserably as PM, or they need the guts to break away now.
*Remember Stephen Kinnock's face in that documentary when the 2017 results started to come in?
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Not in a million years. Most of the cult now believe that 4+4 is 5.
But they can tell 1 October 2014 is not 4 October 2014
Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.
Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).
Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Labour is lost to the moderates for a generation. Corbyn has the backing of the Unions, the local parties are mostly dominated by Momentum. The left have been strengthened within Labour's ruling bodies and are changing the rules to ensure it stays that way. No, moderate Labour MPs either have to wait and hope that Corbyn gets beaten badly in the next GE*, or fails miserably as PM, or they need the guts to break away now.
*Remember Stephen Kinnock's face in that documentary when the 2017 results started to come in?
Jezza and team are terrified of a break away party. It would do enough damage to stop them getting into government.
Otherwise, according to Stephen Bush, they are supremely confident, believing the Brexit vote and Trump, shows that a radical change pitch can win.
On topic, whenever loyalty to an organisation is prioritised ahead of remedying a problem, moral corruption ensues.
Many organisations are casting around at present trying to define their purpose (in many cases, identifying that purpose can be highly problematic). For political parties, however, identifying their purpose should be reasonably straightforward. If organisations can have the courage to act in accordance with their defined purpose, they will rarely go astray. Unfortunately, when it comes to the crunch, they rarely have.
Dr. Prasannan, ha, that's rather good. Tarkin's one of the most underrated characters. I always liked the dynamic he had with Vader.
Bit surprised they went the route they did in Rogue One, rather than recasting Wayne Pygram (who 'played' Tarkin at the end of Revenge of the Sith, I think).
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Hitler: "I was present at Nuremburg rally, but I don't think I was actually involved in it..."
Godwin of the day.
Sometimes, only reaching for the Third Reich will do....
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
You have insinuated that the late Bishop of Chichester (George Bell) is a dishonorable man. The case against him is not proven. Peter Hitchens, the MoS columnist, has written a lot about how he believes the allegations are false - see his blog for more details of the case.
Everyone who has strong beliefs tends to see things in a one-sided manner, and insist that they are right. It is as true of previous political leaders, such as Blair (over Iraq) and Churchill, and is not per se necessarily wrong. Churchill's strong belief that one couldn't do business with the 3rd Reich (unlike many other leading Tories at the time) meant that he was determined to keep Britain fighting on in the summer of 1940.
That is a fair point. He was never charged or tried. My point was that there have been allegations of cover ups by senior Anglican churchmen of allegations of abuse against other senior clergymen. Perhaps a better example might have been the Bishop of Gloucester who did accept a caution and about whom the Inquiry into Historic Child Abuse recently commented.
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
You can see why they want to implement the Leveson proposals. Under those, even if the newspaper's story is 100% accurate, it would still be liable for Corbyn's costs. A way of shutting down uncomfortable stories without actually having to ban them. Utterly discreditable.
Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.
Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).
Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.
It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?
Perhaps JC is just being very English, as only a certain Mr Goebbels told us all, in 1941 -
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Not in a million years. Most of the cult now believe that 4+4 is 5.
But they can tell 1 October 2014 is not 4 October 2014
Change is coming
Give it up BJO. Even Corbyn himself has admitted that he laid a wreath for them in his Morning Star article.
Why bother deny what he has done? Aren't you proud of this? After all, this is why he was voted in - because he was different, he looked for peace, he talked to all sorts of people, he opened up the debate away from the centre-right, he supported unpopular causes, wasn't it?
Or are the desperate attempts to deny the truth evidence that some of you at least understand that honouring terrorists who castrate a man, torture others and then murder them is not a good thing?
Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.
Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).
Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.
It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?
Raise interest rates as fast as you dare and then a bit more. Then pension assets will pay out more (ie lowering the capital cost of a pension for any given annual payout) and it costs more to service a BTL loan making holding housing less attractive.
It's part of the problem only of course. There's still too many households chasing too few houses and we are not increasing supply very quickly, but the biblical distortions nigh on zero per cent interest rates have caused I'm sure will be a wonder for future generations of economists to behold (many a PhD of the 2050's I suspect will have the summary "WTF did they think they were playing at?").
Daft politicians pouring petrol on the flames of all of this by grasping at people's pension pots doesn't help though either.
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Not in a million years. Most of the cult now believe that 4+4 is 5.
But they can tell 1 October 2014 is not 4 October 2014
Change is coming
Give it up BJO. Even Corbyn himself has admitted that he laid a wreath for them in his Morning Star article.
Why bother deny what he has done? Aren't you proud of this? After all, this is why he was voted in - because he was different, he looked for peace, he talked to all sorts of people, he opened up the debate away from the centre-right, he supported unpopular causes, wasn't it?
Or are the desperate attempts to deny the truth evidence that some of you at least understand that honouring terrorists who castrate a man, torture others and then murder them is not a good thing?
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Not in a million years. Most of the cult now believe that 4+4 is 5.
But they can tell 1 October 2014 is not 4 October 2014
Change is coming
Give it up BJO. Even Corbyn himself has admitted that he laid a wreath for them in his Morning Star article.
Why bother deny what he has done? Aren't you proud of this? After all, this is why he was voted in - because he was different, he looked for peace, he talked to all sorts of people, he opened up the debate away from the centre-right, he supported unpopular causes, wasn't it?
Or are the desperate attempts to deny the truth evidence that some of you at least understand that honouring terrorists who castrate a man, torture others and then murder them is not a good thing?
For them
"Them" is the victims of a 1985 Israeli airstrike on Palestinian Liberation Organisation offices in Tunis. According to the Morning Star
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Not in a million years. Most of the cult now believe that 4+4 is 5.
But they can tell 1 October 2014 is not 4 October 2014
Change is coming
Give it up BJO. Even Corbyn himself has admitted that he laid a wreath for them in his Morning Star article.
Why bother deny what he has done? Aren't you proud of this? After all, this is why he was voted in - because he was different, he looked for peace, he talked to all sorts of people, he opened up the debate away from the centre-right, he supported unpopular causes, wasn't it?
Or are the desperate attempts to deny the truth evidence that some of you at least understand that honouring terrorists who castrate a man, torture others and then murder them is not a good thing?
For them
"Them" is the victims of a 1985 Israeli airstrike on Palestinian Liberation Organisation offices in Tunis. According to the Morning Star
Still no comment on the Palestinians assassinating the Israeli athletes at the Olympics. Go on BJO, condemn them
BJO - You can’t find this on Morning Star website - search function only includes this year and last. In Corbyn’s own words the wreath was for the Munich terrorists.
A wreath for victims of the air attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunisia.
We know that.
Wrong wreath laying ceremony by 3 days for Daily Fail
Hey but ignore the facts
You do know the families of the Olympic assassination are absolutely furious with Corbyn.
Wait until they get an airing on TV
Why?
He wasnt there on 4th October 2014. He was there on 1 October 2014 when a wreath was laid for the victims of the airstrike on the PLO headquarters
I remember you telling me to give it up on the Commie Spy lie too.
You protest too much
And where is your total condemnation of the Palestinians assassination of the Israelis at the Olympics
Of course i totally condemn that act
I am being accused of bile because Jezza says he was laying a wreath for the victims of an air strike in Tunisia and you and others are trying to say he was laying a wreath for the Munich hijackers.
Why would a man who has fought all his life against all acts of terror celebrate the Munich hijackers?
Interesting speculation (that for once on this bloody site doesn't involve muslims/burkas) about Corbyn losing the Labour leadership.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
Labour is lost to the moderates for a generation. Corbyn has the backing of the Unions, the local parties are mostly dominated by Momentum. The left have been strengthened within Labour's ruling bodies and are changing the rules to ensure it stays that way. No, moderate Labour MPs either have to wait and hope that Corbyn gets beaten badly in the next GE*, or fails miserably as PM, or they need the guts to break away now.
*Remember Stephen Kinnock's face in that documentary when the 2017 results started to come in?
Jezza and team are terrified of a break away party. It would do enough damage to stop them getting into government.
Otherwise, according to Stephen Bush, they are supremely confident, believing the Brexit vote and Trump, shows that a radical change pitch can win.
A radical change pitch can win, as proven not just by Brexit/Trump but also by Macron. What could be a more radical change than an overnight new Official Opposition party, well financed and offering a way out of the Brexit mess? And as a by-product making Labour the third or fourth party overnight.
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They would be the official opposition overnight with all the influence that that affords, the Labour rump would still have the Unions and most constituency parties but the new party wouldn't be SDP Mark 2, it would be something much more formidable.
And just how inept they are.
I mean, if Sqwawkbox are too emarrassed to run them.....
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Festus.
A long time ago I started work at a government agency that had decided it needed to look after its "brand image" and the plucky band of new recruits of which I was a part had to endure a talk from a "brand champion" about branding. This included asking us the question, "What one word does Disney use to describe its brand vision?"
Reticence at participating in audience interaction notwithstanding, various responses were provided along the lines of "fun", "excitement", "wonder" and other similarly jolly words. The sterile and joyless reality (apparently) is that Disney defines its brand image in the single word "safety".
I tend to think that this is a fine example of the negativity of our times. Disney knows that its customers are not the children, but the parents, and that the chief preoccupation of a parent is not that their child is happy, but that their child is safe, or at least, not unhappy. I can easily see how this parallels political campaigning with the use of attack ads in the US, with much campaigning in British general elections concentrating on which party is best placed to stop another - and the Brexit vote being a vote against something (the status quo for Leave and economic armageddon for Remain) rather than a vote for something.
On the other hand, I baked scones yesterday. So that's nice. (Don't mind me, I'm just passing through).
OK, maybe organisation too, but it could work.
Trudeau came from third to win a majority,
Macron came from nowhere to set up a new party and win.
Trump beat all expectations and won.
Remember the SDP in alliance with the Liberals had high poll ratings but didn't have £50 million to spend or the critical mass that 160 Labour MPs (the Official Opposition) would have.
https://twitter.com/l_attfield/status/1029002690779639809
- Goebbels as portrayed in Downfall (Das Untergang) in 2004.
(the quote is actually modified from what he said directly to one of his underlings in 1945)
And yet many in the electorate are willing to trust such a man to lead them.
Hoping for honour in politics is a fool's errand, I realise......
This is pure 1984 stuff now. Photos never existed. People who did things didn't do them.
2 and 2 does not make 4.
Adding this madness to the constant attacks on journalists and the BBC, and I am beginning to genuinely be scared what this lot will do in power.
In one of my more cynical moments I once had an idea for a bank. Its brand would be based on two things: it would be .... drum roll ...... honest. And its staff would be able to count.
Over a drink I will be able to tell you the real life story which triggered this particular bout of cynicism. But not on this forum, alas.
I like scones. On Saturday I had some very nice madeleines, which my half-French grandmother used to make for me.
Rare to see a Ptolemy, and very unusual to see an Antigonus.
How would this be achieved? I suppose it is possible that some sort of stalking horse (Clive Lewis?) challenges him, then others pile in. My question is the membership. Presumably it is as/more Corbynite than ever? No way he will be allowed to resign, as Milne knows that that will be the end of the far-left's control of the party.
They could split. Moderate Labour MPs presumably have the numbers (if they had the courage) to automatically found the second largest party and become the Official Opposition.
Their alternative is to support as potential prime minister Jeremy Corbyn.
Everyone who has strong beliefs tends to see things in a one-sided manner, and insist that they are right. It is as true of previous political leaders, such as Blair (over Iraq) and Churchill, and is not per se necessarily wrong. Churchill's strong belief that one couldn't do business with the 3rd Reich (unlike many other leading Tories at the time) meant that he was determined to keep Britain fighting on in the summer of 1940.
https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677
No, moderate Labour MPs either have to wait and hope that Corbyn gets beaten badly in the next GE*, or fails miserably as PM, or they need the guts to break away now.
*Remember Stephen Kinnock's face in that documentary when the 2017 results started to come in?
Change is coming
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1029023681358512129
Mr. Rentool, the Mogg Family Cricket Team must be completed
Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.
Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).
Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.
Otherwise, according to Stephen Bush, they are supremely confident, believing the Brexit vote and Trump, shows that a radical change pitch can win.
The story will not go away as a result of adopting the full set of examples. It has gone beyond that now.
Many organisations are casting around at present trying to define their purpose (in many cases, identifying that purpose can be highly problematic). For political parties, however, identifying their purpose should be reasonably straightforward. If organisations can have the courage to act in accordance with their defined purpose, they will rarely go astray. Unfortunately, when it comes to the crunch, they rarely have.
Bit surprised they went the route they did in Rogue One, rather than recasting Wayne Pygram (who 'played' Tarkin at the end of Revenge of the Sith, I think).
Not even in Tunisia on 4/10/14
Anyway Dan Hodges is an Anti Semite so ignore
He is being widely ridiculed and is just not fit to hold high office
You can see why they want to implement the Leveson proposals. Under those, even if the newspaper's story is 100% accurate, it would still be liable for Corbyn's costs. A way of shutting down uncomfortable stories without actually having to ban them. Utterly discreditable.
We know that.
Wrong wreath laying ceremony by 3 days for Daily Fail
Hey but ignore the facts
https://twitter.com/MediaGuido/status/1029027855034929152
So either the original reports were erroneous (which I doubt) or the CPS have dropped one charge.
So just STFU
Utterly amazing - not a word or even a hint of Corbyn's nonsense
Why bother deny what he has done? Aren't you proud of this? After all, this is why he was voted in - because he was different, he looked for peace, he talked to all sorts of people, he opened up the debate away from the centre-right, he supported unpopular causes, wasn't it?
Or are the desperate attempts to deny the truth evidence that some of you at least understand that honouring terrorists who castrate a man, torture others and then murder them is not a good thing?
Wait until they get an airing on TV
It is not antisemitic to criticise Israels attacks on the unarmed Palestinian women and children .
No matter how many free holidays are at stake for LFI MPs
It's part of the problem only of course. There's still too many households chasing too few houses and we are not increasing supply very quickly, but the biblical distortions nigh on zero per cent interest rates have caused I'm sure will be a wonder for future generations of economists to behold (many a PhD of the 2050's I suspect will have the summary "WTF did they think they were playing at?").
Daft politicians pouring petrol on the flames of all of this by grasping at people's pension pots doesn't help though either.
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/1028655153551953920
He wasnt there on 4th October 2014. He was there on 1 October 2014 when a wreath was laid for the victims of the airstrike on the PLO headquarters
I remember you telling me to give it up on the Commie Spy lie too.
And where is your total condemnation of the Palestinians assassination of the Israelis at the Olympics
As would Jezza.
What is wrong with you.
Terrorism and killing of innocents is abhorent no matter who is the perp.
BJO - You can’t find this on Morning Star website - search function only includes this year and last. In Corbyn’s own words the wreath was for the Munich terrorists.
https://twitter.com/JulieOwenMoylan/status/1029026723139072001
Not a word on Corbyn
He will take the title of Lord Wreath.
I am being accused of bile because Jezza says he was laying a wreath for the victims of an air strike in Tunisia and you and others are trying to say he was laying a wreath for the Munich hijackers.
Why would a man who has fought all his life against all acts of terror celebrate the Munich hijackers?
What could be a more radical change than an overnight new Official Opposition party, well financed and offering a way out of the Brexit mess?
And as a by-product making Labour the third or fourth party overnight.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1029033604112941056