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  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Just watched BBC 5 o clock news

    Not a word on Corbyn

    They don't like it when stories are broken by Sky. It is not the first time that they have ignored big stories for hours because of the Sky connection.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    https://twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Just caught the headlines of Sky and the BBC. Corbyn and the wreath was top story on Sky. Didn't even get a mention on the BBC.

    Not so many days ago the BBC had a segment bleating about fake news. I wonder if that includes omitting stories.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkfXQL6X0AAT2Cf?format=jpg

    BJO - You can’t find this on Morning Star website - search function only includes this year and last. In Corbyn’s own words the wreath was for the Munich terrorists.

    He was clearly just lying to impress his Lefty mates.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786

    Just caught the headlines of Sky and the BBC. Corbyn and the wreath was top story on Sky. Didn't even get a mention on the BBC.

    Not so many days ago the BBC had a segment bleating about fake news. I wonder if that includes omitting stories.

    They've forgotten their wreathian values...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. Glenn, some say Corbyn will be present at the next Reith Lecture, but he won't be involved.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The latest spin appears to be Jezza was admitting to laying a completely different wreath.

    You don't know this wreath, goes to a different school, she lives round my Nan's...
  • Just caught the headlines of Sky and the BBC. Corbyn and the wreath was top story on Sky. Didn't even get a mention on the BBC.

    Not so many days ago the BBC had a segment bleating about fake news. I wonder if that includes omitting stories.

    They've forgotten their wreathian values...
    Very good
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721

    Scott_P said:

    Corbyn has the backing of the Unions

    3 big Unions have said he should accept the full definition of anti-Semitism
    Which is now too late.

    The story will not go away as a result of adopting the full set of examples. It has gone beyond that now.
    Good cos we aren't accepting the examples which counts criticism of Israel.


    It is not antisemitic to criticise Israels attacks on the unarmed Palestinian women and children .

    No matter how many free holidays are at stake for LFI MPs
    Of course it is not but will you utterly condemn the Palestinians who assassinated the Israelis at the Olympic games
    Of course I would,

    As would Jezza.

    What is wrong with you.

    Terrorism and killing of innocents is abhorent no matter who is the perp.
    When has Corbyn condemned the Palestinians for the Olympic assassination
    How do I know I am sure he has and would again if you asked him to.

    When did TM condemn it?

    If you think Corbyn is Pro Hijacking you are crackers
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820


    ....
    Why would a man who has fought all his life against all acts of terror celebrate the Munich hijackers?

    LOL! I hadn't realised you were such a master of sly satire, BJO! Bravo!

    (They weren't hijackers, BTW. Rather nastier even than that.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957
    RobD said:

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
    Awww..... BJO repeats everything they say as gospel. He'll be so upset to find out.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    That's a big story, which I don't think has had much coverage here. It could change the dynamics of the primaries quite considerably:

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554147818/california-moves-up-2020-primary-elections-to-march?t=1534177197386
  • Scott_P said:

    Corbyn has the backing of the Unions

    3 big Unions have said he should accept the full definition of anti-Semitism
    Which is now too late.

    The story will not go away as a result of adopting the full set of examples. It has gone beyond that now.
    Good cos we aren't accepting the examples which counts criticism of Israel.


    It is not antisemitic to criticise Israels attacks on the unarmed Palestinian women and children .

    No matter how many free holidays are at stake for LFI MPs
    Of course it is not but will you utterly condemn the Palestinians who assassinated the Israelis at the Olympic games
    Of course I would,

    As would Jezza.

    What is wrong with you.

    Terrorism and killing of innocents is abhorent no matter who is the perp.
    When has Corbyn condemned the Palestinians for the Olympic assassination
    How do I know I am sure he has and would again if you asked him to.

    When did TM condemn it?

    If you think Corbyn is Pro Hijacking you are crackers
    I am not the one who is crackers
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Saw this rather good photoshop on twitter... :D

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkfipsSXcAArfFC.jpg
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Might we get better politicians were we to reward honourable behaviour?

    It would be nice to think so, but we'll never know, will we? There's a reason all organisations ultimately end up putting their reputations before anything else, be they political, religious, charity or anything else; it usually works.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    There was an American Israeli called Baruch Goldstein who entered a mosque in Hebron in 1994 and shot and killed 29 worshippers wounding 125. His graveside has become a grotesque pilgrimage site for right wing extremists. A plaque near the grave reads, "To the holy Baruch Goldstein, who gave his life for the Jewish people, the Torah, and the nation of Israel".

    Which brings me to Jeremy Corbyn..... If he did in fact lay a wreath or attend any sort of ceremony for those who murdered the Israel athletes I would expect him to be viewed in the same light as any politician laying a wreath at Baruch Goldstein's grave. That is to say with total and utter disgust followed within minutes by their resignation.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721
    edited August 2018

    Scott_P said:

    Corbyn has the backing of the Unions

    3 big Unions have said he should accept the full definition of anti-Semitism
    Which is now too late.

    The story will not go away as a result of adopting the full set of examples. It has gone beyond that now.
    Good cos we aren't accepting the examples which counts criticism of Israel.


    It is not antisemitic to criticise Israels attacks on the unarmed Palestinian women and children .

    No matter how many free holidays are at stake for LFI MPs
    Of course it is not but will you utterly condemn the Palestinians who assassinated the Israelis at the Olympic games
    Of course I would,

    As would Jezza.

    What is wrong with you.

    Terrorism and killing of innocents is abhorent no matter who is the perp.
    When has Corbyn condemned the Palestinians for the Olympic assassination
    How do I know I am sure he has and would again if you asked him to.

    When did TM condemn it?

    If you think Corbyn is Pro Hijacking you are crackers
    The Times of Israel says he condemns it This was in 2017 BTW

    “Jeremy Corbyn condemns the Munich massacre and its perpetrators, and that what he was attending was not anything to do with perpetrator Atef Bseiso, but an event to commemorate the 1985 bombing of the PLO headquarters,” the board wrote in a statement Monday.
  • Roger said:

    There was an American Israeli called Baruch Goldstein who entered a mosque in Hebron in 1994 and shot and killed 29 worshippers wounding 125. His graveside has become a grotesque pilgrimage site for right wing extremists. A plaque near the grave reads, "To the holy Baruch Goldstein, who gave his life for the Jewish people, the Torah, and the nation of Israel".

    Which brings me to Jeremy Corbyn..... If he did in fact lay a wreath or attend any sort of ceremony for those who murdered the Israel athletes I would expect him to be viewed in the same light as any politician laying a wreath at Baruch Goldstein's grave. That is to say with total and utter disgust followed within minutes by their resignation.

    Hello, Roger. Have any British MPs attended the grave of Goldstein?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721

    RobD said:

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
    Awww..... BJO repeats everything they say as gospel. He'll be so upset to find out.
    Re the commie spy who was right

    a) The Sun

    b) Skwawkbox
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
    Awww..... BJO repeats everything they say as gospel. He'll be so upset to find out.
    Re the commie spy who was right

    a) The Sun

    b) Skwawkbox
    They are fake news. So fake, in fact, that they had to delete their articles/tweets to cover their tracks.
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    (In an article in Al-Sharq Al-Awsat on 4 September 2004, shortly after the Beslan massacre, Abdel Rahman al-Rashed wrote this: “It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorist, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslim…….It would be easy to cure ourselves if we realise the seriousness of our sickness. Self-cure starts with self-realisation and confession.

    We should then run after our terrorist sons, in the full knowledge that they are the sour grapes of a deformed culture.” Substitute “Catholics” and “child abusers” and “abusive priests” for “Muslims”, “terrorists” and “terrorist sons” in the above passage and this could – and should be – addressed to the church)

    I hope i am misintererpreting the above but you seem to be suggesting that most child abusers are Catholics, which would be of course utter nonsense.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
    Awww..... BJO repeats everything they say as gospel. He'll be so upset to find out.
    Re the commie spy who was right

    a) The Sun

    b) Skwawkbox
    They are fake news. So fake, in fact, that they had to delete their articles/tweets to cover their tracks.
    Still article debunking Daily Mail fake wreath news though.

    This looks like a good weekend out for you Rob

    https://twitter.com/DjDanPropaganda/status/1027853210067890176
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
    Awww..... BJO repeats everything they say as gospel. He'll be so upset to find out.
    Re the commie spy who was right

    a) The Sun

    b) Skwawkbox
    They are fake news. So fake, in fact, that they had to delete their articles/tweets to cover their tracks.
    Still article debunking Daily Mail fake wreath news though.

    This looks like a good weekend out for you Rob

    twitter.com/DjDanPropaganda/status/1027853210067890176
    Shows you have to be high as a kite to support him.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    How on earth decent Labour MPs, those that haven't already drifted off, can in all conscience remain in the party is a complete mystery.

    Not that this story is anything new, of course. Anyone who's being paying attention for the last thirty years, or even the last four years, should know how vile Corbyn is.

    That's one Conservative view.
    As a lefty I find Corbyn and Labour's antisemitic hangup pretty hideous.
    But Labour has been around for a while and many honourable members will stick it out.
    I don't think you should expect Hilary Benn, for example, not to endure.
    Personally, I am beginning to see the attraction of becoming a red liberal. Does anyone here think the LibDems are benefiting from all this?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    This lengthy twitter thread looks at some of the detail of the wreath-laying claims:

    twitter.com/njstone9/status/1029017018232594432

    Skwawkbox is a joke. But we all knew that anyway....
    Awww..... BJO repeats everything they say as gospel. He'll be so upset to find out.
    Re the commie spy who was right

    a) The Sun

    b) Skwawkbox
    They are fake news. So fake, in fact, that they had to delete their articles/tweets to cover their tracks.
    Still article debunking Daily Mail fake wreath news though.

    This looks like a good weekend out for you Rob

    https://twitter.com/DjDanPropaganda/status/1027853210067890176
    Maybe it's just me, and this is why I am not the festival going type, but surely there are people who love the music but don't want to spend their time praising elderly socialist members of the elite and so are put off going to such things?
  • Scott_P said:
    Will the BBC get round to reporting on this
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,933
    Mr. NorthWales, is shocking that they aren't doing so now.

    After bleating about the rise of fake news a week or two ago.

    Anyway, I must be off to perambulate with the hound.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    houndtang said:

    (In an article in Al-Sharq Al-Awsat on 4 September 2004, shortly after the Beslan massacre, Abdel Rahman al-Rashed wrote this: “It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorist, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslim…….It would be easy to cure ourselves if we realise the seriousness of our sickness. Self-cure starts with self-realisation and confession.

    We should then run after our terrorist sons, in the full knowledge that they are the sour grapes of a deformed culture.” Substitute “Catholics” and “child abusers” and “abusive priests” for “Muslims”, “terrorists” and “terrorist sons” in the above passage and this could – and should be – addressed to the church)

    I hope i am misintererpreting the above but you seem to be suggesting that most child abusers are Catholics, which would be of course utter nonsense.

    It would indeed. I was trying to make the point that what he wrote there about his religion, could, subject to that caveat, equally apply to my church. But I didn’t want to make it longer than it already was.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Toms said:

    How on earth decent Labour MPs, those that haven't already drifted off, can in all conscience remain in the party is a complete mystery.

    Not that this story is anything new, of course. Anyone who's being paying attention for the last thirty years, or even the last four years, should know how vile Corbyn is.

    That's one Conservative view.
    As a lefty I find Corbyn and Labour's antisemitic hangup pretty hideous.
    But Labour has been around for a while and many honourable members will stick it out.
    I don't think you should expect Hilary Benn, for example, not to endure.
    Personally, I am beginning to see the attraction of becoming a red liberal. Does anyone here think the LibDems are benefiting from all this?
    What evidence is there that they are? With the Tories and Labour as they are it certainly seems, and has for a long time, that the LibDems SHOULD be benefiting from all this, but I don't see much of it.

    I do see why even most who dislike Corbyn would stick within Labour, except any of those who believe him to be personally a racist and anti-semitic - that's not many, but it is some, and it seems orders of magnitude worse and harder to justify through loyalty.
  • I see the Tottenham Hotspur stadium build is going as well as their last transfer window.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7006016/tottenham-secret-payment-fa-wembley-new-stadium-not-ready/
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited August 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
  • I see the Tottenham Hotspur stadium build is going as well as their last transfer window.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7006016/tottenham-secret-payment-fa-wembley-new-stadium-not-ready/

    I'd heard much the same.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    edited August 2018
    At last - now on BBC app

    But not on 6 o clock news
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    welshowl said:

    Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).

    Lawson is - or was - a curious mix of the prescient and the appalling.

    His shadowing of the Deutschemark was a disastrous strategy that sent UK inflation and interest rates into double digits. If he'd chosen to look principally at inflation, it's highly likely that the UK would never have joined the ERM, and that might make the whole history of the last 30 years different.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786
    edited August 2018

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    It's been the only asset class where the average person could use leverage and has been made a one-way bet by government policy, so the comparison with other investments isn't particularly relevant.
  • I see the Tottenham Hotspur stadium build is going as well as their last transfer window.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7006016/tottenham-secret-payment-fa-wembley-new-stadium-not-ready/

    I'd heard much the same.
    Spurs are such an embarrassment these days.

    Liverpool's refurb of Anfield opened on time.

    Look on the bright side, at least you're not Arsenal.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    edited August 2018

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    It's been the only asset class where the average person could use leverage and has been made a one-way bet by government policy, so the comparison with other investments isn't particularly relevant.
    That's been true in the past but may not be in the future. Certainly owner occupying your own residence vs renting off of someone else is an almost sure-fire thing... but owning a second property to let out vs other forms of investment may not be going forward.

    Edit: Thinking about it, it might not be in London right now given the extraordinarily low implied rental yields there. Still owning has benefits beyond the immediately financial..
  • At last - now on BBC app

    But not on 6 o clock news

    It’s been there (as a video story) for 19 minutes now, but it’s not broken into the top 10 most read stories. I’ve noticed that with a lot of these Corbyn stories when they feature on the BBC.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    edited August 2018
    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    It's been the only asset class where the average person could use leverage and has been made a one-way bet by government policy, so the comparison with other investments isn't particularly relevant.

    Leverage is a two-edged sword, as property owners found to their cost in the 1990s, and again in some areas from 2007. You didn't want to be a property owner in Northern Ireland, for example, from 2008 to 2013 - prices halved.

    So not a one-way bet, and indeed you could argue that government policy has greatly boosted other investments, not least because a savvy investor has been able to shelter many hundreds of thousands in tax-free wrappers over the period we are talking about.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    welshowl said:

    stodge said:

    welshowl said:

    Indeed.

    Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.

    Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).

    Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.

    It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?

    Raise interest rates as fast as you dare and then a bit more. Then pension assets will pay out more (ie lowering the capital cost of a pension for any given annual payout) and it costs more to service a BTL loan making holding housing less attractive.
    If the UK government looked to raise interest rates, there would be a number of consequences:

    1. Pensions own bonds, which are usually fixed interest. So, raising interest rates would not increase their yields meaningfully.
    2. Sterling would rise, which would make British exports less competitive.
    3. Saving would become more attractive relative to spending, which would help solve the UK's over-consumption problem. However, it would also probably cause an absolute decline in consumer spending.
    4. Getting a mortgage would become harder.

    Raising interest rates would, almost certainly, help correct the UK's imbalances, and be good in the medium to long term. But it would be a painful process. Are we up for that?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    I doubt having Netanyahu against Corbyn will do him much harm amongst his natural constituency.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    He’ll wear that like a badge of honour.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786

    It's been the only asset class where the average person could use leverage and has been made a one-way bet by government policy, so the comparison with other investments isn't particularly relevant.

    Leverage is a two-edged sword, as property owners found to their cost in the 1990s, and again in some areas from 2007. You didn't want to be a property owner in Northern Ireland, for example, from 2008 to 2013 - prices halved.

    So not a one-way bet, and indeed you could argue that government policy has greatly boosted other investments, not least because a savvy investor has been able to shelter many hundreds of thousands in tax-free wrappers over the period we are talking about.
    That may be true, but the reason people like Fergus and Judith Wilson didn't go bankrupt is fundamentally because of government intervention that propped up their business model.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    stodge said:

    welshowl said:

    Indeed.

    Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.

    Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).

    Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.

    It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?

    Raise interest rates as fast as you dare and then a bit more. Then pension assets will pay out more (ie lowering the capital cost of a pension for any given annual payout) and it costs more to service a BTL loan making holding housing less attractive.
    If the UK government looked to raise interest rates, there would be a number of consequences:

    1. Pensions own bonds, which are usually fixed interest. So, raising interest rates would not increase their yields meaningfully.
    2. Sterling would rise, which would make British exports less competitive.
    3. Saving would become more attractive relative to spending, which would help solve the UK's over-consumption problem. However, it would also probably cause an absolute decline in consumer spending.
    4. Getting a mortgage would become harder.

    Raising interest rates would, almost certainly, help correct the UK's imbalances, and be good in the medium to long term. But it would be a painful process. Are we up for that?
    Rates should be raised, just very very slowly.
  • RobD said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    He’ll wear that like a badge of honour.
    Lucinda Berger furious with Corbyn
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
  • Pulpstar said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    I doubt having Netanyahu against Corbyn will do him much harm amongst his natural constituency.
    Tbh I don’t think having Nethanyahu against Corbyn will do him that much harm period.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Has Corbyn resigned yet ?

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    rcs1000 said:

    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
    Those are the internal details of an old poll.

    Though your point remains valid.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Given over half the world's population are Catholic or Muslim those bodies are big enough to survive past scandals, though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    The Labour Party and the BBC and the NHS also are big enough and with strong enough brands to learn from their past scandals and move on
  • BBC reporting Corbyn open to adopting the full IHRA definition including all examples.

    Forced into it by being found out
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited August 2018

    RobD said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    He’ll wear that like a badge of honour.
    Lucinda Berger furious with Corbyn
    I'm sure he can live with that, shrug noncommittally as if to say 'I don't know why people are mad at me and what can I do about it?' and so on it shall go until the end of time.

    BBC reporting Corbyn open to adopting the full IHRA definition including all examples.

    Forced into it by being found out

    As was predicted some time ago - he climbs down despite his much vaunted/criticised stubborness, and even though not much has really changed, that will be enough to get most critics to say 'Ok, time to back down and give him some more time' and those who don't stop look like they are only concerned with attacking him.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    Pulpstar said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    I doubt having Netanyahu against Corbyn will do him much harm amongst his natural constituency.
    Tbh I don’t think having Nethanyahu against Corbyn will do him that much harm period.
    Posted without comment ^^;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ju1w-iDR0o
  • TGOHF said:

    Has Corbyn resigned yet ?

    Nothing touches him. If he were caught in bed with a flock of sheep his cult members would say he was just knitting pyjamas and he'd get away with.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,569
    rcs1000 said:

    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
    Let's hope it's only egg...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    rcs1000 said:

    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
    The Swedish Democrats are not going to take power, it will be a Swedish Democrat led or Moderate led coalition that does that, the question is whether they can beat one or both of the main established parties the Moderates and the Swedish Democrats
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited August 2018
    One of the few times I’ve agreed with Matthew Goodwin.
    https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1028970557667196928?s=21
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    Ummmm. Let me know what your returns would have been on shares if you'd been allowed to leverage up nine times and collect the dividends tax free. Because that is UK property
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    I doubt having Netanyahu against Corbyn will do him much harm amongst his natural constituency.
    Tbh I don’t think having Nethanyahu against Corbyn will do him that much harm period.
    Posted without comment ^^;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ju1w-iDR0o
    That story was all over my timeline last week, yeah that man really makes you just shake your head.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    Has Corbyn resigned yet ?

    Nothing touches him. If he were caught in bed with a flock of sheep his cult members would say he was just knitting pyjamas and he'd get away with.

    Gordon Brown appeared to have abolished political gravity for a while. Then came the voters..
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    He’ll wear that like a badge of honour.
    Lucinda Berger furious with Corbyn
    I'm sure he can live with that, shrug noncommittally as if to say 'I don't know why people are mad at me and what can I do about it?' and so on it shall go until the end of time.
    I'm not sure he can really. He can't afford a split in the parliamentary party. And as casus belli for leaving political parties go, the Jew-die garland would be a particularly good one.
  • The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    HYUFD said:

    though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    They are moving out of the protection racket and paedophile businesses ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    Kay Burley on Sky reading the Israeli PM tweet on Sky

    Jon Craig of Sky saying this has become a full blown International incident with the PM of Israel condemning Corbyn

    He’ll wear that like a badge of honour.
    Lucinda Berger furious with Corbyn
    I'm sure he can live with that, shrug noncommittally as if to say 'I don't know why people are mad at me and what can I do about it?' and so on it shall go until the end of time.
    I'm not sure he can really. He can't afford a split in the parliamentary party. And as casus belli for leaving political parties go, the Jew-die garland would be a particularly good one.
    What I meant was he can live with her being furious with him. So long as that doesn't manifest as an actual split, he'll be fine.
  • The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.

    Welcome to PB Peter
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    HYUFD said:

    Given over half the world's population are Catholic or Muslim those bodies are big enough to survive past scandals, though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    The Labour Party and the BBC and the NHS also are big enough and with strong enough brands to learn from their past scandals and move on

    Survival is not enough. One of my Irish cousins, a priest, now living in America says that the Irish Catholic church is utterly discredited. You may think that a good thing. It will survive I expect. But it means that it in the interim it is less able to do the good it can do.

    The NHS has not learnt as much as it might from past scandals about how to develop an effective whistleblowing culture.

    We should surely want something more than just mere survival.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,569
    edited August 2018

    One of the few times I’ve agreed with Matthew Goodwin.
    https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1028970557667196928?s=21

    It’s a fragile moment for the Conservative Party. It may find a way to redefine conservatism for a changing electorate. Or it could experience a major and perhaps irrevocable split. Either outcome appears equally plausible...

    Who here favours which (if any) of these outcomes ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    One of the few times I’ve agreed with Matthew Goodwin.
    https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/1028970557667196928?s=21

    I don't know there is as much space as he thinks, but I thought similarly when I read that this morning.
  • Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    stodge said:

    welshowl said:

    Indeed.

    Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.

    Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).

    Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.

    It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?

    Raise interest rates as fast as you dare and then a bit more. Then pension assets will pay out more (ie lowering the capital cost of a pension for any given annual payout) and it costs more to service a BTL loan making holding housing less attractive.
    If the UK government looked to raise interest rates, there would be a number of consequences:

    1. Pensions own bonds, which are usually fixed interest. So, raising interest rates would not increase their yields meaningfully.
    2. Sterling would rise, which would make British exports less competitive.
    3. Saving would become more attractive relative to spending, which would help solve the UK's over-consumption problem. However, it would also probably cause an absolute decline in consumer spending.
    4. Getting a mortgage would become harder.

    Raising interest rates would, almost certainly, help correct the UK's imbalances, and be good in the medium to long term. But it would be a painful process. Are we up for that?
    Rates should be raised, just very very slowly.
    Boil the frog
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.

    The real Peter Hitchens? Welcome to PB, regardless.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited August 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    Ummmm. Let me know what your returns would have been on shares if you'd been allowed to leverage up nine times and collect the dividends tax free. Because that is UK property
    You couldn't collect rent tax-free (and now you can't even get tax relief on the mortgage).

    And yes, of course, if you borrow to buy an asset which subsequently rises in price, you do really well. But you are taking on massive extra risk. It's not free money, it's high-risk return - the opposite, in fact, of what people think they are getting when they invest in 'safe as houses' property with a big mortgage.

    To be clear, I'm referring to property as an investment, not your main home, or a second home for your own use.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.
  • I see the Tottenham Hotspur stadium build is going as well as their last transfer window.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7006016/tottenham-secret-payment-fa-wembley-new-stadium-not-ready/

    I'd heard much the same.
    Spurs are such an embarrassment these days.

    Liverpool's refurb of Anfield opened on time.

    Look on the bright side, at least you're not Arsenal.
    I wouldn't say I'm embarrassed TBF...... if we get to the end of the transfer window without losing anyone then 'net', I think that's not been too bad at all...

    Quite enjoyed your result vs the spanners too..
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    RobD said:

    The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.

    The real Peter Hitchens? Welcome to PB, regardless.
    I dealt with this upthread.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    Ummmm. Let me know what your returns would have been on shares if you'd been allowed to leverage up nine times and collect the dividends tax free. Because that is UK property
    You couldn't collect rent tax-free (and now you can't even get tax relief on the mortgage).

    And yes, of course, if you borrow to buy an asset which subsequently rises in price, you do really well. But you are taking on massive extra risk. It's not free money, it's high-risk return - the opposite, in fact, of what people think they are getting when they invest in 'safe as houses' property with a big mortgage.

    To be clear, I'm referring to property as an investment, not your main home, or a second home for your own use.
    If you are a 62% marginal tax-payer investing in to a pension soon to draw on it... now that's an attractive return for your investment and without taking any investment risk....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    TGOHF said:

    HYUFD said:

    though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    They are moving out of the protection racket and paedophile businesses ?
    Into the charitable work they do, see the Pope's work for the homeless
  • Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    Ummmm. Let me know what your returns would have been on shares if you'd been allowed to leverage up nine times and collect the dividends tax free. Because that is UK property
    You couldn't collect rent tax-free (and now you can't even get tax relief on the mortgage).

    And yes, of course, if you borrow to buy an asset which subsequently rises in price, you do really well. But you are taking on massive extra risk. It's not free money, it's high-risk return - the opposite, in fact, of what people think they are getting when they invest in 'safe as houses' property with a big mortgage.

    To be clear, I'm referring to property as an investment, not your main home, or a second home for your own use.
    Aren't you getting tax free imputed rent from the house you live in?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    Ummmm. Let me know what your returns would have been on shares if you'd been allowed to leverage up nine times and collect the dividends tax free. Because that is UK property
    You couldn't collect rent tax-free (and now you can't even get tax relief on the mortgage).

    And yes, of course, if you borrow to buy an asset which subsequently rises in price, you do really well. But you are taking on massive extra risk. It's not free money, it's high-risk return - the opposite, in fact, of what people think they are getting when they invest in 'safe as houses' property with a big mortgage.

    To be clear, I'm referring to property as an investment, not your main home, or a second home for your own use.
    If you are a 62% marginal tax-payer investing in to a pension soon to draw on it... now that's an attractive return for your investment and without taking any investment risk....
    If only it wasn't for the pesky lifetime allowance...
  • I see the Tottenham Hotspur stadium build is going as well as their last transfer window.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7006016/tottenham-secret-payment-fa-wembley-new-stadium-not-ready/

    I'd heard much the same.
    Spurs are such an embarrassment these days.

    Liverpool's refurb of Anfield opened on time.

    Look on the bright side, at least you're not Arsenal.
    I wouldn't say I'm embarrassed TBF...... if we get to the end of the transfer window without losing anyone then 'net', I think that's not been too bad at all...

    Quite enjoyed your result vs the spanners too..
    Yeah, spending £100 million and still looking like muppets was amusing.

    Though Jack Wilshere taking one in the nuts cheered me up no end yesterday.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited August 2018
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given over half the world's population are Catholic or Muslim those bodies are big enough to survive past scandals, though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    The Labour Party and the BBC and the NHS also are big enough and with strong enough brands to learn from their past scandals and move on

    Survival is not enough. One of my Irish cousins, a priest, now living in America says that the Irish Catholic church is utterly discredited. You may think that a good thing. It will survive I expect. But it means that it in the interim it is less able to do the good it can do.

    The NHS has not learnt as much as it might from past scandals about how to develop an effective whistleblowing culture.

    We should surely want something more than just mere survival.
    There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide, that would make it the third biggest country after China and India. Irish Catholics are just a tiny fraction of that and Pope Francis is gradually moving things on.

    In terms of the NHS it is fine having whistleblowers but they need to be confirmed to be true
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This is what happens when you wreck the final salary pension system:

    https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1028965888299548677

    It's also the consequence of handing one or two generations extraordinary capital gains from their primary residence.
    Is it? Despite popular belief, returns on property haven't been particularly exceptional compared with other investments, notably shares (depending obviously on exactly which time period you look at):

    https://www.woodruff-fp.co.uk/property-vs-investment-portfolios/

    When you factor in the liquidity risk, and sheer hassle, of directly-owned property, it hasn't been a very compelling investment over the last three decades.
    Ummmm. Let me know what your returns would have been on shares if you'd been allowed to leverage up nine times and collect the dividends tax free. Because that is UK property
    You couldn't collect rent tax-free (and now you can't even get tax relief on the mortgage).

    And yes, of course, if you borrow to buy an asset which subsequently rises in price, you do really well. But you are taking on massive extra risk. It's not free money, it's high-risk return - the opposite, in fact, of what people think they are getting when they invest in 'safe as houses' property with a big mortgage.

    To be clear, I'm referring to property as an investment, not your main home, or a second home for your own use.
    If you are a 62% marginal tax-payer investing in to a pension soon to draw on it... now that's an attractive return for your investment and without taking any investment risk....
    If only it wasn't for the pesky lifetime allowance...
    indeed...but being so IHT planning efficient (no gifting needed)

    for now...
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    Not worth it, your device is in extreme old age and the battery or processor will collapse about 48 hours after you get the new screen. Go for another ipad, as its what you know and decent android pads are thin on the ground.
  • Oh and this from yesterday too.

    https://twitter.com/NickyAllt/status/1028962911161647104

    Is the incident when Mark Noble and Jack Wilshire both took a blow to their knackers.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited August 2018
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Aren't you getting tax free imputed rent from the house you live in?

    Yes, effectively. That's one reason why I made the distinction between your own home and buy-to-let. For your main home, buy the best you can afford and don't worry about paying a bit over the odds if you find somewhere you really like (but don't over-borrow, and don't forget that refurbishment and maintenance always cost much more than you expect).
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    The best thing about the Fiona Onasanya trial is the name of her brother, getting a much-needed airing since about the first century AD.

    Festus.

    Former President of Botswana was Festus Mogae IIRC.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    Cyclefree said:

    RobD said:

    The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.

    The real Peter Hitchens? Welcome to PB, regardless.
    I dealt with this upthread.
    This is what I put.

    That is a fair point. He was never charged or tried. My point was that there have been allegations of cover ups by senior Anglican churchmen of allegations of abuse against other senior clergymen. Perhaps a better example might have been the Bishop of Gloucester who did accept a caution and about whom the Inquiry into Historic Child Abuse recently commented.
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given over half the world's population are Catholic or Muslim those bodies are big enough to survive past scandals, though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    The Labour Party and the BBC and the NHS also are big enough and with strong enough brands to learn from their past scandals and move on

    Survival is not enough. One of my Irish cousins, a priest, now living in America says that the Irish Catholic church is utterly discredited. You may think that a good thing. It will survive I expect. But it means that it in the interim it is less able to do the good it can do.

    The NHS has not learnt as much as it might from past scandals about how to develop an effective whistleblowing culture.

    We should surely want something more than just mere survival.
    There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide, that would make it the third biggest country after China and India. Irish Catholics are just a tiny fraction of that and Pope Francis is gradually moving things on.

    In terms of the NHS it is fine having whistleblowers but they need to be confirmed to be true
    A touch complacent I feel. There have been problems in the Catholic church all round the world and, as an ostensibly moral organisation, it should be aiming as high as possible.
  • rpjs said:

    The best thing about the Fiona Onasanya trial is the name of her brother, getting a much-needed airing since about the first century AD.

    Festus.

    Former President of Botswana was Festus Mogae IIRC.
    Festus is quite a popular name in Nigeria.

    I remember a Nigerian heritage friend talking about his Uncle Festus and me hearing 'Uncle Fester'
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2018
    PBers frothing at the mouth about "BBC bias" will be delighted to hear that "Corbynites" have apparently infested ITV too -- 15 minutes into their evening news and no mention of it yet. Though two negative stories for the government so far ("fury at the hike in rail fares" and "admission that there's no new money for their 'rough sleeping' strategy").
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Danny565 said:

    PBers frothing at the mouth about "BBC bias" will be delighted to hear that "Corbynites" have apparently infested ITV too -- 15 minutes into their evening news and no mention of it yet. Though two negative stories for the government so far ("fury at the hike in rail fares" and "admission that there's no new money for their 'rough sleeping' strategy").

    Now coming up.
  • ITV doing it now
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