O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
Making it the lead story? Too much.
Sky going over the top as well - but maybe I am just not interested in celebrities
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
Making it the lead story? Too much.
What, you want the Beeb to lead on Labour's reporting to the regulator of his spat with the media over the Jezziah's laying on of wreaths?
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
Buttler.
Response when it's not him: "I can't believe it's not Buttler....."
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
Making it the lead story? Too much.
What, you want the Beeb to lead on Labour's reporting to the regulator of his spat with the media over the Jezziah's laying on of wreaths?
I would be quite happy with some actual news.
Singer dying at the age of 76 of natural causes does not seem to be the most important thing going on in the world right now.
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
Buttler.
Ahh. The Vice Captain....
Perhaps a sign for Hammond if he's dropped
Reasoning is he's only scored 25 runs in the previous 3 innings, Pope can be the backup keeper; Rashid is useful to keep in as a spin option if India make it to Day 5 (Yes yes I know).
We should be begging the RoI to take NI off our hands. "No really, it would break our hearts to see a united Ireland, but tell you what, three packets of Jaffa Cakes and it's all yours".
It’s the DUP you need to bribe, and it will take more than three packets of Jaffa Cakes.
It's human nature. We get more agitated about losing something we value than gaining something we value less. NI Protestants losing the UK. Remainers losing the EU. Sindyref No voters losing the Union. BTW I suspect the anger in the event of a Sindyref2 Yes would be immense - it would make Brexit look like a tea party.
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
And there was me thinking you'd be spending the day with 'The Immaculate Collection' on repeat...
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
Cuts bite.
Come off it, it costs money to come up with garbage like that. It would be much cheaper to just report the news. (And don't get me started on the house style for the stories themselves, which seem to insist on a second paragraph quoting someone trashing whatever the first paragraph said).
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
Making it the lead story? Too much.
What, you want the Beeb to lead on Labour's reporting to the regulator of his spat with the media over the Jezziah's laying on of wreaths?
I would be quite happy with some actual news.
Singer dying at the age of 76 of natural causes does not seem to be the most important thing going on in the world right now.
It is a slow news day. Look at the other stories: the annual A-level results; two stories related to the bridge that collapsed two days ago; a rugby player got a small fine.
Against that, yes, the death of a superstar in the last few hours probably is the biggest news story. And Sky News, the Telegraph and Mail all agree.
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
Making it the lead story? Too much.
What, you want the Beeb to lead on Labour's reporting to the regulator of his spat with the media over the Jezziah's laying on of wreaths?
I would be quite happy with some actual news.
Singer dying at the age of 76 of natural causes does not seem to be the most important thing going on in the world right now.
It is a slow news day. Look at the other stories: the annual A-level results; two stories related to the bridge that collapsed two days ago; a rugby player got a small fine.
Against that, yes, the death of a superstar in the last few hours probably is the biggest news story. And Sky News, the Telegraph and Mail all agree.
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
Buttler.
Ahh. The Vice Captain....
Perhaps a sign for Hammond if he's dropped
Reasoning is he's only scored 25 runs in the previous 3 innings, Pope can be the backup keeper; Rashid is useful to keep in as a spin option if India make it to Day 5 (Yes yes I know).
So you would go for: Cooke, Jennings, Root, Pope, Bairstow, Stokes? Curran? Woakes? Rashid, Broad, Anderson
3 seamer / allrounders, 5 seamers, is that too many? No place for Moeen Ali, Jos Buttler, Jamie Porter,
I think they will play Buttler, leave Stokes out as he is in the process of reacclimatising himself to Cricket.
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
Making it the lead story? Too much.
She was a titan. RIP.
Agreed. Let's have a little less dis-R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn. Always wanted a more economically activist government. Although I never backed Corbyn as I think him a fraud on that front. Lots of empty and unexplained promises, no intellectual justification other than certainty in the inherent goodness of socialism. But that's unimportant. His behaviour on anti-Semitism is not the actions of a good man who should be allowed near office. You say you think this is nonsense? This is the same man who watched a Jewish MP abused and leave the launch of a report into anti-Semitism intears and went over to joke with her abuser. Who left the chamber while other Jewish MPs told the House of the sickening threats and abuse they'd suffered in his name. Who after all this hasn't been able to summon up the courage to personally apologise and explain his past associations with known anti-Semites if the worst kind (Eisen, Salah.) given the clear offence and fear they create among Jews, who entirely understandably worry his election will embolden those who spew bile on Facebook groups adorned with his name and whose moderators he personally knows, and that someone who couldn't see the problem with these views for 40 years will do little to stop them in office.
And then we have the wreath. It's been proven, with photographic evidence and his own words that he joined in with a commemoration of the masterminds probably the most notorious post-war attack on Jews. Even if you think he did so without malice, and thought he was just commemorating some general Palestinian martyrs, it's deeply offensive to the families of the athletes and at the very least those with family or friends in Israel. Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Obviously you know him personally, but does it not occur to you that personally pleasant people often do very bad things - especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
Buttler.
Ahh. The Vice Captain....
Perhaps a sign for Hammond if he's dropped
Reasoning is he's only scored 25 runs in the previous 3 innings, Pope can be the backup keeper; Rashid is useful to keep in as a spin option if India make it to Day 5 (Yes yes I know).
So you would go for: Cooke, Jennings, Root, Pope, Bairstow, Stokes? Curran? Woakes? Rashid, Broad, Anderson
3 seamer / allrounders, 5 seamers, is that too many? No place for Moeen Ali, Jos Buttler, Jamie Porter,
I think they will play Buttler, leave Stokes out as he is in the process of reacclimatising himself to Cricket.
Jamie Porter will have been called up three times and left out three times. Disheartening. The ECB has already ruined the career prospects of one young Essex quick with such treatmemnt.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
It’s Cavaliers and Roundheads all over again. I assume Cameron has the role of Charles i, in that his political career is OVER!!!
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
Lol, a liberal newspaper wants us to ruin our nation with continued EU membership. I'm sure they fully support Trudeau and Jacinda. Fuck that noise.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
It’s Cavaliers and Roundheads all over again. I assume Cameron has the role of Charles i, in that his political career is OVER!!!
Ms. Anazina/Mr. Felix, as a rule, perhaps not fair to judge people by their significant others. After all, Belisarius' wife is usually regarded poorly.
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
What's your favourite Madonna track Richard? For me, it's a toss up between Border Line and La Isla Bonita. You?
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
Cuts bite.
Nonsense - waste maybe - like the millions frittered away hounding Cliff Richard. Either way they have way more money than other news outlets.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
Who wants their silly trade deals anyway? Impertinence. Let's just invade them.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
Who wants their silly trade deals anyway? Impertinence. Let's just invade them.
Given that we're reclaiming parliamentary sovereignty can't we just repeal the acts granting them independence?
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
Who wants their silly trade deals anyway? Impertinence. Let's just invade them.
Yes because a newspaper editor has the power to stop a trade deal.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
What's your favourite Madonna track Richard? For me, it's a toss up between Border Line and La Isla Bonita. You?
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
What's your favourite Madonna track Richard? For me, it's a toss up between Border Line and La Isla Bonita. You?
I think this one:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyiYEdTp-U
I guess it's a bit Like a Prayer.
Though really, I'm surprised you didn't go for True Blue.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn. Always wanted a more economically activist government. Although I never backed Corbyn as I think him a fraud on that front. Lots of empty and unexplained promises, no intellectual justification other than certainty in the inherent goodness of socialism. But that's unimportant. His behaviour on anti-Semitism is not the actions of a good man who should be allowed near office. You say you think this is nonsense? This is the same man who watched a Jewish MP abused and leave the launch of a report into anti-Semitism intears and went over to joke with her abuser. Who left the chamber while other Jewish MPs told the House of the sickening threats and abuse they'd suffered in his name. Who after all this hasn't been able to summon up the courage to personally apologise and explain his past associations with known anti-Semites if the worst kind (Eisen, Salah.) given the clear offence and fear they create among Jews, who entirely understandably worry his election will embolden those who spew bile on Facebook groups adorned with his name and whose moderators he personally knows, and that someone who couldn't see the problem with these views for 40 years will do little to stop them in office.
SNIP ...Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Obviously you know him personally, but does it not occur to you that personally pleasant people often do very bad things - especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
They've announced some of the contestants for this year's Strictly.
Graeme Swann and Faye Tozer from Steps caught my attention. I suspect the latter will be the winner and Swann will be this year's Ed Balls/John Sergeant.
O/T. No disrespect to Aretha Franklin, her family and her fans - but I fail to see how her death really qualifies as being sufficiently newsworthy to be the lead story on the BBC website with a live thread dedicated to reaction.
Yes, she was a significant recording artist and performer. Yes, she broke barriers. But there are far more important things going on in the world.
A respectful story on the news website - appropriate.
It could easily have another 25 million. There are vast areas with no humans. Of course, they think it is crowded. Israel has 8m people now and it is mainly a desert. Of course, occupying other people's land has helped.
Funny how Scottish Nationalists so keen to point out he isn't one of theirs. They perhaps need to look at the SNP history of links to fascism and Nazi sympathisers. I am sure not all SNP members are bigots, but the clue is right there, in the name.
It could easily have another 25 million. There are vast areas with no humans. Of course, they think it is crowded. Israel has 8m people now and it is mainly a desert. Of course, occupying other people's land has helped.
It could easily have another 25 million. There are vast areas with no humans. Of course, they think it is crowded. Israel has 8m people now and it is mainly a desert. Of course, occupying other people's land has helped.
I think out of your last ten posts, ten have been how you don't like the Jews.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
I find @NickPalmer ....worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn. Always wanted a more economically activist government. Although I never backed Corbyn as I think him a fraud on that front. Lots of empty and unexplained promises, no intellectual justification other than certainty in the inherent goodness of socialism.... His behaviour on anti-Semitism is not the actions of a good man who should be allowed near office... This is the same man who watched a Jewish MP abused and leave the launch of a report into anti-Semitism intears and went over to joke with her abuser. Who left the chamber while other Jewish MPs told the House of the sickening threats and abuse they'd suffered in his name. Who after all this hasn't been able to summon up the courage to personally apologise and explain his past associations with known anti-Semites if the worst kind (Eisen, Salah.) given the clear offence and fear they create among Jews, who entirely understandably worry his election will embolden those who spew bile on Facebook groups adorned with his name and whose moderators he personally knows, and that someone who couldn't see the problem with these views for 40 years will do little to stop them in office.
And then we have the wreath. It's been proven, with photographic evidence and his own words that he joined in with a commemoration of the masterminds probably the most notorious post-war attack on Jews. Even if you think he did so without malice, and thought he was just commemorating some general Palestinian martyrs, it's deeply offensive to the families of the athletes and at the very least those with family or friends in Israel. Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Obviously you know him personally, but does it not occur to you that personally pleasant people often do very bad things - especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
Remain forecasts of doom were based on the risk that Brexit would happen in a meaningful sense. Two years on, that risk has been substantially mitigated.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn.
SNIP
Obviously you know him personally, but does it not occur to you that personally pleasant people often do very bad things - especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
Sadly it is. Unless your Labour candidate is an explicit opponent of Corbyn who would defy the whip then it is a moral imperative to vote in the most effective way to defeat Labour if Corbyn or a similar figure is still leader at the time of the next election.
It could easily have another 25 million. There are vast areas with no humans. Of course, they think it is crowded. Israel has 8m people now and it is mainly a desert. Of course, occupying other people's land has helped.
I think out of your last ten posts, ten have been how you don't like the Jews.
Which part do you not agree with ?
Australia could be inhabited by 25m people or Israel has occupied other people's land ?
It appears it is the latter. By the way, there is a UN resolution 242 passed unanimously.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
We have lost the European Medicines Agency and a large number of investment forms are making plans to move much of their busiess out of UK. Starter.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
You missed out that we have entered a recession in the Manufacturing sector. Both 1st and 2nd quarters had negative growth.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
Remain forecasts of doom were based on the risk that Brexit would happen in a meaningful sense. Two years on, that risk has been substantially mitigated.
just crap really
and ompanies dont invest on a one month time frmae they look several years ahead. So investment should have stopped now. But it hasnt.
It could easily have another 25 million. There are vast areas with no humans. Of course, they think it is crowded. Israel has 8m people now and it is mainly a desert. Of course, occupying other people's land has helped.
I think out of your last ten posts, ten have been how you don't like the Jews.
Which part do you not agree with ?
Australia could be inhabited by 25m people or Israel has occupied other people's land ?
It appears it is the latter. By the way, there is a UN resolution 242 passed unanimously.
No, it's the fact that you make a connection in every post about how awful Israel is, even when there is no connection. It's almost as though you want to spread hatred.
It's particularly stupid in this case, as Australia as a country exists because it occupied other people's land ...
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it agains that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
You missed out that we have entered a recession in the Manufacturing sector. Both 1st and 2nd quarters had negative growth.
first I could believe becasue of the weather, second will get revised upwards as it always does
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
Buttler.
Ahh. The Vice Captain....
Perhaps a sign for Hammond if he's dropped
Reasoning is he's only scored 25 runs in the previous 3 innings, Pope can be the backup keeper; Rashid is useful to keep in as a spin option if India make it to Day 5 (Yes yes I know).
If the pitch is produced in the same way , no need to have Rashid.
On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it agains that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
You missed out that we have entered a recession in the Manufacturing sector. Both 1st and 2nd quarters had negative growth.
first I could believe becasue of the weather, second will get revised upwards as it always does
Really ? Manufacturing output fell 0.9% in the 2nd quarter. It will be revised up by more than that ? Which planet are you on ? Sorry, I forgot. Brexitland.
Alanbrooke: "remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them. "
You obviously only read the Daily Telegraph if you think the "areas of pain" as you call them are not being spelled out (I assume "areas of pain" are the job losses that you think are worth it to reach your golden state of Utopia). So which form of self harm are you in favour of; minimal or big; Chequers or WTO? I assume neither will cause loss of your own job (assuming you are not retired?). Apparently many leavers are in favour of their own family members losing their jobs for the Great Cause, Amen.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it again and again. WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET! did you hear that? There is still a very important choice over whether we want a small amount of self-harm or a large amount in exchange for the benefits that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
Remain forecasts of doom were based on the risk that Brexit would happen in a meaningful sense. Two years on, that risk has been substantially mitigated.
just crap really
and ompanies dont invest on a one month time frmae they look several years ahead. So investment should have stopped now. But it hasnt.
Looking several years ahead, the base case for any rational outside observer is that Brexit will have burnt itself out by then.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it agains that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
You missed out that we have entered a recession in the Manufacturing sector. Both 1st and 2nd quarters had negative growth.
first I could believe becasue of the weather, second will get revised upwards as it always does
Really ? Manufacturing output fell 0.9% in the 2nd quarter. It will be revised up by more than that ? Which planet are you on ? Sorry, I forgot. Brexitland.
lol
if you follow GDP figures we get some startling revisions,
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it agains that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
You missed out that we have entered a recession in the Manufacturing sector. Both 1st and 2nd quarters had negative growth.
first I could believe becasue of the weather, second will get revised upwards as it always does
You really are deluded. It is official, Brexit is a religion and Mr Alanbrooke is a fully paid up disciple.
The pressing question is who will England leave out of the squad for Trent Bridge, and to stay on topic, how will it influence the choice of the next Conservative Party leader?
Buttler.
Ahh. The Vice Captain....
Perhaps a sign for Hammond if he's dropped
Reasoning is he's only scored 25 runs in the previous 3 innings, Pope can be the backup keeper; Rashid is useful to keep in as a spin option if India make it to Day 5 (Yes yes I know).
If the pitch is produced in the same way , no need to have Rashid.
Israel spins more than Rashid everyone should be furious.
On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
Yes, the media are all out to get you. Really. In the meantime, we know that flying the Saltire makes you a Unionist ...
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top be spelled out to you doesn't it agains that no leaver, swivel-eyed or not can actually articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
You missed out that we have entered a recession in the Manufacturing sector. Both 1st and 2nd quarters had negative growth.
first I could believe becasue of the weather, second will get revised upwards as it always does
You really are deluded. It is official, Brexit is a religion and Mr Alanbrooke is a fully paid up disciple.
I dont comment much on Brexit threads except when remainers publish unmitigated twaddle
Scaremongering and gloom fundamentally undermine every argument you have as you go way over the top
Chuka walking would transform politics in this country imho.
And the media will, after a brief honeymoon, start (at least some of the papers will) going after the stories that dissuaded him from running back in 2015.
Build them up, knock them down is the way certain outlets like to work.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
Remain forecasts of doom were based on the risk that Brexit would happen in a meaningful sense. Two years on, that risk has been substantially mitigated.
just crap really
and ompanies dont invest on a one month time frmae they look several years ahead. So investment should have stopped now. But it hasnt.
Looking several years ahead, the base case for any rational outside observer is that Brexit will have burnt itself out by then.
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
A load of whining parroting the same old tired lies about how Brexit will be a disaster without acknowledging that the assumptions underpinning that also said we should have a recession and mass unemployment now.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
quite
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
Oh dear, it really has top articulate.
remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
Remain forecasts of doom were based on the risk that Brexit would happen in a meaningful sense. Two years on, that risk has been substantially mitigated.
just crap really
and ompanies dont invest on a one month time frmae they look several years ahead. So investment should have stopped now. But it hasnt.
Looking several years ahead, the base case for any rational outside observer is that Brexit will have burnt itself out by then.
Have you ever taken an investment decision ?
Political risk is part of all investment decisions of the scale you're talking about. Brexit is merely a variable in the political risk equation. It's certainly not a law of physics.
Alanbrooke: "I dont comment much on Brexit threads except when remainers publish unmitigated twaddle
Scaremongering and gloom fundamentally undermine every argument you have as you go way over the top"
Fair enough, facts and economic probabilities are not strong enough to change the minds of The Faithful. however bad it gets it will all be the EU's fault. I hope you continue to enjoy the prayer meetings and the great leadership we are going to get from the "New Improved Establishment - Guaranteed to get Your Old Etonians Even More Right Wing Than Ever Before "
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They'll let you know, when it happens.
Singer dying at the age of 76 of natural causes does not seem to be the most important thing going on in the world right now.
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
Reasoning is he's only scored 25 runs in the previous 3 innings, Pope can be the backup keeper; Rashid is useful to keep in as a spin option if India make it to Day 5 (Yes yes I know).
Against that, yes, the death of a superstar in the last few hours probably is the biggest news story. And Sky News, the Telegraph and Mail all agree.
Cooke, Jennings, Root, Pope, Bairstow, Stokes? Curran? Woakes? Rashid, Broad, Anderson
3 seamer / allrounders, 5 seamers, is that too many? No place for Moeen Ali, Jos Buttler, Jamie Porter,
I think they will play Buttler, leave Stokes out as he is in the process of reacclimatising himself to Cricket.
Let's have a little less dis-R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
Edited extra bit: to correct myself, shade unfair on the latter as that was covered online (but not in broadcast news).
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-britains-friends-have-a-duty-to-intervene-on-brexit/
“Friends don’t let friends drive drunk,” as the saying goes, and for similar reasons we call upon our respective governments to weigh in officially on Brexit.
Canada and New Zealand are no longer semi-autonomous dominions of the British Empire, of course – a status that, ironically, would have given them more standing and more opportunity to express their concerns – but the deep and abiding historical ties that bind them to Britain nevertheless justify what might otherwise be an inappropriate intervention in the country’s sovereign domestic affairs.
The fact is that Britain stands at the precipice of disaster. Prime Minister Theresa May has no workable plan to withdraw from the European Union that would avoid calamity.
When are Remainers going to face up to reality and stop lying?
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn. Always wanted a more economically activist government. Although I never backed Corbyn as I think him a fraud on that front. Lots of empty and unexplained promises, no intellectual justification other than certainty in the inherent goodness of socialism. But that's unimportant. His behaviour on anti-Semitism is not the actions of a good man who should be allowed near office. You say you think this is nonsense? This is the same man who watched a Jewish MP abused and leave the launch of a report into anti-Semitism intears and went over to joke with her abuser. Who left the chamber while other Jewish MPs told the House of the sickening threats and abuse they'd suffered in his name. Who after all this hasn't been able to summon up the courage to personally apologise and explain his past associations with known anti-Semites if the worst kind (Eisen, Salah.) given the clear offence and fear they create among Jews, who entirely understandably worry his election will embolden those who spew bile on Facebook groups adorned with his name and whose moderators he personally knows, and that someone who couldn't see the problem with these views for 40 years will do little to stop them in office.
And then we have the wreath. It's been proven, with photographic evidence and his own words that he joined in with a commemoration of the masterminds probably the most notorious post-war attack on Jews. Even if you think he did so without malice, and thought he was just commemorating some general Palestinian martyrs, it's deeply offensive to the families of the athletes and at the very least those with family or friends in Israel. Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Obviously you know him personally, but does it not occur to you that personally pleasant people often do very bad things - especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Brexit could be worth discussion if the remainers could actually place realistic arguments about the implications instead of the armageddon nonsense that has been their mantra for the past three years. Instead they push discredited arguments which simply fall at the first fence. However we;re now at the pioint where theyve painted thmselves into a corner and dont know how to get out of it. Extreme Brexiteers share their dilemna.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/how-population-growth-is-changing-melbourne-and-sydney/news-story/31f680a3500b9aed828e85249a768444
but with less hair.
What's your favourite Madonna track Richard? For me, it's a toss up between Border Line and La Isla Bonita. You?
Still, at least one angry Unionist off the streets.
https://twitter.com/HeartScotNews/status/1030039126710648832
Look at me kids. I left school with only 2 'E's and now I'm the UK's leading anti-semite.
So don't despair if you didn't make the grades.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1030130376461754370
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-45207641
So evidently a proud Scot ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyiYEdTp-U
Though really, I'm surprised you didn't go for True Blue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDwb9jOVRtU
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI
I've been to so many Madonna gigs it is unreal.
They've announced some of the contestants for this year's Strictly.
Graeme Swann and Faye Tozer from Steps caught my attention. I suspect the latter will be the winner and Swann will be this year's Ed Balls/John Sergeant.
It could easily have another 25 million. There are vast areas with no humans. Of course, they think it is crowded. Israel has 8m people now and it is mainly a desert. Of course, occupying other people's land has helped.
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them.
Australia could be inhabited by 25m people or Israel has occupied other people's land ?
It appears it is the latter. By the way, there is a UN resolution 242 passed unanimously.
and ompanies dont invest on a one month time frmae they look several years ahead. So investment should have stopped now. But it hasnt.
It's particularly stupid in this case, as Australia as a country exists because it occupied other people's land ...
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1030115856360132608
"remains forecasts of doom were based on the vute not on the transition period. Two years on
the UK is still the top zone for overseas investors in Europe and thats with 6 months to go before we leave
we have record employment
real wages are rising
GDP last quarter grew faster than nearly eavery EU country
there are strawberries in the shops
so discredited doom mongering
there are of course valid points remain could make where we will take some pain, but nobodys making them. "
You obviously only read the Daily Telegraph if you think the "areas of pain" as you call them are not being spelled out (I assume "areas of pain" are the job losses that you think are worth it to reach your golden state of Utopia). So which form of self harm are you in favour of; minimal or big; Chequers or WTO? I assume neither will cause loss of your own job (assuming you are not retired?). Apparently many leavers are in favour of their own family members losing their jobs for the Great Cause, Amen.
(P.S. When are you going to work some Madonna puns into thread titles)
if you follow GDP figures we get some startling revisions,
These people will viciously attack anyone who disagrees with them and their leader.
The jews are the canaries in the coal mine.
We should all be very afraid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6un5dWfQ5ic
Scaremongering and gloom fundamentally undermine every argument you have as you go way over the top
Build them up, knock them down is the way certain outlets like to work.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44729727
As an 'Allo 'Allo fan I may also work in a reference to Van Klomp's finest painting.
Scaremongering and gloom fundamentally undermine every argument you have as you go way over the top"
Fair enough, facts and economic probabilities are not strong enough to change the minds of The Faithful. however bad it gets it will all be the EU's fault. I hope you continue to enjoy the prayer meetings and the great leadership we are going to get from the "New Improved Establishment - Guaranteed to get Your Old Etonians Even More Right Wing Than Ever Before "
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM