On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
Yes, the media are all out to get you. Really. In the meantime, we know that flying the Saltire makes you a Unionist ...
Ah, the PB 'we' who know things again. The internet is full of Unionists whining about being proud Scots who need to reclaim the Saltire from the nasty Nats. Otoh I've never seen an indy supporter claiming someone waving a Union flag somehow supports Yes. You'd have to be all kinds of a diddy to do that.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn. Always wanted a more economically activist government. Although I never backed Corbyn as I think him a fraud on that front. Lots of empty and unexplained promises, no intellectual justification other than certainty in the inherent goodness of socialism. But that's unimportant. His behaviour on anti-Semitism is not the actions of a good man who should be allowed near office. Who after all this hasn't been able to summon up the courage to personally apologise and explain his past associations with known anti-Semites if the worst kind (Eisen, Salah.) given the clear offence and fear they create among Jews, who entirely understandably worry his election will embolden those who spew bile on Facebook groups adorned with his name and whose moderators he personally knows, and that someone who couldn't see the problem with these views for 40 years will do little to stop them in office.
SNIP ...Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
I couldn't vote Conservative. They have their own, massive, issues that make the entirely unpalatable. A Tory Party in thrall to the Rees-Moggs of this world makes me just as sick to my stomach. Just fed up of people pretending Corbyn and what he's doing is in anyway within the traditions of decency let alone Labour tradition. It's appalling and needs to be called out as such - and those saying otherwise are, like US Republicans showing they are prepared to throw minorities under the bus to privilege their beliefs because the leader may be a liar and behaved appallingly, but damnit he's our liar.
On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
Yes, the media are all out to get you. Really. In the meantime, we know that flying the Saltire makes you a Unionist ...
Ah, the PB 'we' who know things again. The internet is full of Unionists whining about being proud Scots who need to reclaim the Saltire from the nasty Nats. Otoh I've never seen an indy supporter claiming someone waving a Union flag somehow supports Yes. You'd have to be all kinds of a diddy to do that.
Look, there are plenty of things to be said about that story. You chose to focus on 'unionist' when he was carrying the Saltire. Even you must find that funny!
Chuka walking would transform politics in this country imho.
And the media will, after a brief honeymoon, start (at least some of the papers will) going after the stories that dissuaded him from running back in 2015.
Build them up, knock them down is the way certain outlets like to work.
He was a house DJ in Manchester in the 1990s. Anyone who was young back in the day knows what went on. I doubt anyone much cares anymore.
I think people have got the Corbyn thing all wrong. It's clear that he wasn't laying a wreath to the Lockerbie bombers, but to those who died at the hands of Mossad.
You know, good hearted people like Adolf Eichmann, or Fathi Shaqaqi.
Vogue is a bit overrated IMO. Border Line probably gets the nod for the pure pop disco riff, it’s otherwise unremarkable but doesn’t need anything else.
if you follow GDP figures we get some startling revisions,
That is certainly true. I personally would delay GDP releases by about a month because the initial numbers are often wildly inaccurate. (Although one of my friends promises me the magnitude of revisions of government statistics is declining. He works for the IMF, mind, so you probably should take what he says with a pinch of salt.)
On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
Yes, the media are all out to get you. Really. In the meantime, we know that flying the Saltire makes you a Unionist ...
Ah, the PB 'we' who know things again. The internet is full of Unionists whining about being proud Scots who need to reclaim the Saltire from the nasty Nats. Otoh I've never seen an indy supporter claiming someone waving a Union flag somehow supports Yes. You'd have to be all kinds of a diddy to do that.
Look, there are plenty of things to be said about that story. You chose to focus on 'unionist' when he was carrying the Saltire. Even you must find that funny!
Pro tip, when you're floundering never start anything with 'Look' or else you'll be put on a par with mealy mouthed pols.
if you follow GDP figures we get some startling revisions,
That is certainly true. I personally would delay GDP releases by about a month because the initial numbers are often wildly inaccurate. (Although one of my friends promises me the magnitude of revisions of government statistics is declining. He works for the IMF, mind, so you probably should take what he says with a pinch of salt.)
On that note, I see Q2 was just revised up for the Eurozone from 0.3% to 0.4%.
Also, and this really annoys me, why doesn't the whole world standardise on either annualised (like the US) or non-annualised (like the UK and the Eurozone)?
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
if you follow GDP figures we get some startling revisions,
That is certainly true. I personally would delay GDP releases by about a month because the initial numbers are often wildly inaccurate. (Although one of my friends promises me the magnitude of revisions of government statistics is declining. He works for the IMF, mind, so you probably should take what he says with a pinch of salt.)
On that note, I see Q2 was just revised up for the Eurozone from 0.3% to 0.4%.
Also, and this really annoys me, why doesn't the whole world standardise on either annualised (like the US) or non-annualised (like the UK and the Eurozone)?
"Why doesn't the word standardise on X?" is surely a very common question, and the answer is 'Humanity'. We cannot even agree on plug sockets.
On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
Yes, the media are all out to get you. Really. In the meantime, we know that flying the Saltire makes you a Unionist ...
Ah, the PB 'we' who know things again. The internet is full of Unionists whining about being proud Scots who need to reclaim the Saltire from the nasty Nats. Otoh I've never seen an indy supporter claiming someone waving a Union flag somehow supports Yes. You'd have to be all kinds of a diddy to do that.
Look, there are plenty of things to be said about that story. You chose to focus on 'unionist' when he was carrying the Saltire. Even you must find that funny!
Pro tip, when you're floundering never start anything with 'Look' or else you'll be put on a par with mealy mouthed pols.
Pro tip: when you're floundering, change the topic by accusing others of 'floundering'.
As I said, there are plenty of things to be said about that story: as an example, how did he develop such hateful views, in what appears to have been a very sad and disrupted life? Asking questions about such people (of all stripes) might help us change the direction of others away from hatred and, at worst, such actions.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
If there were people of goodwill working hard to address antisemitism then he'd have a point.
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
Someone doesn't get what is going on within his own party.
There is no hard work going on at the top of the Labour party on the issue of antisemitism.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even..
SNIP ...Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
I couldn't vote Conservative. They have their own, massive, issues that make the entirely unpalatable. A Tory Party in thrall to the Rees-Moggs of this world makes me just as sick to my stomach. Just fed up of people pretending Corbyn and what he's doing is in anyway within the traditions of decency let alone Labour tradition. It's appalling and needs to be called out as such - and those saying otherwise are, like US Republicans showing they are prepared to throw minorities under the bus to privilege their beliefs because the leader may be a liar and behaved appallingly, but damnit he's our liar.
The actions of moderate labour MP's and moderate republicans in the US are similar. It is a begrudging form of submission. I've just finished Sean Spicers book. Essentially, he comes across as stumbling in to his support for Trump, because of loyalty to the party.
If Corbyn is as bad as you claim, then you have to ask yourself is the alternative really worse? I don't see how JRM or Boris would do more damage.
Chuka walking would transform politics in this country imho.
And the media will, after a brief honeymoon, start (at least some of the papers will) going after the stories that dissuaded him from running back in 2015.
Build them up, knock them down is the way certain outlets like to work.
I've always thought Chuka was the wrong person to lead a centre-left breakaway - too easily painted as a slick unmoored professional. However, he's definitely gone up in my estimation with his actions on Brexit and anti-Semitism. I know many on here will disagree with his views on the former, but there's a vast amount of liberal-left opinion that is underrepresented even in the debate thanks to Corbyn's tactical silence and seeming lack of understanding of the technical issues (one reason the government is in a real mess on Brexit is that they haven't had the countervailing force of a technically adept remain or soft-Brexit opposition to rake over the details long before they began to run out of time). When others have been cowed by the leadership, he's put his head above the parapet and done the right thing - no small thing given the state of the Labour Party.
Still think he may play Stella Creasy's John the Baptist though, and create the conditions for her to succeed while getting his head lopped off by the Corbynites himself.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even. I thought of myself as on the left of Labour before Corbyn. Always wanted a more economically activist government. Although I never backed Corbyn as I think him a fraud on that front. Lots of empty and unexplained promises, no intellectual justification other than certainty in the inherent goodness of socialism. But that's unimportant. His behaviour on anti-Semitism is not the actions of a good man who should be allowed near office. You say you think this is nonsense? This is the same man who watched a Jewish MP abused and leave the launch of a report into anti-Semitism intears and went over to joke with her abuser. Who left the chamber while other Jewish MPs told the House of the sickening threats and abuse they'd suffered in his name. Who after all this hasn't been able to summon up the courage to personally apologise and explain his past associations with known anti-Semites if the worst kind (Eisen, Salah.) given the clear offence and fear they create among Jews, who entirely understandably worry his election will embolden those who spew bile on Facebook groups adorned with his name and whose moderators he personally knows, and that someone who couldn't see the problem with these views for 40 years will do little to stop them in office.
SNIP ...Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Obviously you know him personally, but does it not occur to you that personally pleasant people often do very bad things - especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
Seems change is coming....but not the change BJO wants.
Does anyone know about Number Cruncher Politics ? I have not seen any poll where the age distribution of the weighted and unweighted sample was almost identical.
In geography, only the Midlands were oversampled [ no more than any other poll ] and the North undersampled.
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
If there were people of goodwill working hard to address antisemitism then he'd have a point.
To be fair it frequently feels as if anti semitism is addressed. Doesn't often feel as if it is done in a way to banish, eradicate or outlaw
On that basis I guess the several photos of him with a UF also make him a proud Brit. Interesting that media outlets want to show a far right SDL supporter who has regularly barracked Yes marches (& been arrested for attacking an indy marcher) with a Saltire.
Yes, the media are all out to get you. Really. In the meantime, we know that flying the Saltire makes you a Unionist ...
Ah, the PB 'we' who know things again. The internet is full of Unionists whining about being proud Scots who need to reclaim the Saltire from the nasty Nats. Otoh I've never seen an indy supporter claiming someone waving a Union flag somehow supports Yes. You'd have to be all kinds of a diddy to do that.
Look, there are plenty of things to be said about that story. You chose to focus on 'unionist' when he was carrying the Saltire. Even you must find that funny!
Pro tip, when you're floundering never start anything with 'Look' or else you'll be put on a par with mealy mouthed pols.
To be fair, 'Look' is not as much of a politician's tell as 'Let's be clear'.
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
If there were people of goodwill working hard to address antisemitism then he'd have a point.
Quite, but I wonder if this tweet from Mcdonnell is an indicator that some moderate Labour MPs have finally had enough after witnessing the behaviour of Corbyn and his team over the wreath laying scandal over the last week? Both the Morning Star & Len McLusky's interventions today also make for very unpleasant reading. As I posted in an earlier thread. With Parliament still in recess, there will be many Labour MPs thankful that they have not been asked to either defend or justify Corbyn's presence at that wreath laying ceremony. That the few Labour politicians who have been doing TV/Radio have struggled to defend or support his behaviour speaks volumes.
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even..
SNIP ...Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. The Labour press team are still pushing the idea that the terrorists weren't buried there when they know perfectly well people are referring to the planners not the physical perpetrators. On their logic Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson are merely a mild mannered wannabe cleric and an aspiring singer. It's Trumpian and terrifying in it's willingness to deceive and gaslight and deny Jews the right to be understandably upset about what is to many a deeply offensive gesture. We're at the point where you and many others within my party are prepared to throw a community under the bus because their complaints don't fit with what you'd like to believe about Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
I couldn't vote Conservative. They have their own, massive, issues that make the entirely unpalatable. A Tory Party in thrall to the Rees-Moggs of this world makes me just as sick to my stomach. Just fed up of people pretending Corbyn and what he's doing is in anyway within the traditions of decency let alone Labour tradition. It's appalling and needs to be called out as such - and those saying otherwise are, like US Republicans showing they are prepared to throw minorities under the bus to privilege their beliefs because the leader may be a liar and behaved appallingly, but damnit he's our liar.
The actions of moderate labour MP's and moderate republicans in the US are similar. It is a begrudging form of submission. I've just finished Sean Spicers book. Essentially, he comes across as stumbling in to his support for Trump, because of loyalty to the party.
If Corbyn is as bad as you claim, then you have to ask yourself is the alternative really worse? I don't see how JRM or Boris would do more damage.
Boris has his record as Mayor of London to point to. The most metroplitan population in the UK - one of the most in the world - didn't exactly descend to lynchings and repatriations on his watch.
Whilst JRM has, er, the record of Victorian England to point to. Great civic works undertaken by prolific philanthropy, whilst the Union Jack was respected by our friends/feared by our enemies around the globe.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
I've completely given up on the BBC News website, but I nipped over to see for myself how it is now. God, it's awful. Hideous to look at, largely comprising pointless small pictures of nothing significant, with a bizarre range of 'top' stories ("Madonna's Sixty Years").
I never expected to say this, but thank God for the Guardian website. At least it has some news, properly reported, even if the comment pieces are full of hate.
BBC front page still doesn't have any mention of the century floods in Southern India.
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
If there were people of goodwill working hard to address antisemitism then he'd have a point.
That tweet by McDonnell looks like absolute panic. Maybe moves are a foot
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
What do we think would happen to the LibDems' fortunes if Chuka Umunna (with/without a bunch of colleagues) joined from Labour - and Vince immediately handed over to him as "acting" leader?
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
Should be a good test for IPSOS
Not holding my breath
Who regulates the BBC?
No serious commentator has challenged that the wreath was placed at the grave of the planner of the attack. Some loose wording in some articles might get a partial technical victory I suppose. Many people have a lot of hope invested in JC so it is difficult for them but I think many of his supporters will feel ashamed of themselves at some point in the future. The decent core of the LP needs to get him and McDonnell out now.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
Twitter John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
If there were people of goodwill working hard to address antisemitism then he'd have a point.
That tweet by McDonnell looks like absolute panic. Maybe moves are a foot
That is what I wondered in my previous post too. Is that Mcdonnell tweet an indication that some moderate Labour MPs have had enough, and could we now see MPs resigning the Labour Whip?
I couldn't vote Conservative. They have their own, massive, issues that make the entirely unpalatable. A Tory Party in thrall to the Rees-Moggs of this world makes me just as sick to my stomach. Just fed up of people pretending Corbyn and what he's doing is in anyway within the traditions of decency let alone Labour tradition. It's appalling and needs to be called out as such - and those saying otherwise are, like US Republicans showing they are prepared to throw minorities under the bus to privilege their beliefs because the leader may be a liar and behaved appallingly, but damnit he's our liar.
The actions of moderate labour MP's and moderate republicans in the US are similar. It is a begrudging form of submission. I've just finished Sean Spicers book. Essentially, he comes across as stumbling in to his support for Trump, because of loyalty to the party.
If Corbyn is as bad as you claim, then you have to ask yourself is the alternative really worse? I don't see how JRM or Boris would do more damage.
Boris has his record as Mayor of London to point to. The most metroplitan population in the UK - one of the most in the world - didn't exactly descend to lynchings and repatriations on his watch.
Whilst JRM has, er, the record of Victorian England to point to. Great civic works undertaken by prolific philanthropy, whilst the Union Jack was respected by our friends/feared by our enemies around the globe.
Our Victorian ancestors (well the rich ones) could afford to be enormously philanthropic as (a) their taxes and the wages they paid their workers were low, and (b) the UK share of World GDP was incredible (greater than the US and China combined in the modern World). If JRM or anyone had a credible plan for economic growth to get us all richer and able to afford more good works for society, I'm all ears - but I'll be a tad sceptical.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
What do we think would happen to the LibDems' fortunes if Chuka Umunna (with/without a bunch of colleagues) joined from Labour - and Vince immediately handed over to him as "acting" leader?
It will show that the Liberal Democrats were not a democratic party ? I did not know that the Leader could just "give" the leadership to someone else.
The problem with a Chuka led centre party would be that it would just serve a subset of metropolitan, elite opinion. It would split the vote in metropolitan areas.
La Isla Bonita and Like a Prayer absolutely no question about it.
Both, played at full blast, have kept me awake in the car in the very early hours hundreds of times - at one point I was definitely in love with Madonna on account of those songs.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
What do we think would happen to the LibDems' fortunes if Chuka Umunna (with/without a bunch of colleagues) joined from Labour - and Vince immediately handed over to him as "acting" leader?
Leaving aside that I can't see why he would do that since all these 'new party needed' types seem to be very averse to contemplating joining an established other party, I would think there would be quite a bit of disquiet from the LD members, since who knows what direction this new leader who until 5 minutes ago belonged to a different party would like to take the party.
I presume if Chuka did cross the floor, and took at least a few others with him, the LDs should see a modest polling boost - the first prominent person doing so I would think could reasonably act as a catalyst for some others, as they finally decide Labour is not going to come back to what they want if actual MPs are jumping ship despite leading in the polls, but it would be limited.
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
Should be a good test for IPSOS
Not holding my breath
Who regulates the BBC?
No serious commentator has challenged that the wreath was placed at the grave of the planner of the attack. Some loose wording in some articles might get a partial technical victory I suppose. Many people have a lot of hope invested in JC so it is difficult for them but I think many of his supporters will feel ashamed of themselves at some point in the future. The decent core of the LP needs to get him and McDonnell out now.
I find @NickPalmer airly worrying, shameful even..
SNIP ...Instead of apologising, like a decent human being, he has used the Labour Party apparatus to try and gaslight everyone. Spewing out so many lies It's impossible to keep up. We're at the point bout Jeremy and yourselves, to the point where you'll deny reality itself. It's not about politics - decent people have to speak out.
Especially when they are zealous, intransigent and utterly devoted to their beliefs and unable to admit any error? Something that perfectly describes Corbyn.
Even for a left/liberal, the case for voting conservative is very strong.
I couldn't vote Conservative. They have their own, massive, issues that make the entirely unpalatable. A Tory Party in thrall to the Rees-Moggs of this world makes me just as sick to my stomach. Just fed up of people pretending Corbyn and what he's doing is in anyway within the traditions of decency let alone Labour tradition. It's appalling and needs to be called out as such - and those saying otherwise are, like US Republicans showing they are prepared to throw minorities under the bus to privilege their beliefs because the leader may be a liar and behaved appallingly, but damnit he's our liar.
The actions of moderate labour MP's and moderate republicans in the US are similar. It is a begrudging form of submission. I've just finished Sean Spicers book. Essentially, he comes across as stumbling in to his support for Trump, because of loyalty to the party.
If Corbyn is as bad as you claim, then you have to ask yourself is the alternative really worse? I don't see how JRM or Boris would do more damage.
I think It's slightly different in that Labour MPs are far more limited in their options than elected US Republicans - who have their own personal fundraising networks and could run in their state on an anti-Trump ticket, obviously depending on the state. Plus they could, if they wanted to remove Trump tomorrow given the obvious evidence of obstruction of justice etc. Labour MPs problem is not a lack of will but opportinity. There's no legal means to oust Corbyn, a new challenge would probably leave them even weaker after he won and the soft left careerists stuck behind him. A new party or Independent Labour is the only real option - but you can't do that in a day, it has to be put in place. Some are agitating for this but again, It's not something you shout about in public until you're ready to pull the trigger. It would, in effect, mean burning down Labour to save it.
As for Boris or JRM - a Bannonite party would have the same terrible problems as Corbyn but directed at different people - and probably worse given the nature of some of their cranks.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
La Isla Bonita and Like a Prayer absolutely no question about it.
Both, played at full blast, have kept me awake in the car in the very early hours hundreds of times - at one point I was definitely in love with Madonna on account of those songs.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
All I held dear and could rely on in life...all gone...
What do we think would happen to the LibDems' fortunes if Chuka Umunna (with/without a bunch of colleagues) joined from Labour - and Vince immediately handed over to him as "acting" leader?
Leaving aside that I can't see why he would do that since all these 'new party needed' types seem to be very averse to contemplating joining an established other party, I would think there would be quite a bit of disquiet from the LD members, since who knows what direction this new leader who until 5 minutes ago belonged to a different party would like to take the party.
I presume if Chuka did cross the floor, and took at least a few others with him, the LDs should see a modest polling boost - the first prominent person doing so I would think could reasonably act as a catalyst for some others, as they finally decide Labour is not going to come back to what they want if actual MPs are jumping ship despite leading in the polls, but it would be limited.
Serious question. Has Chuka ever done anything ? Has he ever held any post ? All I seem to remember was that he was running for the leadership and ran away when the press got after him, I can't remember why.
La Isla Bonita and Like a Prayer absolutely no question about it.
Both, played at full blast, have kept me awake in the car in the very early hours hundreds of times - at one point I was definitely in love with Madonna on account of those songs.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
Yes it was my fellow conservative Hyfud, bless him
Btw today I joined Shaun Bailey's mayoral campaign and also notice with satisfaction that since I last mentioned it his price has dropped from 14s to 11/2.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
All I held dear and could rely on in life...all gone...
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
You are a credit to whichever party you support, Big G.
A new party or Independent Labour is the only real option - but you can't do that in a day, it has to be put in place. Some are agitating for this but again, It's not something you shout about in public until you're ready to pull the trigger. It would, in effect, mean burning down Labour to save it.
Particularly while the party is doing fine in the polls (ok, oppositions have been even further ahead, but it is clearly not awful) there does not seem to be any one or any group of people who have the strength and determination to take such a huge risk or the ability to see it through.
I wish people would stop leaking stories about a new party - lots of people in Westminster and political wonks online like the idea, but the obstacles to people trying it in any significant way are clearly insurmountable and it is just getting tedious. We are stuck with Labour and the Tories until such time as one or the other splits - Labour are not going to as they would have already if they were. The Tories possibly could over Brexit, but it doesn't seem the most likely outcome by any means, far from it despite the vitriol the sides spit at each other.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
The Labour party has formally complained to the press regulator Ipso about the coverage by several British newspapers of Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to lay a wreath at a cemetery in Tunisia.
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
Should be a good test for IPSOS
Not holding my breath
Who regulates the BBC?
No serious commentator has challenged that the wreath was placed at the grave of the planner of the attack. Some loose wording in some articles might get a partial technical victory I suppose. Many people have a lot of hope invested in JC so it is difficult for them but I think many of his supporters will feel ashamed of themselves at some point in the future. The decent core of the LP needs to get him and McDonnell out now.
Are you a Lab voter?
Or can i pick JRM
Normally I vote Labour and I used to be in the party. I am certainly not a Tory by tradition or inclination. I was a marxist in my youth but I've changed my views. Faced with a LP led by the Corbynites (for want of better term) I would have to vote to defeat them. If the tories are led by JRM I might need a loaded revolver and a bottle of whisky but would probably vote LD or spoil my paper regardless of consequences.
She apparently called him an anti-semite to his face just weeks ago. So even his sternest critic (very few before they alleged Corbyn was personally anti-semitic) is rolling things back, even though it looks like an attack. It's another of the 'warning shots' Labour MPs fire off occasionally to reassure themselves they are doing everything they can.
What do we think would happen to the LibDems' fortunes if Chuka Umunna (with/without a bunch of colleagues) joined from Labour - and Vince immediately handed over to him as "acting" leader?
Leaving aside that I can't see why he would do that since all these 'new party needed' types seem to be very averse to contemplating joining an established other party, I would think there would be quite a bit of disquiet from the LD members, since who knows what direction this new leader who until 5 minutes ago belonged to a different party would like to take the party.
I presume if Chuka did cross the floor, and took at least a few others with him, the LDs should see a modest polling boost - the first prominent person doing so I would think could reasonably act as a catalyst for some others, as they finally decide Labour is not going to come back to what they want if actual MPs are jumping ship despite leading in the polls, but it would be limited.
It is odd the way that people assume the LD's are a meaningless entity. They are a broad church with numerous factions. They were far from unaminous over supporting Remain and there was a liberal leave campaign. In fact, their problem could be summarised as that they represent such a wide range of opinion, yet have very little influence in parliament and often rely on local issues to get elected. I would say that it is almost impossible that they would unite behind Chuka. What is more likely is that the party splits, and some of them join the new centre party, or there is a loose agreement that ultimately leads to a new party being formed, with some dissenters (in much the same way as the LD's were formed by the merger of the SDP and the liberals, and there is still a residual 'liberal' party).
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
You are a credit to whichever party you support, Big G.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
Your welcome. Can Stephen join too
How sad it is BJO that you spent your 10,000th post defending your party leader from charges of anti-Semitism.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
Not a man I agree with a lot, but an honourable man, who did a difficult job in trying (for him) circumstances in the 80’s. A man who stood up to the headbangers. A man who wouldn’t have kept me awake at night as PM because for all his (in my view) faults, at least I’d have felt he was 100% on my side when the chips were down.
The loons in charge of Labour now are not fit to clean his boots. What the hell have you become other than a dangerous sounding cult?
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
Your welcome. Can Stephen join too
How sad it is BJO that you spent your 10,000th post defending your party leader from charges of anti-Semitism.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
Like my 21 years as a member don't mean anything.
A cry many Labour MPs have had to make in the past few years. Nowadays commitment on Twitter to the latest line of the leader is the only true test of party credentials - what are parties if not vehicles for the changing whims of their figurehead?
Ken Clarke isn't a Tory either, he's just be an MP for them for 48 years.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
Your welcome. Can Stephen join too
How sad it is BJO that you spent your 10,000th post defending your party leader from charges of anti-Semitism.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
He keeps on telling me I'm not a Tory.
Like my 21 years as a member don't mean anything.
He doesn't mean it - he just gets a bit over the top in reading the polls but means well
What do we think would happen to the LibDems' fortunes if Chuka Umunna (with/without a bunch of colleagues) joined from Labour - and Vince immediately handed over to him as "acting" leader?
Leaving aside that I can't see why he would do that since all these 'new party needed' types seem to be very averse to contemplating joining an established other party, I would think there would be quite a bit of disquiet from the LD members, since who knows what direction this new leader who until 5 minutes ago belonged to a different party would like to take the party.
I presume if Chuka did cross the floor, and took at least a few others with him, the LDs should see a modest polling boost - the first prominent person doing so I would think could reasonably act as a catalyst for some others, as they finally decide Labour is not going to come back to what they want if actual MPs are jumping ship despite leading in the polls, but it would be limited.
It is odd the way that people assume the LD's are a meaningless entity. They are a broad church with numerous factions. They were far from unaminous over supporting Remain and there was a liberal leave campaign.
Indeed there was, we've even heard from a few on here of course, but people don't really hear much about the other factions. It is kind of sad for them that people act as though a new party must be required, even when that new party when described sounds pretty close to the mainstream LD positions on occasion. Though I do understand if LDs might be worried about being taken over by ex-Labour figures. Same reason any new party would fail though - people would look at the balance of the leading figures and declare it a LD/Lab/Tory front.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
You are a credit to whichever party you support, Big G.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
He was quite recently criticised by someone who shall go unnamed for not being sufficiently Tory enough as a result of the Blair years.
He keeps on telling me I'm not a Tory.
Like my 21 years as a member don't mean anything.
You still a member of the Islamophobic party?
A response to that is just not worth it but come on BJO you are better than that
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
You are a credit to whichever party you support, Big G.
I voted for Maggie back in the day
Evening Malc - good to see you are a latent conservative and best wishes to you
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
Your welcome. Can Stephen join too
How sad it is BJO that you spent your 10,000th post defending your party leader from charges of anti-Semitism.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
You are a credit to whichever party you support, Big G.
I voted for Maggie back in the day
Too much Macallan since then has evidently taken its toll.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
A classic exchange showing why taking even genuinely-meant advice (I know Big G doesn't do wind-ups) from another party is not always helpful. I think Ken Clarke would (still!) be a much better Tory leader, but I wouldn't actually, er, vote Tory if he were.
Nick - it was one of those moments that provided genuine relief that labour would not be taken over by militant and that led to the Blair years which apart from Iraq were in the main successful. Even I voted Blair twice
WHAAAAAAAT?
BIG G????
I hope that it demonstrates I do have an open mind on politics but not when it comes to Corbyn
You are a credit to whichever party you support, Big G.
I voted for Maggie back in the day
You're doing it wrong - you're supposed to vote for the Tories as you get older (and 'wiser'), not the other way around.
A new party or Independent Labour is the only real option - but you can't do that in a day, it has to be put in place. Some are agitating for this but again, It's not something you shout about in public until you're ready to pull the trigger. It would, in effect, mean burning down Labour to save it.
Particularly while the party is doing fine in the polls (ok, oppositions have been even further ahead, but it is clearly not awful) there does not seem to be any one or any group of people who have the strength and determination to take such a huge risk or the ability to see it through.
I wish people would stop leaking stories about a new party - lots of people in Westminster and political wonks online like the idea, but the obstacles to people trying it in any significant way are clearly insurmountable and it is just getting tedious. We are stuck with Labour and the Tories until such time as one or the other splits - Labour are not going to as they would have already if they were. The Tories possibly could over Brexit, but it doesn't seem the most likely outcome by any means, far from it despite the vitriol the sides spit at each other.
Hmmm...I disagree. There's certainly some movement on the Labour side. More out of despair than anything. For certain MPs the idea of making a go of something, anything, is getting more attractive than waiting for the whitewalkers to arrive. The key problem with a new party is that to be even half successful - e.g. form a reasonably sized parliamentary bloc that could hold the balance of power, it needs a movement. The most important development on that front is probably the People's Vote and Open Britain. They may be doomed in their immediate aims but that's an awful lot of contacts to draw upon for a movement that shares their politics. Not saying It's likely by any means - but more so certainly than a year ago. Especially as after Brexit one tie that binds the liberal left to Labour is gone. Especially if Corbyn is seen as complicit in a total mess.
Len McCluskey is the last straw surely for any Labour MP with even a scintilla of decency?
"petulant trolling" - his words about Jewish complaints.
For the love of God, moderates need to resign the whip and stop a Labour government under these people.
I think you are right. People who feel strongly should resign and leave the party.
You Gov poll on Corbyn and the wreath controversy not good as his personal ratings fall
I see no way the UK would elect someone with these ratings to be PM
As you know, if you have followed my posts in the past, I had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn in the last 3 years and did not in either. In the first one, I voted for Cooper with #2 going to Burnham. In 2017, I did not vote at all because I could not vote for Owen Smith who I had not even heard about until he became a candidate.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
Well we absolutely agree on Mourinho. He is a lost cause.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
Did you ever vote for Kinnock?
No of course not but it was an epic moment
2 time loser, windbag who thinks he is able to give advice on winning an election
You forgot to say he should join the tories !!!!!!
Your welcome. Can Stephen join too
How sad it is BJO that you spent your 10,000th post defending your party leader from charges of anti-Semitism.
Did I?
It should really have been EICIPM!!!
Ed - the best PM we never had. Still time for him.
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The internet is full of Unionists whining about being proud Scots who need to reclaim the Saltire from the nasty Nats. Otoh I've never seen an indy supporter claiming someone waving a Union flag somehow supports Yes. You'd have to be all kinds of a diddy to do that.
https://capx.co/what-do-people-really-think-about-big-political-stories/
@rottenborough Why do you think Chuka leaving would transform politics in this country?
You know, good hearted people like Adolf Eichmann, or Fathi Shaqaqi.
Otherwise it will be too easy to spin as the act of a petulant loser.
Vogue is a bit overrated IMO. Border Line probably gets the nod for the pure pop disco riff, it’s otherwise unremarkable but doesn’t need anything else.
While she’s ok, Aretha Franklin is, I’m afraid to say, O.V.E.R.R.A.T.E.D. But rest in peace anyway.
Also, and this really annoys me, why doesn't the whole world standardise on either annualised (like the US) or non-annualised (like the UK and the Eurozone)?
John McDonnell MP@johnmcdonnellMP
For anybody to use the issue of antisemitism as a cover for launching a new political party they had been planning for nearly two years would rightly be seen as an act of appalling cynicism, basely exploiting a genuine concern that people of goodwill are working hard to address.
As I said, there are plenty of things to be said about that story: as an example, how did he develop such hateful views, in what appears to have been a very sad and disrupted life? Asking questions about such people (of all stripes) might help us change the direction of others away from hatred and, at worst, such actions.
After his 40% in 2017, Corbyn is untouchable to about 60% of the membership today. Unless an incredibly awful result happens like 2015, I cannot see him going.
I hope he will be replaced by Thornberry.
Meanwhile, I would prefer Mourinho to go, whatever the cost!
(Or is that only the case for the Jewish Museum) ?
There is no hard work going on at the top of the Labour party on the issue of antisemitism.
There is denial, obfuscation and smearing.
If Corbyn is as bad as you claim, then you have to ask yourself is the alternative really worse? I don't see how JRM or Boris would do more damage.
Hmm - now who is not mentioned on this campaign leaflet ? Is it the magic Grandpa ?
Still think he may play Stella Creasy's John the Baptist though, and create the conditions for her to succeed while getting his head lopped off by the Corbynites himself.
In geography, only the Midlands were oversampled [ no more than any other poll ] and the North undersampled.
Luck ? or what ?
https://www.ncpolitics.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/voting-intention-2018-08-15.pdf
Doesn't often feel as if it is done in a way to banish, eradicate or outlaw
In its complaint, the party said the Sun, the Times, the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Express and Metro had misrepresented the event, which the Labour leader attended in 2014.
The press regulator has acknowledged the complaint and said it will consider taking the case further, raising the prospect that it could attempt to rule on the definitive chain of events surrounding Corbyn’s visit to the cemetery.
It is highly unusual for a senior politician to turn to the press regulator over negative media coverage.
The story resurfaced last Saturday when the Daily Mail ran a front page that featured pictures of Corbyn at the graveyard holding a wreath.
The story had previously been reported – Corbyn wrote about his trip at the time for the Morning Star newspaper – but the Daily Mail report featured pictures from the Facebook page of the Palestinian embassy in Tunisia.
Labour said subsequent reporting of the incident across the media had seriously misrepresented the event, misidentified those buried in the cemetery and underplayed the role of mainstream Palestinian leaders conducting the ceremony.
The complaint focuses on incidents where newspapers have specifically stated in news stories that the event was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre. Labour says there are no graves for such individuals and the event did not commemorate the Munich terrorists.
Whilst JRM has, er, the record of Victorian England to point to. Great civic works undertaken by prolific philanthropy, whilst the Union Jack was respected by our friends/feared by our enemies around the globe.
Also Corbyn is an absolute disaster for labour and the Country. Neil Kinnock ridding labour of militant tendency is one of those political moments etched into my memory. Where is today's Neil Kinnock
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/kerala-floods-live-updates-more-ndrf-teams-rushed-to-kerala-as-flood-situation-worsens/liveblog/65403405.cms?
Not holding my breath
Who regulates the BBC?
No serious commentator has challenged that the wreath was placed at the grave of the planner of the attack. Some loose wording in some articles might get a partial technical victory I suppose. Many people have a lot of hope invested in JC so it is difficult for them but I think many of his supporters will feel ashamed of themselves at some point in the future. The decent core of the LP needs to get him and McDonnell out now.
La Isla Bonita and Like a Prayer absolutely no question about it.
Both, played at full blast, have kept me awake in the car in the very early hours hundreds of times - at one point I was definitely in love with Madonna on account of those songs.
BIG G????
I presume if Chuka did cross the floor, and took at least a few others with him, the LDs should see a modest polling boost - the first prominent person doing so I would think could reasonably act as a catalyst for some others, as they finally decide Labour is not going to come back to what they want if actual MPs are jumping ship despite leading in the polls, but it would be limited.
Or can i pick JRM
As for Boris or JRM - a Bannonite party would have the same terrible problems as Corbyn but directed at different people - and probably worse given the nature of some of their cranks.
*buffs nails*
I wish people would stop leaking stories about a new party - lots of people in Westminster and political wonks online like the idea, but the obstacles to people trying it in any significant way are clearly insurmountable and it is just getting tedious. We are stuck with Labour and the Tories until such time as one or the other splits - Labour are not going to as they would have already if they were. The Tories possibly could over Brexit, but it doesn't seem the most likely outcome by any means, far from it despite the vitriol the sides spit at each other.
Like my 21 years as a member don't mean anything.
The loons in charge of Labour now are not fit to clean his boots. What the hell have you become other than a dangerous sounding cult?
It should really have been EICIPM!!!
Ken Clarke isn't a Tory either, he's just be an MP for them for 48 years.
That is the future for many