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  • tysontyson Posts: 5,553
    BTW...I think Verdasco is going to beat Murray...the last thing Murray needs tonight is a grinder....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894
    Roger said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Meanwhile Corbyn explains that NATO was formed in 1948 to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union forcing the poor lambs into forming that wonderful Warsaw Pact:



    I am not sure that stupid really does him justice. It's much more fundamental than that.

    I like the idealism. He's not a great speaker but I admire his inner hippy. I can see his appeal the young. It's refreshing that someone's still making those arguments
    It’s as if he (and you) are unaware of the gulags, the repressions, the way dissidents were locked up in mental hospitals, the genocide perpetrated on the Ukrainian people, the 1953 uprising by East Germany, the show trials in the Warsaw pact countries, the killings and forced suicides, the Berlin Wall, the shooting of those who wanted to escape their prison, the 1956 Hungarian uprising, the multiple Polish rebellions, the 1968 uprising in Czechoslovakia and so on and so forth. It’s as if he’s wholly unaware of - or ignores - the reality of life in the Soviet Union in the years before 1948 and its deliberate undermining of any attempt to create a normal democratic society in the countries liberated from Nazism. Those countries exchanged one brutal totalitarian regime for another. Their liberation did not come until 1989.

    There is nothing idealistic about defending the vile regime which was the Soviet Union.
    We're talking then about a time after 1948 when lynchings were a routine part of American life. Where blacks and whites couldn't travel on the same bus or go to the same schools....where genocides in Rwanda and the Congo weren't even stopped. Where wars of unimaginable brutality between Iraq and Iran killed hundreds of thousands. Where apartheid in South Africa and Rhodesia continued unchecked. Where American/UK policy created a bloodbath in Iraq and Libya. Where the war in Syria had more in common with the brutalities of the first world war than anything that happened in Eastern Europe post '48.....

    The picture painted by Corbyn rings rather more true than your rather partial anglocentric view of recent history.
    just nonsense

    try reading Freakonomics for some fun views on the KKK
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 3,772
    tyson said:

    when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....

    Well that stuff is heavily misrepresented in popular science
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 13,039
    Benfica now 2-1 up and ahead on away goals. That would see Liverpool in Pot 3 tomorrow.
  • Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Meanwhile Corbyn explains that NATO was formed in 1948 to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union forcing the poor lambs into forming that wonderful Warsaw Pact:



    I am not sure that stupid really does him justice. It's much more fundamental than that.

    I like the idealism. He's not a great speaker but I admire his inner hippy. I can see his appeal the young. It's refreshing that someone's still making those arguments
    It's refreshing that someone is still making Cold War extremist rhetoric?

    The rest of us have moved on thanks.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 25,443

    tyson said:

    when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....

    Well that stuff is heavily misrepresented in popular science
    Carlo rovelli's books are highly recommended. There's a high level intro one for the lay reader and a more technical one, which attempts (and mostly succeeds) in describing all this accessibly. Although a certain suspension of belief is helpful nevertheless.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 6,357
    Evening all :)

    I see David Lidington is now trying to play being "nasty cop":

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45344203

    On here earlier I was told by the May apologists that Chequers was an opening gambit, a masterstroke aimed at kick starting negotiations.

    It appears in fact it's the only game in town and Lidington's line is "our deal or no deal".

    This pointless brinkmanship isn't going to get anyone anywhere - the Government line is becoming clear. When Chequers is formally rejected by the EU the Government will spend months blaming "Europe" and if there are some problems on or after 29/3/19, the Conservatives will wrap themselves in the Union Jack, blame the "perfidious Europeans" and dodge all aspects of accountability.

    They do say you can fool all of the people some of the time - election next spring ?
  • .
    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    It has been said of quantum mechanics that if you are not confused by it then you do not really understand it.
    More seriously if you can get your head round the mathematics then it really is elegantly simple; it’s only when you try to translate that into more every day language that it becomes confusing. Imagine trying to explain, in words, the tune of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894
    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millenialism.
    Die Linke is not just the old DDR communists, It is a merger of the PDS (commies ) and the corbynite wing of the SPD which split off under Oskar Lafontaine. They merged so they could stand on a cross german platform and get over the 5% hurdle for seats in the Bundestag.
  • tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millenialism.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    This is my most worn hoodie.

    image

  • So it seems to be the consensus that Conservatives barring people who want to join so as to influence the party is fair enough. Where does that leave Centrists who join or rejoin Labour to stop it becoming the SWP?

    People close to the Tories wanting to join to influence is reasonable.
    Active supporters of another party wanting to hijack is not.

    The comparison isn't centrists who were formerly Labour, the comparison would be if the Lib Dems were to try and do a reverse takeover of Labour.
    I accept the point on Arron Banks, but wouldn't you think a lot of people have gone Tory>UKIP>Tory over the last decade? UKIP went from 3% to 12% to 1% between 2010 and 2017, you'd have thought the Tories wanted those people back when Labour's membership is through the roof.

    In any case, their goal seems to be to get ex Tory mayor of London and perennial favourite for the job Boris Johnson in as leader, hardly an outsider to the Con Club
    I think normal Tory->UKIP->Tory people are more than welcome back. From this site there are people that have made or partially made that journey. I think for instance Sean_F has gone from Tory->UKIP->not in any party. If he were to want to rejoin the Tories I think he'd be welcome.

    People like Arron Banks aren't serious about being Tories though. They are extremist infiltrators and it is the likes of them that should be prevented.
  • He'll be joining the Scottish Tories soon.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,495
    tlg86 said:

    Benfica now 2-1 up and ahead on away goals. That would see Liverpool in Pot 3 tomorrow.

    PAOK are choking. .
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 2,090
    edited August 2018

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millenialism.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    This is my most worn hoodie.

    image

    :smiley:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 33,305

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millenialism.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    This is my most worn hoodie.

    image

    :smiley:
    I suppose you ask the ladies if they'd like to collide with it?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894
    edited August 2018
    and this at a time when PB has run out of nats

    bring back James |kelly
  • FishingFishing Posts: 670
    On topic, who the f thinks Corbyn is doing well? He hardly ever lands a punch against a pretty unloved government struggling with delivering an almost impossible task. I can understand people voting Labour if they hate the current government, or its ideology, but I really can't understand why they would think Corbyn would make a good PM unless they are:

    - so immersed with the WEST EQUALS EVIL ideology that they can forgive him anything;
    - themselves anti-Semitic and respond to his (unintentional?) dog whistles;
    - IRA sympathisers;
    - so tribally Labour that they'd back a donkey in his position; or
    - really voting for John McConnell.

    Maybe those add up to 20% of the electorate?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 18,227

    He'll be joining the Scottish Tories soon.
    We all know you can pretty much do anything before Ruth would ask you to resign. Perhaps Boris should consider becoming a SCon councillor.
  • tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millenialism.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    This is my most worn hoodie.

    image

    :smiley:
    I suppose you ask the ladies if they'd like to collide with it?
    Most hadrons are highly unstable, with lifetimes of less than 10^-23 s...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,468

    .

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    It has been said of quantum mechanics that if you are not confused by it then you do not really understand it.
    More seriously if you can get your head round the mathematics then it really is elegantly simple; it’s only when you try to translate that into more every day language that it becomes confusing. Imagine trying to explain, in words, the tune of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
    Back in the day, I used to proof read our scientists' PhD theses. My favourite Laugh-out-loud moment was when I'd meticulously examined 2 or 3 pages of mathematics (I'm not a mathematician) and turned over a page to find the words "Obviously, therefore ...."

    Good evening, everyone.
  • tysontyson Posts: 5,553

    So it seems to be the consensus that Conservatives barring people who want to join so as to influence the party is fair enough. Where does that leave Centrists who join or rejoin Labour to stop it becoming the SWP?

    People close to the Tories wanting to join to influence is reasonable.
    Active supporters of another party wanting to hijack is not.

    The comparison isn't centrists who were formerly Labour, the comparison would be if the Lib Dems were to try and do a reverse takeover of Labour.
    I accept the point on Arron Banks, but wouldn't you think a lot of people have gone Tory>UKIP>Tory over the last decade? UKIP went from 3% to 12% to 1% between 2010 and 2017, you'd have thought the Tories wanted those people back when Labour's membership is through the roof.

    In any case, their goal seems to be to get ex Tory mayor of London and perennial favourite for the job Boris Johnson in as leader, hardly an outsider to the Con Club
    I think normal Tory->UKIP->Tory people are more than welcome back. From this site there are people that have made or partially made that journey. I think for instance Sean_F has gone from Tory->UKIP->not in any party. If he were to want to rejoin the Tories I think he'd be welcome.

    People like Arron Banks aren't serious about being Tories though. They are extremist infiltrators and it is the likes of them that should be prevented.
    Well...we (I) had to put up with the takeover of our party by the lefty loons, now it's your turn by the righty loons....at least this time you are much more sensible than allowing a 3 quid a throw looner....

    No matter how low the Tory party goes, you will never be led by anyone quite as clueless and useless as Edstone.......

    The Tory party have so much to be thankful for for the services of Ed fuckwit Miliband....the man who by his own uselessness destroyed a great political party...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2018
    "Remain Tories ‘are bonkers’ for fearing Ukip infiltration
    Pro-EU MPs targeted by Brexit activists"
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tories-fear-infiltration-by-ukip-members-93t03wkf6
  • AnneJGP said:

    .

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    It has been said of quantum mechanics that if you are not confused by it then you do not really understand it.
    More seriously if you can get your head round the mathematics then it really is elegantly simple; it’s only when you try to translate that into more every day language that it becomes confusing. Imagine trying to explain, in words, the tune of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
    Back in the day, I used to proof read our scientists' PhD theses. My favourite Laugh-out-loud moment was when I'd meticulously examined 2 or 3 pages of mathematics (I'm not a mathematician) and turned over a page to find the words "Obviously, therefore ...."

    Good evening, everyone.
    Proof by intimidation?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2018

    So it seems to be the consensus that Conservatives barring people who want to join so as to influence the party is fair enough. Where does that leave Centrists who join or rejoin Labour to stop it becoming the SWP?

    People close to the Tories wanting to join to influence is reasonable.
    Active supporters of another party wanting to hijack is not.

    The comparison isn't centrists who were formerly Labour, the comparison would be if the Lib Dems were to try and do a reverse takeover of Labour.
    How exactly does one determine whether someone is a "genuine supporter"?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036
    What is Rees-Mogg’s problem with Ireland?

  • TSE hates people who talk about themselves in the third person

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 33,305

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millenialism.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    This is my most worn hoodie.

    image

    :smiley:
    I suppose you ask the ladies if they'd like to collide with it?
    Most hadrons are highly unstable, with lifetimes of less than 10^-23 s...
    The ladies might usefully learn that.....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894

    What is Rees-Mogg’s problem with Ireland?

    he doesnt like Catholics ?
  • nielhnielh Posts: 1,307

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Meanwhile Corbyn explains that NATO was formed in 1948 to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union forcing the poor lambs into forming that wonderful Warsaw Pact:



    I am not sure that stupid really does him justice. It's much more fundamental than that.

    I like the idealism. He's not a great speaker but I admire his inner hippy. I can see his appeal the young. It's refreshing that someone's still making those arguments
    It is like a film script for very dark overblown satire has come to life. An obsessive half mad idiot is propelled to the leadership of a major party by chance events. People are blind to the reality and project many contradictory visions on to him. Hopefully the second half where he becomes PM remains on the cutting room floor.
    Donald trump becoming president?
  • AnneJGP said:

    .

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    It has been said of quantum mechanics that if you are not confused by it then you do not really understand it.
    More seriously if you can get your head round the mathematics then it really is elegantly simple; it’s only when you try to translate that into more every day language that it becomes confusing. Imagine trying to explain, in words, the tune of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
    Back in the day, I used to proof read our scientists' PhD theses. My favourite Laugh-out-loud moment was when I'd meticulously examined 2 or 3 pages of mathematics (I'm not a mathematician) and turned over a page to find the words "Obviously, therefore ...."

    Good evening, everyone.
    I have taught the Cambridge Pre-U alternative to A-level which has an investigation as part of it where the students are encouraged to look at Physics which is beyond the taught course. There was one that covered an entire sheet with one equation: I ended up giving him full marks for that section and hoped like hell he wasn’t bluffing.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894

    TSE hates people who talk about themselves in the third person

  • JohnRussellJohnRussell Posts: 297
    edited August 2018

    So it seems to be the consensus that Conservatives barring people who want to join so as to influence the party is fair enough. Where does that leave Centrists who join or rejoin Labour to stop it becoming the SWP?

    People close to the Tories wanting to join to influence is reasonable.
    Active supporters of another party wanting to hijack is not.

    The comparison isn't centrists who were formerly Labour, the comparison would be if the Lib Dems were to try and do a reverse takeover of Labour.
    I accept the point on Arron Banks, but wouldn't you think a lot of people have gone Tory>UKIP>Tory over the last decade? UKIP went from 3% to 12% to 1% between 2010 and 2017, you'd have thought the Tories wanted those people back when Labour's membership is through the roof.

    In any case, their goal seems to be to get ex Tory mayor of London and perennial favourite for the job Boris Johnson in as leader, hardly an outsider to the Con Club
    I think normal Tory->UKIP->Tory people are more than welcome back. From this site there are people that have made or partially made that journey. I think for instance Sean_F has gone from Tory->UKIP->not in any party. If he were to want to rejoin the Tories I think he'd be welcome.

    People like Arron Banks aren't serious about being Tories though. They are extremist infiltrators and it is the likes of them that should be prevented.
    I find it an interesting subject... on the one hand, its obvious Banks is trying to subvert the next Tory leadership campaign, on the other, he was previously a Tory donor and member I think, so why cant he rejoin even if it is to try to make them more right wing? And, as I say, Boris Johnson is pretty much an establishment Tory rather than a radical isn't he? Finally, mass membership trickery would only have an effect if Boris made the final two anyway, and MP's could nip that in the bud, leaving the infiltrators a choice of Ken Clarke and Anna Soubry if they so desired.

    In my view, they should let whoever wants to join, but only allow a vote on leadership matters to people who attend meetings or go canvassing a certain amount of times, that would stop them looking silly on two counts.
  • Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 10,354

    What is Rees-Mogg’s problem with Ireland?

    he doesnt like Catholics ?
    In the 1930s, the UK and Ireland engaged in a trade war which ultimately deprived many in the nascent Free State of their livelihoods and in some cases their lives.

    I very much hope we would not see a return.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 5,541
    edited August 2018
    Boundary Commission reports for both England and Scotland to be formally submitted to the Government on Wed 5 September.

    https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/one-week-to-go/

    http://www.bcomm-scotland.independent.gov.uk/newsarchive/

    Can't see anything for Wales or Northern Ireland on their websites - but by law must be by 30 September.

    Presumably all four will be laid before Parliament in one single Statutory Instrument.
  • AndyJS said:

    So it seems to be the consensus that Conservatives barring people who want to join so as to influence the party is fair enough. Where does that leave Centrists who join or rejoin Labour to stop it becoming the SWP?

    People close to the Tories wanting to join to influence is reasonable.
    Active supporters of another party wanting to hijack is not.

    The comparison isn't centrists who were formerly Labour, the comparison would be if the Lib Dems were to try and do a reverse takeover of Labour.
    How exactly does one determine whether someone is a "genuine supporter"?
    Public statements contradicting their supposed desire to join is a big red flag. Won't be there for most people but for people like Banks it is.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    rum sodomy and the lash plus the last night of the Proms
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,468

    AnneJGP said:

    .

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    It has been said of quantum mechanics that if you are not confused by it then you do not really understand it.
    More seriously if you can get your head round the mathematics then it really is elegantly simple; it’s only when you try to translate that into more every day language that it becomes confusing. Imagine trying to explain, in words, the tune of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
    Back in the day, I used to proof read our scientists' PhD theses. My favourite Laugh-out-loud moment was when I'd meticulously examined 2 or 3 pages of mathematics (I'm not a mathematician) and turned over a page to find the words "Obviously, therefore ...."

    Good evening, everyone.
    I have taught the Cambridge Pre-U alternative to A-level which has an investigation as part of it where the students are encouraged to look at Physics which is beyond the taught course. There was one that covered an entire sheet with one equation: I ended up giving him full marks for that section and hoped like hell he wasn’t bluffing.
    Some people really do think in mathematical notation, I believe.

    But then, I also know one of those people who can tell you within seconds what day of the week any particular date fell on (or will fall on).
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    Martial Law and the reintroduction of people carrying red flags in front of cars.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,192

    What is Rees-Mogg’s problem with Ireland?

    Well it’s up there with Varadkar’s no flights over Ireland silliness.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 17,102
    Roger said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Meanwhile Corbyn explains that NATO was formed in 1948 to promote a cold war with the Soviet Union forcing the poor lambs into forming that wonderful Warsaw Pact:



    I am not sure that stupid really does him justice. It's much more fundamental than that.

    I like the idealism. He's not a great speaker but I admire his inner hippy. I can see his appeal the young. It's refreshing that someone's still making those arguments
    It’s as if he (and you) are unaware of the gulags, the repressions, the way dissidents were locked up in mental hospitals, the genocide perpetrated on the Ukrainian people, the 1953 uprising by East Germany, the show trials in the Warsaw pact countries, the killings and forced suicides, the Berlin Wall, the shooting of those who wanted to escape their prison, the 1956 Hungarian uprising, the multiple Polish rebellions, the 1968 uprising in Czechoslovakia and so on and so forth. It’s as if he’s wholly unaware of - or ignores - the reality of life in the Soviet Union in the years before 1948 and its deliberate undermining of any attempt to create a normal democratic society in the countries liberated from Nazism. Those countries exchanged one brutal totalitarian regime for another. Their liberation did not come until 1989.

    There is nothing idealistic about defending the vile regime which was the Soviet Union.
    We're talking then about a time after 1948 when lynchings were a routine part of American life. Where blacks and whites couldn't travel on the same bus or go to the same schools....where genocides in Rwanda and the Congo weren't even stopped. Where wars of unimaginable brutality between Iraq and Iran killed hundreds of thousands. Where apartheid in South Africa and Rhodesia continued unchecked. Where American/UK policy created a bloodbath in Iraq and Libya. Where the war in Syria had more in common with the brutalities of the first world war than anything that happened in Eastern Europe post '48.....

    The picture painted by Corbyn rings rather more true than your rather partial anglocentric view of recent history.
    I was describing the reality of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries not giving a world history. But were I to I am pretty certain that it would be a more accurate account than the rubbish spouted by Corbyn. His moral idiocy is only matched by his ignorance. It is pretty easy to pull apart any factual statement he makes about matters of history.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 13,039
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    .

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:



    The old Communists in Die Linke do poll well in the East. There is some genuine nostalgia.

    There has always been a bit of radical chic assosciated with the Communists, whether the Russian revolutionaries, the Cubans, Che Guevara, or the Communards. Usually best appreciated at a distance, but there nevertheless, in a way that Fascism rarely appeals outside its own nation.

    Islamism is the modern equivalent for a sector of society looking for an alternative to the crass commercialism and decadance of modern consumer society. It is a coherent alternative philosophy and idealistic alternative way to structure the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.

    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    It has been said of quantum mechanics that if you are not confused by it then you do not really understand it.
    More seriously if you can get your head round the mathematics then it really is elegantly simple; it’s only when you try to translate that into more every day language that it becomes confusing. Imagine trying to explain, in words, the tune of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
    Back in the day, I used to proof read our scientists' PhD theses. My favourite Laugh-out-loud moment was when I'd meticulously examined 2 or 3 pages of mathematics (I'm not a mathematician) and turned over a page to find the words "Obviously, therefore ...."

    Good evening, everyone.
    I have taught the Cambridge Pre-U alternative to A-level which has an investigation as part of it where the students are encouraged to look at Physics which is beyond the taught course. There was one that covered an entire sheet with one equation: I ended up giving him full marks for that section and hoped like hell he wasn’t bluffing.
    Some people really do think in mathematical notation, I believe.

    But then, I also know one of those people who can tell you within seconds what day of the week any particular date fell on (or will fall on).
    I once met Kim Peek - the inspiration for Rain Man - and he could tell you what day of the week a date fell on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,495
    Fishing said:

    On topic, who the f thinks Corbyn is doing well? He hardly ever lands a punch against a pretty unloved government struggling with delivering an almost impossible task. I can understand people voting Labour if they hate the current government, or its ideology, but I really can't understand why they would think Corbyn would make a good PM unless they are:

    - so immersed with the WEST EQUALS EVIL ideology that they can forgive him anything;
    - themselves anti-Semitic and respond to his (unintentional?) dog whistles;
    - IRA sympathisers;
    - so tribally Labour that they'd back a donkey in his position; or
    - really voting for John McConnell.

    Maybe those add up to 20% of the electorate?

    About 40% last year, and in all the polling since.
  • glwglw Posts: 6,044

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    Trump to say something stupid and/or false on Twitter at a God-forsaken hour every one of those 19 days.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 25,247

    AndyJS said:

    So it seems to be the consensus that Conservatives barring people who want to join so as to influence the party is fair enough. Where does that leave Centrists who join or rejoin Labour to stop it becoming the SWP?

    People close to the Tories wanting to join to influence is reasonable.
    Active supporters of another party wanting to hijack is not.

    The comparison isn't centrists who were formerly Labour, the comparison would be if the Lib Dems were to try and do a reverse takeover of Labour.
    How exactly does one determine whether someone is a "genuine supporter"?
    Public statements contradicting their supposed desire to join is a big red flag. Won't be there for most people but for people like Banks it is.
    Yes, there will be people who have “Infiltrate the Tories” as their Twitter handle, or who got arrested on a Free Tommy Robinson march. They can keep their £25.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 3,772
    tlg86 said:


    I once met Kim Peek - the inspiration for Rain Man - and he could tell you what day of the week a date fell on.

    There's a formula for doing this, it's just a case of memorising it and being able to plug in the numbers quickly. Not much different from learning how to do a rubik's cube
  • Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    rum sodomy and the lash plus the last night of the Proms
    Sounds like a typical night out in Manchester.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,495

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    Conference season. Should be a good 'un.
  • AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    .

    tyson said:

    Foxy said:

    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "a lot of people recall life in the DDR (especially) as better than now, especially as regards employment and social services."

    I'm not surprised. It's called nostalgia. I feel a reverse Four Yorkshiremen sketch coming.

    ated with the Communists, whether the the world.

    I see the appeal myself, though mine is a Christian millennial is sm.
    Any ideology is coherent to those who believe it......

    I think Scientology is quite plausible....well it's more plausible than lots of other stuff out there like transubstantiation......when you read the stuff on parallels universes, string theory and quantum physics...wow..that shit is really LSD induced bonkers....
    of a Beethoven symphony to someone deaf and who did not understand musical notation.

    String theory
    Back in the day, I used to proof read our scientists' PhD theses. My favourite Laugh-out-loud moment was when I'd meticulously examined 2 or 3 pages of mathematics (I'm not a mathematician) and turned over a page to find the words "Obviously, therefore ...."

    Good evening, everyone.
    I have taught the Cambridge Pre-U alternative to A-level which has an investigation as part of it where the students are encouraged to look at Physics which is beyond the taught course. There was one that covered an entire sheet with one equation: I ended up giving him full marks for that section and hoped like hell he wasn’t bluffing.
    Some people really do think in mathematical notation, I believe.

    But then, I also know one of those people who can tell you within seconds what day of the week any particular date fell on (or will fall on).
    I do a bit. I always found numbers in French very hard and I realised that I was translating them twice: once into English and then into the figures that I see in my head when I think of a number.

    On the second point, I knew someone like that who had it as his party trick, and he explained that it is a relatively simple bit of maths to do if you can be bothered to learn it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 13,039

    tlg86 said:


    I once met Kim Peek - the inspiration for Rain Man - and he could tell you what day of the week a date fell on.

    There's a formula for doing this, it's just a case of memorising it and being able to plug in the numbers quickly. Not much different from learning how to do a rubik's cube
    Whether Peek had learnt the formula I'm not sure but he responded instantly.
  • Interesting from Monsieur Barnier

    "Single market means single market ... There is no single market à la carte."
  • Foxy said:

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    Conference season. Should be a good 'un.
    Seems everyone is daft as each other
  • For those interested, here is Charles Dodgson’s method, from Wikipedia.

    Take the given date in 4 portions, viz. the number of centuries, the number of years over, the month, the day of the month. Compute the following 4 items, adding each, when found, to the total of the previous items. When an item or total exceeds 7, divide by 7, and keep the remainder only.

    Century-item: For `Old Style' (which ended 2 September 1752) subtract from 18. For `New Style' (which began 14 September 1752) divide by 4, take overplus from 3, multiply remainder by 2.

    Year-item: Add together the number of dozens, the overplus, and the number of 4s in the overplus.

    Month-item: If it begins or ends with a vowel, subtract the number, denoting its place in the year, from 10. This, plus its number of days, gives the item for the following month. The item for January is "0"; for February or March, "3"; for December, "12".

    Day-item: The total, thus reached, must be corrected, by deducting "1" (first adding 7, if the total be "0"), if the date be January or February in a leap year, remembering that every year, divisible by 4, is a Leap Year, excepting only the century-years, in `New Style', when the number of centuries is not so divisible (e.g. 1800).

    The final result gives the day of the week, "0" meaning Sunday, "1" Monday, and so on.

    There are others.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 3,549
    RobD said:
    It came as Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary, suggested the UK would pay the Brexit bill, estimated at £39 billion, even if the UK left the EU without a deal.
  • ScO-llops is the new pineapple on pizza for me.

    It is scallops and if you think otherwise then you are as dumb as a box of rocks.

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 10,354
    geoffw said:

    RobD said:
    It came as Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary, suggested the UK would pay the Brexit bill, estimated at £39 billion, even if the UK left the EU without a deal.
    £39bn is the price of the withdrawal agreement

    So if we crash out on 30 March 2019, no £39bn whereas if we have an orderly exit on 1 January 2021 (not having agreed a future partnership) we pay the £39bn.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Interesting from Monsieur Barnier

    "Single market means single market ... There is no single market à la carte."

    But they will offer single market a la carte. It would not surprise me to see the EU offer as Single market in Food, Fish, cars and aerospace. As that is all in their favour.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,192

    ScO-llops is the new pineapple on pizza for me.

    It is scallops and if you think otherwise then you are as dumb as a box of rocks.

    The main thing is they come with bacon and black pudding.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 3,549

    geoffw said:

    RobD said:
    It came as Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary, suggested the UK would pay the Brexit bill, estimated at £39 billion, even if the UK left the EU without a deal.
    £39bn is the price of the withdrawal agreement

    So if we crash out on 30 March 2019, no £39bn whereas if we have an orderly exit on 1 January 2021 (not having agreed a future partnership) we pay the £39bn.
    even if the UK left the EU without a deal.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 10,354

    Interesting from Monsieur Barnier

    "Single market means single market ... There is no single market à la carte."

    But they will offer single market a la carte. It would not surprise me to see the EU offer as Single market in Food, Fish, cars and aerospace. As that is all in their favour.
    The existing single market is a la carte, with deeper integration in some sectors than others. More than 90% of intra-community trade in goods is under EU standards, whereas the same applies to 2% (IIRC) of services.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 10,354
    edited August 2018
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    RobD said:
    It came as Dominic Raab, the Brexit Secretary, suggested the UK would pay the Brexit bill, estimated at £39 billion, even if the UK left the EU without a deal.
    £39bn is the price of the withdrawal agreement

    So if we crash out on 30 March 2019, no £39bn whereas if we have an orderly exit on 1 January 2021 (not having agreed a future partnership) we pay the £39bn.
    even if the UK left the EU without a deal.
    yeah, it's poor reporting

    Compare and contrast


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7087901/dominic-raab-no-deal-brexit-divorce-bill/

    The two types of "no deal" must be differentiated.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    ScO-llops is the new pineapple on pizza for me.

    It is scallops and if you think otherwise then you are as dumb as a box of rocks.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 20,894

    ScO-llops is the new pineapple on pizza for me.

    It is scallops and if you think otherwise then you are as dumb as a box of rocks.

    seconded

    and dont start me on skons
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2018
    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036

    He'll be joining the Scottish Tories soon.
    Another leer today, SCon tomorrow politician...
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Canada have 99+% access to the single market that isn't really a single market.

    But they have zero "member" benefits. There is a big difference between member and access.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    The Swedish election should be interesting.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,071
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    I see David Lidington is now trying to play being "nasty cop":

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45344203

    On here earlier I was told by the May apologists that Chequers was an opening gambit, a masterstroke aimed at kick starting negotiations.

    It appears in fact it's the only game in town and Lidington's line is "our deal or no deal".

    This pointless brinkmanship isn't going to get anyone anywhere - the Government line is becoming clear. When Chequers is formally rejected by the EU the Government will spend months blaming "Europe" and if there are some problems on or after 29/3/19, the Conservatives will wrap themselves in the Union Jack, blame the "perfidious Europeans" and dodge all aspects of accountability.

    They do say you can fool all of the people some of the time - election next spring ?

    Or possibly the government feels they have done all the compromising so far and they can’t go any further
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 10,354
    AndyJS said:

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    The Swedish election should be interesting.
    Yes indeed. One of my bigger betting events of the year so far.

    Today's polls half a dozen of one and six of another, with SKOP moving a point to the Socialists and SIFO moving a point to Swedish Democrats. Overall I would have to say, time running out for the SDs - what they are reliant on is the polls being wrong (save for YouGov which has them ahead).
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    Canada have 99+% access to the single market that isn't really a single market.

    But they have zero "member" benefits. There is a big difference between member and access.
    Yes, they are deprived of making a contribution, allowing unfettered freedom of movement, having 'a seat at the table' etc.
    No they are deprived of their own national agencies saying this "good" meets EU rules so every EU country must accept it without border checks and challenge,
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,071

    ScO-llops is the new pineapple on pizza for me.

    It is scallops and if you think otherwise then you are as dumb as a box of rocks.

    A well educated box of rocks. It is scallops with an O
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Mike's holiday began this afternoon.

    Alex Salmond has resigned from the SNP this evening.

    What are the next 19 days going to bring?

    The Swedish election should be interesting.
    Yes indeed. One of my bigger betting events of the year so far.

    Today's polls half a dozen of one and six of another, with SKOP moving a point to the Socialists and SIFO moving a point to Swedish Democrats. Overall I would have to say, time running out for the SDs - what they are reliant on is the polls being wrong (save for YouGov which has them ahead).
    20% would still be a pretty good result for them, even if they're in third place. I think they were only on about 5% a couple of elections ago.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036
    Charles said:
    Unprecedented vassalage.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 30,303

    Canada have 99+% access to the single market that isn't really a single market.

    But they have zero "member" benefits. There is a big difference between member and access.
    Yes, they are deprived of making a contribution, allowing unfettered freedom of movement, having 'a seat at the table' etc.
    Well, a Canadian financial services company cannot offer products to UK or EU consumers without a regulated, capitalised entity in the EU.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Charles said:

    It is scallops with an O

    At the end. After the A
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 30,971
    Anorak said:

    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?

    So he wont mind when 50 backbenchers vote against the Hard Left direction if/when they are in government, as they will be voting with the party.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,071
    Scott_P said:

    Charles said:

    It is scallops with an O

    At the end. After the A
    Silent A
  • Anorak said:

    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?

    What a fucking cretin
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Scott_P said:

    Charles said:

    It is scallops with an O

    At the end. After the A
    Scallops are a disgusting French invention. After Brexit it will be a return to winkles and jellied eels. Those found eating scallops (or scollops) will be driven into the mouth of the channel tunnel at the end of a pike.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600

    For those interested, here is Charles Dodgson’s method, from Wikipedia.

    Take the given date in 4 portions, viz. the number of centuries, the number of years over, the month, the day of the month. Compute the following 4 items, adding each, when found, to the total of the previous items. When an item or total exceeds 7, divide by 7, and keep the remainder only.

    Century-item: For `Old Style' (which ended 2 September 1752) subtract from 18. For `New Style' (which began 14 September 1752) divide by 4, take overplus from 3, multiply remainder by 2.

    Year-item: Add together the number of dozens, the overplus, and the number of 4s in the overplus.

    Month-item: If it begins or ends with a vowel, subtract the number, denoting its place in the year, from 10. This, plus its number of days, gives the item for the following month. The item for January is "0"; for February or March, "3"; for December, "12".

    Day-item: The total, thus reached, must be corrected, by deducting "1" (first adding 7, if the total be "0"), if the date be January or February in a leap year, remembering that every year, divisible by 4, is a Leap Year, excepting only the century-years, in `New Style', when the number of centuries is not so divisible (e.g. 1800).

    The final result gives the day of the week, "0" meaning Sunday, "1" Monday, and so on.

    There are others.

    Ah yes, now I know the formula I am sure I will be able to respond with the day of the week to any date in an instant. Or maybe not...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2018
    SeanT said:


    Exactly how is Aung San Suu Kyi doing any worse than Henry Kissinger (Cambodia bombing) or Barack Obama (no peace at all, plus drones)?

    Neither was stripped. The prize is generally ludicrous. Plus one can hardly blame the Burmese for wanting a Muslim-free country, given their geolocation.

    Seriously. Through the method of child murder and rape?

    You can fuck right off.
  • Anorak said:

    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?

    What a fucking cretin
    What about all the times Corbyn voted against Kinnock. Organised against Kinnock as secretary of Benn's 1988 "chicken coup". All the times he voted against John Smith. All before New Laboir was invented. Williamson knows wjat he is saying is bullshit. But he also knows most of the Kali Ma have little knowledge of Labour pre-Corbyn other than the lies posted on social media. So he lies to them knowing they are stupid.

    What a fucking cretin Williamson is.
  • Anorak said:

    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?

    What a fucking cretin
    What about all the times Corbyn voted against Kinnock. Organised against Kinnock as secretary of Benn's 1988 "chicken coup". All the times he voted against John Smith. All before New Laboir was invented. Williamson knows wjat he is saying is bullshit. But he also knows most of the Kali Ma have little knowledge of Labour pre-Corbyn other than the lies posted on social media. So he lies to them knowing they are stupid.

    What a fucking cretin Williamson is.
    vanilla messaged you.

    All being well your piece is going up overnight.
  • Bastard RMT! Toy-town revolutionaries all!
  • For those interested, here is Charles Dodgson’s method, from Wikipedia.

    Take the given date in 4 portions, viz. the number of centuries, the number of years over, the month, the day of the month. Compute the following 4 items, adding each, when found, to the total of the previous items. When an item or total exceeds 7, divide by 7, and keep the remainder only.

    Century-item: For `Old Style' (which ended 2 September 1752) subtract from 18. For `New Style' (which began 14 September 1752) divide by 4, take overplus from 3, multiply remainder by 2.

    Year-item: Add together the number of dozens, the overplus, and the number of 4s in the overplus.

    Month-item: If it begins or ends with a vowel, subtract the number, denoting its place in the year, from 10. This, plus its number of days, gives the item for the following month. The item for January is "0"; for February or March, "3"; for December, "12".

    Day-item: The total, thus reached, must be corrected, by deducting "1" (first adding 7, if the total be "0"), if the date be January or February in a leap year, remembering that every year, divisible by 4, is a Leap Year, excepting only the century-years, in `New Style', when the number of centuries is not so divisible (e.g. 1800).

    The final result gives the day of the week, "0" meaning Sunday, "1" Monday, and so on.

    There are others.

    Ah yes, now I know the formula I am sure I will be able to respond with the day of the week to any date in an instant. Or maybe not...
    The easiest method is to look it up on your phone of course...
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,611
    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:


    Exactly how is Aung San Suu Kyi doing any worse than Henry Kissinger (Cambodia bombing) or Barack Obama (no peace at all, plus drones)?

    Neither was stripped. The prize is generally ludicrous. Plus one can hardly blame the Burmese for wanting a Muslim-free country, given their geolocation.

    Seriously. Through the method of child murder and rape?

    You can fuck right off.
    Just someone who voted conservative approving of the slaughter of Muslims, don't forget though Corbyn supporters are a cult because somebody claimed that New Labour values aren't representative of Labour values so Corbyn didn't rebel, let's keep some sense of perspective and concentrate on the bigger threat...
  • Charles said:

    ScO-llops is the new pineapple on pizza for me.

    It is scallops and if you think otherwise then you are as dumb as a box of rocks.

    A well educated box of rocks. It is scallops with an O
    How do you pronounce "wallop"?

    I rest my case.
  • Anorak said:

    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?

    What a fucking cretin
    What about all the times Corbyn voted against Kinnock. Organised against Kinnock as secretary of Benn's 1988 "chicken coup". All the times he voted against John Smith. All before New Laboir was invented. Williamson knows wjat he is saying is bullshit. But he also knows most of the Kali Ma have little knowledge of Labour pre-Corbyn other than the lies posted on social media. So he lies to them knowing they are stupid.

    What a fucking cretin Williamson is.
    vanilla messaged you.

    All being well your piece is going up overnight.
    Really look forward to reading it
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 30,303

    What is Rees-Mogg’s problem with Ireland?

    JRM's assertion is also somewhat absurd. What matters is how easily you can find alternative export markets. I suspect, and I could be wrong, that there are other countries who would buy Irish beef.
  • Anorak said:

    Not a cult example #983,540,434,300

    https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2018/08/labour-democracy-roadshow-in-stoke.html?m=1

    Chris [Williamson] also - rightly - argued that not once did Jeremy Corbyn vote against the party as a backbencher. Rather he voted with the party against the direction New Labour imposed on the party.

    I...wut?...eh? WTFF?

    What a fucking cretin
    What about all the times Corbyn voted against Kinnock. Organised against Kinnock as secretary of Benn's 1988 "chicken coup". All the times he voted against John Smith. All before New Laboir was invented. Williamson knows wjat he is saying is bullshit. But he also knows most of the Kali Ma have little knowledge of Labour pre-Corbyn other than the lies posted on social media. So he lies to them knowing they are stupid.

    What a fucking cretin Williamson is.
    vanilla messaged you.

    All being well your piece is going up overnight.
    Really look forward to reading it
    I spent a happy hour by the pool writing it. There are plenty of Tory leaning contributors who provide me with fascinating and valuable insight from inside that party. There's a few Labour leaning contributors who do the same from our side. Happy to contribute longer pieces if people want to read them...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621


    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:


    Exactly how is Aung San Suu Kyi doing any worse than Henry Kissinger (Cambodia bombing) or Barack Obama (no peace at all, plus drones)?

    Neither was stripped. The prize is generally ludicrous. Plus one can hardly blame the Burmese for wanting a Muslim-free country, given their geolocation.

    Seriously. Through the method of child murder and rape?

    You can fuck right off.
    Just someone who voted conservative approving of the slaughter of Muslims, don't forget though Corbyn supporters are a cult because somebody claimed that New Labour values aren't representative of Labour values so Corbyn didn't rebel, let's keep some sense of perspective and concentrate on the bigger threat...
    Given you lot think the bigger threat is the MSM, Israel, and the Rothschilds, all I see is a pot and an antisemitic kettle.
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