And that was the last we ever heard of it from the Tories. Nothing in any manifesto, no big campaigns, no major speeches, nothing. If they felt it was something that needed dealing with they kept very, very quiet about it.
Well it's hardly the kind of thing you make party-political broadcasts about, is it? The responsibility lies 100% with Labour, as the government who deliberately screwed this up, and the Tories were exactly right in their warnings about it - uncannily right.
Labour’s mass complaint to the press regulator Ipso over this summer’s press coverage of Jeremy Corbyn’s visit to a Tunisian cemetery in 2014 has been dropped, according to individuals at the newspapers involved.
Well there's a surprise.
What was the complaint exactly? Do these dullards on the hard left think that it isn't newsworthy to report on the LoHMO honouring the grave of a terrorist? What if, God forbid, TMay honoured the grave of a Nazi?
Labour’s mass complaint to the press regulator Ipso over this summer’s press coverage of Jeremy Corbyn’s visit to a Tunisian cemetery in 2014 has been dropped, according to individuals at the newspapers involved.
Well there's a surprise.
What was the complaint exactly? Do these dullards on the hard left think that it isn't newsworthy to report on the LoHMO honouring the grave of a terrorist? What if, God forbid, TMay honoured the grave of a Nazi?
"The party had complained that the articles suggested he was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre, which Corbyn denied".
For some no doubt entirely innocent reason they seem to to have decided that it would have been counter-productive to try to provide evidence to the effect that he wasn't commemorating terrorists. I can't think why.
Labour’s mass complaint to the press regulator Ipso over this summer’s press coverage of Jeremy Corbyn’s visit to a Tunisian cemetery in 2014 has been dropped, according to individuals at the newspapers involved.
Well there's a surprise.
What was the complaint exactly? Do these dullards on the hard left think that it isn't newsworthy to report on the LoHMO honouring the grave of a terrorist? What if, God forbid, TMay honoured the grave of a Nazi?
"The party had complained that the articles suggested he was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre, which Corbyn denied".
For some no doubt entirely innocent reason they seem to to have decided that it would have been counter-productive to try to provide evidence to the effect that he wasn't commemorating terrorists. I can't think why.
Oh right. Of course he would probably say that he condemns both sides for the violence in the Munich massacre. Those unarmed Israeli athletes must take some share of the responsibility for simply existing, and the fact that they didn't agree with this, moments before they were murdered is because, as Zionists, they don't understand irony.
Labour’s mass complaint to the press regulator Ipso over this summer’s press coverage of Jeremy Corbyn’s visit to a Tunisian cemetery in 2014 has been dropped, according to individuals at the newspapers involved.
Well there's a surprise.
What was the complaint exactly? Do these dullards on the hard left think that it isn't newsworthy to report on the LoHMO honouring the grave of a terrorist? What if, God forbid, TMay honoured the grave of a Nazi?
"The party had complained that the articles suggested he was commemorating members of the Black September terrorist group or those who carried out the 1972 Munich massacre, which Corbyn denied".
For some no doubt entirely innocent reason they seem to to have decided that it would have been counter-productive to try to provide evidence to the effect that he wasn't commemorating terrorists. I can't think why.
And that was the last we ever heard of it from the Tories. Nothing in any manifesto, no big campaigns, no major speeches, nothing. If they felt it was something that needed dealing with they kept very, very quiet about it.
Well it's hardly the kind of thing you make party-political broadcasts about, is it? The responsibility lies 100% with Labour, as the government who deliberately screwed this up, and the Tories were exactly right in their warnings about it - uncannily right.
Peter Lilley was right in 1997. After that the Tories said nothing. That does not stop it being Labour's fault, obviously, but it does not suggest that the Tories felt there was anything much to worry about.
Michael Heseltine backs a second EU referendum or a general election in the Evening Standard to give the voters the say on the final decision on Brexit
If he's elected to the Senate, he almost certainly will. His campaign emphasising Medicaid expansion (not quite universal healthcare, but you get the point), has the potential to reach across the party divide.
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
Michael Heseltine backs a second EU referendum or a general election in the Evening Standard to give the voters the say on the final decision on Brexit
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
This was before most people realised he, like Corbyn, is unfit for high office. As Lincoln is said to have said; "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." I guess you fit in the second category?
The random dude that Republican Operative Ed Whelan decided really did the sexual assault on Dr Ford wasn't actually that random, Ford was going out with him at the time.
And the kicker is he was a friend of Brett Kavanaugh and is mentioned dozens of times on the famed calendars.
I've been with Javid at 12-1 and topped up with 6-1.Gove at 12s makes up my final betting position on this market.Neither Johnson or Mogg will get into the final 2 but Gove might and could end up the Brexit candidate.If he does,he wins.
It was a silly thing for Hunt to say. I don't know what he was thinking of.
Playing to the gallery. It was cheap, and it detracts from his other abilities. I suspect he already regrets it. He is still a vast improvement on his idiotic and incompetent predecessor.
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
He and his chum Rees Mogg give Public Schools a bad name. I'm pretty sure John Cleese 'upper class twit of the year' was supposed to be satire.
Michael Heseltine backs a second EU referendum or a general election in the Evening Standard to give the voters the say on the final decision on Brexit
It was a silly thing for Hunt to say. I don't know what he was thinking of.
He was playing to his audience. The idea EU leaders don't understand people doing that at their own party conferences is farcical - they are not so hypocritical as to believe that, nor to pretend they have never done the same.
Michael Heseltine backs a second EU referendum or a general election in the Evening Standard to give the voters the say on the final decision on Brexit
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
He and his chum Rees Mogg give Public Schools a bad name. I'm pretty sure John Cleese 'upper class twit of the year' was supposed to be satire.
Michael Heseltine backs a second EU referendum or a general election in the Evening Standard to give the voters the say on the final decision on Brexit
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
This was before most people realised he, like Corbyn, is unfit for high office. As Lincoln is said to have said; "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." I guess you fit in the second category?
40% voted for Corbyn, 52% voted for a Leave campaign led by Boris.
So only about 8% would consider neither, most of them LDs
40% voted for Corbyn, 52% voted for a Leave campaign led by Boris.
So only about 8% would consider neither, most of them LDs
What planet are you on? You are not even remotely comparing like-with-like. You might as well as 40% like bananas, 52% do jigsaws so about 8% must be carpenters.
Michael Heseltine backs a second EU referendum or a general election in the Evening Standard to give the voters the say on the final decision on Brexit
A Conservative who talks sense.... no wonder he is not part of this administration.
He must also be about 80 years old...
Edit to add: 85
Perhaps age has brought wisdom? Or the current bunch are exhibiting the folly of youth?
Given the USSR references of recent days, perhaps the Politburo were on to something having oldies in charge. Of course senility is not good and some women would have been a good idea....
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
This was before most people realised he, like Corbyn, is unfit for high office. As Lincoln is said to have said; "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." I guess you fit in the second category?
40% voted for Corbyn, 52% voted for a Leave campaign led by Boris.
So only about 8% would consider neither, most of them LDs
Lincoln's quote is apposite, but you do not see the irony. Good evening!
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
This was before most people realised he, like Corbyn, is unfit for high office. As Lincoln is said to have said; "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." I guess you fit in the second category?
40% voted for Corbyn, 52% voted for a Leave campaign led by Boris.
So only about 8% would consider neither, most of them LDs
I'm worried that you're becoming more unhinged recently
Yet Boris still has a comfortable lead in today's Conhome next Tory leader poll on 30% with Javid second on 19% and Hunt third on 9%.
Plus plenty of polls showed voters thought Corbyn would be a poor leader before he won the Labour leadership and before GE17
Corbyn was and is a very poor leader. Popularity among a bunch of deluded cretins does not make a person a good leader
Corbyn inspires left-wing voters to get out and vote Labour, Boris inspires Leavers to get out and vote Tory.
Being a good administrator is not necessarily the same as being a good election campaigner
Any source for that? The evidence from the 2012 mayoral election was that Johnson got over-stated in just about every poll
Boris won twice in London, in 2008 against the odds and is the only Tory ever to have won the London Mayoralty and like Corbyn has passionate supporters as much as detractors
This was before most people realised he, like Corbyn, is unfit for high office. As Lincoln is said to have said; "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." I guess you fit in the second category?
40% voted for Corbyn, 52% voted for a Leave campaign led by Boris.
So only about 8% would consider neither, most of them LDs
Boris's jape may be puerile but I can't see how a load of people from his party queuing up to take potshots at him (prior to his jape) is going to play well. Boris is one of the party's most popular figures with the general public and all this shows is a party that is more interested in resolving its internal battles rather than addressing people's concerns sufficiently to prevent a Corbyn government.
David Herdson and Tissue Price have this right - once Brexit is concluded the conservatives will need to present a vision for the country that addresses people's concerns, and notably people's concerns in the marginal towns in the Midlands and North West. We know what these concerns are - housing and getting people on the housing ladder, strong fair policing that protects the public from genuine criminals, the NHS, a strong defence without being involved in endless wars that don't directly concern us, a more focused immigration policy, reducing benefits dependency. Ensuring that big business does not become too powerful - if you want to win votes in Tamworth, Nuneaton, Bolton and Bury then going on about big business cuts little ice, you need to be seen to be championing the many small businesses who employ the majority of the population here.
I see no evidence that May, Hammond, Digby Jones, Hunt remotely get this. They will ignore most or all of the above and the aspirational working class needed to win a majority will either be seduced by Corbyn's promise of freebies or stay at home. And Corbyn will win the next election. It depresses me that the current conservative government does not seem to recognise or care about this. For all his manifold faults Boris gets this and for now this voter is more bothered about ensuring Corbyn and McDonnell never get to operate the levers of power than who best reflects my wishes - the next Blair or Cameron would be fine with me personally, but it's clear the country has turned its back on the Third Way and sofa government.
Leavers viewed it for what it is: a technical issue that can be solved with goodwill and hard work on both sides
We didn’t expect the EU to play politics with peace. Our bad.
You can't have it both ways. Either it's a technical issue that can be solved with goodwill, or customs checks at sea ports are unacceptable.
Not having it both ways.
As always in Ireland symbolism is hugely important.
Without the consent of the Unionists a perceived division between the U.K. and NI is unacceptable. Similarly physical infrastructure at the RoI border is unacceptable to the nationalist community.
Hence the challenge: can you come up with technical means to solve that. With goodwill and hard work you can.
But Varadkar chose to stop that work because he/the EU believed - wrongly in my view - that they could reverse Brexit by creating an issue.
That is playing politics with peace.
(And @Scott_P feel free to disagree. But there’s little point in swearing or wilfully misunderstanding)
If the tweets from various East European leaders who know something about the Soviet Union are anything to go by it's not the line they want to push him over
Leavers viewed it for what it is: a technical issue that can be solved with goodwill and hard work on both sides
We didn’t expect the EU to play politics with peace. Our bad.
You can't have it both ways. Either it's a technical issue that can be solved with goodwill, or customs checks at sea ports are unacceptable.
Not having it both ways.
As always in Ireland symbolism is hugely important.
Without the consent of the Unionists a perceived division between the U.K. and NI is unacceptable. Similarly physical infrastructure at the RoI border is unacceptable to the nationalist community.
Hence the challenge: can you come up with technical means to solve that. With goodwill and hard work you can.
But Varadkar chose to stop that work because he/the EU believed - wrongly in my view - that they could reverse Brexit by creating an issue.
That is playing politics with peace.
(And @Scott_P feel free to disagree. But there’s little point in swearing or wilfully misunderstanding)
You may be right. So far the Tory conference reminds me of Romney's 2012 GOP convention, more like a business convention than a political conference. In the end of course it was Trump who got to the White House by winning the skilled working class, not Romney
Better to keep Ruth Davidson at Holyrood, on current polls the Tories will hold the balance of power at the next Scottish Parliament elections, no longer the Greens
When someone who always used to be pro-EU like Hunt suddenly starts making anti-EU pronouncements it doesn't sound very credible.
Indeed and he will have annoyed Tory Remainers while still not winning over enough Tory Leavers, if Tory members want a Leaver as Leader they will vote for a full Coke Boris or Mogg version not a Tesco's own brand diluted Hunt version
When someone who always used to be pro-EU like Hunt suddenly starts making anti-EU pronouncements it doesn't sound very credible.
Indeed and he will have annoyed Tory Remainers while still not winning over enough Tory Leavers, if Tory members want a Leaver as Leader they will vote for a full Coke Boris or Mogg version not a Tesco's own brand diluted Hunt version
Crazy world. The Conservatives are now anti-business, support hard Left policies like Brexit and their conference is full of extremists. It's like a mirror image of the eighties.
When someone who always used to be pro-EU like Hunt suddenly starts making anti-EU pronouncements it doesn't sound very credible.
Indeed and he will have annoyed Tory Remainers while still not winning over enough Tory Leavers, if Tory members want a Leaver as Leader they will vote for a full Coke Boris or Mogg version not a Tesco's own brand diluted Hunt version
Crazy world. The Conservatives are now anti-business, support hard Left policies like Brexit and their conference is full of extremists. It's like a mirror image of the eighties.
Bar Brexit, which the PM and Chancellor both campaigned against but a majority of British voters voted for, the Conservatives are not really anti business even if May on economics is more Merkel than Thatcher and less pro big business perhaps than Cameron, Osborne and Clegg.
Corbyn and McDonnell on the other hand are anti business, certainly big business.
Looks like Mrs May is about to make the DUP unhappy.
Good.
Are the DUP particularly bothered about border checks between NI and the Republic?
Surely it would be the republicans who would be most upset in that scenario.
Not so much as you might think. Many of the small town Protestant businessmen who support the DUP don’t want closed borders - deeply unhelpful for trade.
“The confirmation from Hammond that the U.K. would be forced to reinstall border controls on the island of Ireland will be met with dismay among Brexiteers who insist Britain could simply refuse to enforce border controls, leaving Dublin with the choice of whether or not to put up barriers.”
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
Reading the Politico piece it's the unavoidable consequence of a "No Deal". It's not what anyone wants to happen - it HAS to happen under WTO rules which will apply if we leave the EU without a deal.
It's nothing new - it's the continuation of Project Fear 2.0 which culminated in Carney really putting the fear of God up Middle England by telling them the value of their house might fall by a third.
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
I don’t think it was fair at all. One cannot possibly compare the human misery caused by the USSR to that of the EU, even in Greece.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
Yes it was. And even if it was "fair comment", did it advance, or set back the achievement of a deal? It certainly pissed off 3 countries. Since the job of the FS is to promote the interests of the U.K. overseas, it was, at the very least, Hunt being crap at his job. Regardless of how many points scored at Conference.
Which (as Mr Pedley points out in his previous tweet) gives the lie to the idea that all the Tories need is a new leader, and all their problems will be sorted. It's the policies that are the problem, not Mrs May's personality.
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
I don’t think it was fair at all. One cannot possibly compare the human misery caused by the USSR to that of the EU, even in Greece.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
While when you study what he actually said rather than what the media and a few not over-bright civil servants thought he said it isn't a particularly controversial statement, I can't help but feel he would have been on considerably safer ground if he'd said 'Warsaw Pact.'
As a non-political colleague of mine has just messaged me following watching coverage on TV...
"Boris only cares about Boris. Stupid thing is, he doesn't look like he is going to really further his career through this. just f*ck it up for everyone else."
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
I don’t think it was fair at all. One cannot possibly compare the human misery caused by the USSR to that of the EU, even in Greece.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
“The EU was set up to protect freedom. It was the Soviet Union that stopped people leaving.”
“If you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won’t diminish, it will grow, and we won’t be the only prisoner that will want to escape.”
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
I don’t think it was fair at all. One cannot possibly compare the human misery caused by the USSR to that of the EU, even in Greece.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
“The EU was set up to protect freedom. It was the Soviet Union that stopped people leaving.”
“If you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won’t diminish, it will grow, and we won’t be the only prisoner that will want to escape.”
I think that’s fair comment.
Totally agree.
Jeremy Hunt's measured comments were that of a Prime Minister in waiting.
They always do this to the great Tories, cf Thatcher's 'No such thing as society' observation.
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
I don’t think it was fair at all. One cannot possibly compare the human misery caused by the USSR to that of the EU, even in Greece.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
“The EU was set up to protect freedom. It was the Soviet Union that stopped people leaving.”
“If you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won’t diminish, it will grow, and we won’t be the only prisoner that will want to escape.”
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
Yes it was. And even if it was "fair comment", did it advance, or set back the achievement of a deal? It certainly pissed off 3 countries. Since the job of the FS is to promote the interests of the U.K. overseas, it was, at the very least, Hunt being crap at his job. Regardless of how many points scored at Conference.
How do you think the treatment of the UK by the EU27 at Salzburg went down? Do you think that helped May achieve a deal?
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
Yes it was. And even if it was "fair comment", did it advance, or set back the achievement of a deal? It certainly pissed off 3 countries. Since the job of the FS is to promote the interests of the U.K. overseas, it was, at the very least, Hunt being crap at his job. Regardless of how many points scored at Conference.
How do you think the treatment of the UK by the EU27 at Salzburg went down? Do you think that helped May achieve a deal?
They don’t like it up ‘em. Payback time.
‘Cos trading playground insults is going to make us great again ?
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
Yes it was. And even if it was "fair comment", did it advance, or set back the achievement of a deal? It certainly pissed off 3 countries. Since the job of the FS is to promote the interests of the U.K. overseas, it was, at the very least, Hunt being crap at his job. Regardless of how many points scored at Conference.
How do you think the treatment of the UK by the EU27 at Salzburg went down? Do you think that helped May achieve a deal?
They don’t like it up ‘em. Payback time.
‘Cos trading playground insults is going to make us great again ?
Insulting the nation of collaborators French makes me feel great, why not the nation?
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
You believe comparing the EU to the Soviet Union is fair comment? I can understand that some people would prefer us to be out if the EU but the attitude of some leavers to the EU is quite unhinged and irrational.
I care not whether it is offensive but it is plain wrong unless you are expecting EU tanks to start rolling up the Mall any time now. Give your head a wobble and try and bring a bit of common sense into your anti- EU nonsense.
The Conservative party really needs a few years in opposition to sort itself out. Feels very broken today.
Trouble is the opposition also need a few more years in opposition to sort themselves out. Perhaps we could just hand over the reins to the SNP in the meantime?
Yet again we find out from the EU that playing hardball is only allowed one-way.
But he wasn't "playing hardball" was he? He was making a gratuitously offensive comparison, designed to offend. Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen. So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It wasn’t offensive at all. It was fair comment.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
I don’t think it was fair at all. One cannot possibly compare the human misery caused by the USSR to that of the EU, even in Greece.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
“The EU was set up to protect freedom. It was the Soviet Union that stopped people leaving.”
“If you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won’t diminish, it will grow, and we won’t be the only prisoner that will want to escape.”
I think that’s fair comment.
Totally agree.
Jeremy Hunt's measured comments were that of a Prime Minister in waiting.
They always do this to the great Tories, cf Thatcher's 'No such thing as society' observation.
‘the great Tories’... your sense of humour is still operative, I see.
To be fair to Hunt, I think his point was clearly that the EU isn’t the USSR, but it was an ill thought out piece of rhetoric - particularly if he really wants to be PM, rather than just win the leadership.
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https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1046205073087299584
For some no doubt entirely innocent reason they seem to to have decided that it would have been counter-productive to try to provide evidence to the effect that he wasn't commemorating terrorists. I can't think why.
Surely being out of the cabinet, means no set piece speech?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/if-leaving-the-eu-truly-is-in-the-nation-s-interest-let-the-people-decide-a3950081.html?amp
His campaign emphasising Medicaid expansion (not quite universal healthcare, but you get the point), has the potential to reach across the party divide.
I'm beginning to think he has a decent chance.
CDU/CSU 27.7%
AfD 16.9%
SPD 16.8%
Greens 15.1%
Left 10.3%
FDP 8.9%
Others 4.2%
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahl_zum_20._Deutschen_Bundestag/Umfragen_und_Prognosen#Mittelwerte_der_Sonntagsfragen
The European Commission's chief spokesman responds to the Foreign Secretary's gaffe by saying 'he should open a history book'
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/brexit-jeremy-hunt-soviet-union-dirty-rats-backlash-against-red-october/amp/
The random dude that Republican Operative Ed Whelan decided really did the sexual assault on Dr Ford wasn't actually that random, Ford was going out with him at the time.
And the kicker is he was a friend of Brett Kavanaugh and is mentioned dozens of times on the famed calendars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc
Edit to add: 85
https://mobile.twitter.com/sohlstromt/status/1046764755892023296
So only about 8% would consider neither, most of them LDs
Given the USSR references of recent days, perhaps the Politburo were on to something having oldies in charge. Of course senility is not good and some women would have been a good idea....
https://youtu.be/tjeBxR_yOq4
David Herdson and Tissue Price have this right - once Brexit is concluded the conservatives will need to present a vision for the country that addresses people's concerns, and notably people's concerns in the marginal towns in the Midlands and North West. We know what these concerns are - housing and getting people on the housing ladder, strong fair policing that protects the public from genuine criminals, the NHS, a strong defence without being involved in endless wars that don't directly concern us, a more focused immigration policy, reducing benefits dependency. Ensuring that big business does not become too powerful - if you want to win votes in Tamworth, Nuneaton, Bolton and Bury then going on about big business cuts little ice, you need to be seen to be championing the many small businesses who employ the majority of the population here.
I see no evidence that May, Hammond, Digby Jones, Hunt remotely get this. They will ignore most or all of the above and the aspirational working class needed to win a majority will either be seduced by Corbyn's promise of freebies or stay at home. And Corbyn will win the next election. It depresses me that the current conservative government does not seem to recognise or care about this. For all his manifold faults Boris gets this and for now this voter is more bothered about ensuring Corbyn and McDonnell never get to operate the levers of power than who best reflects my wishes - the next Blair or Cameron would be fine with me personally, but it's clear the country has turned its back on the Third Way and sofa government.
If not Boris then who?
As always in Ireland symbolism is hugely important.
Without the consent of the Unionists a perceived division between the U.K. and NI is unacceptable. Similarly physical infrastructure at the RoI border is unacceptable to the nationalist community.
Hence the challenge: can you come up with technical means to solve that. With goodwill and hard work you can.
But Varadkar chose to stop that work because he/the EU believed - wrongly in my view - that they could reverse Brexit by creating an issue.
That is playing politics with peace.
(And @Scott_P feel free to disagree. But there’s little point in swearing or wilfully misunderstanding)
Can Chris Grayling Fly?
His marriage and his political career have both broken down. That can’t be easy.
I'll get my coat...
PS @Nigelb are you suggesting I make smutty puns? *arms akimbo and purses lips*
Good.
Corbyn and McDonnell on the other hand are anti business, certainly big business.
Surely it would be the republicans who would be most upset in that scenario.
Sounds like just another day on PB to be honest.
Furthermore, viewed from the Balitic States, whose agreement we will need for any deal, it is a comparison which would imply that the British government is totally ignorant of history, and worse, doesn't give a monkeys how such statements are seen.
So, not playing hardball, but ignoring the very basic tenets of any negotiation.
It's nothing new - it's the continuation of Project Fear 2.0 which culminated in Carney really putting the fear of God up Middle England by telling them the value of their house might fall by a third.
The EU isn’t negotiating in good faith and is seeking to make an example of the UK.
A much better comparison would have been to Austria-Hungary, which used to be called the ‘dungeon of nations’ by its enemies.
It certainly pissed off 3 countries. Since the job of the FS is to promote the interests of the U.K. overseas, it was, at the very least, Hunt being crap at his job.
Regardless of how many points scored at Conference.
"Boris only cares about Boris.
Stupid thing is, he doesn't look like he is going to really further his career through this.
just f*ck it up for everyone else."
Quite
“If you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won’t diminish, it will grow, and we won’t be the only prisoner that will want to escape.”
I think that’s fair comment.
Jeremy Hunt's measured comments were that of a Prime Minister in waiting.
They always do this to the great Tories, cf Thatcher's 'No such thing as society' observation.
“If you turn the EU club into a prison, the desire to get out won’t diminish, it will grow, and we won’t be the only prisoner that will want to escape.”
I think that’s fair comment.
They don’t like it up ‘em. Payback time.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1046395238011604992
I was relying on you to raise the tone (I could only come up with filth).
I care not whether it is offensive but it is plain wrong unless you are expecting EU tanks to start rolling up the Mall any time now. Give your head a wobble and try and bring a bit of common sense into your anti- EU nonsense.
To be fair to Hunt, I think his point was clearly that the EU isn’t the USSR, but it was an ill thought out piece of rhetoric - particularly if he really wants to be PM, rather than just win the leadership.