"If you wish to resign from the Cabinet, press...1 To instigate a vote of no confidence in Theresa May, press...2 If you are a member of the DUP and wish to discuss upcoming budget votes, press...3 For all other inquiries, please hold"
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
If I were May I think I would announce a referendum in NI this week to be held in early/mid November as to whether they want to ensure they remain in the SM and CU after Brexit or if they only want to Leave the EU on exactly the same terms as GB even if that means leaving the SM.
The DUP would be free to campaign for the latter option of course. She would only agree a Deal with the EU if the Referendum resulted in a Yes vote for staying in the SM and CU
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectarian division and potentially create a majority for a United Ireland as all the polling shows.
However I know you don't care about that, just as you don't care about Scotland leaving the UK, just as you don't care about crashing the economy with a No Deal Brexit
To be fair, Archer is with most Tory Leavers on not caring that Brexit might lead to the end of the Union. All the polling shows this. In the end, English nationalists care about England. Throw in a Labour party leadership (and membership, I’d hazard) that would clearly prefer a united Ireland and it could be the DUP ends up being its own worst enemy.
It’s a peculiar kind of nationalism that says the majority verdict of 12% of the nation (Scotland and NI) should trump the majority verdict of 88% of the nation (England and Wales).
If Brexit causes the Scots to go for independence, that is no-one’s decision but theirs. Then again, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this; it isn’t Leavers that have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the EU shows above all else is that we have a Union in which England is utterly dominant and that the wishes of other parts of the UK will always be subordinate. In the end that will spell the end of the affair. That is sad, but probably necessary.
Maybe you should keep reading - it might give you some insight to what the non-acolytes worry about....
I would like to vote against the govt, but I have no options for doing so because Labour is in such a mess.
Well they do have 600,000 members, an effective branch structure nearly everywhere outside Scotland, popular policies and in the last election got the biggest swing to a party since 1945. Okay they have lost some of their traditional base, are doing terribly in Scotland and their parliamentary representatives - through no fault of their own - have got out of step with the membership. But on the whole they aren't doing too badly.
If I were May I think I would announce a referendum in NI this week to be held in early/mid November as to whether they want to ensure they remain in the SM and CU after Brexit or if they only want to Leave the EU on exactly the same terms as GB even if that means leaving the SM.
The DUP would be free to campaign for the latter option of course. She would only agree a Deal with the EU if the Referendum resulted in a Yes vote for staying in the SM and CU
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectarian division and potentially create a majority for a United Ireland as all the polling shows.
However I know you don't care about that, just as you don't care about Scotland leaving the UK, just as you don't care about crashing the economy with a No Deal Brexit
To be fair, Archer is with most Tory Leavers on not caring that Brexit might lead to the end of the Union. All the polling shows this. In the end, English nationalists care about England. Throw in a Labour party leadership (and membership, I’d hazard) that would clearly prefer a united Ireland and it could be the DUP ends up being its own worst enemy.
It’s a peculiar kind of nationalism that says the majority verdict of 12% of the nation (Scotland and NI) should trump the majority verdict of 88% of the nation (England and Wales).
If Brexit causes the Scots to go for independence, that is no-one’s decision but theirs. Then again, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this; it isn’t Leavers that have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the EU shows above all else is that we have a Union in which England is utterly dominant and that the wishes of other parts of the UK will always be subordinate. In the end that will spell the end of the affair. That is sad, but probably necessary.
Is this the most depressing thread ever on PB?
A nation divided, confused and angry.
No that's the Tory party.
The problem is that in it efforts to end the Tory divide over Europe, the Tories have divided the rest of the nation.
In Bavaria CSU now projected to win 37.3%, Greens 17.7% and Free Voters 11%. Could be that a two party coalition could get a bare majority even if the FDP exceeds 5%.
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectarian division and potentially create a majority for a United Ireland as all the polling shows.
However I know you don't care about that, just as you don't care about Scotland leaving the UK, just as you don't care about crashing the economy with a No Deal Brexit
To be fair, Archer is with most Tory Leavers on not caring that Brexit might lead to the end of the Union. All the polling shows this. In the end, English nationalists care about England. Throw in a Labour party leadership (and membership, I’d hazard) that would clearly prefer a united Ireland and it could be the DUP ends up being its own worst enemy.
It’s a peculiar kind of nationalism that says the majority verdict of 12% of the nation (Scotland and NI) should trump the majority verdict of 88% of the nation (England and Wales).
If Brexit causes the Scots to go for independence, that is no-one’s decision but theirs. Then again, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this; it isn’t Leavers that have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the EU shows above all else is that we have a Union in which England is utterly dominant and that the wishes of other parts of the UK will always be subordinate. In the end that will spell the end of the affair. That is sad, but probably necessary.
Is this the most depressing thread ever on PB?
A nation divided, confused and angry.
No that's the Tory party.
The problem is that in it efforts to end the Tory divide over Europe, the Tories have divided the rest of the nation.
But have they though? I don't hear that many people talking about Brexit and even fewer expressing strong opinions on it.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectarian division and potentially create a majority for a United Ireland as all the polling shows.
However I know you don't care about that, just as you don't care about Scotland leaving the UK, just as you don't care about crashing the economy with a No Deal Brexit
To be fair, Archer is with most Tory Leavers on not caring that Brexit might lead to the end of the Union. All the polling shows this. In the end, English nationalists care about England. Throw in a Labour party leadership (and membership, I’d hazard) that would clearly prefer a united Ireland and it could be the DUP ends up being its own worst enemy.
It’s a peculiar kind of nationalism that says the majority verdict of 12% of the nation (Scotland and NI) should trump the majority verdict of 88% of the nation (England and Wales).
If Brexit causes the Scots to go for independence, that is no-one’s decision but theirs. Then again, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this; it isn’t Leavers that have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the
Is this the most depressing thread ever on PB?
A nation divided, confused and angry.
No that's the Tory party.
The problem is that in it efforts to end the Tory divide over Europe, the Tories have divided the rest of the nation.
But have they though? I don't hear that many people talking about Brexit and even fewer expressing strong opinions on it.
That is part of the divide, those that see Brexit as the defining issue of our times, and those who care little either way.
For many, it is politicians navel gazing while real concerns are ignored. Jezza managed to take advantage last year, more by luck than judgement.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
If I were May I think I would announce a referendum in NI this week to be held in early/mid November as to whether they want to ensure they remain in the SM and CU after Brexit or if they only want to Leave the EU on exactly the same terms as GB even if that means leaving the SM.
The DUP would be free to campaign for the latter option of course. She would only agree a Deal with the EU if the Referendum resulted in a Yes vote for staying in the SM and CU
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectarian division and potentially create a majority for a United Ireland as all the polling shows.
However I know you don't care about that, just as you don't care about Scotland leaving the UK, just as you don't care about crashing the economy with a No Deal Brexit
To be fair, Archer is with most Tory Leavers on not caring that Brexit might lead to the end of the Union. All the polling shows this. In the end, English nationalists care about England. Throw in a Labour party leadership (and membership, I’d hazard) that would clearly prefer a united Ireland and it could be the DUP ends up being its own worst enemy.
It’s a peculiar kind of nationalism that says the majority verdict of 12% of the nation (Scotland and NI) should trump the majority verdict of 88% of the nation (England and Wales).
If Brexit causes the Scots to go for independence, that is no-one’s decision but theirs. Then again, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this; it isn’t Leavers that have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the EU shows above all else is that we have a Union in which England is utterly dominant and that the wishes of other parts of the UK will always be subordinate. In the end that will spell the end of the affair. That is sad, but probably necessary.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
In Bavaria CSU now projected to win 37.3%, Greens 17.7% and Free Voters 11%. Could be that a two party coalition could get a bare majority even if the FDP exceeds 5%.
Indeed. Now it is CSU with FW, SPD, AfD or Greens as viable 2 party coalitions. Suspect it will be the former. Although CSU won't be happy anyway.
I was recently described as a member of the 'upper middle classes'.
I still haven't recovered.
Did you buy your own furniture? If I recall Alan Clarke correctly, that's the big thing...
I tend to be mystified by the English obsession with class, but I'm pretty sure Clark like to think of himself as upper rather than upper middle. Of course (as with so many other things) he may have been wrong about that, but I guess whatever social stratification Hesseltine resided in, AC was convinced he was above it.
Whatever else he may, or may not have been, socially, Alan Clarke certainly lacked any sort of class when it came to the treatment of women and particularly teenage girls.
Well, quite.
And, given that his family money came from trade, he was in no position to be snobbish about Heseltine. Or anyone else.
He was, on a personal level, a total shit.
But he did write some very good diaries.
Snobs are rarely charming.
True 'class' rarely has anything to do with birth, privilege or wealth. I have known people of true working-class with barely two ha'pennys to rub together who act with more dignity than others who see themselves as upper-class and superior.
IMO what matters is who you act towards others, especially those who are less fortunate in whatever way than yourself. That's something people who think themselves as 'upper-class' too often forget. Clark was a classic example. An odious man who could write well.
See also, Mr Johnson, B.
Indeed.
My aunts used to say that good manners were, fundamentally, about kindness to others.
Reminds me of times long ago when I was sent, unjustly, to detention
600 lines of
Manners maketh Man
True in the 1950's - true today
On which topic: that which detractors label 'political correctness' is usually no more than informed politeness.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
"If you wish to resign from the Cabinet, press...1 To instigate a vote of no confidence in Theresa May, press...2 If you are a member of the DUP and wish to discuss upcoming budget votes, press...3 For all other inquiries, please hold"
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
If I were May I think I would announce a referendum in NI this week to be held in early/mid November as to whether they want to ensure they remain in the SM and CU after Brexit or if they only want to Leave the EU on exactly the same terms as GB even if that means leaving the SM.
The DUP would be free to campaign for the latter option of course. She would only agree a Deal with the EU if the Referendum resulted in a Yes vote for staying in the SM and CU
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectt have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the EU shows above all else is that we have a Union in which England is utterly dominant and that the wishes of other parts of the UK will always be subordinate. In the end that will spell the end of the affair. That is sad, but probably necessary.
Is this the most depressing thread ever on PB?
A nation divided, confused and angry.
No that's the Tory party.
The problem is that in it efforts to end the Tory divide over Europe, the Tories have divided the rest of the nation.
TBH - there was a lot of anti EU feeling in the Country.
The tories just happened to be carrying the ball when the vote came.
I can think of another party who offered a vote, i'm sure you can too.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
The DUP would be free to campaign for the latter option of course. She would only agree a Deal with the EU if the Referendum resulted in a Yes vote for staying in the SM and CU
Yeah, because a referendum on whether NI should be economically separated from the Union is not likely to lead to sectarian division. Not smart.
It is creating a hard border in NI by taking the province out of the SM and CU that will create a sectarian division and potentially create a majority for a United Ireland as all the polling shows.
However I know you don't care about that, just as you don't care about Scotland leaving the UK, just as you don't care about crashing the economy with a No Deal Brexit
To be fair, Archer is with most Tory Leavers worst enemy.
It’s a peculiar kind of nationalism that says the majority verdict of 12% of the nation (Scotland and NI) should trump the majority verdict of 88% of the nation (England and Wales).
If Brexit causes the Scots to go for independence, that is no-one’s decision but theirs. Then again, I don’t know why I’m bothering to say this; it isn’t Leavers that have a problem with self-determination.
I'd put it slightly differently: I'm a passionate unionist but, if the only thing holding the union together today is our membership of the European Union, then our union died some time ago.
I think what leaving the EU shows above all else is that we have a Union in which England is utterly dominant and that the wishes of other parts of the UK will always be subordinate. In the end that will spell the end of the affair. That is sad, but probably necessary.
Labour’s unelectability under Corbyn contributes to the problem. Left of centre Scots know that he virtually guarantees an increasingly right wing, English nationalist Tory government in Westminster. Given that, what’s the argument for continuing to back the Union? Corbyn himself would be happy see an independent Scotland and delighted to see a united Ireland.
"Labour’s unelectability under Corbyn"
Stopped reading there TBF
There's the possibility he might be on to something?
OT. Just been in the packed centre of Nice and there was a busker singing the best rendition of New York New York I've ever heard. People were dancing and singing along in an accent that would even make Liam Fox melt.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
If only she'd stuck with David Davis and hadn't been drawn in by Robbins.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
Someone trying to ramp the pressure on May bullshitting to the type of journalist who also likes giving her a hard time, but they have no evidence as this thing is wisely kept secret. Truth is we are on the verge of May getting her loyalists to get the letters in as a means of giving the ERG a damn good thrashing. Ref, Carlotta’s previous avatar.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
Someone trying to ramp the pressure on May bullshitting to the type of journalist who also likes giving her a hard time, but they have no evidence as this thing is wisely kept secret. Truth is we are on the verge of May getting her loyalists to get the letters in as a means of giving the ERG a damn good thrashing. Ref, Carlotta’s previous avatar.
Shipman's source. But he's also been told other things.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
If only she'd stuck with David Davis and hadn't been drawn in by Robbins.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup. The religious police who beat women for clothes violations would have to get proper jobs
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup.
I read this scrolling upwards and thought you were talking about toppling May.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup.
I read this scrolling upwards and thought you were talking about toppling May.
As a matter of interest how do you change it to scrolling upwards ?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup.
I read this scrolling upwards and thought you were talking about toppling May.
As a matter of interest how do you change it to scrolling upwards ?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
Great map, but weird that there is no option to be Northern Irish for people of NI. Surely a certain slice of the population identity as NI rather than Ireland or Britain?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup. The religious police who beat women for clothes violations would have to get proper jobs
Whilst I would not shed many tears, the coup is more likely to be by hardline Wahabists than progressive forces. The Saudis are likely to get some blowback themselves.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup.
I read this scrolling upwards and thought you were talking about toppling May.
As a matter of interest how do you change it to scrolling upwards ?
Use the up arrow instead of the down arrow?
Not sure how that puts the newest post on top. I am using vanilla as the tweets do not work on my samsung tablet
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
If only she'd stuck with David Davis and hadn't been drawn in by Robbins.
An alternative view is Robbins went off-piste.
I have absolutely no idea.
Indeed, I am losing the will to live over all this, and I am, along with many PBers a political obsessive.
Boris personal propaganda broad sheet. I just do not understand Boris or Davis thinking but then that has been absent throughout their time in the cabinet
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
“Anything I missed?”
Alpaca.
Sherpas led by Donkeys so yesterday. Tomorrow is Alpaca.
No belching, no farting destroying the planet. They can’t even bite. And Alpaca meat is one of the healthiest and most flavourful meat’s in the world. The meat is lean, tender, and rich in proteins, but also low in fat & has the lowest level of cholesterol of any meat. To taste it is akin to a succulent cut of beef, but with a hint of sweetness.
Some of them in this vice video would be quite splendid in a casserole. In a bun. Or just stuffed in a pepper.
And you can lay there at night in the winter, with your silky socks on, thinking of her flashing her pretty eyelashes at you, all the good times you had together. Well, the likes of Alan Clarke probably would.
Forget about political betting, invest what you can in Alpacas.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup.
I read this scrolling upwards and thought you were talking about toppling May.
As a matter of interest how do you change it to scrolling upwards ?
Use the up arrow instead of the down arrow?
Not sure how that puts the newest post on top. I am using vanilla as the tweets do not work on my samsung tablet
Ah, I’m reading on the regular site. I don’t know if you can flip the order on vanilla.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup. The religious police who beat women for clothes violations would have to get proper jobs
Whilst I would not shed many tears, the coup is more likely to be by hardline Wahabists than progressive forces. The Saudis are likely to get some blowback themselves.
And indeed it would be unlikely to be the end of the House of Saud. Palace Coup is, I feel, the appropriate phrase. Roll back the progressive (by Saudi standards), domestic reforms, and be a little more conventional and predictable overseas. With a Prince in charge, as ever, to allow his relatives to raid the treasury as before.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
I have planned a trip to the EU in Feb, but am holding back plans for later in the year.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
It would be difficult to think of a regime more deserving of a coup.
I read this scrolling upwards and thought you were talking about toppling May.
As a matter of interest how do you change it to scrolling upwards ?
Use the up arrow instead of the down arrow?
Not sure how that puts the newest post on top. I am using vanilla as the tweets do not work on my samsung tablet
Ah, I’m reading on the regular site. I don’t know if you can flip the order on vanilla.
Thanks William. I do usually but for some reason the tweets etc do not embed in the posts
Also, OT, just watched last week's documentary on the RBS crash... thank God it was Brown and Darling in the hot seats in 2008. Had this current mob been in power the economy would have frozen on 8 October 2008 while they spent the next two years arguing over what to do about it.
I was recently described as a member of the 'upper middle classes'.
I still haven't recovered.
Did you buy your own furniture? If I recall Alan Clarke correctly, that's the big thing...
I tend to be mystified by the English obsession with class, but I'm pretty sure Clark like to think of himself as upper rather than upper middle. Of course (as with so many other things) he may have been wrong about that, but I guess whatever social stratification Hesseltine resided in, AC was convinced he was above it.
Whatever else he may, or may not have been, socially, Alan Clarke certainly lacked any sort of class when it came to the treatment of women and particularly teenage girls.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
Because any issues will be minor and transitory
I hope we never find out, but if we do I hope I am wrong and I'll be happy to acknowledge it in that case.
I look forward to you admitting the error of your judgement when No Deal proves to be a complete sh*tstorm - it will be a very small compensation.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
An anecdote summary from some extended family who visited this weekend. And although they mainly all scan the papers and catch the news headlines, are not political types. Swing voters, pretty middle England, liked Blair/Brown, hate Corbyn, respect John Major etc etc.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
Alternatively this could be part of an elaborate attempt to force the EU to drop the permanent backstop. I struggle to believe May really thought she could railroad a permanent CU though.
May - "Look I tried really hard to accept the backstop , but the DUP / ERG won't let me, I've got no way of passing the Withdrawal bill with it in"
Your choice EU27 , give up on the backstop for ever plan , or it'll be a no deal Brexit.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
Was in Shipman's article this morning.
But, 1922 chair has said he will go back to owners of some older letters and check they still mean it.
If May goes, it will be because she can no longer command a Cabinet, not the letters.
An anecdote summary from some extended family who visited this weekend. And although they mainly all scan the papers and catch the news headlines, are not political types. Swing voters, pretty middle England, liked Blair/Brown, hate Corbyn, respect John Major etc etc.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
Very interesting and entirely plausable
I think many on here and in her party underestimate how the public view her and the impossible job she has.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
Was in Shipman's article this morning.
But, 1922 chair has said he will go back to owners of some older letters and check they still mean it.
If May goes, it will be because she can no longer command a Cabinet, not the letters.
Hearing that 44 letters have been submitted to the 1922 committee just 4 short but can't find a source for that other than the Mirror which itself doesn't give a source. Anyone know if this is the case or not, or who has claimed this?
Was in Shipman's article this morning.
But, 1922 chair has said he will go back to owners of some older letters and check they still mean it.
If May goes, it will be because she can no longer command a Cabinet, not the letters.
As has been discussed before they'd be stupid to put in 48 letters, as they'd lose the vote and she'd be safe for 12 months. When you come for the king you best not miss.
The only real way to get rid of May quickly would be for her to lose a commons vonc. With the inherent risks of that going very wrong.
An anecdote summary from some extended family who visited this weekend. And although they mainly all scan the papers and catch the news headlines, are not political types. Swing voters, pretty middle England, liked Blair/Brown, hate Corbyn, respect John Major etc etc.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
Very interesting and entirely plausable
I think many on here and in her party underestimate how the public view her and the impossible job she has.
Replacing her is no silver bullet
Indeed.
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
Because any issues will be minor and transitory
I hope we never find out, but if we do I hope I am wrong and I'll be happy to acknowledge it in that case.
I look forward to you admitting the error of your judgement when No Deal proves to be a complete sh*tstorm - it will be a very small compensation.
Because the kind of outcomes posited by the more ludicrous Remainers would be tantamount to a declaration of war by the EU. Ain’t gonna happen
An anecdote summary from some extended family who visited this weekend. And although they mainly all scan the papers and catch the news headlines, are not political types. Swing voters, pretty middle England, liked Blair/Brown, hate Corbyn, respect John Major etc etc.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
Very interesting and entirely plausable
I think many on here and in her party underestimate how the public view her and the impossible job she has.
Replacing her is no silver bullet
Indeed.
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
I think the photograph of her standing to the side with her red jacket while the hoards of male EU leaders bore down on her was just terrible for the EU, along with Tusk's childish offering of cake with no cherries. Utterly crass and insensitive, especially as she is diabetic
An anecdote summary from some extended family who visited this weekend. And although they mainly all scan the papers and catch the news headlines, are not political types. Swing voters, pretty middle England, liked Blair/Brown, hate Corbyn, respect John Major etc etc.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
Very interesting and entirely plausable
I think many on here and in her party underestimate how the public view her and the impossible job she has.
Replacing her is no silver bullet
Indeed.
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
I think the photograph of her standing to the side with her red jacket while the hoards of male EU leaders bore down on her was just terrible for the EU, along with Tusk's childish offering of cake with no cherries. Utterly crass and insensitive, especially as she is diabetic
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
Pretty much. I think May's play now is to put something on the table which doesn't get her VONCed or have the DUP bring down the government, then hope that Labour rebels outnumber the Tory/DUP rebels on the big vote. But she seems to be struggling to even complete part 1 of that cunning plan.
We really seem to be approaching the event horizon now and I'm struggling to see what lies beyond. It's not impossible that the above will pan out, but it's looking less and less likely.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
Alternatively this could be part of an elaborate attempt to force the EU to drop the permanent backstop. I struggle to believe May really thought she could railroad a permanent CU though.
May - "Look I tried really hard to accept the backstop , but the DUP / ERG won't let me, I've got no way of passing the Withdrawal bill with it in"
Your choice EU27 , give up on the backstop for ever plan , or it'll be a no deal Brexit.
What is it that makes you think that May is capable of subtlety or flexibility?
An anecdote summary from some extended family who visited this weekend. And although they mainly all scan the papers and catch the news headlines, are not political types. Swing voters, pretty middle England, liked Blair/Brown, hate Corbyn, respect John Major etc etc.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
Very interesting and entirely plausable
I think many on here and in her party underestimate how the public view her and the impossible job she has.
Replacing her is no silver bullet
Indeed.
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
I think the photograph of her standing to the side with her red jacket while the hoards of male EU leaders bore down on her was just terrible for the EU, along with Tusk's childish offering of cake with no cherries. Utterly crass and insensitive, especially as she is diabetic
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
Interesting that they picked up on that bit specifically, which was just a fluke of the venue and logistics, rather than the substantive things around Chequers being rejected.
May's been outside the room for part of the Council meetings ever since 2016 so that was nothing new.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
I think all these things will be useful in any event.
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
Interesting that they picked up on that bit specifically, which was just a fluke of the venue and logistics, rather than the substantive things around Chequers being rejected.
May's been outside the room for part of the Council meetings ever since 2016 so that was nothing new.
But that's my point. We all know masses of detail. Most voters do not.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
I think all these things will be useful in any event.
I am stockpiling on food. Spare room is slowly being filled.
Let's hope my friends are right and I am a pessimistic nutjob...
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
Because any issues will be minor and transitory
I hope we never find out, but if we do I hope I am wrong and I'll be happy to acknowledge it in that case.
I look forward to you admitting the error of your judgement when No Deal proves to be a complete sh*tstorm - it will be a very small compensation.
Because the kind of outcomes posited by the more ludicrous Remainers would be tantamount to a declaration of war by the EU. Ain’t gonna happen
There really has been some utterly hysterical bollocks spouted on here and tbf in the media about what will happen.
Brexit talks reached a dramatic stand-off in Brussels on Sunday night, after Theresa May warned that a draft treaty to take Britain out of the EU was a “non-starter” and risked tearing her government apart.
Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
Let's just review what has happened. May briefed Robbins to make yet more concessions to get a deal, based on an indefinite CU backstop. May had no Cabinet backing for such a huge concession and had never discussed this with her senior ministers. She calls in a handpicked team of ministers on Thursday and is apparently stunned to find out that locking the UK into the CU forever might be a bit of a problem. Nobody seems to have bothered to clear this with the DUP, on whom her majority depends.
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
Alternatively this could be part of an elaborate attempt to force the EU to drop the permanent backstop. I struggle to believe May really thought she could railroad a permanent CU though.
May - "Look I tried really hard to accept the backstop , but the DUP / ERG won't let me, I've got no way of passing the Withdrawal bill with it in"
Your choice EU27 , give up on the backstop for ever plan , or it'll be a no deal Brexit.
Except it won't as every poll conducted on a No Deal Brexit shows a majority of voters will not accept it
Any chance of the SPD pulling out of this tailspin? As an outsider it seems like if they wait until the next schedule elections there may not be much of an SPD left.
Also, OT, just watched last week's documentary on the RBS crash... thank God it was Brown and Darling in the hot seats in 2008. Had this current mob been in power the economy would have frozen on 8 October 2008 while they spent the next two years arguing over what to do about it.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
Because any issues will be minor and transitory
But the media will howl and howl about how bad things are.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
Because any issues will be minor and transitory
I hope we never find out, but if we do I hope I am wrong and I'll be happy to acknowledge it in that case.
I look forward to you admitting the error of your judgement when No Deal proves to be a complete sh*tstorm - it will be a very small compensation.
Because the kind of outcomes posited by the more ludicrous Remainers would be tantamount to a declaration of war by the EU. Ain’t gonna happen
There really has been some utterly hysterical bollocks spouted on here and tbf in the media about what will happen.
So. How should individuals prepare for a No Deal Brexit?
- Replenish the larder - No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019 - Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies - Get bicycles into good working order. - Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March - Plant winter veg - Stock up on candles and cardigans - Avoid Kent - Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Buy a blanket to hide your blushes when none of this proves necessary
... because No Deal won't happen, or because No Deal won't cause any issues?
Because any issues will be minor and transitory
I hope we never find out, but if we do I hope I am wrong and I'll be happy to acknowledge it in that case.
I look forward to you admitting the error of your judgement when No Deal proves to be a complete sh*tstorm - it will be a very small compensation.
Because the kind of outcomes posited by the more ludicrous Remainers would be tantamount to a declaration of war by the EU. Ain’t gonna happen
There really has been some utterly hysterical bollocks spouted on here and tbf in the media about what will happen.
Any chance of the SPD pulling out of this tailspin? As an outsider it seems like if they wait until the next schedule elections there may not be much of an SPD left.
There is some interesting polling on the ZDF election site previously linked to. The SPD are winning their votes from the old. Greens from the young. Indeed the Greens were only 2% behind CSU amongst under 30s. They are rapidly being replaced as the left of centre party.
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Mrs May despatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to the current terms for Britain’s exit at a European Council meeting on Wednesday.
Mr Raab returned home after tense talks with Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, lasting only an hour; no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.
EU leaders may conclude there is not sufficient progress to justify proceeding to a special Brexit summit in November to seal a deal, leaving talks in limbo and Britain heading towards an economically damaging “no deal” exit next March.
https://www.ft.com/content/e5ecd62a-cfcc-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5
For many, it is politicians navel gazing while real concerns are ignored. Jezza managed to take advantage last year, more by luck than judgement.
- Replenish the larder
- No holidays abroad post 30/3/2019
- Move investments abroad or into non-sterling currencies
- Get bicycles into good working order.
- Get delivery of my new kitchen (from Dutch suppliers) well before March
- Plant winter veg
- Stock up on candles and cardigans
- Avoid Kent
- Prepare cutting remarks for any Tory canvassers knocking on my door
As an EU citizen do I get special priority for food / medicine parcels from the EU?
Anything I've missed?
Robbins apparently keeps negotiating regardless. The EU leak that a deal is ready. And then, when the officials have agreed it, Raab runs over to Brussels to basically tell Barnier that there is no way politically May can sign up to what she has told her officials to negotiate.
What an utter, utter shambles. May needs to resign. Now.
Suspect it will be the former. Although CSU won't be happy anyway.
I suspect that Brexit will be not with a bang, but rather a whimper, but who really knows?
I think Saudi may be what the rest of the world is interested in over the next weeks. Are we ready for the fall of the House of Saud? Rumours of a coup brewing.
OT. Just been in the packed centre of Nice and there was a busker singing the best rendition of New York New York I've ever heard. People were dancing and singing along in an accent that would even make Liam Fox melt.
God I loathe these English Nationalists.....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/14/remaining-eus-customs-union-would-disastrous-surrender-country/
If you're talking about a coup, you're losing.
Great map, but weird that there is no option to be Northern Irish for people of NI. Surely a certain slice of the population identity as NI rather than Ireland or Britain?
I have absolutely no idea.
Indeed, I am losing the will to live over all this, and I am, along with many PBers a political obsessive.
Alpaca.
Sherpas led by Donkeys so yesterday. Tomorrow is Alpaca.
No belching, no farting destroying the planet. They can’t even bite. And Alpaca meat is one of the healthiest and most flavourful meat’s in the world. The meat is lean, tender, and rich in proteins, but also low in fat & has the lowest level of cholesterol of any meat. To taste it is akin to a succulent cut of beef, but with a hint of sweetness.
Some of them in this vice video would be quite splendid in a casserole. In a bun. Or just stuffed in a pepper.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bwL7xUC6LqQ
And you can lay there at night in the winter, with your silky socks on, thinking of her flashing her pretty eyelashes at you, all the good times you had together. Well, the likes of Alan Clarke probably would.
Forget about political betting, invest what you can in Alpacas.
Hope this helps
Discuss.
Still, punditry of that nature does look very easy.
Roll back the progressive (by Saudi standards), domestic reforms, and be a little more conventional and predictable overseas.
With a Prince in charge, as ever, to allow his relatives to raid the treasury as before.
Also, OT, just watched last week's documentary on the RBS crash... thank God it was Brown and Darling in the hot seats in 2008. Had this current mob been in power the economy would have frozen on 8 October 2008 while they spent the next two years arguing over what to do about it.
https://www.landtagswahl2018.bayern.de/index.html#anker
He was in a class of his own...
I look forward to you admitting the error of your judgement when No Deal proves to be a complete sh*tstorm - it will be a very small compensation.
1. Off the scale angry at the way May was treated at the Salzburg meeting. I mean really really pissed at how she, and therefore UK, was treated and the bad photos of her standing alone. (I had no idea how bad the optics of this looked to the average voter).
2. Some were Remainers who are now heading to Leave, because of a feeling that EU are being bullies and not dealing with us well. "Perhaps the UK made the right decision after all"
3. Don't trust Boris, think he is in it for himself.
4. Think the red bus was a pack of lies, although at the time they were at least prepared to give the idea the NHS would get more money a listen.
5. Blame Boris exclusively for No.4 i.e. it was the Boris bus. He designed it. It was his idea.
6. Respect and like May and feel she is in an impossible situation and this is not helped by Boris and his scheming. She is "doing her duty".
7. Like reading articles by leading Leavers who argue that it will be great and there is nothing to worry about (but only because they feel that without these viewpoints they would not be sleeping at night).
8. Not convinced by my arguments that this is an economic disaster we have brought upon ourselves. They blame EU far more than UK.
May - "Look I tried really hard to accept the backstop , but the DUP / ERG won't let me, I've got no way of passing the Withdrawal bill with it in"
Your choice EU27 , give up on the backstop for ever plan , or it'll be a no deal Brexit.
If May goes, it will be because she can no longer command a Cabinet, not the letters.
I think many on here and in her party underestimate how the public view her and the impossible job she has.
Replacing her is no silver bullet
The only real way to get rid of May quickly would be for her to lose a commons vonc.
With the inherent risks of that going very wrong.
As ever, when I engage with people who do not spend hours on PB, or read newspapers from cover to cover, I am amazed at how important glancing optics are e.g. the photo of May standing alone at EU conference.
Anyway time to go
Have a good nights rest everyone
Good night folks
We really seem to be approaching the event horizon now and I'm struggling to see what lies beyond. It's not impossible that the above will pan out, but it's looking less and less likely.
As we all know "Nothing has changed!"
May's been outside the room for part of the Council meetings ever since 2016 so that was nothing new.
Let's hope my friends are right and I am a pessimistic nutjob...
Yes Faizal Islam - I am looking at you.
Gordon really didn't save the world.
https://twitter.com/silviacastagna/status/1051587031401414656?s=19
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1051105273081946112?s=19
https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1051565913013710853?s=20
Has he not heard that most of his party have completely lost their heads?