The problem, as far as the DUP is concerned, is that the whole thing stems from the Treaty of Rome. Therefore an extreme negative view is the default position.
I suspect for the DUP it’s not so much the Treaty of Rome 1957, as the break with Rome 1536. I wonder if Brussels has quite worked out it may as well be in 1690 as 2018 and that’s what they are dealing with.
That said the DUP, for all their faults, are consistent and have an entirely logical position, they wish to be in the U.K. , U.K. single market and all, and handing them over without the consent of NI to the EU SM over which they would have no say is democratic non starter. If they are to pay customs dues to Brussels it’s taxation without representation. And that tends to lead to trouble for those trying to do the taxing.
I don’t think 1536 comes into it; it’s more John Knox.
I'd argue they don't have to get any new converts to win. They merely need the Tories to lose votes. Whether to UKIP, the Lib Dems, the Greens, a new party, or even just sitting on their hands at home, it doesn't matter.
For example, if you got exactly the same votes for everyone other than the Tories, and the Tories lost 2 million votes:
Tories lose 41 seats to Labour, 3 to the Lib Dems, 2 to the SNP.
Con 271 Lab 303 SNP 37 LD 15
That on its own would make Labour favourite to take 10 Downing Street. Given as well that many of the SNP/Labour seats are very close in terms of majority, a handful of SNP voters staying home could put Corbyn very close to going over the top - with not a single extra vote being won.
I don't think Labour has anything like the appeal that it had on June 8th last year. I'm in what could be the tightest constituency in the UK and have tactically voted in the past two elections. that won't happen again.
Do you mean Mike that you voted for Corbyn at the last election and against free markets? And you a Liberal Democrat!
If there’s an election campaign both the LibDems and the Greens will get a lot more attention. That might change the picture somewhat.
The LibDems should get less broadcasting time allocated to them at the next election on account of their poor performances in both 2015 & 2017. They are also unlikely to qualify for as many PPBs as in recent elections.
But they will be at the debates, and an appearance at one leaders' debate is potentially worth fifty PPBs. (Indeed, the time has really come to scrap PPBs, which are pointless in the age of social media and multi-channel-TV).
There is also a case for restricting social media activity but while both parties think they have an advantage there, it won't happen.
I don't think that's possible, and it's probably not desirable. Social media is the equivalent of the press, not the electronic media in the monopoly era. There was a good argument for having enforced neutrality on the BBC/ITV when they were the only two providers of TV services, and when the BBC dominated the radio; I'm doubtful that there's a good argument any more, other than that changing it could produce a race to the bottom with the likes of Fox News and RT.
That said, regulation of all forms of media is in need of reform and there is a case for bringing all under the same legally-enforceable code.
The problem, as far as the DUP is concerned, is that the whole thing stems from the Treaty of Rome. Therefore an extreme negative view is the default position.
I suspect for the DUP it’s not so much the Treaty of Rome 1957, as the break with Rome 1536. I wonder if Brussels has quite worked out it may as well be in 1690 as 2018 and that’s what they are dealing with.
That said the DUP, for all their faults, are consistent and have an entirely logical position, they wish to be in the U.K. , U.K. single market and all, and handing them over without the consent of NI to the EU SM over which they would have no say is democratic non starter. If they are to pay customs dues to Brussels it’s taxation without representation. And that tends to lead to trouble for those trying to do the taxing.
I don’t think 1536 comes into it; it’s more John Knox.
Take your point. I’m sure he could bellow from a pulpit with the best of them.
The problem, as far as the DUP is concerned, is that the whole thing stems from the Treaty of Rome. Therefore an extreme negative view is the default position.
Did we get any of those 4 things? I must have missed the Antichrist.
Would everything really be so bad under the antichrist? Would rail fares and timetables be as bad? Would the Brexit negotiation really be so bad if led by the whore of Babylon? Would they duck leadership debates, or ride in on a seven headed beast and steal the show?
Mr. Slackbladder, perhaps "an inability to get anything agreed let alone win a vote on it means an inability to get anything agreed let alone win a vote on it"?
I'd argue they don't have to get any new converts to win. They merely need the Tories to lose votes. Whether to UKIP, the Lib Dems, the Greens, a new party, or even just sitting on their hands at home, it doesn't matter.
For example, if you got exactly the same votes for everyone other than the Tories, and the Tories lost 2 million votes:
Tories lose 41 seats to Labour, 3 to the Lib Dems, 2 to the SNP.
Con 271 Lab 303 SNP 37 LD 15
That on its own would make Labour favourite to take 10 Downing Street. Given as well that many of the SNP/Labour seats are very close in terms of majority, a handful of SNP voters staying home could put Corbyn very close to going over the top - with not a single extra vote being won.
I don't think Labour has anything like the appeal that it had on June 8th last year. I'm in what could be the tightest constituency in the UK and have tactically voted in the past two elections. that won't happen again.
Do you mean Mike that you voted for Corbyn at the last election and against free markets? And you a Liberal Democrat!
As I recorded at the time I did a vote swap with an old Labour friend who lives is Twickenham. Both that seat and Bedford were CON losses.
If there’s an election campaign both the LibDems and the Greens will get a lot more attention. That might change the picture somewhat.
The LibDems should get less broadcasting time allocated to them at the next election on account of their poor performances in both 2015 & 2017. They are also unlikely to qualify for as many PPBs as in recent elections.
But they will be at the debates, and an appearance at one leaders' debate is potentially worth fifty PPBs. (Indeed, the time has really come to scrap PPBs, which are pointless in the age of social media and multi-channel-TV).
Why should they attend the debates
They have between 1/3 and 1/4 of the votes of the 2 largest parties. They have less than 10% of the MPs of the 2 largest and are substantially smaller than the SNP and about the same size as the DUP
The EU really is badly advised on domestic UK politics. Got it wrong on Cameron's renegotiation, getting wrong on the Article 50 process. Who's talking to them - our civil service?
Who`s talking to the EU? Only the people at the top of the Conservative Party, none of whom has a clue about the real world, and all seem to think that whatever they wish for will be given them. Spoilt brats! And they are certainly not well briefed. How about that idiot talking about acquiring Irish nationality! A leading Tory!
It really is shit or get off the pot. She can't delay reality any longer - the other leaders have already had to be told the UK haven't got anything to talk about at this week's summit. So surely one of a few remaining options
1. Delusion. "I am going to cross my arms and stamp my feet and say "shan't. Then we'll win" 2. Desperation. "We are going to stay in the EEA/CU and MPs either have to accept this or I will put it to the people" 3. Resignation. "I cannot reach an agreement that will honour the deal. I am therefore going to Her Majesty at the conclusion of this statement and resign as PM" 4. Annihilation. "The EU are beasts. There can be no deal and leaving the EU with No Deal is now the policy of this government"
Option 1 it was. At which point does she get removed from the pot to allow Boris Johnson to try and move his bowels instead?
If this is true then why haven't they made so much more if it since last December when it was agreed?
Because it was changed in December to all U.K.
The EU has gone back on the agreement and May has caved
The EU never agreed to all UK.
In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market.
If there’s an election campaign both the LibDems and the Greens will get a lot more attention. That might change the picture somewhat.
The LibDems should get less broadcasting time allocated to them at the next election on account of their poor performances in both 2015 & 2017. They are also unlikely to qualify for as many PPBs as in recent elections.
But they will be at the debates, and an appearance at one leaders' debate is potentially worth fifty PPBs. (Indeed, the time has really come to scrap PPBs, which are pointless in the age of social media and multi-channel-TV).
There is also a case for restricting social media activity but while both parties think they have an advantage there, it won't happen.
I don't think that's possible, and it's probably not desirable. Social media is the equivalent of the press, not the electronic media in the monopoly era. There was a good argument for having enforced neutrality on the BBC/ITV when they were the only two providers of TV services, and when the BBC dominated the radio; I'm doubtful that there's a good argument any more, other than that changing it could produce a race to the bottom with the likes of Fox News and RT.
That said, regulation of all forms of media is in need of reform and there is a case for bringing all under the same legally-enforceable code.
The PEB quotas went hand-in-hand with a bar on paid television advertising and spending limits generally and those wheels have come off. Email, Tweets and Likes are effectively free, and Facebook and Youtube videos are in essence targeted television adverts.
If this is true then why haven't they made so much more if it since last December when it was agreed?
Because it was changed in December to all U.K.
The EU has gone back on the agreement and May has caved
The EU never agreed to all UK.
In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market.
If this is true then why haven't they made so much more if it since last December when it was agreed?
Because it was changed in December to all U.K.
The EU has gone back on the agreement and May has caved
The EU never agreed to all UK.
In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market.
Corbyn being pretty clear that there is a deal Labour would support. Not sure that will play too well with his MPs and supporters who don't want Brexit at all.
If this is true then why haven't they made so much more if it since last December when it was agreed?
Because it was changed in December to all U.K.
The EU has gone back on the agreement and May has caved
The EU never agreed to all UK.
In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market.
Its been interesting watching the Irish govt. Normally they dont say much but today has been full of dire warnings. They sound rattled.
Normally they dont have much contact with the DUP, their style is to go over their heads and paddywhack the english. Now they are facing the real McCoy and are having to solve a totally avoidable problem of their own making. The DUP will take more delight in screwing the Irish economy if they can.
Its been interesting watching the Irish govt. Normally they dont say much but today has been full of dire warnings. They sound rattled.
Normally they dont have much contact with the DUP, their style is to go over their heads and paddywhack the english. Now they are facing the real McCoy and are having to solve a totally avoidable problem of their own making. The DUP will take more delight in screwing the Irish economy if they can.
Leo is having dinner with Arlene tonight.....should be fun....
He's still in cake and eat it mode.... which is idiotic.
It's fine for an opposition - or indeed a third party - until you come up against the reality of government.
There's a reason that most of the cabinet and pretty much all of the shadow cabinet were in favour of Remain, while Leave were led by people who'd by and large never held high national office.
Its been interesting watching the Irish govt. Normally they dont say much but today has been full of dire warnings. They sound rattled.
Normally they dont have much contact with the DUP, their style is to go over their heads and paddywhack the english. Now they are facing the real McCoy and are having to solve a totally avoidable problem of their own making. The DUP will take more delight in screwing the Irish economy if they can.
Leo is having dinner with Arlene tonight.....should be fun....
Will Arlene ask for Cheddar Cheese and Pineapple on a stick? 😂
Its been interesting watching the Irish govt. Normally they dont say much but today has been full of dire warnings. They sound rattled.
Normally they dont have much contact with the DUP, their style is to go over their heads and paddywhack the english. Now they are facing the real McCoy and are having to solve a totally avoidable problem of their own making. The DUP will take more delight in screwing the Irish economy if they can.
Leo is having dinner with Arlene tonight.....should be fun....
Whether her government survives that announcement remains to be seen. Will Labour ask for a vote of no confidence? They probably should.
Who might vote against the Gov't if Labour do ask for the vote ?
Tory MPs who think a no deal outcome is completely against the national interest and should not be the policy of the government. I'm thinking Clarke, Soubry, Grieve, etc. It really won't take many.
Clarke has fought against socialism his entire life. He’s not going to help usher it in now
Government benches noticeably fuller than the opposition's - though of course some of the Scottish MPs will have had further to travel, so may not have been able to get back in time.
Sounds like the Government have pulled all business after the ministerial statements - the first (well latest) sign of the parliamentary party fragmenting?
Sounds like the Government have pulled all business after the ministerial statements - the first (well latest) sign of the parliamentary party fragmenting?
No, just that May is going to be answering questions for hours yet.
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Does this man, Michal Tusk, look like an antichrist to you?
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8f/0c/bb/z12258447V,Michal-Tusk.jpg
Honestly he looks like a competitor on The Apprentice, which is good enough for me.
That said, regulation of all forms of media is in need of reform and there is a case for bringing all under the same legally-enforceable code.
It's an impossible job, but kicking the can can't go on and blaming others isn't helpful.
Hey ho.
She has fucked up royally, is continuing to fuck it up and needs to go.
Sorry for the profanity. But it is just embarrassing what our pitiful political class is doing to us.
SHE IS ACTUALLY PRETENDING THAT EVERYTHING IS FINE
Please, for the love of jiggling fuck, somebody please VONC her now.
https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/1051808304236781569
The EU has gone back on the agreement and May has caved
They have between 1/3 and 1/4 of the votes of the 2 largest parties. They have less than 10% of the MPs of the 2 largest and are substantially smaller than the SNP and about the same size as the DUP
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_report.pdf
Not sure that will play too well with his MPs and supporters who don't want Brexit at all.
So if Corbyn beleives what he said he's both a liar and stupid.
Which he is....
Normally they dont have much contact with the DUP, their style is to go over their heads and paddywhack the english. Now they are facing the real McCoy and are having to solve a totally avoidable problem of their own making. The DUP will take more delight in screwing the Irish economy if they can.
Theresa is an idiot.
Don't be like Theresa.
enough of europe for me...
There's a reason that most of the cabinet and pretty much all of the shadow cabinet were in favour of Remain, while Leave were led by people who'd by and large never held high national office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsFtiruIok
Assiette de merde
Crow with bitter herbs
Humble Pie - no sweetners
I just despair
Quelle surprise, as our continental friends might say.