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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,911
    DavidL said:

    The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...

    Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,979

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights

    If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.

    I doubt if the intelligent ones will give a monkeys.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,979
    Charles said:

    Floater said:

    I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation

    No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.

    So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish

    He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.

    He has just got his British passport - just in case.

    As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?
    Decalre the referendum invalid
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,911

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights

    If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.

    I doubt if the intelligent ones will give a monkeys.
    If life was only about relying upon the intelligent I am sure things would be quite different.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,072

    Charles said:

    Floater said:

    I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation

    No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.

    So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish

    He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.

    He has just got his British passport - just in case.

    As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?
    He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.
    That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passport
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,072

    Charles said:

    Floater said:

    I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation

    No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.

    So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish

    He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.

    He has just got his British passport - just in case.

    As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?
    Decalre the referendum invalid
    Whatever dude
  • https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights

    If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.

    Almost certainly will apply to local elections only, as present.
    I would have thought so, but that isn’t what is reported and this is mrs May we are talking about.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...

    Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.
    I would personally describe myself as fiscally dry but socially liberal. Not sure how well that fits.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights

    If true, May is going to have fun trying to sell that to Tory MPs in marginals.

    Almost certainly will apply to local elections only, as present.
    I would have thought so, but that isn’t what is reported and this is mrs May we are talking about.
    Maybe she wants to enfranchise EU citizens for the second referendum. :)
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 335
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,498
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...

    Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.
    I would personally describe myself as fiscally dry but socially liberal. Not sure how well that fits.
    I don't think Global Green Community fits me very well either.
  • DeClare said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?

    Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not really
  • DeClare said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?

    Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not really
    The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.

    The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
  • Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Floater said:

    I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation

    No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.

    So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish

    He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.

    He has just got his British passport - just in case.

    As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?
    He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.
    That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passport
    You can be a sole national with no passport so why not?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793

    DeClare said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?

    Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not really
    The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.

    The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
    God help us. If May won that we would be back to the voting booths again.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,598
    edited October 2018

    DeClare said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?

    Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not really
    The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.

    The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
    I do hope the Tories don't have another Copeland.

    The last thing we need is for May to get ideas about another election.

    I would guess this would be a solid Labour hold for a number of reasons. It would however be hugely embarrassing for both Corbyn and Mark Drakeford whoever succeeds Jones if it wasn't.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    The measured middle for me. Apparently this clan does not have strong political views. Hmm...

    Yes, that seemed an odd descriptor. If it is about those in the centre they can still be strong I'd say, just perhaps less consistent than some others.
    I would personally describe myself as fiscally dry but socially liberal. Not sure how well that fits.
    I don't think Global Green Community fits me very well either.
    On a very small sample I am not sure how useful those tribes are going to be.
  • Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Floater said:

    I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation

    No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.

    So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish

    He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.

    He has just got his British passport - just in case.

    As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?
    He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.
    That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passport
    Contra the idea of overbearing homogeneity imposed by the EU, I think member states can have different rules for dual citizenship, ie UK permits it, I think Spain has conditions.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,192
    Measured middle for me.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793
    ydoethur said:

    DeClare said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?

    Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not really
    The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.

    The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
    I do hope the Tories don't have another Copeland.

    The last thing we need is for May to get ideas about another election.

    I would guess this would be a solid Labour hold for a number of reasons. It would however be hugely embarrassing for both Corbyn and Mark Drakeford whoever succeeds Jones if it wasn't.
    We are of the same mind. What tribe were you?
  • Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,598
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DeClare said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-45975674

    This MP thinks there might be a General Election in the near future, I disagree and although he want's to avoid a by-election, there might be one soon if he's too ill to attend Parliament now.

    This seat could be classed a marginal so why did he stand again last year in his 80s?

    Paul Flynn's seat marginal. Not really
    The Lab to Con swing needed to take the seat is 6.6%.

    The Lab to Con swing in the Copeland by election was 6.7%.
    I do hope the Tories don't have another Copeland.

    The last thing we need is for May to get ideas about another election.

    I would guess this would be a solid Labour hold for a number of reasons. It would however be hugely embarrassing for both Corbyn and Mark Drakeford whoever succeeds Jones if it wasn't.
    We are of the same mind. What tribe were you?
    I don't do tribes. I am fully Indpendent!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,598

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    I'm assuming either that inflation has risen substantially or the chocolate ration has been cut?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,911

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    No deal will allow them to militarily take the islands? How else will they get them?
  • It's not going to happen, but hypothetically, if Labour came out tomorrow for clear Remain/Cancel Brexit, what would that do for their polling? I'm interested to hear what people speculate. Boost, drop, or basically no change?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    Unless and until they have a plane that can come close to matching the Euro fighter I am not sure this is going to matter too much.
  • Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...

    Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,598
    ydoethur said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    I'm assuming either that inflation has risen substantially or the chocolate ration has been cut?
    It's massive inflation, plus a budget crisis, plus rioting:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/clashes-as-argentine-congress-debates-budget-amid-crisis-1.4148466

    Knew here had to some epic clusterfuck they were trying to distract attention from.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 44,488

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558

    What has one got to do with the other?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,911

    It's not going to happen, but hypothetically, if Labour came out tomorrow for clear Remain/Cancel Brexit, what would that do for their polling? I'm interested to hear what people speculate. Boost, drop, or basically no change?

    Hmm, I personally think little change. Mainly because I struggle to make sense of where the polling is at in any case. I think Labour have been shifting toward that position for some time, it seems clear that is what Starmer is trying to do, and if it becomes support the government's crappy deal or no deal, they could claim a third way of Remain, though it seems like they would at least pretend to be all things for a bit longer, since they could use the 'we'll keep all options on the table, but we would negotiate better' argument.

    So I think they already have a lot of the remain vote sewn up, and could gain a few more if they are unambiguous about it, while losing a few of the leavers if it is too obvious that they are now for remain.

    It won't make much sense for there to be little change in that situation, but as I say I don't think the numbers at present make any sense either.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793

    Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...

    Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/

    I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,911
    edited October 2018

    hts://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1055563066862125057

    What is he on about? The split already existed, clearly, hence the very close vote, so a hardening wrong vs right in the years after doesn't create a new divide.
  • DavidL said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    Unless and until they have a plane that can come close to matching the Euro fighter I am not sure this is going to matter too much.
    Thank goodness for the..er..Euro fighter, eh?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 42,504
    edited October 2018
    DavidL said:

    Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...

    Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/

    I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.
    He is having another exotic spresm...
  • RobD said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558

    What has one got to do with the other?
    Argentina can bugger up our WTO applications, just like Russia and Moldova.

    So they may stop playing silly buggers at the WTO if we cede control of the Malvinas.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    I'm assuming either that inflation has risen substantially or the chocolate ration has been cut?
    It's massive inflation, plus a budget crisis, plus rioting:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/clashes-as-argentine-congress-debates-budget-amid-crisis-1.4148466

    Knew here had to some epic clusterfuck they were trying to distract attention from.
    And apparently all their semi modern planes are grounded for lack of parts. http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=51399
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 335

    It's not going to happen, but hypothetically, if Labour came out tomorrow for clear Remain/Cancel Brexit, what would that do for their polling? I'm interested to hear what people speculate. Boost, drop, or basically no change?

    They would lose many of their traditional working class voters mainly in the north of England but also in places like Barking and Dagenham to a revived UKIP.

    Remain Tories and Lib/Dems wouldn't swing to Labour in sufficient numbers to counteract that because they find Corbyn too extreme.

    So their poll share would fall unless they can replace Corbyn with a Blairite type figure, that would attract voters on the right and although it would infuriate those on the left, they really have nowhere else to go.
  • A pitch perfect example of the genre.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793

    DavidL said:

    Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...

    Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/

    I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.
    He is having another exotic spresm...
    If only Project Fear had thought of that before the referendum.
  • I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 44,488
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1055565973871362049

    Are those hypothetical pounds?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 34,641
    RobD said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558

    What has one got to do with the other?
    I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.
  • RobD said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558

    What has one got to do with the other?
    I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.
    He's often commented on Brexit.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 34,641
    That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.
  • That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    Makes a change from Brexit Every...Single...Day...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 34,641

    RobD said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558

    What has one got to do with the other?
    I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.
    He's often commented on Brexit.

    Lol. Very good.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 17,516
    Foxy said:

    The year long decline of Corbyn's popularity among 18-24 year olds is really something. From 65% in Summer 2017 to 35% today. (via @daverich1). https://t.co/SBspZ6Uy6B

    Brexit, and not backing the #peoplesvote.

    The kids should trust Jeremy The Wise to act in their best interests. :D
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600
    Late to the party but Global Green Community for me.

    Struggling somewhat to understand the differences between quite a few of the clan definitions many of which appear to be broadly centre-right to me. Where are the centre-left clans?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 34,641
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Perhaps Brexit isn't a bad thing after all...

    Vince Cable accused of 'Project Fear with tassels' after warning that Brexit poses risk to Strictly

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/25/vince-cable-accused-project-fear-tassels-warning-brexit-will/

    I didn’t think he could be any more ridiculous. I underestimated him.
    He is having another exotic spresm...
    If only Project Fear had thought of that before the referendum.
    Who is this guy you keep talking about?
  • RobD said:

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    twitter.com/willsheehan68/status/1055555696098455558

    What has one got to do with the other?
    I thought William Shatner had offered an opinion for a second there.
    He's often commented on Brexit.

    Lol. Very good.
    Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons.

    Useless fact, George Takei was named after George VI.
  • That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    How about this year we talk about whether the poppies should go back or not and whether the clocks are red or white?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600

    That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    Good argument for not changing the clocks back.
  • I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
    If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.
    I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910

    Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..

    Do tell.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 34,641
    I got Notting Hill Society.

    Which should please TSE, if no-one else.
  • DeClareDeClare Posts: 335

    That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    Good argument for not changing the clocks back.
    No they shouldn't be put forward in March. They should stay on GMT all year round, this is our proper time zone not BST.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 17,102
    Re Sir Philip Green: he is perfectly descibed in the first definition of this - ahem - really quite excellent header - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/

    “Sexual harassment: Boorish behaviour, unwanted by the target. Not to be confused with flirtation or courtship. Often perpetrated by people who have not recently looked in a mirror or who have forgotten their age or marital status.”
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 34,641

    That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    How about this year we talk about whether the poppies should go back or not and whether the clocks are red or white?
    Like.
  • I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
    If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.
    I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
    An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.

    He's self aware.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600
    DeClare said:

    That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    Good argument for not changing the clocks back.
    No they shouldn't be put forward in March. They should stay on GMT all year round, this is our proper time zone not BST.
    Whatever. Personally, I like the long light summer evenings.
  • I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
    If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.
    I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
    An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.

    He's self aware.
    I enjoy Dave Podmore on Radio 4 (& originally in the Graun), but I always assumed it was based on a very large slice of reality.
  • viewcode said:

    Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..

    Do tell.

    Shatner's Canadian, he grew up in the 1930s and 40s when there was a very staunchly pro British sentiment there as WWII happened.

    Lest we forget the Canadians contributed so much, particularly at Normandy.

    As a Jew he also noted how Britain was generally not a place where anti Semites flourished.

    Takei was named after King George VI, which began a lifelong affection for the UK, see more here.

    https://archive.is/20130124060551/http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-march.asp
  • Anyone posting a link to the Metro front page will be banned, I don't ever need to see that image again.
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612

    OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 3,772

    I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
    If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.
    I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
    An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.

    He's self aware.
    That quote isn't from Swann. https://www.metro.news/sixty-seconds-with-david-bumble-lloyd/1281109/
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Re: Poppies. It seems to me that the fact that White Poppies first emerged in the 30s is being used as a point in their favour. Whereas i would have thought that it seriously undermines them. If ever there was an argument against promoting "peace above all else" it is surely the experience of the 30s and how pursuit of peace was a major contributor towards the conflict that subsequently ensued?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600
    Cyclefree said:

    Re Sir Philip Green: he is perfectly descibed in the first definition of this - ahem - really quite excellent header - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/

    “Sexual harassment: Boorish behaviour, unwanted by the target. Not to be confused with flirtation or courtship. Often perpetrated by people who have not recently looked in a mirror or who have forgotten their age or marital status.”

    Indeed, it was very witty. Not sure how I missed it first time but I'm glad I caught the repeat. :smile:
  • I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
    If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.
    I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
    An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.

    He's self aware.
    That quote isn't from Swann. https://www.metro.news/sixty-seconds-with-david-bumble-lloyd/1281109/
    If only there was a name for this kind of thing...perhaps Inaccurate News or something...

    I noticed that the French language Nazi department have banned Donald's favourite saying.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,072

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Floater said:

    I was told a story today about a colleague in another part of my organisation

    No idea if this can be true or not, but he was present when I was told and did not deny it.

    So, he was born in the UK and his parents are Spanish

    He holds a Spanish passport and voted for Brexit.

    He has just got his British passport - just in case.

    As an Ezu citizen should he have voted?
    He wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum if he was solely an EU citizen.
    That’s what I was wondering but I suppose you could be a dual citizen with only one passport
    You can be a sole national with no passport so why not?
    It’s been a long day. Took me a while to get there
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    What number of Labour MPs are so terrified by the prospect of a Corbyn Govt that they would see supporting a deal (against the Labour whip) as the best way of avoiding that?
  • I suspect they don't understand Graeme Swann's sense of humour.
    If he can do pitch perfect Partridge, fair play to him.
    I've not previously noticed that level of inventive subtlety from the likes of Monty, Cookie, Belly, Beefy, Freddie, and indeed Swanny. Maybe nicknames aren't their thing.
    An evening with Graeme Swann is an entertaining show.

    He's self aware.
    That quote isn't from Swann. https://www.metro.news/sixty-seconds-with-david-bumble-lloyd/1281109/
    Ah
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 27,072

    Brexit is the modern day Fall of Singapore meets the Battle of Patay

    The Telegraph is a crap newspaper

    “Enhance its push for its claim” is not equal To “enhance its claims”
  • OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    Its over for ERG
  • You remember when Jezza tried his PR stunt with the odd ball Jewish group, Jewdas....well some of their members have some very interesting things to say.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 17,102
    In response to @rpjs fpt:

    “I've done interviewing many times in my current and previous jobs and I just assume the CV that HR/recruitment has sent me has been checked out. I wonder if they are though!”

    I would never assume that. In my experience they aren’t. And there is lots more due diligence done after an offer is made, which is not checked properly, where discrepancies are not escalated etc. And finally, interviews are often not searching enough.
  • alex. said:

    Re: Poppies. It seems to me that the fact that White Poppies first emerged in the 30s is being used as a point in their favour. Whereas i would have thought that it seriously undermines them. If ever there was an argument against promoting "peace above all else" it is surely the experience of the 30s and how pursuit of peace was a major contributor towards the conflict that subsequently ensued?

    Well yes, those who refuse to learn from history and all that ...

    A lot of people always seem to think 'this time will be different' without offering a reason why. Especially those on the extremes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 33,313
    Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 11,562

    I got Notting Hill Society.

    Which should please TSE, if no-one else.

    Me too.

    We're all posh boys now, it seems :)
  • Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.

    So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,498
    Cyclefree said:

    Re Sir Philip Green: he is perfectly descibed in the first definition of this - ahem - really quite excellent header - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/

    “Sexual harassment: Boorish behaviour, unwanted by the target. Not to be confused with flirtation or courtship. Often perpetrated by people who have not recently looked in a mirror or who have forgotten their age or marital status.”

    There is an uncomfortable connection here, discussed in this prescient article in Haaretz:

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-not-just-weinstein-the-year-metoo-rocked-and-shocked-the-jewish-world-1.6480994
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600

    Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.

    So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.
    Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910

    viewcode said:

    Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..

    Do tell.

    Shatner's Canadian, he grew up in the 1930s and 40s when there was a very staunchly pro British sentiment there as WWII happened.

    Lest we forget the Canadians contributed so much, particularly at Normandy.

    As a Jew he also noted how Britain was generally not a place where anti Semites flourished.

    Takei was named after King George VI, which began a lifelong affection for the UK, see more here.

    https://archive.is/20130124060551/http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-march.asp
    Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs. You learn something new every day.
  • OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.
    The Telegraph has lost its way and is Boris mouthpiece.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 14,198
    alex. said:

    Re: Poppies. It seems to me that the fact that White Poppies first emerged in the 30s is being used as a point in their favour. Whereas i would have thought that it seriously undermines them. If ever there was an argument against promoting "peace above all else" it is surely the experience of the 30s and how pursuit of peace was a major contributor towards the conflict that subsequently ensued?

    I rather agree. But pacifism is an honourable position and people who maintained it even in the 30s were being brave - wrong in my opinion, but brave. I also don't think people should be hassled over a decision to wear it now: they're simply expressing a viewpoint in an extremely quiet and harmless way..
  • Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.

    So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.
    Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.
    Rami Malek is frighteningly like Freddie Mercury.

    He deserves an Oscar.
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612

    OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.
    Yes, I have been saying for a week or two that the Cabinet will oust May. Even Gove now seems to be realising that May is trying to sign agreements that will be permanent and remove any ability to ‘improve’ Brexit later.

    BTW I hope the people cheering on May’s ‘deal’ realise that she is not even negotiating with Barnier at the moment. Ridiculous behaviour from the Remainers running our Government.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 17,102
    I do wonder whether those eminent Parliamentarians so willing to name Philip Green will be equally willing to name - for our benefit and that of staff in Parliament - the names of those MPs and Commons staff who have been accused of sexual harassment and bullying.

    I mean, if Green is to be named, then the same rule should apply to MPs. They wouldn’t like us to think that they are using their power to keep their secrets safe, would they?
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612
    Cyclefree said:

    I do wonder whether those eminent Parliamentarians so willing to name Philip Green will be equally willing to name - for our benefit and that of staff in Parliament - the names of those MPs and Commons staff who have been accused of sexual harassment and bullying.

    I mean, if Green is to be named, then the same rule should apply to MPs. They wouldn’t like us to think that they are using their power to keep their secrets safe, would they?

    Post of the day.
  • Time to go

    Have a round trip to Heathrow tomorrow and saturday to pick up my eldest son coming home from Vancouver for his birthday (52)

    Have a relaxing evening everyone

    Good night folks

  • viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Both he and George Takei are very pro British for very different reasons..

    Do tell.

    Shatner's Canadian, he grew up in the 1930s and 40s when there was a very staunchly pro British sentiment there as WWII happened.

    Lest we forget the Canadians contributed so much, particularly at Normandy.

    As a Jew he also noted how Britain was generally not a place where anti Semites flourished.

    Takei was named after King George VI, which began a lifelong affection for the UK, see more here.

    https://archive.is/20130124060551/http://www.georgetakei.com/news-2003-march.asp
    Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs. You learn something new every day.
    As a geek who attended quite a few Trek conventions in the late 1990s meeting and chatting with the cast members was illuminating.

    James Doohan lost a finger on D-Day serving with the Canadians on Juno Beach.

    He also invented the Klingon language as he loved accents and dialects.

    DeForest Kelly was touched by the sheer number of people who wrote him letters telling him they became Doctors because of him/McCoy, it was in the thousands.

    Ditto James Doohan and people who became engineers.
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612

    OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    Its over for ERG
    They are just about to get the Cabinet to declare no deal. I think they are doing ok!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 33,313

    Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.

    So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.
    Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.
    I really can't work out why the reviews have been so snippy. I think they offer as much insight as the reviews of Bohemian Rhapsody itself in the film, which mostly thought it a load of toss. Presumably still plenty of those reviewers still alive, seeing the film and cringing at how badly wrong they got it...

    Go see it. You'll enjoy it. Or come back and bollock me for a dodgy review.....
  • OchEye said:

    OchEye said:

    Up to 45 Labour MPs could rebel to back Theresa May's Brexit deal if it is “reasonable”, Don Valley MP Caroline Flint tells me

    https://t.co/ZWl9xBuZ2P

    Only if they want to commit political hari kiri (belly slitting) and antagonise their local CLP, LP supporters and electorate. They will enhance their chances of being deselected in short time, and if there is a quick election, no chance of returning to the best club in London, or red boxes and government cars, and believe me, they are not that stupid, they just look and act like it.
    Maybe they see it in the national interest
    Oh come on, they are politicians...
    Actually I believe TM will get the deal passed by the HOC probbably with good support from sensible labour mps who do not want the risk of an accidental no deal
    Nope. The ERG have boxed in May. There won't be a 'reasonable' deal because the EU will not offer what she has promised; therefore to get a deal she will have to engage in a humiliating climbdown. For example, she will have to accept the backstop is effectively permanent after saying it was not. You can't spin something as fundamental as that as 'reasonable'. It is not, it is a capitulation, and although many hard core Remainers will accept it (even welcome it), moderates will not. It crosses a fundamental red line in giving control over the UK to the EU. Labour will have no need to vote for it.

    The chief whip apparently told May that over 100 Tory MPs will rebel if she agrees an NI only backstop. He is right.
    Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph is reporting tonight that the cabinet is taking 1 on 1;s with Mr Cox. They worry that the deal is so bad it will destroy the person who takes over. They will live with the vassal state. There is growing opposition.
    Yes, I have been saying for a week or two that the Cabinet will oust May. Even Gove now seems to be realising that May is trying to sign agreements that will be permanent and remove any ability to ‘improve’ Brexit later.

    BTW I hope the people cheering on May’s ‘deal’ realise that she is not even negotiating with Barnier at the moment. Ridiculous behaviour from the Remainers running our Government.
    Then why not act already?

    I gave up on May a long time ago, but then I would have acted a long time ago. Never has Macbeth's maxim been more apt: "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well It were done quickly"

    The longer the cabinet and other's wait the less plausible any alternative deal becomes.
  • Thoroughly enjoyed "Bohemian Rhapsody" tonight.

    So did I, had a few major inaccuracies, but I can live with that.
    Interesting - reviews I have seen have been pretty damning. They have put me off somewhat.
    I really can't work out why the reviews have been so snippy. I think they offer as much insight as the reviews of Bohemian Rhapsody itself in the film, which mostly thought it a load of toss. Presumably still plenty of those reviewers still alive, seeing the film and cringing at how badly wrong they got it...

    Go see it. You'll enjoy it. Or come back and bollock me for a dodgy review.....
    I did like the bit in the film when they posted the original (unfavourable) reviews of the song Bohemian Rhapsody.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited October 2018

    DeClare said:

    That most tedious part of the year is upon us when we debate (again) the clocks going back or not and white versus red poppies.

    Every. Single. Year.

    Good argument for not changing the clocks back.
    No they shouldn't be put forward in March. They should stay on GMT all year round, this is our proper time zone not BST.
    Whatever. Personally, I like the long light summer evenings.
    Set your alarm clock one hour earlier and don't mess with a perfectly good clock system that has midday in the middle of the day.

    Edit: With apologies for boring Casino_Royale with this tedium.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 69,732
    The ERG represent barely more than 50 Tory MPs, they do not have the numbers to topple May
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 14,198
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    I see the Indy has up a questionnaire designed to find people's 'value clan' designed by BMG research, another in a long line of attempts to categorize people. I'm down as 'The Measured Middle', but I feel like I might bias the results somewhat as even though I did not look to see what the 'clans' were beforehand, that is kind of where I would have liked to have ended up, so may have self selected somewhat.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-political-clan-test-research-uk-general-election-right-wing-left-bmg-a8599586.html

    Notting Hill (Tory) Society, apparently. :o
    Global Green. Sounds about right. Citizen of everywhere, you might say.
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