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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Wha...what?! This is an astounding outcome and in no way has a challenge been on the cards for yonks and threatened for about two yonks.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Also, if there's a VONC, even if May wins it, it will send a clear message to the whips quite how deep in the red their current vote tally is.
  • THE ‘liberal elite’ consists of anyone who has read a book out of choice, Theresa May has confirmed.

    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/liberal-elite-is-anyone-who-has-voluntarily-read-a-book-20161006114917
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    kle4 said:

    Wha...what?! This is an astounding outcome and in no way has a challenge been on the cards for yonks and threatened for about two yonks.
    Remind me how the last show trial went
  • Remarkably, I imagine that the cabinet office has some kind of incredibly advanced communications technology to allow Theresa May, inside a room, to communicate with others, outside it.

    I wonder what this near-magical technology might comprise.

    It's not far from Downing Street to the Commons, she could probably have sent a civil servant runner.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    DavidL said:
    It's not Andrew Bridgen's resting pulse for sure.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,037
    300 letters in by now, surely?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2018
    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656
  • BBC - vnoc likely tomorrow
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    murali_s said:
    Where's Michael Howard when you need him?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,921
    These announcements keep saying ‘outside’ downing st.

    I’m going to get very worried if the rostrum doesn’t have a logo on it...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    If May can keep this cabinet meeting going until March she might stand a chance.

    They'll be sending in food parcels soon! :D
    Somebody should take pity - send them an order of pineapple-topped pizzas.....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill.

    That actually seems relatively plausible .

    THE ‘liberal elite’ consists of anyone who has read a book out of choice, Theresa May has confirmed.

    https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/liberal-elite-is-anyone-who-has-voluntarily-read-a-book-20161006114917

    Not if it is this book surely?
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Socialism-Works-Harrison-Lievesley/dp/1521531218/ref=la_B073HB3JXH_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1542219729&sr=1-1
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    The difference is, before today JRM was saying "don't do it", now JRM is saying "do it".

    I don't know exactly how man Brexit Buccaneers he has at his beck and call, but I can easily imagine him getting to the magic number if he so wills it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,762

    Also, if there's a VONC, even if May wins it, it will send a clear message to the whips quite how deep in the red their current vote tally is.

    I think that is going to be the key. The number of votes against is the number of votes that cannot be relied upon to get this through the Commons which is the number she has to try and find from somewhere else.

    It's not boring, that's for sure.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    The difference is, before today JRM was saying "don't do it", now JRM is saying "do it".

    I don't know exactly how man Brexit Buccaneers he has at his beck and call, but I can easily imagine him getting to the magic number if he so wills it.

    Well of course he can, the number was pretty high already apparently. It doesn't make his position not calling for it before now when all of his other words showed what he wanted required May gone any less stupid.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    DavidL said:

    Also, if there's a VONC, even if May wins it, it will send a clear message to the whips quite how deep in the red their current vote tally is.

    I think that is going to be the key. The number of votes against is the number of votes that cannot be relied upon to get this through the Commons which is the number she has to try and find from somewhere else.

    It's not boring, that's for sure.
    So she's almost certain to win pretty big the vonc then.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Gah, I thought there might be at least one more scare for TM this year. If I'd been smarter I'd have taken some of the 10-20/1 available on 2018 for her to go and have an amazing trading bet.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392

    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    If May can keep this cabinet meeting going until March she might stand a chance.

    They'll be sending in food parcels soon! :D
    Somebody should take pity - send them an order of pineapple-topped pizzas.....
    George Osborne could send in a crate of Greggs pasties.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    DavidL said:

    Also, if there's a VONC, even if May wins it, it will send a clear message to the whips quite how deep in the red their current vote tally is.

    I think that is going to be the key. The number of votes against is the number of votes that cannot be relied upon to get this through the Commons which is the number she has to try and find from somewhere else.

    It's not boring, that's for sure.
    Won't it be at least 48 though, which is too many; unless....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,762
    What takes precedence, a VONC inside the Tory Party or a statement to the HoC? If there is a VONC tomorrow will the statement be postponed? Surely it has to be. Its a statement by the PM and that might not be her.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Is there a viable caretaker Tory leader? I really can't think of anyone.

    Hague (outside the Commons) would be an own goal of epic proportions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 113,957
    edited November 2018
    Please no VONC on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

    Am spending Friday watching the Crimes of Grindlewood and then Saturday going to Blackpool to be in the audience of Strictly.
  • Jonathan said:

    Is there a viable caretaker Tory leader? I really can't think of anyone.

    Hague (outside the Commons) would be an own goal of epic proportions.

    Jeremy Hunt, he's a PM in waiting.
  • The oddest movement on Betfair is that Jeremy Corbyn is shortening all the time for next Prime Minister at exactly the time when it looks increasingly likely that the next Prime Minister will be a Conservative selected before the next election.
  • TheoTheo Posts: 325
    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    Well, there's not the best part of a million dead from a war they lied to get us into, nor any massive financial crises on their watch.

    To be fair, both will be lakes of calm compared to Hard Brexit Far Left Corbyn Britain.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    Please no VONC on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

    Am spending Friday watching the Crimes of Grindlewood and then Saturday going to Blackpool to be in the audience of Strictly.


    All of Friday, how long is that film?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
    Quincel said:

    Gah, I thought there might be at least one more scare for TM this year. If I'd been smarter I'd have taken some of the 10-20/1 available on 2018 for her to go and have an amazing trading bet.

    Least you aren't +20/-200 in the market.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,762
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Also, if there's a VONC, even if May wins it, it will send a clear message to the whips quite how deep in the red their current vote tally is.

    I think that is going to be the key. The number of votes against is the number of votes that cannot be relied upon to get this through the Commons which is the number she has to try and find from somewhere else.

    It's not boring, that's for sure.
    So she's almost certain to win pretty big the vonc then.
    I agree but as others point out she can also lose at the same time if it becomes evident that she cannot get her deal through the Commons. It's a bit sub-optimal tbh.
  • Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    The alternative timeline where a PM Miliband did lead to more chaos than we have experienced would be a diverting read. Perhaps something for Cameron to work on in his shed.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited November 2018

    Remarkably, I imagine that the cabinet office has some kind of incredibly advanced communications technology to allow Theresa May, inside a room, to communicate with others, outside it.

    I wonder what this near-magical technology might comprise.

    It's not far from Downing Street to the Commons, she could probably have sent a civil servant runner.
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  • Mortimer said:

    These announcements keep saying ‘outside’ downing st.

    I’m going to get very worried if the rostrum doesn’t have a logo on it...

    Apparently no rostrum, only a microphone on a stand.
  • Quincel said:

    Please no VONC on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

    Am spending Friday watching the Crimes of Grindlewood and then Saturday going to Blackpool to be in the audience of Strictly.


    All of Friday, how long is that film?
    135 mins plus trailers.

    Am watching the midnight showing then catching it again later on Friday.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Jonathan said:

    Is there a viable caretaker Tory leader? I really can't think of anyone.

    Hague (outside the Commons) would be an own goal of epic proportions.

    Jeremy Hunt, he's a PM in waiting.
    If May is being voted out because her deal is crap, why would the party rally behind someone who backs the deal, or who lamely stayed in the Cabinet for 6 months while the deal was shaping up?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957
    Quincel said:

    Please no VONC on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

    Am spending Friday watching the Crimes of Grindlewood and then Saturday going to Blackpool to be in the audience of Strictly.


    All of Friday, how long is that film?
    He watches it five times.....
  • TheoTheo Posts: 325
    Can a Brexiteer explain what specific things are driving this "betrayal"? The need for widgets made outside of Belfast to meet standards of the market they predominantly exported to?

    I feel these people are so used to being in the self righteous outrage position they revert to it regardless of the facts at any moment. Every sensible Brexiteer that isn't jockeying for leadership (Gove, Raab, Montgomery) backs the deal. The militant tendency are too stupid to realise when they have won and are going to blow it as a result.
  • Please no VONC on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

    Am spending Friday watching the Crimes of Grindlewood and then Saturday going to Blackpool to be in the audience of Strictly.

    Ah, Strictly - the ultimate in dumbed-down TV programmes!
  • This is all pathetic from the Brexiteers.

    I’m not one for rerunning the vote (I was a waverer when it came to the referendum and I finally came down on the side of reluctant remain) but I almost hope we do remain now just to watch them squeal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957
    kle4 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is there a viable caretaker Tory leader? I really can't think of anyone.

    Hague (outside the Commons) would be an own goal of epic proportions.

    Jeremy Hunt, he's a PM in waiting.
    If May is being voted out because her deal is crap, why would the party rally behind someone who backs the deal, or who lamely stayed in the Cabinet for 6 months while the deal was shaping up?
    This....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721

    Jonathan said:

    Is there a viable caretaker Tory leader? I really can't think of anyone.

    Hague (outside the Commons) would be an own goal of epic proportions.

    Jeremy Hunt, he's a PM in waiting.
    You mean an expert in waiting

    Longer Waiting Times

    Longer Waiting Lists
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    Quincel said:

    Please no VONC on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

    Am spending Friday watching the Crimes of Grindlewood and then Saturday going to Blackpool to be in the audience of Strictly.


    All of Friday, how long is that film?
    He watches it five times.....
    I can't compete with that, though I did once watch Jurassic Park in the cinema and then come back the next day to see it again.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,037
    edited November 2018
    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    If only folk voted Labour and Ed Milliband, this country will be sailing serenely onward. But instead, thanks to the fool Cameron and the crazy nutters in the Tory party, we are at a precipice. Thank you Tories! Thank you very much!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Will the Tories just split already? It's not even funny anymore to see them throw around such loathing at one another while pretending it is all just normal big tent stuff. This is fundamental stuff, people are using very extreme language of betrayal here, it is time for them to vote on May, push through a deal or collapse, then shut the f*ck up for about 4 years.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841
  • Jonathan said:

    Is there a viable caretaker Tory leader? I really can't think of anyone.

    Hague (outside the Commons) would be an own goal of epic proportions.

    Jeremy Hunt, he's a PM in waiting.
    You mean an expert in waiting

    Longer Waiting Times

    Longer Waiting Lists
    He'll be an expert in my most profitable ever bet(s).

    I know I haven't mentioned it much but I did repeatedly tip Hunt as next PM at 100/1 and 66/1.

    I win something close to 16k.

    He's now around 12/1 to be next PM.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Next Election Parties.

    Conservative Nationalist
    Conservative Pragmatist
    Labour
    Momentum
    Lib Dems


  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,777
    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!
  • murali_s said:

    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    If only folk voted Labour and Ed Milliband, this country will be sailing serenely onward. But instead, thanks to the fool Cameron and the crazy nutters in the Tory party, we are at a precipice. Thank you Tories! Thank you very much!
    If only the unions hadn't rigged the vote for Lab leader for Ed rather than David...
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    Jonathan said:

    Next Election Parties.

    Conservative Nationalist
    Conservative Pragmatist
    Labour
    Momentum
    Lib Dems


    Never heard of the last one, are they new?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    murali_s said:

    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    If only folk voted Labour and Ed Milliband, this country will be sailing serenely onward. But instead, thanks to the fool Cameron and the crazy nutters in the Tory party, we are at a precipice. Thank you Tories! Thank you very much!
    If only the unions hadn't rigged the vote for Lab leader for Ed rather than David...

    murali_s said:

    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    If only folk voted Labour and Ed Milliband, this country will be sailing serenely onward. But instead, thanks to the fool Cameron and the crazy nutters in the Tory party, we are at a precipice. Thank you Tories! Thank you very much!
    If only the unions hadn't rigged the vote for Lab leader for Ed rather than David...
    Clearly the solution to this is for someone to build a time machine, travel back to fix the universe, and stop Eric Joyce from getting into a fight in the Sport and Social.
  • Jonathan said:

    Next Election Parties.

    Conservative Nationalist
    Conservative Pragmatist
    Labour
    Momentum
    Lib Dems

    I hope those aren't in descending order of vote share...
  • stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721

    murali_s said:

    Jonathan said:

    It would really rather fun if May won a leadership VONC, but couldn't pass the bill. They would be stuck with her for a year.

    The Tory party really is rubbish at govt. Worth bringing out this tonight...

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656

    If only folk voted Labour and Ed Milliband, this country will be sailing serenely onward. But instead, thanks to the fool Cameron and the crazy nutters in the Tory party, we are at a precipice. Thank you Tories! Thank you very much!
    If only the unions hadn't rigged the vote for Lab leader for Ed rather than David lABOUR WOULD HAVE BEEN FINISHED
  • Has anyone used the phrase 'Juche Brexiteer' for the ERG hardliners ?

    I think it sums them up well.
  • Dominic Raab not going to Brussels
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,777

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    That would be the right move.
  • Jonathan said:

    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    That would be the right move.
    I would not blame her
  • Returning to the discussion of this morning about what a healthy economy should be based upon.

    Its not too much export oriented and its not too much domestic demand.

    But rather a mixture of both with sometimes more wealth creation and trade surpluses and sometimes more wealth consumption and trade deficits in a nice undulating sine curve pattern.
  • stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    I don't think so. She has judged that getting this deal through is in the national interest; I don't think it matters if she has to lose a few Cabinet ministers to achieve that.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited November 2018

    Jonathan said:

    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    That would be the right move.
    I would not blame her
    The only question is resign as what. Tory leader or PM. She won't, but if she did resign as PM, the cabinet would right now be debating her successor for May to recommend to HM.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,721

    Jonathan said:

    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    That would be the right move.
    I would not blame her
    Then what?

    Who would you blame?
  • Dominic Raab not going to Brussels

    He's missed the last Eurostar?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,762
    Where does the ERG go if they force a VONC in May and lose getting, say, 45 votes? Do they resign the Whip? Do they offer the government confidence and supply but no Brexit votes? Or do they wimp out again?

    They are so irrational about this it is hard to predict. There are 318 Tories and 262 Labour which means they would need 57 resigning the whip to make Labour the largest party. That seems unlikely but we are in wonderland here.
  • Jonathan said:

    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    That would be the right move.
    I would not blame her
    Call a GE.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,841

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I've done the old underwater top up at 2.7
  • And how angry will they be when May wins ?
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    It's National Pickle Day, apparently.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    edited November 2018
    DanSmith said:
    What do they gain from that? Genuine question.
  • DavidL said:

    Where does the ERG go if they force a VONC in May and lose getting, say, 45 votes? Do they resign the Whip? Do they offer the government confidence and supply but no Brexit votes? Or do they wimp out again?

    They are so irrational about this it is hard to predict. There are 318 Tories and 262 Labour which means they would need 57 resigning the whip to make Labour the largest party. That seems unlikely but we are in wonderland here.

    Surely if they resigned the whip that would stop them standing as Conservative candidates at the next election ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    So what? She's not getting a deal through and then she will have to go anyway.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835

    Mortimer said:

    These announcements keep saying ‘outside’ downing st.

    I’m going to get very worried if the rostrum doesn’t have a logo on it...

    Apparently no rostrum, only a microphone on a stand.
    She's resigning then singing My Way?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    The Tories are impressively rubbish. It only took them three years to rip the country apart and completely implode. Impressive work. And a total unforced error.

    Tonight thoughts must go out to Nick Clegg. Those Lib Dems did more than we thought.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    DavidL said:

    Where does the ERG go if they force a VONC in May and lose getting, say, 45 votes? Do they resign the Whip? Do they offer the government confidence and supply but no Brexit votes? Or do they wimp out again?

    They are so irrational about this it is hard to predict. There are 318 Tories and 262 Labour which means they would need 57 resigning the whip to make Labour the largest party. That seems unlikely but we are in wonderland here.

    Surely if they resigned the whip that would stop them standing as Conservative candidates at the next election ?
    If the rest of the party in parliament is lining up behind the deal, and they regard it as a traitorous betrayal, then they should not want to stand as Conservative candidates, they should stand as the True Tory party or whatever.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    Jonathan said:

    The Tories are impressively rubbish. It only took them three years to rip the country apart and completely implode. Impressive work. And a total unforced error.

    Tonight thoughts must go out to Nick Clegg. Those Lib Dems did more than we thought.

    And they will get no credit for it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,762

    DavidL said:

    Where does the ERG go if they force a VONC in May and lose getting, say, 45 votes? Do they resign the Whip? Do they offer the government confidence and supply but no Brexit votes? Or do they wimp out again?

    They are so irrational about this it is hard to predict. There are 318 Tories and 262 Labour which means they would need 57 resigning the whip to make Labour the largest party. That seems unlikely but we are in wonderland here.

    Surely if they resigned the whip that would stop them standing as Conservative candidates at the next election ?
    Yes it would. It would be the corn laws all over again.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    When I was 17, Nick Clegg came to my Sixth Form College to speak to Government and Politics students. I asked him if he thought the UK would ever join the Euro. Good times.
  • Jonathan said:

    stjohn said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    I agree. But if she can't get the cabinet to approve the deal, might she resign?
    That would be the right move.
    I would not blame her
    Then what?

    Who would you blame?
    The ultras on both sides but more likely impossible to square the circle
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Dominic Raab not going to Brussels

    He's missed the last Eurostar?
    You'd've thought 32 Sqn would have been told to keep a 146 on standby.
  • I never thought my contempt for the ERG/Leavers would increase, but it has grown exponentially in the last 36 hours.

    Absolute bellends.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Statement imminent according to the Guardian.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Where does the ERG go if they force a VONC in May and lose getting, say, 45 votes? Do they resign the Whip? Do they offer the government confidence and supply but no Brexit votes? Or do they wimp out again?

    They are so irrational about this it is hard to predict. There are 318 Tories and 262 Labour which means they would need 57 resigning the whip to make Labour the largest party. That seems unlikely but we are in wonderland here.

    Surely if they resigned the whip that would stop them standing as Conservative candidates at the next election ?
    Yes it would. It would be the corn laws all over again.
    The divisions in the Tories cannot be papered over anymore. You cannot stand up and say the deal potentially hundreds of colleagues will support is as amazingly terrible and then just stick around voting with those same people. They might agree on most other things, but this is critical and speaks to general government direction for years to come, so it is not a single vote problem.
  • I never thought my contempt for the ERG/Leavers would increase, but it has grown exponentially in the last 36 hours.

    Absolute bellends.

    Agreed
  • If May gets Cabinet to agree, doesn't the month to December give her time to face down the ERG? It may have 48 letters, it does not have 148
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    I never thought my contempt for the ERG/Leavers would increase, but it has grown exponentially in the last 36 hours.

    Absolute bellends.

    Tories innit. Agreed.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Pulpstar said:
    I like a man that doesn't split his infinitives. Whatever colour his hair might be.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,957
    edited November 2018
    kle4 said:

    stjohn said:

    Teresa May exit this year price on Betfair is 2.6-2.64!

    Ridiculous. She'll win a VONC.
    So what? She's not getting a deal through and then she will have to go anyway.
    Looking that way....
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