I genuinely don't get why these people didn't resign last night. If they couldn't support it no need to take stock of media or party reaction or likelihood of passing and it's not like it is one last favour to May to give her one night of fake unity. Why the delay?
8am 8am 10am
11 am Khan??
Hunt will go, too. This is all about the forthcoming leadership election and the only way you get to stand is by resigning. It's all so transparent. Never has the total lack of a credible opposition been so damaging to the national interest.
This is Corbyns fault LOL Your credibility is as shot as Mays
I genuinely don't get why these people didn't resign last night. If they couldn't support it no need to take stock of media or party reaction or likelihood of passing and it's not like it is one last favour to May to give her one night of fake unity. Why the delay?
8am 8am 10am
11 am Khan??
Hunt will go, too. This is all about the forthcoming leadership election and the only way you get to stand is by resigning. It's all so transparent.
Agreed. What the f*ck was the point of last night? Some sick joke to make May pretend she had even got it past the cabinet table,
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
You voted for something that was impossible to deliver. You voted for unicorns. There is no imaginable situation under which we get all the benefits of EU membership without any of the obligations. It's that simple. The only issue is what you prioritise. And all the evidence is that for most Leavers restricting immigration while causing the minimum possible economic harm was the number one priority. That is what May focused on and that is how we got to where we are today.
Who will May replace McVile with? The qualifications include a vicious,callous sociopathy and a belief in the use of starvation and death as instruments of government social security policy.Will they be forced to stop and scrap Universal Credit by the UN?
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
" ... by those who didn't believe in Brexit. "
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
I genuinely don't get why these people didn't resign last night. If they couldn't support it no need to take stock of media or party reaction or likelihood of passing and it's not like it is one last favour to May to give her one night of fake unity. Why the delay?
8am 8am 10am
11 am Khan??
Hunt will go, too. This is all about the forthcoming leadership election and the only way you get to stand is by resigning. It's all so transparent.
Agreed. What the f*ck was the point of last night? Some sick joke to make May pretend she had even got it past the cabinet table,
I think it's just timing for media coverage, maybe some coordination between them. Not their fault that people online jumped the gun thinking that the risk of resignation had passed. There's a long history of resignations happening in the days after the initial event
A government of national unity would need to be led by someone who couldn't be a leader of the Tories or Labour, so Vince fits that bill but so do many others.
I genuinely don't get why these people didn't resign last night. If they couldn't support it no need to take stock of media or party reaction or likelihood of passing and it's not like it is one last favour to May to give her one night of fake unity. Why the delay?
8am 8am 10am
11 am Khan??
Hunt will go, too. This is all about the forthcoming leadership election and the only way you get to stand is by resigning. It's all so transparent. Never has the total lack of a credible opposition been so damaging to the national interest.
Hunt (and any other would-be successor) might be best advised to visit John Major's dentist rather than resigning; to look statesmanlike while fervently hoping the PM has gone before tea-time.
A government of national unity would need to be led by someone who couldn't be a leader of the Tories or Labour, so Vince fits that bill but so do many others.
A government of national unity would need to be led by someone who couldn't be a leader of the Tories or Labour, so Vince fits that bill but so do many others.
He almost fits the profile of someone who couldn't be leader of the Lib Dems, too...
Who will May replace McVile with? The qualifications include a vicious,callous sociopathy and a belief in the use of starvation and death as instruments of government social security policy.Will they be forced to stop and scrap Universal Credit by the UN?
The government is a zombie now, nothing it says matters.
Mr. Observer, taking time to decide a position and plan for WTO, if it came to that, was within her gift. May instead winged it with short term tactics that have led to this result.
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
You voted for something that was impossible to deliver. You voted for unicorns. There is no imaginable situation under which we get all the benefits of EU membership without any of the obligations. It's that simple. The only issue is what you prioritise. And all the evidence is that for most Leavers restricting immigration while causing the minimum possible economic harm was the number one priority. That is what May focused on and that is how we got to where we are today.
I actually think it is impossible to leave the EU in any way without massive problems.
It shows how we'd lost our sovereignty a long time ago, but a no-deal Brexit now might be the only way to get out without bloodshed.
The fundamental fact in all this is that May does not have the votes in the HoC. She needs to make a bold offer to someone.
A full, open and honest offer to Nick Clegg.
Practically, there are only two parties she can make an offer to: Labour and the SNP. What could she possibly offer them?
A referendum or an election.
The SNP an IndyRef to opt-out of the deal. Labour a 1 Mar General Election.
or
A second referendum. Deal, No Deal or No Brexit.
I thought of that, but I don't think the SNP would take Indyref2 now, they want to do it in a couple of years when the Brexit backlash is at its nastiest in Scotland.
But yes: if May made an agreement to form a grand coalition with Corbyn that lasts until the day after the deal is voted through Parliament followed by an immediate dissolution and early Jan election?
Corbyn would go for that.
She would be out of office the day she suggested it
It's looking like she's going to be out of office today anyway. She's got nothing left to lose. ROLL THOSE DICE.
She is not going to make a suicidal offer to labour, though how long she stays in office is another question
She needs to do something radical. It is Hail Mary time. GE 2nd referendum, national govt, article 50 withdrawal or resignation. Nothing has changed is not an option.
- A GE can't support her position; it would deliver govt to Lab. Not an option for her. - A national government isn't possible because there aren't the MPs to support it. - A 2nd referendum? On what? And is it worth weeks of parliamentary fighting to deliver a vote that results in a murky mandate? - A50 withdrawal is legally dubious: the Notification Act only gave her the right to notify the EU of the UK's intention to leave; not its intention to remain. On top of which is whether it's legally possible under EU law. And either way, she'd be No Confidenced. Not an option. - Resignation is certainly a possibility but doesn't get anywhere closer to a solution.
I think she has to prepare for the deal being voted down and to lay out *now* what that means - which is going back to Brussels to get a revision. In reality, the only revisions possible - to my mind - are to trade an even closer transitional relationship, with NI and GB on the same basis, for a proper (unilateral or time-limited) break clause. The Tory Ultras won't like it but it has to be explored before No Deal becomes inevitable.
Mr. Observer, taking time to decide a position and plan for WTO, if it came to that, was within her gift. May instead winged it with short term tactics that have led to this result.
Yes. It's utterly absurd that they didn't plan for this from day 1, even before Article 50 was triggered.
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
" ... by those who didn't believe in Brexit. "
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
May speaking to laughter as if nothing's wrong. She's delusional.
When they laugh at you, you are finished...
I don't think the public will react well to that. They should be outraged not laughing. As SO said - Brexiteers are protected from the decisions they make but so are parliament's remainers.
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
" ... by those who didn't believe in Brexit. "
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
Belief in a policy, belief it was the right thing to do. Religions aren't the only things that require belief.
I believe lower taxes improve economic growth, that's not a religion its an educated thought.
Mr. Observer, taking time to decide a position and plan for WTO, if it came to that, was within her gift. May instead winged it with short term tactics that have led to this result.
She has not been a good PM. That doesn't take away people's choice about this deal or not and that means if we remain or GE and Corbyn gets in that is still on them. It will be more defendable the worse May did but they are still choosing to risk remain no deal and Corbyn and May doing a bad job doesn't make that less their choice.
Who will May replace McVile with? The qualifications include a vicious,callous sociopathy and a belief in the use of starvation and death as instruments of government social security policy.Will they be forced to stop and scrap Universal Credit by the UN?
The government is a zombie now, nothing it says matters.
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
" ... by those who didn't believe in Brexit. "
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
Mr. Observer, taking time to decide a position and plan for WTO, if it came to that, was within her gift. May instead winged it with short term tactics that have led to this result.
Yes. It's utterly absurd that they didn't plan for this from day 1, even before Article 50 was triggered.
Quite.
The only "planning" was late on - to issue Plagues of Frogs and Boils warnings about Hard Brexit, sector by sector, and very late on in the process. This was aimed purely at ensuring No Deal was too scary to ever contemplate.
There is nothing in law requiring the PM to be a Member of Parliament - indeed all of them spend election campaigns not as an MP. So why just look to the tired members of the green benches.
Possible leaders of the National Government Nigel Farrage Tony Blair Alan Sugar Howling Laud Hope Jane Horrocks (it worked on The Amazing Mrs Pritchard
A government of national unity would need to be led by someone who couldn't be a leader of the Tories or Labour, so Vince fits that bill but so do many others.
He almost fits the profile of someone who couldn't be leader of the Lib Dems, too...
Also applies to May, Corbyn and their respective parties.
Mr. Observer, taking time to decide a position and plan for WTO, if it came to that, was within her gift. May instead winged it with short term tactics that have led to this result.
There is nothing in law requiring the PM to be a Member of Parliament - indeed all of them spend election campaigns not as an MP. So why just look to the tired members of the green benches.
Possible leaders of the National Government Nigel Farrage Tony Blair Alan Sugar Howling Laud Hope Jane Horrocks (it worked on The Amazing Mrs Pritchard
Alright Anna, you smartarse, who leads that to do what? Remain? Oh how convenient.
@Kle4 I think we (I include you as a moderate) have to face reality, the vision of a sensible brexit died today I think. It's either remain or no deal. It's a shame because May's deal looked good to me.
Mr. Observer, taking time to decide a position and plan for WTO, if it came to that, was within her gift. May instead winged it with short term tactics that have led to this result.
Yes. It's utterly absurd that they didn't plan for this from day 1, even before Article 50 was triggered.
Quite.
The only "planning" was late on - to issue Plagues of Frogs and Boils warnings about Hard Brexit, sector by sector, and very late on in the process. This was aimed purely at ensuring No Deal was too scary to ever contemplate.
And it also created the situation where the EU could demand anything knowing we'd have to take it. Which then means it couldn't get through parliament.
There is nothing in law requiring the PM to be a Member of Parliament - indeed all of them spend election campaigns not as an MP. So why just look to the tired members of the green benches.
Possible leaders of the National Government Nigel Farrage Tony Blair Alan Sugar Howling Laud Hope Jane Horrocks (it worked on The Amazing Mrs Pritchard
I wonder what they are in panic about? The bosses have resigned, put up your feet and stick the kettle on. No work to do today, but govt is busy collapsing.
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
" ... by those who didn't believe in Brexit. "
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
Belief in a policy, belief it was the right thing to do. Religions aren't the only things that require belief.
I believe lower taxes improve economic growth, that's not a religion its an educated thought.
Brexit is an educated thought ????
Ha
You should be on the stage. Brexit is a fucking disaster, and it was alwayts going to be a fucking disaster due to leave's stance during the referendum. There's nothing 'educated' about it, however many educated people fell pray to the religion.
There is nothing in law requiring the PM to be a Member of Parliament - indeed all of them spend election campaigns not as an MP. So why just look to the tired members of the green benches.
Possible leaders of the National Government Nigel Farrage Tony Blair Alan Sugar Howling Laud Hope Jane Horrocks (it worked on The Amazing Mrs Pritchard
The deal that Theresa May and Olly Robbins have cooked up is what happens when you task vegans with making a meat pie.
You're a leaver. You argued for leave.
You own this, and you own the consequences.
I'd accept that - if the current shit-show hadn't had Remainer ring-masters.
Olly Robbins has done nothing in my name. Or in my cause.
I blame Gove for where we are.
What bullshit. This is what you voted for. It doesn't matter what flights of fancy fluttered through your fevered, deranged imagination: it was obvious that the two leave options could not be reconciled.
And you're doing exactly what leavers were doing before the referendum: it isn't our fault; it's the EU's fault.
There's always someone else for you to blame for your own fuckup.
Utter bullshit. If this is what we'd voted for it would be getting lapped up by Leavers. Its patently obvious this is some meally mouthed bullshit cooked up by those who didn't believe in Brexit.
May said 2 things that were true: no deal is better than a bad deal and in order to deliver Brexit you need to believe in Brexit. May and Robbins didn't believe in Brexit and have come up with a turd of a deal.
" ... by those who didn't believe in Brexit. "
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
Belief in a policy, belief it was the right thing to do. Religions aren't the only things that require belief.
I believe lower taxes improve economic growth, that's not a religion its an educated thought.
Brexit is an educated thought ????
Ha
You should be on the stage. Brexit is a fucking disaster, and it was alwayts going to be a fucking disaster due to leave's stance during the referendum. There's nothing 'educated' about it, however many educated people fell pray to the religion.
No. The disaster was signing up to a project that the British people didn't want to be part of and that is seemingly impossible to get out of.
There is nothing in law requiring the PM to be a Member of Parliament - indeed all of them spend election campaigns not as an MP. So why just look to the tired members of the green benches.
Possible leaders of the National Government Nigel Farrage Tony Blair Alan Sugar Howling Laud Hope Jane Horrocks (it worked on The Amazing Mrs Pritchard
Eddie Re(d)mayne David Baddiel Annie Loof (Swedish centre party leader) and Someone from Noddle to work out our credit rating.
she should be wary - unless labour are hypocrits they may need to negotiate something significantly different soon as they cannot vote for anything similar.
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Do you write the Sun Says?
I don't like the EU but I'd rather Remain than have Corbyn.
So... Raab is gone and his Junior Minister is gone. I take it that means that no one at DExEU believes in the exit deal.
The deal is dead - lone live the .... errrr.... gaping void in the political continuum?????
Please Miss! Miss! Please!
I resigned before he did miss! He cheated! I was first Miss!
Ah, yes Brexit as a faith. Brexit as a religion. Believe in Brexit, for those with the true faith will sit at the right hand of Farage.
Gove isn't on the front bench in the Commons right now, is he?
It shows how we'd lost our sovereignty a long time ago, but a no-deal Brexit now might be the only way to get out without bloodshed.
- A national government isn't possible because there aren't the MPs to support it.
- A 2nd referendum? On what? And is it worth weeks of parliamentary fighting to deliver a vote that results in a murky mandate?
- A50 withdrawal is legally dubious: the Notification Act only gave her the right to notify the EU of the UK's intention to leave; not its intention to remain. On top of which is whether it's legally possible under EU law. And either way, she'd be No Confidenced. Not an option.
- Resignation is certainly a possibility but doesn't get anywhere closer to a solution.
I think she has to prepare for the deal being voted down and to lay out *now* what that means - which is going back to Brussels to get a revision. In reality, the only revisions possible - to my mind - are to trade an even closer transitional relationship, with NI and GB on the same basis, for a proper (unilateral or time-limited) break clause. The Tory Ultras won't like it but it has to be explored before No Deal becomes inevitable.
Be LEAVE!
I believe lower taxes improve economic growth, that's not a religion its an educated thought.
The only "planning" was late on - to issue Plagues of Frogs and Boils warnings about Hard Brexit, sector by sector, and very late on in the process. This was aimed purely at ensuring No Deal was too scary to ever contemplate.
Possible leaders of the National Government
Nigel Farrage
Tony Blair
Alan Sugar
Howling Laud Hope
Jane Horrocks (it worked on The Amazing Mrs Pritchard
So much for 'no deal is better than a bad deal' then.
Brexit is proving a calamity as I said on day one. Nothing has changed.
Second referendum pointless as we will probably get the same result. The gormless brainless morons who voted Leave first time round will do it again.
We are in a bind!
I hope every brexit is brexit fan will now openly support remaining, it is after all better than a bad deal.
Phil Burdekin: Since 9am there have been more cabinet resignations then Sri Lankan wickets...
What a complete bunch of idiots.
But make no mistake the Conservatives will rue the day they went against the referendum result.
But, does she have any choice but tin earedness at this point.
Ha
You should be on the stage. Brexit is a fucking disaster, and it was alwayts going to be a fucking disaster due to leave's stance during the referendum. There's nothing 'educated' about it, however many educated people fell pray to the religion.
Until such time as they ask for her to go she will do the job she was appointed to.
David Baddiel
Annie Loof (Swedish centre party leader) and
Someone from Noddle to work out our credit rating.