That would have been a national scandal a few years ago. Now everyone just shrugs and forgets about it 5 minutes later.
I don't think we will forget about this, at least not in London (as it looks like we Londoners are gonna have to pony up the money). This is bad news for Sadiq Khan, as there are very serious questions being asked about when exactly he knew Crossrail was in trouble, and why didn't he say anything....
He could end up in court.
'Delayed indefinitely' is new. There's evidently some big issues with something; as the tunnels are complete, as are most of the stations, and they are running test trains, my guess is the very complex signalling systems. Probably wrong, though.
As you say, the question is when people knew that the project was in trouble.
At the risk of opening Pandora’s box, what’s so special about the signalling?
I've heard it said that Pandora's box is not a pretty sight.
They are very, very active still. Mum Rata is worked up and sharing and liking a torrent of Facebook stuff (and she never commented on the original referendum).
Somewhere in all of this, the roubles are still being spent by someone, and the second referendum could be already lost before it is even underway.
That would have been a national scandal a few years ago. Now everyone just shrugs and forgets about it 5 minutes later.
I don't think we will forget about this, at least not in London (as it looks like we Londoners are gonna have to pony up the money). This is bad news for Sadiq Khan, as there are very serious questions being asked about when exactly he knew Crossrail was in trouble, and why didn't he say anything....
He could end up in court.
'Delayed indefinitely' is new. There's evidently some big issues with something; as the tunnels are complete, as are most of the stations, and they are running test trains, my guess is the very complex signalling systems. Probably wrong, though.
As you say, the question is when people knew that the project was in trouble.
At the risk of opening Pandora’s box, what’s so special about the signalling?
I've heard it said that Pandora's box is not a pretty sight.
I'd ask Adrian Mole, but apparently he never got the experience.
The solution to all this has to be a government of national unity, with a sensible moderate for PM, with a grown up deputy PM from HMO. People respected by the house who have strong experience of government. Step forward Ken Clarke and Hilary Benn....the country needs you
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
People attempting to find simplistic populist answers to complex problems was what caused the whole charade in the first place
The solution to all this has to be a government of national unity, with a sensible moderate for PM, with a grown up deputy PM from HMO. People respected by the house who have strong experience of government. Step forward Ken Clarke and Hilary Benn....the country needs you
Government of national unity? We can't even get a government of Cabinet unity.
The solution to all this has to be a government of national unity, with a sensible moderate for PM, with a grown up deputy PM from HMO. People respected by the house who have strong experience of government. Step forward Ken Clarke and Hilary Benn....the country needs you
Magic Grandpa and Marxist McDonnell are not going to agree to that. This is there once in a lifetime chance to run the show and tear down the system and enact their socialist paradise.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Here's an idea: why not wait for a full 2 hours and 12 minutes, and see what she has to say?
Because it's a betting site? This is the time to pick up the consequences of what's going on, before it becomes obvious to the political media (except Peston, obvs).
So Erskine May says the right to move an order of the day belongs to the House at large not just member in charge, then says it must be taken on by another member in absence of the forementioned one.
i.e. if the goverment doesn't move an order of the day, another member may so move in the government's absence?
So it looks to me like the house CAN force the meaningful vote, simply by moving to resume the business of last week, if the Leader of the House so declines.
@david_herdson: Given your line on the impossibility of the second referendum is predicated on the government's control over house business, do the chinks in that control seen in the last week give you any pause for thought?
It remains impossible for the House to force a referendum on the government if the government remains opposed to such a public vote. The House can create trouble for the government by voting down what the government proposes but what it can't do is create the time and space to pass a full Bill against the government's wishes, and for that vote to be held before the end of March. Even if there was a notional majority for an EURef2, once you get into the detail, the initiative would fall apart.
What I do concede is just about possible is for the government to switch to accepting a referendum on a No Deal / Remain choice, given that the government has just trashed its own deal and there's no other one available.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
That would have been a national scandal a few years ago. Now everyone just shrugs and forgets about it 5 minutes later.
I don't think we will forget about this, at least not in London (as it looks like we Londoners are gonna have to pony up the money). This is bad news for Sadiq Khan, as there are very serious questions being asked about when exactly he knew Crossrail was in trouble, and why didn't he say anything....
He could end up in court.
'Delayed indefinitely' is new. There's evidently some big issues with something; as the tunnels are complete, as are most of the stations, and they are running test trains, my guess is the very complex signalling systems. Probably wrong, though.
As you say, the question is when people knew that the project was in trouble.
It was reported that the FCA is looking into what was known and when and what was said publicly. Keeping information to yourself when a statement to the markets was needed is very naughty indeed.
What I do concede is just about possible is for the government to switch to accepting a referendum on a No Deal / Remain choice, given that the government has just trashed its own deal and there's no other one available.
If they did that, it would get amended to a Revoke/Some Deal referendum, surely.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Is not understanding irony an indicator of stupidity, being a Leave supporter or both?
The British Government agreed to it as well, it is the House of Commons that has not endorsed the agreement as yet hence todays events. So 28 is accurate.
The solution to all this has to be a government of national unity, with a sensible moderate for PM, with a grown up deputy PM from HMO. People respected by the house who have strong experience of government. Step forward Ken Clarke and Hilary Benn....the country needs you
Magic Grandpa and Marxist McDonnell are not going to agree to that. This is there once in a lifetime chance to run the show and tear down the system and enact their socialist paradise.
They only get that chance after a crisis in the real world, not just the political one.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
I'd say virtually no chance Brexit will happen now. The timing of the ECJ verdict is so convenient as well. All the pieces are falling into place - or shambling into place perhaps. Reality is a Remain parliament was never going to implement it.
If the EU wanted to be naughty they could just point to today's ECJ decision and remind the British government that if they don't like the deal on offer there is an alternative available.
Anyway, bollocks to all this.
I've just got myself a new client and some work in NY next year! All has to be finalised and many a slip and all that but still am feeling unaccountably pleased. Plus a judge this morning described some work I'd done as "excellent" and judges don't often praise people.
Anyway, time to put my inner @SeanT away and get back to doing some more work.
Not only do I have to buy more beans and lentils but need to buy more tulip bulbs to replace those the blasted squirrel keeps stealing.....
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
Really - are you so very sure of that?
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
If the EU wanted to be naughty they could just point to today's ECJ decision and remind the British government that if they don't like the deal on offer there is an alternative available.
Anyway, bollocks to all this.
I've just got myself a new client and some work in NY next year! All has to be finalised and many a slip and all that but still am feeling unaccountably pleased. Plus a judge this morning described some work I'd done as "excellent" and judges don't often praise people.
Anyway, time to put my inner @SeanT away and get back to doing some more work.
Not only do I have to buy more beans and lentils but need to buy more tulip bulbs to replace those the blasted squirrel keeps stealing.....
Keep those squirrels plump, they may well be very prized foodstuffs come April.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
Really - are you so very sure of that?
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
Really - are you so very sure of that?
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
Many Remainers are strong on the will of the people - they want them to have a vote rather than the monkeys who voted last time
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
Reign it in man.
Just because you don't like the fact you lost the referendum, nor do many MPs, doesn't change matters. It will be unpleasant for this country if we remain having voted to Leave. There will be many voters easy pickings to firebrands screeching "what part of no don't they understand".
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
A general election solves NOTHING there is no majority in the Commons for Corbyn's Brexit plus permanent Customs Union either
A general election could solve that problem!
So could a government of national unity that excludes the ERG rather than letting them have a third of the seats in the Cabinet as they do now. Sure, it would mean the end of the Tory party in its present form. If I were Corbyn I'd consider that a result.
Speaking as a Liberal Leaver, I have virtually abandoned all hope of Leaving sans catastrophe, and if the alternative is a GE and a probable Corbyn government, I would rather have a 2nd referendum, and then I suspect I would vote, sadly and with some self hatred, for Remain.
This is coming down to realpolitik - and seriously nasty economic choices.
You dolt. It was obvious that this would happen. That you are surprised (are you surprised) is about the only thing that is mildly surprising but then you were never that sharp to start with, albeit you have a great literary turn of phrase.
Its a tragedy to think about the way the UK could have been reshaping the EU at the moment if the UK had voted to Remain. Oh well.
Voting leave was always the nuclear option and it was a delusion that a finely calibrated new arrangement could have been reached by taking ourselves out of the decision making room.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
Reign it in man.
Just because you don't like the fact you lost the referendum, nor do many MPs, doesn't change matters. It will be unpleasant for this country if we remain having voted to Leave. There will be many voters easy pickings to firebrands screeching "what part of no don't they understand".
A general election solves NOTHING there is no majority in the Commons for Corbyn's Brexit plus permanent Customs Union either
A general election could solve that problem!
So could a government of national unity that excludes the ERG rather than letting them have a third of the seats in the Cabinet as they do now. Sure, it would mean the end of the Tory party in its present form. If I were Corbyn I'd consider that a result.
Speaking as a Liberal Leaver, I have virtually abandoned all hope of Leaving sans catastrophe, and if the alternative is a GE and a probable Corbyn government, I would rather have a 2nd referendum, and then I suspect I would vote, sadly and with some self hatred, for Remain.
This is coming down to realpolitik - and seriously nasty economic choices.
You dolt. It was obvious that this would happen. That you are surprised (are you surprised) is about the only thing that is mildly surprising but then you were never that sharp to start with, albeit you have a great literary turn of phrase.
Its a tragedy to think about the way the UK could have been reshaping the EU at the moment if the UK had voted to Remain. Oh well.
Voting leave was always the nuclear option and it was a delusion that a finely calibrated new arrangement could have been reached by taking ourselves out of the decision making room.
DUP source: "This is an unbelievable situation. She's intending to bat for Britain? Who believes that after a week-and-a-half of her saying this was a good deal. It is beyond belief" 1/
DUP source: "She can't pretend she's dodged a bullet. Pulling the vote is an admission of abject failure, who has no credibility" Do the Conservatives need a new leader? "We're not getting involved in internal Tory battles [I think implication is yes] 2/
DUP Source: "We warned her the Withdrawal Agreement should never have been signed. We warned her not to go down that route. She's reaping the rewards for her arrogance in pushing on with it anyway" 3/
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
That is a nasty post.
I have been to New Zealand several times and it has an excellent racial mix, especially from Asia
A general election solves NOTHING there is no majority in the Commons for Corbyn's Brexit plus permanent Customs Union either
A general election could solve that problem!
So could a government of national unity that excludes the ERG rather than letting them have a third of the seats in the Cabinet as they do now. Sure, it would mean the end of the Tory party in its present form. If I were Corbyn I'd consider that a result.
Speaking as a Liberal Leaver, I have virtually abandoned all hope of Leaving sans catastrophe, and if the alternative is a GE and a probable Corbyn government, I would rather have a 2nd referendum, and then I suspect I would vote, sadly and with some self hatred, for Remain.
This is coming down to realpolitik - and seriously nasty economic choices.
You dolt. It was obvious that this would happen. That you are surprised (are you surprised) is about the only thing that is mildly surprising but then you were never that sharp to start with, albeit you have a great literary turn of phrase.
Its a tragedy to think about the way the UK could have been reshaping the EU at the moment if the UK had voted to Remain. Oh well.
Voting leave was always the nuclear option and it was a delusion that a finely calibrated new arrangement could have been reached by taking ourselves out of the decision making room.
Delusional to think the UK could ever shape the EU.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
Reign it in man.
Just because you don't like the fact you lost the referendum, nor do many MPs, doesn't change matters. It will be unpleasant for this country if we remain having voted to Leave. There will be many voters easy pickings to firebrands screeching "what part of no don't they understand".
Or unpleasant things like "drain the swamp".
That maybe what fanatics like you hope, the reality is more likely to be "oh well that was a waste of time". Most people who voted Leave are not firebrands, they just read too much Daily Express, and have the demographic to match. They might go all gammon, but they will not be rioting in their bathchairs.
DUP source: "This is an unbelievable situation. She's intending to bat for Britain? Who believes that after a week-and-a-half of her saying this was a good deal. It is beyond belief" 1/
DUP source: "She can't pretend she's dodged a bullet. Pulling the vote is an admission of abject failure, who has no credibility" Do the Conservatives need a new leader? "We're not getting involved in internal Tory battles [I think implication is yes] 2/
DUP Source: "We warned her the Withdrawal Agreement should never have been signed. We warned her not to go down that route. She's reaping the rewards for her arrogance in pushing on with it anyway" 3/
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.
DUP source: "This is an unbelievable situation. She's intending to bat for Britain? Who believes that after a week-and-a-half of her saying this was a good deal. It is beyond belief" 1/
DUP source: "She can't pretend she's dodged a bullet. Pulling the vote is an admission of abject failure, who has no credibility" Do the Conservatives need a new leader? "We're not getting involved in internal Tory battles [I think implication is yes] 2/
DUP Source: "We warned her the Withdrawal Agreement should never have been signed. We warned her not to go down that route. She's reaping the rewards for her arrogance in pushing on with it anyway" 3/
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.
Old Vodka going public like this is, I suspect, as much for consumption amongst the 27 as for anyone else. Why do these sort of people seem to favour having minders on show with them - closet mafiosa?
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
That is a nasty post.
I have been to New Zealand several times and it has an excellent racial mix, especially from Asia
Fair point, but many Brexiteers see it as 1950s utopia and dream that we should be the same
DUP source: "This is an unbelievable situation. She's intending to bat for Britain? Who believes that after a week-and-a-half of her saying this was a good deal. It is beyond belief" 1/
DUP source: "She can't pretend she's dodged a bullet. Pulling the vote is an admission of abject failure, who has no credibility" Do the Conservatives need a new leader? "We're not getting involved in internal Tory battles [I think implication is yes] 2/
DUP Source: "We warned her the Withdrawal Agreement should never have been signed. We warned her not to go down that route. She's reaping the rewards for her arrogance in pushing on with it anyway" 3/
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
If the EU wanted to be naughty they could just point to today's ECJ decision and remind the British government that if they don't like the deal on offer there is an alternative available.
Anyway, bollocks to all this.
I've just got myself a new client and some work in NY next year! All has to be finalised and many a slip and all that but still am feeling unaccountably pleased. Plus a judge this morning described some work I'd done as "excellent" and judges don't often praise people.
Anyway, time to put my inner @SeanT away and get back to doing some more work.
Not only do I have to buy more beans and lentils but need to buy more tulip bulbs to replace those the blasted squirrel keeps stealing.....
We had hundreds of tulips until this spring. Then we had about 3. Something took them, whether squirrels, mice or the Beast From the East. Been planting a bunch of replacements this morning. But in pots that I can put wire over the top of, until they emerge.
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
prick
If ever one needed evidence of the stupidity and dim-wittedness of the average leaver, your post just demonstrated it
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
That is a nasty post.
I have been to New Zealand several times and it has an excellent racial mix, especially from Asia
Fair point, but many Brexiteers see it as 1950s utopia and dream that we should be the same
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
Really - are you so very sure of that?
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendum
How seriously is the DUP taking the PM's u-turn on the vote? Not very. Sammy Wilson: 'She can try all the clever ruses she wants but without changing the withdrawal agreement it's meaningless. 'She is just showing her own incompetence. She has lost credibility'
Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.
Really - are you so very sure of that?
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendum
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.
DUP source: "This is an unbelievable situation. She's intending to bat for Britain? Who believes that after a week-and-a-half of her saying this was a good deal. It is beyond belief" 1/
DUP source: "She can't pretend she's dodged a bullet. Pulling the vote is an admission of abject failure, who has no credibility" Do the Conservatives need a new leader? "We're not getting involved in internal Tory battles [I think implication is yes] 2/
DUP Source: "We warned her the Withdrawal Agreement should never have been signed. We warned her not to go down that route. She's reaping the rewards for her arrogance in pushing on with it anyway" 3/
Her whole dismal tenure has been marked by arrogance.
Arrogance in thinking she could win an easy election. Arrogance in thinking she didn't need to bother to campaign or turn up to the debates. Arrogance in thinking that everyone in the Cabinet would fall into line on Chequers. Arrogantly letting it be known she'd make the Cabinet leave Chequers without their vehicles if they didn't agree to it, so instead resignations just happened once people were home (duh!). Arrogance in thinking the EU would just fall in behind Chequers. Arrogance in thinking Parliament had no choice but to back her. Arrogance in thinking that when her own MPs and her allies were screaming they wouldn't back this that she could just go over their heads.
I've never respected a leader less. Especially a leader who is meant to be 'my' parties leader.
Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
In the hands of your mate Corbyn. He just needs to vote for the deal and we're out.
Your mate MAY is 100% responsible for this, even you know it.
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers
She's not my mate, and she's most certainly not responsible for it. For all her many faults, it's hardly her fault that Corbyn torpedoed the Labour remain campaign, nor that the EU are intransigent, nor that Corbyn is playing cynical party-political games, and especially not that the ERG have decided they don't want the Brexit they campaigned for after all. And it's only partly her fault that the voters didn't give her the mandate she needed to get through all this.
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
In the hands of your mate Corbyn. He just needs to vote for the deal and we're out.
Your mate MAY is 100% responsible for this, even you know it.
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers
She's not my mate, and she's most certainly not responsible for it. For all her many faults, it's hardly her fault that Corbyn torpedoed the Labour remain campaign, nor that the EU are intransigent, nor that Corbyn is playing cynical party-political games, and especially not that the ERG have decided they don't want the Brexit they campaigned for after all. And it's only partly her fault that the voters didn't give her the mandate she needed to get through all this.
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These are the people who appear on my Facebook page calling for May to be tried for treason.
Somewhere in all of this, the roubles are still being spent by someone, and the second referendum could be already lost before it is even underway.
https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1072133531806130176
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Watch out for Gove arriving with a particularly heavy speech........
What I do concede is just about possible is for the government to switch to accepting a referendum on a No Deal / Remain choice, given that the government has just trashed its own deal and there's no other one available.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
Anyway, bollocks to all this.
I've just got myself a new client and some work in NY next year! All has to be finalised and many a slip and all that but still am feeling unaccountably pleased. Plus a judge this morning described some work I'd done as "excellent" and judges don't often praise people.
Anyway, time to put my inner @SeanT away and get back to doing some more work.
Not only do I have to buy more beans and lentils but need to buy more tulip bulbs to replace those the blasted squirrel keeps stealing.....
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1072139042601533442
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
https://twitter.com/Poundland/status/1071736389790769152?s=19
Or unpleasant things like "drain the swamp".
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
Its a tragedy to think about the way the UK could have been reshaping the EU at the moment if the UK had voted to Remain. Oh well.
Voting leave was always the nuclear option and it was a delusion that a finely calibrated new arrangement could have been reached by taking ourselves out of the decision making room.
DUP source: "This is an unbelievable situation. She's intending to bat for Britain? Who believes that after a week-and-a-half of her saying this was a good deal. It is beyond belief" 1/
DUP source: "She can't pretend she's dodged a bullet. Pulling the vote is an admission of abject failure, who has no credibility" Do the Conservatives need a new leader? "We're not getting involved in internal Tory battles [I think implication is yes] 2/
DUP Source: "We warned her the Withdrawal Agreement should never have been signed. We warned her not to go down that route. She's reaping the rewards for her arrogance in pushing on with it anyway" 3/
https://twitter.com/BethRigby
Riots are inevitable if we do not Leave IMO
I have been to New Zealand several times and it has an excellent racial mix, especially from Asia
May's deal passes
DUP join the VONC.
General Election.
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU, YOU DIMWITS.
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!
I take it you’ve not been around for one of TSE’s AV threads?
Sorry, this reply aimed at Nigel_Foremain
Her whole dismal tenure has been marked by arrogance.
Arrogance in thinking she could win an easy election.
Arrogance in thinking she didn't need to bother to campaign or turn up to the debates.
Arrogance in thinking that everyone in the Cabinet would fall into line on Chequers.
Arrogantly letting it be known she'd make the Cabinet leave Chequers without their vehicles if they didn't agree to it, so instead resignations just happened once people were home (duh!).
Arrogance in thinking the EU would just fall in behind Chequers.
Arrogance in thinking Parliament had no choice but to back her.
Arrogance in thinking that when her own MPs and her allies were screaming they wouldn't back this that she could just go over their heads.
I've never respected a leader less. Especially a leader who is meant to be 'my' parties leader.
Confident Leave would win with a (fuck the establishment) increased majority
Just 27 minutes until May is inevitably late to her own statement.