The Hungarian government has passed a set of controversial laws amid scenes of chaos, as opposition MPs sounded sirens, blew whistles and angrily confronted the country’s rightwing prime minister.
One of the new laws raises the amount of overtime employers can demand their employees work and has been labelled a “slave law” by critics. Another establishes new courts to consider government business with a greater role for the justice minister.
We're a decimal culture. Over/Under 100 for non May votes and Over/Under 200 for May votes will be the psychological barriers however arbitrary they are. If the rebels score one she's in trouble, if the score both she's finished. If they score neither she gets a few days momentum before the routed ERGers turn to metaphorical terrorist tactics.
Psychological barriers are irrelevant, as long as May wins she wins, she cannot be toppled before Brexit
We're a decimal culture. Over/Under 100 for non May votes and Over/Under 200 for May votes will be the psychological barriers however arbitrary they are. If the rebels score one she's in trouble, if the score both she's finished. If they score neither she gets a few days momentum before the routed ERGers turn to metaphorical terrorist tactics.
Psychological barriers are irrelevant, as long as May wins she wins, she cannot be toppled before Brexit
I disagree. That just isn't how politics in general or a parliamentary system works.
Yes. We already agreed this afternoon that a piece of bacon rind I took out of my kicthen sink's drain is the next DexEU SoS. Cyclefree and I drew up the Cabinet positions earlier and they are upthread.
There is still some debate about the 18 goldfish however, but Charles is looking into the fish tank....
The Cat is now back, a bit spaced out but otherwise OK and looking forward to running the country once he has had his special post-op dinner and a good sleep.
I too am looking forward to managing his PM's salary since there is an enormous hole in my savings caused by the vet's bill.
I presume that there is an equally large hole in his future reproductive capacity?
Glad that Tuss is otherwise OK
That was done ages ago. This was to deal with an injury which led to a lot of unpleasant bleeding on my sofa and an emergency trip to the animal hospital, plus some work on his teeth.
I rather wish one of my children had trained as a vet. They wouldn't want for money, whatever happens......
One of my nieces trained as a vet, She has an enormous student debt. Unfortunately, she lives at the other end of the country. Fortunately I no longer have the cat.
If it was going to be that close then I think the MPs would organise it so she loses, it's worse for her to be told to step down by the cabinet than to lose.
I think we already knew Trump was no great respected of women before the last election anyway and with the Senate still GOP an impeachment is unlikely to succeed
We're a decimal culture. Over/Under 100 for non May votes and Over/Under 200 for May votes will be the psychological barriers however arbitrary they are. If the rebels score one she's in trouble, if the score both she's finished. If they score neither she gets a few days momentum before the routed ERGers turn to metaphorical terrorist tactics.
Psychological barriers are irrelevant, as long as May wins she wins, she cannot be toppled before Brexit
I disagree. That just isn't how politics in general or a parliamentary system works.
This is the Maybot we are talking about, if she wins tonight that is it, she will go as programmed through past Brexit day and Tory MPs can no longer do a thing about it
Yes. We already agreed this afternoon that a piece of bacon rind I took out of my kicthen sink's drain is the next DexEU SoS. Cyclefree and I drew up the Cabinet positions earlier and they are upthread.
There is still some debate about the 18 goldfish however, but Charles is looking into the fish tank....
The Cat is now back, a bit spaced out but otherwise OK and looking forward to running the country once he has had his special post-op dinner and a good sleep.
I too am looking forward to managing his PM's salary since there is an enormous hole in my savings caused by the vet's bill.
I presume that there is an equally large hole in his future reproductive capacity?
Glad that Tuss is otherwise OK
That was done ages ago. This was to deal with an injury which led to a lot of unpleasant bleeding on my sofa and an emergency trip to the animal hospital, plus some work on his teeth.
I rather wish one of my children had trained as a vet. They wouldn't want for money, whatever happens......
One of my nieces trained as a vet, She has an enormous student debt. Unfortunately, she lives at the other end of the country. Fortunately I no longer have the cat.
Yes. We already agreed this afternoon that a piece of bacon rind I took out of my kicthen sink's drain is the next DexEU SoS. Cyclefree and I drew up the Cabinet positions earlier and they are upthread.
There is still some debate about the 18 goldfish however, but Charles is looking into the fish tank....
The Cat is now back, a bit spaced out but otherwise OK and looking forward to running the country once he has had his special post-op dinner and a good sleep.
I too am looking forward to managing his PM's salary since there is an enormous hole in my savings caused by the vet's bill.
I presume that there is an equally large hole in his future reproductive capacity?
Glad that Tuss is otherwise OK
That was done ages ago. This was to deal with an injury which led to a lot of unpleasant bleeding on my sofa and an emergency trip to the animal hospital, plus some work on his teeth.
I rather wish one of my children had trained as a vet. They wouldn't want for money, whatever happens......
One of my nieces trained as a vet, She has an enormous student debt. Unfortunately, she lives at the other end of the country. Fortunately I no longer have the cat.
Unfortunately, no really, orange guppy "Donald" has passed away.
Yes. We already agreed this afternoon that a piece of bacon rind I took out of my kicthen sink's drain is the next DexEU SoS. Cyclefree and I drew up the Cabinet positions earlier and they are upthread.
There is still some debate about the 18 goldfish however, but Charles is looking into the fish tank....
The Cat is now back, a bit spaced out but otherwise OK and looking forward to running the country once he has had his special post-op dinner and a good sleep.
I too am looking forward to managing his PM's salary since there is an enormous hole in my savings caused by the vet's bill.
I presume that there is an equally large hole in his future reproductive capacity?
Glad that Tuss is otherwise OK
That was done ages ago. This was to deal with an injury which led to a lot of unpleasant bleeding on my sofa and an emergency trip to the animal hospital, plus some work on his teeth.
I rather wish one of my children had trained as a vet. They wouldn't want for money, whatever happens......
One of my nieces trained as a vet, She has an enormous student debt. Unfortunately, she lives at the other end of the country. Fortunately I no longer have the cat.
Unfortunately, no really, orange guppy "Donald" has passed away.
Yes. We already agreed this afternoon that a piece of bacon rind I took out of my kicthen sink's drain is the next DexEU SoS. Cyclefree and I drew up the Cabinet positions earlier and they are upthread.
There is still some debate about the 18 goldfish however, but Charles is looking into the fish tank....
The Cat is now back, a bit spaced out but otherwise OK and looking forward to running the country once he has had his special post-op dinner and a good sleep.
I too am looking forward to managing his PM's salary since there is an enormous hole in my savings caused by the vet's bill.
I presume that there is an equally large hole in his future reproductive capacity?
Glad that Tuss is otherwise OK
That was done ages ago. This was to deal with an injury which led to a lot of unpleasant bleeding on my sofa and an emergency trip to the animal hospital, plus some work on his teeth.
I rather wish one of my children had trained as a vet. They wouldn't want for money, whatever happens......
One of my nieces trained as a vet, She has an enormous student debt. Unfortunately, she lives at the other end of the country. Fortunately I no longer have the cat.
When you get vets bills........
Be thankful for the NHS.
Our dog opted to save his £25 p.m. insurance premiums and fund his own medical bills.
Five years on he was doing quite well but had to dip into them when he cut his paw a few months ago.
If it was going to be that close then I think the MPs would organise it so she loses, it's worse for her to be told to step down by the cabinet than to lose.
My reasoning for such a close result is that ever since 23rd June 2016 the country has been split down the middle and I expect this leadership ballot will be pretty much a reflection of that (albeit in a different way)
is it like a GE? Can you draw an obscenity in the box and still have it count?
Interesting question. I don't know. True story - I was helping scrutinise contested ballot papers during a council recount once. Incumbent councillor was 24 votes behind. Returning Officer showed us a ballot paper with a perfectly drawn c*ck and balls complete with p*bic hair in the councillors box. Valid vote under ' voters intention is clear ' but we all looked at her to see if she was desperate enough to claim it. " I'll take that ! " she exclaimed.
One of them turns to the other and says “how do you drive this thing?”
A man walks into a bar and orders a pack of cheese & onion and a pint. The barman says "We only have Ready Salted". "OK" says the man who then pays, drinks up and puts the crisps on his head and starts to leave
"Hey!" says the barman "why have you put those Ready Salted on your head?"
"Because you did not have any Cheese & Onion" says the man.
I know - it's hilarious.
It used to be an Irishman, but in these politically correct days....
Yes. We already agreed this afternoon that a piece of bacon rind I took out of my kicthen sink's drain is the next DexEU SoS. Cyclefree and I drew up the Cabinet positions earlier and they are upthread.
There is still some debate about the 18 goldfish however, but Charles is looking into the fish tank....
The Cat is now back, a bit spaced out but otherwise OK and looking forward to running the country once he has had his special post-op dinner and a good sleep.
I too am looking forward to managing his PM's salary since there is an enormous hole in my savings caused by the vet's bill.
I presume that there is an equally large hole in his future reproductive capacity?
Glad that Tuss is otherwise OK
That was done ages ago. This was to deal with an injury which led to a lot of unpleasant bleeding on my sofa and an emergency trip to the animal hospital, plus some work on his teeth.
I rather wish one of my children had trained as a vet. They wouldn't want for money, whatever happens......
One of my nieces trained as a vet, She has an enormous student debt. Unfortunately, she lives at the other end of the country. Fortunately I no longer have the cat.
Unfortunately, no really, orange guppy "Donald" has passed away.
On the published timetable there is an hour between the voting closing and the result announcement. Betfair should move if the consensus on her wining is wrong. I've decided to go down with the ship on my modest Betfair trading position which has been untradable.
If you think that the Conservatives will vote Mrs May out of office, you are mistaken. That would mean handing the Party over to Brexiteers, which the main corpus of the Party will be unwilling to do. They would rather stick with May, warts and all, for a pro-European pseudo-Brexit.
A man walks into a bar and orders a pack of cheese & onion and a pint. The barman says "We only have Ready Salted". "OK" says the man who then pays, drinks up and puts the crisps on his head and starts to leave
"Hey!" says the barman "why have you put those Ready Salted on your head?"
"Because you did not have any Cheese & Onion" says the man.
I know - it's hilarious.
It used to be an Irishman, but in these politically correct days....
A man walks into a bar and orders a pack of cheese & onion and a pint. The barman says "We only have Ready Salted". "OK" says the man who then pays, drinks up and puts the crisps on his head and starts to leave
"Hey!" says the barman "why have you put those Ready Salted on your head?"
"Because you did not have any Cheese & Onion" says the man.
I know - it's hilarious.
It used to be an Irishman, but in these politically correct days....
I'm sure his campaign finance violations will be prosecuted exactly as hard as Obama's were, right?
Then again, the idea that the National Enquirer could influence anything, let alone a presidential election, is not entirely credible...
You need to read the 4 part popbitch article on the history of the national inquirer. While it may not have influenced things it knows exactly what it needed to talk about to sell papers and what those people needed to do to appear continually in their papers
So influenced no but it probably was happy to help one if it’s biggest news personalities out once in a while
Since the consensus is that she's going to win with room to spare, I'm going to predict that they vote her out..
I have not got a scooby. Seriously. I couldn't even guess. I think she'll win less than expected and everybody will go "Oh, that was closer that I thought". But as for whether she'll win or lose: no idea.
Can I suggest my daughter's cat Cinnamon for PM. This is a cat who plans ahead, who can undertake complex tasks such as getting bags of treats from high level closed cupboards, who understands the consequences of his actions so that he proceeds to hide those bags of treats for later consumption when he is less likely to be troubled and who fully appreciates that when someone leaves a seat they leave some warmth that can be utilised if you move quickly.
I can’t recall when I last saw evidence of such clear thinking at Westminster. Possibly during the Coalition.
Deputy PM. My cat won the PM spot earlier.
One of my other cats has learnt how to get food out of a closed Tupperware container. Definitely Chancellor material.
is it like a GE? Can you draw an obscenity in the box and still have it count?
Interesting question. I don't know. True story - I was helping scrutinise contested ballot papers during a council recount once. Incumbent councillor was 24 votes behind. Returning Officer showed us a ballot paper with a perfectly drawn c*ck and balls complete with p*bic hair in the councillors box. Valid vote under ' voters intention is clear ' but we all looked at her to see if she was desperate enough to claim it. " I'll take that ! " she exclaimed.
I was once agent for a friend who was standing for the Tories in a no hope council seat in Birmingham city centre. The returning officer showed us the disputed ballots including one who had written "WANKER" next to Robert's name. I was proud to have it included as an unambiguous choice for one candidate only.
Given the hopeless way May has managed Brexit I can't see a positive reason for voting for her. My instinct is that this is going to be close.
Quite - the reasons for May seem to be
1) She tries hard 2) It's not a good time 3) She hasn't lost the vote yet
Compelling..
Plus no alternative polls any better, there is no better Deal on the table and indeed it is possible if she goes a No Dealer could win
"Nobody else polls better" - compelling....
It is given most poll worse and make a Corbyn premiership more likely, at least if someone takes over before the next general election now there is room for a fresh face
What would the worse result be? 200+ for may but 100+ against perhaps. A third of her party having no confidence in her would be extremely damaging but shed be within her right to plod on
Since the consensus is that she's going to win with room to spare, I'm going to predict that they vote her out..
I have not got a scooby. Seriously. I couldn't even guess. I think she'll win less than expected and everybody will go "Oh, that was closer that I thought". But as for whether she'll win or lose: no idea.
I think that's probably right.
But unless it's really, really close (like 55:45), then I don't see her stepping down.
For the record, I think the total number of votes cast will be rather fewer than people are forecasting, and there'll be at least 20 absentions/spoilt ballots.
What would the worse result be? 200+ for may but 100+ against perhaps. A third of her party having no confidence in her would be extremely damaging but shed be within her right to plod on
What would the worse result be? 200+ for may but 100+ against perhaps. A third of her party having no confidence in her would be extremely damaging but shed be within her right to plod on
What would the worse result be? 200+ for may but 100+ against perhaps. A third of her party having no confidence in her would be extremely damaging but shed be within her right to plod on
I hope very much that a heavily wounded Theresa May wins the vote and pledges to go on and on. Perhaps with a chunky cabinet reshuffle now that she has the Full Support of the party.
Having negotiated a deal so dead that it can't even be voted on by Parliament. Having been told repeatedly that the deal is the deal and no renegotiation. Having whats left of the Maybot somehow still in office unable to do literally anything at all will be great fun.
I hope Tory MPs considered this - saying "I will quit" makes them understand the leadership has to be resolved with someone else. And that the continuation of May makes a crash election far more likely. Which she will lead...
What would the worse result be? 200+ for may but 100+ against perhaps. A third of her party having no confidence in her would be extremely damaging but shed be within her right to plod on
What would the worse result be? 200+ for may but 100+ against perhaps. A third of her party having no confidence in her would be extremely damaging but shed be within her right to plod on
157, 158 or more she will go on regardless
You’re delusional
Nope those are the rules
Oh well done. That doesn’t mean she wouldn’t get the hint. It would be impossible for her to retain any authority or credibility if half her party have no confidence in her.
I hope very much that a heavily wounded Theresa May wins the vote and pledges to go on and on. Perhaps with a chunky cabinet reshuffle now that she has the Full Support of the party.
Having negotiated a deal so dead that it can't even be voted on by Parliament. Having been told repeatedly that the deal is the deal and no renegotiation. Having whats left of the Maybot somehow still in office unable to do literally anything at all will be great fun.
I hope Tory MPs considered this - saying "I will quit" makes them understand the leadership has to be resolved with someone else. And that the continuation of May makes a crash election far more likely. Which she will lead...
If she just about wins and decides to carry on, there’s probably Cabinet resignations coming tomorrow. It’s going be like Thatcher in 1990, albeit under a different system.
Since the consensus is that she's going to win with room to spare, I'm going to predict that they vote her out..
I have not got a scooby. Seriously. I couldn't even guess. I think she'll win less than expected and everybody will go "Oh, that was closer that I thought". But as for whether she'll win or lose: no idea.
I think that's probably right.
But unless it's really, really close (like 55:45), then I don't see her stepping down.
For the record, I think the total number of votes cast will be rather fewer than people are forecasting, and there'll be at least 20 absentions/spoilt ballots.
Seriously? You are joking? What would the point be of abstaining or spoiling a ballot paper? An appalling dereliction of duty if any Toty MP did.
In the US, the view is increasingly that Trump is likely to end up prosecuted post-Presidency. There's tax evasion regarding the Fred Trump legacy. There's campaign finance violations. There's potentially obstruction of justice. The first of these is by far the most serious charges, and is the one that has been the subject of the least headlines.
Some of my conservative friends - engaging in a little bit of wishful thinking, perhaps - think that the best way forward would be for Trumo to stand down ahead of the 2020 election so that President Pence can preemptively pardon him. (As Ford did with Nixon.)
Since the consensus is that she's going to win with room to spare, I'm going to predict that they vote her out..
I have not got a scooby. Seriously. I couldn't even guess. I think she'll win less than expected and everybody will go "Oh, that was closer that I thought". But as for whether she'll win or lose: no idea.
I think that's probably right.
But unless it's really, really close (like 55:45), then I don't see her stepping down.
For the record, I think the total number of votes cast will be rather fewer than people are forecasting, and there'll be at least 20 absentions/spoilt ballots.
Seriously? You are joking? What would the point be of abstaining or spoiling a ballot paper? An appalling dereliction of duty if any Toty MP did.
In the US, the view is increasingly that Trump is likely to end up prosecuted post-Presidency. There's tax evasion regarding the Fred Trump legacy. There's campaign finance violations. There's potentially obstruction of justice. The first of these is by far the most serious charges, and is the one that has been the subject of the least headlines.
Some of my conservative friends - engaging in a little bit of wishful thinking, perhaps - think that the best way forward would be for Trumo to stand down ahead of the 2020 election so that President Pence can preemptively pardon him. (As Ford did with Nixon.)
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Not May 72
ERG a legend only in their own liquid lunchtimes
No May 98
Not May 118
One of the new laws raises the amount of overtime employers can demand their employees work and has been labelled a “slave law” by critics. Another establishes new courts to consider government business with a greater role for the justice minister.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/hungary-passes-slave-law-prompting-fury-among-opposition-mps
And I hope the winnets who put in the 48 letters lose their seats at the GE or are deselected.
90-109 band favourite, but 70-89 is 2nd fav.
I think SPIN higher because more scope for upside than downside.
Against May: 153
There’s got to be a dozen or two of the payroll vote who will voice their support in public, yet vote against in the privacy of the polling booth?
There are two fish in a tank
One of them turns to the other and says “how do you drive this thing?”
Be thankful for the NHS.
The ballot paper of @margot_james_mp https://t.co/OpgE6CjNdR https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1072931880293621767?s=17
Then again, the idea that the National Enquirer could influence anything, let alone a presidential election, is not entirely credible...
Boris has the highest number saying he would be a good PM on 22%, Javid the highest net rating on -18%.
Gove does worst on -41% followed by Hunt on -36%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/12/who-could-succeed-theresa-may
Five years on he was doing quite well but had to dip into them when he cut his paw a few months ago.
I've told him once it's gone, it's gone.
A man walks into a bar and orders a pack of cheese & onion and a pint. The barman says "We only have Ready Salted". "OK" says the man who then pays, drinks up and puts the crisps on his head and starts to leave
"Hey!" says the barman "why have you put those Ready Salted on your head?"
"Because you did not have any Cheese & Onion" says the man.
I know - it's hilarious.
It used to be an Irishman, but in these politically correct days....
To get to the idiot's house.
Knock Knock
Who's there?
The chicken...
But if May wins, surely Corbyn should tighten - as May safe for a year and significant risk Govt loses confidence vote if WA passes.
Listen to the rest of the interview. He makes his contempt for Boris and the other Brexiteers clear.
So influenced no but it probably was happy to help one if it’s biggest news personalities out once in a while
One of my other cats has learnt how to get food out of a closed Tupperware container. Definitely Chancellor material.
1) She tries hard
2) It's not a good time
3) She hasn't lost the vote yet
Compelling..
But unless it's really, really close (like 55:45), then I don't see her stepping down.
For the record, I think the total number of votes cast will be rather fewer than people are forecasting, and there'll be at least 20 absentions/spoilt ballots.
Its like remain - there are no positive reasons only excuses that things might be worse.
Less than 60 she could probably call a win.
Having negotiated a deal so dead that it can't even be voted on by Parliament. Having been told repeatedly that the deal is the deal and no renegotiation. Having whats left of the Maybot somehow still in office unable to do literally anything at all will be great fun.
I hope Tory MPs considered this - saying "I will quit" makes them understand the leadership has to be resolved with someone else. And that the continuation of May makes a crash election far more likely. Which she will lead...
May has got a Deal which is more than many would have and as I said if she goes a No Dealer is possible.
Some of my conservative friends - engaging in a little bit of wishful thinking, perhaps - think that the best way forward would be for Trumo to stand down ahead of the 2020 election so that President Pence can preemptively pardon him. (As Ford did with Nixon.)
That's the line, right?
Huzzah!