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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793
    Roger said:

    Far-left and far-right Gilets Jaunes fighting each other again...

    Can't the left be Gilet Rouges?
    How are these people going to put up a list the European elections?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594

    ydoethur said:

    matt said:

    It varies, I think. Did governors ever have mascules though? I do feel that the political appointees (the local councillor in my experience) add little.

    Basically, the whole structure underpinning education is a disorganised shambles that needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt from first principles. But no politician would ever do it as it would mean ceding control to intelligent people who might do a good job and show them up,
    Hmmm, that comment in itself fills me with dread. In particular, the 'ceding control to intelligent people' bit.

    Far too many people think that, because they are intelligent, they can do anything. In fact, too often they've specialised down too an incredibly narrow area. To pick one example: they might be able to tell you the exact way to architect an RF chip, but not be able to work out how to open the fuel cap on a car. ;)

    I'm not saying that control should be ceded to thick people; just that intelligence - or even the ability to do one thing well - does not mean you'd be able to reorganise an education system that touches on a number of areas aside from education.

    I reckon if you got twenty very-educated, highly-intelligent teachers in a room, they wouldn't be able to agree what the outputs of the education system should be, yet alone how to achieve those outputs ...
    Politicians at this moment can't even agree what our education system is.

    I agree intelligence and sense are different things. At the moment we have neither. One would be an improvement.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,496
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    What bollocks.

    Ireland has recently been dragged into the twentieth century.....
    And Leavers have dragged the UK back to the 19th century .
    Thats not true. In the 19th Century we had thriving manufacturing industry, innovation, and a political class with vision. Not much like the future of Brexit Britain.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,496

    ydoethur said:

    matt said:

    It varies, I think. Did governors ever have mascules though? I do feel that the political appointees (the local councillor in my experience) add little.

    Basically, the whole structure underpinning education is a disorganised shambles that needs to be completely dismantled and rebuilt from first principles. But no politician would ever do it as it would mean ceding control to intelligent people who might do a good job and show them up,
    Hmmm, that comment in itself fills me with dread. In particular, the 'ceding control to intelligent people' bit.

    Far too many people think that, because they are intelligent, they can do anything. In fact, too often they've specialised down too an incredibly narrow area. To pick one example: they might be able to tell you the exact way to architect an RF chip, but not be able to work out how to open the fuel cap on a car. ;)

    I'm not saying that control should be ceded to thick people; just that intelligence - or even the ability to do one thing well - does not mean you'd be able to reorganise an education system that touches on a number of areas aside from education.

    I reckon if you got twenty very-educated, highly-intelligent teachers in a room, they wouldn't be able to agree what the outputs of the education system should be, yet alone how to achieve those outputs ...
    Because everyone has been to school, everyone thinks themselves knowledgeable about education policy. Health care has the same problem...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    I’m sure those political obsessives amongst us all remember the ‘Party Games’ episode of Yes Minister

    Not at all, and I certainly don't watch that episode many times every year.
  • They've only gone and improved the best biscuit in the world.

    Jaffa cakes now come in strawberry flavour.

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/worklife/a26249541/strawberry-jaffa-cakes/

    From genetically modified oranges that now taste of strawberry. Amazing what science can do these days. :-)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 12,698

    Guido's piece bigging up the Toyota news is uncharacteristically clueless even for Guido:

    "Funny how quiet the media was when another Japanese car giant did start a major new production line – just last month Toyota commenced production of the new 2019 Corolla at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire where over 3000 people are employed. The Corolla is not a niche SUV like the Nissan X-Trail, it is the best-selling car model in the world…"

    Yes. That's because the 2019 Corolla is replacing the 2018 Corolla (or the Auris, as it was branded). I'm not sure that if, say, McVities change the recipe for Jaffa Cakes, their revised production line is billed as a great economic win for Britain.

    Guildo is well known for pulling 'facts' out of his backside to cheer up his dwindling posse of oddballs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,496

    Foxy said:

    Far-left and far-right Gilets Jaunes fighting each other again...

    Those Remainers who've been losing their shit about the UK being "a failed state" might like to cast a glance over the Channel. I wonder how many of them have had a whiff of tear gas in the UK?
    The neon nazis and their left wing sparring partners are doing wonders for Macrons popularity though! Even frogs get pissed off at seeing the country smashed up by hooligans.
    survey from last week said the GJs had 64% support amongst the French public.

    Macrons bounce is because he is promising lots of goodies from his debat nationale Since lots of it is contradictory he has to disappioint some section of voters later in the year.
    They should respect the Will of the People in the last presidential elections.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
  • They've only gone and improved the best biscuit in the world.

    Jaffa cakes now come in strawberry flavour.

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/worklife/a26249541/strawberry-jaffa-cakes/

    Actually, they are cakes:

    "The product's classification as a cake or biscuit was part of a VAT tribunal in 1991, with the court finding in McVitie's favour that the Jaffa cake should be considered a cake for tax purposes."

    * The product's name was regarded as a minor consideration.
    * The ingredients were regarded as similar to those of a cake, producing a thin cake-like batter rather than the thick dough of a biscuit.
    * The product's texture was regarded as being that of a sponge cake.
    * The product hardens when stale, in the manner of a cake.
    * A substantial part of the Jaffa cake, in terms of bulk and texture, is sponge.
    The court found in favour of McVitie's and ruled that the product should be considered a cake, meaning that VAT is not paid on Jaffa cakes in the United Kingdom

    - https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/vat-food/vfood6260
    - VAT Tribunal case LON/91/0160 (United Biscuits)
    - Lee, Natalie (2011). Revenue Law Principles and Practice. A&C Black. p. 1009. ISBN 9781847667663.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    edited February 2019

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    What bollocks.

    Ireland has recently been dragged into the twentieth century.....
    More relevantly, the self pitying act from people who don't feel they can hold their head high because, horrors, Britain is undergoing an intense and difficult political debate, is just wearying. Nations go through torturous and self defeating politics sometimes. If other nations and peoples could not handle that no one would ever be able to hold their heads high. Brexit has gone badly, we would be better off remaining now, but my gods the endless whines that we are in the gutter and oh woe wah wah look how sad I am melodramatic stuff is both unconvincing and manufactured, no more than lazy, lazy virtue signalling (and let us not forget both left and right, brexit and remain, love to signal their virtue)
  • Scott_P said:
    He's gonna finally stump up the cash to employ a chauffeur? :lol:
  • Roger said:

    Far-left and far-right Gilets Jaunes fighting each other again...

    Can't the left be Gilet Rouges?
    The LibDems are the Gilet Jaunes, surely?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036
    kle4 said:
    He's going to keep the job of Leader of the Opposition?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908

    kle4 said:
    He's going to keep the job of Leader of the Opposition?
    His own backbenchers will find someone to fill that role, practically. No, he will become PM despite having the worst rating as opposition leader.(I'm assuming he will drop a little more)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    Just resign already Root.

    You're a rotten tactician and we need your runs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    ydoethur said:

    Just resign already Root.

    You're a rotten tactician and we need your runs.

    They were praising his new era of captaincy only a few months ago.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    matt said:

    The current retired generation have raised grabbing to an art form. Any word of complaint is normally met with a reference to WW2 (that a person has to be 90 or more to have fought is neither here nor there) or “we paid national insurance”.

    You missed out "We beat Hitler you know... Brexit is nuffink to worry about"
    I genuinely never hear the older folks I know talk like that.
    I will introduce you to my 93 y.o. mother-in-law. She will tell you everything you never wanted to know about the war ;)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Just resign already Root.

    You're a rotten tactician and we need your runs.

    They were praising his new era of captaincy only a few months ago.
    There were people who wanted Gatting to replace Gower. They were wring then and wrong now.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 12,698
    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Just resign already Root.

    You're a rotten tactician and we need your runs.

    They were praising his new era of captaincy only a few months ago.

    As recently as Sri Lanka.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    Christ on a bike, man! You just want it to be like that. Real life honestly doesn't mirror PB.com
    It is what it is !

    You can ignore the damage done to brand UK but you’re living in denial . Ireland on the other hand has made great strides in recent years and looks a much more welcoming country than Brexit Britain !
    I Think it's catching on in Ireland this mass immigration,very welcoming.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 28,507
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    For some people, Ireland is the new Sweden. At least till we have to bail out their banks again.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 29,793

    Roger said:

    Far-left and far-right Gilets Jaunes fighting each other again...

    Can't the left be Gilet Rouges?
    The LibDems are the Gilet Jaunes, surely?
    God no. These people are not even well mannered.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    For some people, Ireland is the new Sweden. At least till we have to bail out their banks again.
    We being the EU? I'm pleased your European identity is blossoming.
  • Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    For some people, Ireland is the new Sweden. At least till we have to bail out their banks again.
    Classic English arrogance on full display.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    For some people, Ireland is the new Sweden. At least till we have to bail out their banks again.
    Surely bailing out their banks made them more like Sweden?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_banking_rescue
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,314
    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
    Not a surprise but really one wonders what these farmers were thinking . Yes they might have had issues with the CAP but the Tories have been trying to lower subsidies for years in the EU . They will suffer and should have stopped to think before they voted against their own interests . There’s worse to come when the Tories throw them under the bus and let a flood of cheap imports in from the USA.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 28,507
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
    Not a surprise but really one wonders what these farmers were thinking . Yes they might have had issues with the CAP but the Tories have been trying to lower subsidies for years in the EU . They will suffer and should have stopped to think before they voted against their own interests . There’s worse to come when the Tories throw them under the bus and let a flood of cheap imports in from the USA.

    Reducing farm subsidies should be one of the good things about Brexit.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 12,698
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    Oddly enough a lot of property in the South of france is now being bought by the Irish. In Villefranche they are probably the largest non French population there. As for being crooks they are full of tales of gangsters and gangs in Dublin but I thought that was just blarney.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    edited February 2019
    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    Oddly enough a lot of property in the South of france is now being bought by the Irish. In Villefranche they are probably the largest non French population there. As for being crooks they are full of tales of gangsters and gangs in Dublin but I thought that was just blarney.
    I don't think anyone thought of the bankers as gangsters.

    Would have been most unfair, to gangsters at least.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Brexit: How the Poor Idiots got it Wrong



    I can think of many on here who wouldn't be out of place on Elite TV.

    ;-)
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    edited February 2019
    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,314
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
    Not a surprise but really one wonders what these farmers were thinking . Yes they might have had issues with the CAP but the Tories have been trying to lower subsidies for years in the EU . They will suffer and should have stopped to think before they voted against their own interests . There’s worse to come when the Tories throw them under the bus and let a flood of cheap imports in from the USA.

    Reducing farm subsidies should be one of the good things about Brexit.
    Not if you’re a farmer ! Anyway there are loads of sectors where people voted to screw themselves. Quite amazed at the self sacrifice of these selfless individuals who wanted to free Britain from the EU army which has been on the Mall for the last 40 years ! I’m sure Mogg will be thinking of them as he racks up the profits from shorting the pound .

    One mans disaster capitalist is another mans freedom fighter ! Bless Mogg , man of the people !
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 28,507
    nico67 said:

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
    Not a surprise but really one wonders what these farmers were thinking . Yes they might have had issues with the CAP but the Tories have been trying to lower subsidies for years in the EU . They will suffer and should have stopped to think before they voted against their own interests . There’s worse to come when the Tories throw them under the bus and let a flood of cheap imports in from the USA.

    Reducing farm subsidies should be one of the good things about Brexit.
    Not if you’re a farmer ! Anyway there are loads of sectors where people voted to screw themselves. Quite amazed at the self sacrifice of these selfless individuals who wanted to free Britain from the EU army which has been on the Mall for the last 40 years ! I’m sure Mogg will be thinking of them as he racks up the profits from shorting the pound .

    One mans disaster capitalist is another mans freedom fighter ! Bless Mogg , man of the people !
    If you're a farmer, you're sitting on a gold mine, given the development potential of land.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 24,348

    Brexit: How the Poor Idiots got it Wrong



    I can think of many on here who wouldn't be out of place on Elite TV.

    ;-)

    Give me an Anaconda any day - although I know others who prefer the Imperial Cutter. But they're Imperial scum. ;)

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    edited February 2019
    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    I live in a unitary authority. Before accusing people of not being in touch with reality check that you are first. UA's have been around for quite some time.

    Honestly, did you think for even 5 seconds before you decided to get so condescending, while being utterly wrong?

    Here's my UA

    http://wiltshire.gov.uk/news/articles/proposed-parking-charges

    Local people are being asked to have their say on the options to review car parking charges in Wiltshire to help safeguard rural bus services after councillors agreed with draft proposals today (12 September 2017)..."We don't want to increase parking charges, however subsidising public transport is so important in a rural county, and without income generated from car parks we could lose many vital bus services"

    Try again, arsehole.

    I can give you the contact details of the council, since apparently they pursued nonsense years ago.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888

    The SDLP has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a partnership with Fianna Fáil.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 12,698
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    Oddly enough a lot of property in the South of france is now being bought by the Irish. In Villefranche they are probably the largest non French population there. As for being crooks they are full of tales of gangsters and gangs in Dublin but I thought that was just blarney.
    I don't think anyone thought of the bankers as gangsters.

    Would have been most unfair, to gangsters at least.
    Talking of gangsters in the South of France.....I hear a queue is forming outside Sir Phil's place. Being groped isn't great but it doesn't last long and a million quid isn't to be sniffed at
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888

    The SDLP has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a partnership with Fianna Fáil.

    Sounds like big news. ALthough it surely means some kind of party delegates and not just regular members in this quote, or else they have very low membership?

    Nearly 70% of party members - 121 - voted in favour of the leadership's proposal at a special party conference on Saturday.
  • kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    Apparently I live in a metropolitan council which I find difficult to comprehend.

    I should be in a working class council, not some liberal metropolitan elite one.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Roger said:



    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    Oddly enough a lot of property in the South of france is now being bought by the Irish. In Villefranche they are probably the largest non French population there. As for being crooks they are full of tales of gangsters and gangs in Dublin but I thought that was just blarney.
    The last time Robo Paddy went around Europe buying up property ended well, I seem to recollect.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
  • On topic, Hinds is ghastly, he's in favour of more grammar schools.
  • Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
    Not a surprise but really one wonders what these farmers were thinking . Yes they might have had issues with the CAP but the Tories have been trying to lower subsidies for years in the EU . They will suffer and should have stopped to think before they voted against their own interests . There’s worse to come when the Tories throw them under the bus and let a flood of cheap imports in from the USA.

    Reducing farm subsidies should be one of the good things about Brexit.
    Not if you’re a farmer ! Anyway there are loads of sectors where people voted to screw themselves. Quite amazed at the self sacrifice of these selfless individuals who wanted to free Britain from the EU army which has been on the Mall for the last 40 years ! I’m sure Mogg will be thinking of them as he racks up the profits from shorting the pound .

    One mans disaster capitalist is another mans freedom fighter ! Bless Mogg , man of the people !
    If you're a farmer, you're sitting on a gold mine, given the development potential of land.
    Or to grow food of course...
  • Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    Some pensioners would still vote Tory even if their manifesto said they’d be culled at 80!

    There were some Welsh farmers on TV who were asked if they were worried about Brexit. 'Absolutely terrified' one of them said. 'We could all lose our livelihood'. 'Did you vote in the Referendum?' asked the host. 'Yes' he said 'I voted Leave'.

    There's a theory that every time a civilising army invaded Wales the Welsh retreated to the mountains.......
    Not a surprise but really one wonders what these farmers were thinking . Yes they might have had issues with the CAP but the Tories have been trying to lower subsidies for years in the EU . They will suffer and should have stopped to think before they voted against their own interests . There’s worse to come when the Tories throw them under the bus and let a flood of cheap imports in from the USA.

    Reducing farm subsidies should be one of the good things about Brexit.
    Not if you’re a farmer ! Anyway there are loads of sectors where people voted to screw themselves. Quite amazed at the self sacrifice of these selfless individuals who wanted to free Britain from the EU army which has been on the Mall for the last 40 years ! I’m sure Mogg will be thinking of them as he racks up the profits from shorting the pound .

    One mans disaster capitalist is another mans freedom fighter ! Bless Mogg , man of the people !
    If you're a farmer, you're sitting on a gold mine, given the development potential of land.
    Or to grow food of course...
    ...after March 29th that might be even more profitable!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    I don't understand why all places are not unitary now. Two-tiers just seems so inefficient in times of austerity.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 12,698

    Roger said:



    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s quite amazing how Ireland and the UK have reached a fork in the road .

    Ireland continues to move forward , in recent years liberalizing its laws and showing to the world it’s an open tolerant country .

    The reverse for the UK , more mean spirited and insular , trashing its reputation. Scotland really needs to escape so it’s not dragged into the same cesspit .

    On the world stage Irish people can proudly go around with their heads held high , whilst many Brits are now shamed by the last two years .

    These are very dark times for the UK.

    I think you overestimate Ireland's reputation. After the GFC, there was rather a nasty implication that all Irish were crooks.
    Oddly enough a lot of property in the South of france is now being bought by the Irish. In Villefranche they are probably the largest non French population there. As for being crooks they are full of tales of gangsters and gangs in Dublin but I thought that was just blarney.
    The last time Robo Paddy went around Europe buying up property ended well, I seem to recollect.
    Not Derek Quinlan!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    I don't understand why all places are not unitary now. Two-tiers just seems so inefficient in times of austerity.
    It's not just that, though. We have the issue that these piddling UAs can't afford big rural hinterlands where providing services, e.g. Buses, is much, much more costly and difficult.

    For example, imagine Devon as a unitary authority without Exeter. Or Oxfordshire without Oxford. Where does the money come from?

    Wiltshire is of course on its own a very good example of how this doesn't work.

    I'd be interested in proposals for about 40 single tier councils plus maybe 20 large towns running themselves. We already have 59. That's too many.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 14,496
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    Careful now, after Brexit we will need that groundnut scheme! :)
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888

    The SDLP has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a partnership with Fianna Fáil.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47164390

    "I'd never become a Fianna Fáil MLA"

    Will they split?
  • On topic, Hinds is ghastly, he's in favour of more grammar schools.

    Free at the point of use, unlike public schools.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    Careful now, after Brexit we will need that groundnut scheme! :)
    I think Alistair is already planning to grind some nuts over Brexit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    I don't understand why all places are not unitary now. Two-tiers just seems so inefficient in times of austerity.
    It's not just that, though. We have the issue that these piddling UAs can't afford big rural hinterlands where providing services, e.g. Buses, is much, much more costly and difficult.

    For example, imagine Devon as a unitary authority without Exeter. Or Oxfordshire without Oxford. Where does the money come from?

    Wiltshire is of course on its own a very good example of how this doesn't work.

    I'd be interested in proposals for about 40 single tier councils plus maybe 20 large towns running themselves. We already have 59. That's too many.
    It's a fair point. A bit like the devolution mess it's all piecemeal anyway, these things should have been more planned and structured. Some of the planned UAs are a bit odd.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 28,507

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888

    The SDLP has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a partnership with Fianna Fáil.

    Western Europe's most corrupt political party.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    I don't understand why all places are not unitary now. Two-tiers just seems so inefficient in times of austerity.
    It's not just that, though. We have the issue that these piddling UAs can't afford big rural hinterlands where providing services, e.g. Buses, is much, much more costly and difficult.

    For example, imagine Devon as a unitary authority without Exeter. Or Oxfordshire without Oxford. Where does the money come from?

    Wiltshire is of course on its own a very good example of how this doesn't work.

    I'd be interested in proposals for about 40 single tier councils plus maybe 20 large towns running themselves. We already have 59. That's too many.
    It's a fair point. A bit like the devolution mess it's all piecemeal anyway, these things should have been more planned and structured. Some of the planned UAs are a bit odd.
    The disasters that were Cheshire and Avon are more than a bit odd.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    Found reality yet?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910

    Brexit: How the Poor Idiots got it Wrong



    I can think of many on here who wouldn't be out of place on Elite TV.

    ;-)

    Quick question: who's funding them? The domain is registered[1] to the third-party http://www.networksolutions.com (US) and built[2] in Wix (various). The email is noncomittal: [email protected] So far, so anodyne. But there's nothing there that's specifically British: no press details, the "about" has very little detail, it's just a wrapper with some conservative videos. All the videos have British people, but there's nothing about the non-profit organisation ReasonUK. Is it the British franchise of http://reason.com/? Or am I missing something obvious?

    [1] https://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=reasonuk.co.uk#whois-results
    [2] view-source:https://www.reasonuk.co.uk/about
  • kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    In rural Cumbria, local car shares using cars provided by the council but driven by a rota of locals is working well
  • ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    Careful now, after Brexit we will need that groundnut scheme! :)
    I think Alistair is already planning to grind some nuts over Brexit.
    No, I don’t want to get into a market where there’s a glut.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    Careful now, after Brexit we will need that groundnut scheme! :)
    I think Alistair is already planning to grind some nuts over Brexit.
    No, I don’t want to get into a market where there’s a glut.
    :lol:
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 4,133
    Sean_F said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888

    The SDLP has voted overwhelmingly in favour of a partnership with Fianna Fáil.

    Western Europe's most corrupt political party.
    Bold claim.
  • eekeek Posts: 7,095
    viewcode said:

    Brexit: How the Poor Idiots got it Wrong



    I can think of many on here who wouldn't be out of place on Elite TV.

    ;-)

    Quick question: who's funding them? The domain is registered[1] to the third-party http://www.networksolutions.com (US) and built[2] in Wix (various). The email is noncomittal: [email protected] So far, so anodyne. But there's nothing there that's specifically British: no press details, the "about" has very little detail, it's just a wrapper with some conservative videos. All the videos have British people, but there's nothing about the non-profit organisation ReasonUK. Is it the British franchise of http://reason.com/? Or am I missing something obvious?

    [1] https://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=reasonuk.co.uk#whois-results
    [2] view-source:https://www.reasonuk.co.uk/about
    GDPR made registration details utterly pointless - the fact it doesn’t tell you anything useful is the EU’s fault
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    Scott_P said:
    She's helping out in a by-election? Surely not the town council by-election in Devizes that's coming up? I'm surprised an MP would get involved in such things.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910
    eek said:

    viewcode said:

    Brexit: How the Poor Idiots got it Wrong



    I can think of many on here who wouldn't be out of place on Elite TV.

    ;-)

    Quick question: who's funding them? The domain is registered[1] to the third-party http://www.networksolutions.com (US) and built[2] in Wix (various). The email is noncomittal: [email protected] So far, so anodyne. But there's nothing there that's specifically British: no press details, the "about" has very little detail, it's just a wrapper with some conservative videos. All the videos have British people, but there's nothing about the non-profit organisation ReasonUK. Is it the British franchise of http://reason.com/? Or am I missing something obvious?

    [1] https://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=reasonuk.co.uk#whois-results
    [2] view-source:https://www.reasonuk.co.uk/about
    GDPR made registration details utterly pointless - the fact it doesn’t tell you anything useful is the EU’s fault
    Good point. But unfortunately it isn't an answer to my question.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 6,951
    edited February 2019
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    Northumberland is well on its way to reclaiming revenue generating North Tyneside (including Newcastle) with the new North of Tyne ‘city region’ or whatever they are calling it. As someone who lives within the limits of Newcastle City Council, I for one welcome this new ‘Greater Northumberland’.
  • kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Streeter said:

    kle4 said:

    Where does Hinds stand on buses?

    Thousands of bus routes at risk of being scrapped.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47182101

    Can anyone think of a Leader of the Opposition who has been unaccountably banging on about bus services at PMQs? Still confident the next election will be all about Brexit?

    Rural bus routes are in a dreadful state. People in towns already hate having to subsisize them through the car parking charges.
    Nonsense. Car parking charges go to District Councils. Public transport support comes from County Councils. Do try to stay in touching distance of reality.
    What about in single tier councils (which two thirds are now)?
    Nonsense, apparently, only districts and county councils exist.
    I was sufficiently intrigued by this exchange to investigate further. There are 27 surviving county councils, of which the largest is Kent - population 1.4 million. I also identify Hertfordshire, Surrey, Essex, Warwickshire as places with multiple large urban areas in them. Most of the rest have at best one major urban area and the rest, rural hinterland.

    Can't help but wonder if this divorce of councils with high cost from major sources of revenue is another issue.

    That said, I have always considered unitary authorities as constituted the silliest idea since the ground nuts in Tanganyika.
    I don't understand why all places are not unitary now. Two-tiers just seems so inefficient in times of austerity.
    There are parts of the country which have FOUR levels of local government:

    Town / parish
    District
    County
    Executive Mayoral
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    She's helping out in a by-election? Surely not the town council by-election in Devizes that's coming up? I'm surprised an MP would get involved in such things.
    She should leave them to their own Devizes.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,314
    Looks like another Unicorn ! The UK is overflowing with those at the moment . As a Remainer I’d love to see Brexit put out of its misery but I can’t see that plan going anywhere .
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 12,600
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    She's helping out in a by-election? Surely not the town council by-election in Devizes that's coming up? I'm surprised an MP would get involved in such things.
    She should leave them to their own Devizes.
    :lol:
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910
    In 48 days, 1 hr, 58 minutes????

  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,818
    Who would campaign for May's deal other than some of the Tory front bench?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908
    Artist said:

    Who would campaign for May's deal other than some of the Tory front bench?

    I wouldn't be too sure of many of them either.
  • There's going to be a poll out tonight that shows a majority of voters want Brexit postponed, either for further negotiations or for a second referendum
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,314
    Artist said:

    Who would campaign for May's deal other than some of the Tory front bench?

    True but Mays deal is still Brexit even if some don’t like it . But Remain against Mays deal would be a case bizarely of take back control and be a rule maker by staying in the EU versus Mays desperate attempts at a compromise and be a rule taker !

    Hilarious , would Vote Leave mind if Remainers pinched their slogan !
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908

    There's going to be a poll out tonight that shows a majority of voters want Brexit postponed, either for further negotiations or for a second referendum

    The public like unicorns, shocker.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036

    There's going to be a poll out tonight that shows a majority of voters want Brexit postponed, either for further negotiations or for a second referendum

    May's strategy of psychological warfare is working.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    There's going to be a poll out tonight that shows a majority of voters want Brexit postponed, either for further negotiations or for a second referendum

    Surely its (the poll) irrelevant?
  • dotsdots Posts: 615

    What odds for Chris Grayling?

    Did he proactively cancel it, as widely reported, or did the ferry less Irish ring him and shout, fool come April!

    The difference between Grayling cancelling it or the company pulling out is quite important if department have misled the media?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594
    kle4 said:

    There's going to be a poll out tonight that shows a majority of voters want Brexit postponed, either for further negotiations or for a second referendum

    The public like unicorns, shocker.
    We all know they give us the horn.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910

    There's going to be a poll out tonight that shows a majority of voters want Brexit postponed, either for further negotiations or for a second referendum

    Oh, holy bloody shit. Now they think that? Honestly, people don't half pick their times... :(
  • Ok here it is.



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908

    Ok here it is.



    MPs don't need more encouragement to engage in pointless displacement activity, the public should stop supporting that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 32,036

    Ok here it is.

    "Corbyn insists referendum is still on table to appease MPs"

    That can be read two ways.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 6,951
    53% is not as high as I would like.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 10,756
    Off topic, does anyone else think that John Rentoul resembles Abraham Lincoln?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 26,594

    Off topic, does anyone else think that John Rentoul resembles Abraham Lincoln?

    QTWTAIN.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 33,306

    53% is not as high as I would like.

    Not if 47% want No Deal Brexit...

    Plenty of don't knows though?
  • A majority of the country want Theresa May to delay Brexit, according to a new poll released ahead of a fresh Commons showdown over her exit strategy.

    With less than seven weeks until exit day, the exclusive survey for The Independent found 53 per cent of voters would support postponing Britain’s departure from the European Union, opening the door to a second referendum or further talks with Brussels.

    The poll comes as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn sought to quell anger among his own MPs by stressing that a Final Say vote was still on the table.

    Several cabinet ministers have openly mooted extending Article 50 for a short period to get crucial legislation through the Commons, amid a growing realisation that a short delay may be inevitable.

    The poll by BMG Research found that the public also favoured a delay, possibly to prepare for a second referendum, while 33 per cent would back a no-deal exit, even if it hits the economy, and 14 per cent did not know.

    The poll found nearly half (49 per cent) believed a no-deal Brexit would be an economic catastrophe that would do lasting damage to the country. Some 28 per cent disagreed with the statement.

    Asked if they would support a final vote, whether a deal is reached or not, 50 per cent backed the idea, while 32 per cent opposed it.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-delay-article-50-second-referendum-final-say-poll-bmg-research-a8771371.html
  • Repercentaging that poll to exclude don't knows gives

    Delay Brexit 62%

    Exit end of March 38%

    That's a massive lead for Delay.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 52,908

    Repercentaging that poll to exclude don't knows gives

    Delay Brexit 62%

    Exit end of March 38%

    That's a massive lead for Delay.

    Idiocy can get leads, as we know.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 17,516
    I'm waiting for MoSs Jezza expose! :D
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,910

    Off topic, does anyone else think that John Rentoul resembles Abraham Lincoln?

    In the 1970's there was a hospital soap on ITV called "General Hospital". The actor Lewis Jones played the consultant Mr William Parker-Brown. He and John Rentoul resemble each other.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Hospital_(UK_TV_series)
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