Glad to see the back of the likes of Gapes, Leslie and Smith.
Good to see Angela doing well as a spokesperson for them on their opening day as well, would have been a toss up between her and Gapes for me but I think she gave a pretty fair representation of the party.
TBH I think you would be glad to see the back of about 80% of the current PLP.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
The problem is if one of them has one, that puts pressures on the others to have one too, and that in turn raises the level of courage they'd need if they want to attract more defectors.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump. They love the campaigning, but not the responsibilities of office.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
Not sure if that points towards a total damp squib, or merely a lot more potentials to jump ship in the coming weeks (and a steady drip might be quite dangerous).
If they were smart they would have kept 2 or 3 people back so that they can announce in the coming days and keep the news cycle well fed.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Only a matter of time surely, now the group has become institutionally racist not many supporters will want to be tarnished with the same brush.
All people like your good self will do is push more and more people out of the party. Instead of being a smart arse you would do better to heed Watson's words and consider addressing the anti-semitism and Brexit duplicity that is turning people away from the party.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership.
He focuses his words and actions on the membership, not the MPs. It is they who made him, and those he needs to see him as a leader. The MPs he seems to have abandoned as a lost cause. They broadly do what he wants anyway.
Not a sensible strategy perhaps, he does need his MPs after all, but that seems to be the way he sees it generally.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
He does care.
Its just he is self-aware to know if he came out and said "good riddance, got rid of you without needing a brutal deselection, now piss off and take some more Tory Scum with you so we can continue to remake our real Labour Party" that it might not go down too well.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.
I imagine that's the problem. He probably struggled to get to the end of his papers, while Blair and Cameron likely signed the dotted lines without reading it all.
On topic, if a crunch point has been identified for Feb 27th for a number of others, that's probably a sign there won't be any further defections dripping out.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.
he was far to busy plotting to make sure any potential leadership contenders left the party/were marginalised. Dreadful man, appalling PM.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.
Wouldn't know when to not get involved. Micro-manager
On the other big news of the day, what can the government do to help the people at Honda and Swindon in general wrt the medium- and long-term future?
In general Swindon will be fine. It has a good mix of office Jobs, Nationwide, Intel, etc and manufacturing BMW Pressing plant, Raychem, etc. It also has good transport links. Currently unemployment is half the national average.
Thanks. Am I misremembering, or did IBM have a massive office complex to the south of the city? If so, is that still there?
You are misremembering , Basingstoke and North Harbour were the main sites along with Hursley Lab All 3 Basingstoke offices are gone as has most of North Harbour, just a Datacentre left I think , Havant manufacturing plant went a long time ago. Only Hursley left and that because IBM Corp own it..
Ah, thanks to you and everyone else who replied.
Looking at a map, I'm pretty sure I'm thinking about Intel's campus. It's an easy mistake to make: both begin with an 'I'.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Monthly meeting of the manhole cover association more important? Jezza is as lazy as trump.
not lazy, just doesn't care.
I honestly can’t see how as PM he will keep up with his daily red box. Brown couldn’t do it (and for all his faults he cared and is a lot more intelligent than jezza) and it was apparently chaos with massive backlogs of unsigned stuff. In comparison, Blair and Cameron were extremely efficient.
That surprises me about Brown. If anything I thought he’d be more likely to managerial and work his way through papers.
I think the problem with brown was he spent all that time in one department, where it is really about doing all the planning / research for two events per year. All of a sudden it is 24/7, day in day out, pressure to make decisions while keeping up with all the reading about a masssive range of topics (and of course he had the financial crisis going on).
And if I remember correctly, he would often say he couldn’t make a decision yet, more information required and of course that just delayed things and it built up and built up. By the end it was chaos, there was a famous photo of piles of stuff that had got behind on.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
Glad to see the back of the likes of Gapes, Leslie and Smith.
Good to see Angela doing well as a spokesperson for them on their opening day as well, would have been a toss up between her and Gapes for me but I think she gave a pretty fair representation of the party.
TBH I think you would be glad to see the back of about 80% of the current PLP.
Probably closer to 80% of those I would be happy to see leave have left than wanting 80% of the current PLP gone.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.
Maybe he just hasn't forgotten about how we already had one?
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.
He has no objection at all to referendums on anything, but simply believes that the government need to implement the result of the first one before the same question is asked again.
I’m sure if you offered a referendum on ratifying the deal (yes/no) or a referendum on the deal v no-deal he’d be fine with it.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.
On the other big news of the day, what can the government do to help the people at Honda and Swindon in general wrt the medium- and long-term future?
Quiet probably nothing at all. The car industry is going to change radically as automation and electric vehicles transform the industry. I expect that we will see major companies go to the wall, much consolidation, and new entrants eating up market share. It's going to be a bit like what the microprocessor did to the computer industry, a lot of very large mainframe companies disappeared when they couldn't survive the transition.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.
Heidi Allen might have some chance - but cannot see Anna Soubry holding Broxtowe as a non-Tory.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.
Maybe he just hasn't forgotten about how we already had one?
That's irrelevant. He argued that citizens should be able to trigger a veto referendum.
In my head all political figures are in their late 40s and 50s, so I am in fact surprised to learn Hatton is only 71 despite having been prominent back in the 80s.
Irrespective of the fact that the seven MPs don't have to hold by elections, do we think that they should anyway? I'd have thought that Chuka would have a decent chance of winning his seat at the very least, and it would give them more air time on the TV.
Did you know Douglas Carswell wrote a book advocating giving citizens the ability to trigger a referendum to veto legislation? He seems to have forgotten his principles now.
I may even have a copy of it on my shelf, “The Plan”, written with Dan Hannan MEP and full of ideas about redefining democracy to push decisions further down towards the people.
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
He now objects to a second referendum on Brexit, when if we implemented his ideas on citizens' referendums, we would certainly be having one on the result of the Brexit negotiations.
Maybe he just hasn't forgotten about how we already had one?
That's irrelevant. He argued that citizens should be able to trigger a veto referendum.
I haven't read the work in question, but I'm guessing that he was arguing that the public should be able to trigger referenda to veto general legislation proposed by the government of the day , and didn't account for the prospect of legislation proposed specifically to enact the will of the people as expressed through a prior referendum. Am I wrong?
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.
Heidi Allen might have some chance - but cannot see Anna Soubry holding Broxtowe as a non-Tory.
It’s a fairly liberal seat with pockets of wealth in the west Nottingham suburbs, around Nottingham University. Fairly decent Tigger territory perhaps?
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
I think a headline Tory Tigger defection is an important next step. Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry in one move could work well. And both MPs would have a decent chance of holding their seats in a future GE I think.
Heidi Allen might have some chance - but cannot see Anna Soubry holding Broxtowe as a non-Tory.
It’s a fairly liberal seat with pockets of wealth in the west Nottingham suburbs, around Nottingham University. Fairly decent Tigger territory perhaps?
Doubtless she would take a chunk of the Tory vote with her - but probably hand the seat back to Labour.
I get they wanted to bin off Labour. But what has the Co-op Party done?
If it were possible to join the Co-operative Party and vote for Co-operative MPs without supporting Labour, I'd be on it like a flash.
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
'The Telegraph goes yet further with a story published in the past few moments (premium) claiming a Conservative government minister is among those willing to join the new Independent Group if Theresa May pursues a no-deal Brexit.
A Tory minister and four Conservative backbenchers appear poised to defect to the new Independent Group set up by disgruntled Labour MPs, it has been claimed.
Describing the breakaway group as ‘remarkably sensible people’, the minister told the Telegraph he was prepared to join the new party if the government presses ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
It came as Anna Soubry sparked speculation she is preparing to jump ship after removing a Conservative party slogan from her social media profile.'
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
Corbyn appears to have a very relaxed view of leadership. On the day when 7 of his MPs leave, he doesn't address the PLP to remove doubts about his ability. No reassurance in person, just sends out an understudy.
Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
The important thing is being not the Tories.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
'The Telegraph goes yet further with a story published in the past few moments (premium) claiming a Conservative government minister is among those willing to join the new Independent Group if Theresa May pursues a no-deal Brexit.
A Tory minister and four Conservative backbenchers appear poised to defect to the new Independent Group set up by disgruntled Labour MPs, it has been claimed.
Describing the breakaway group as ‘remarkably sensible people’, the minister told the Telegraph he was prepared to join the new party if the government presses ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
It came as Anna Soubry sparked speculation she is preparing to jump ship after removing a Conservative party slogan from her social media profile.'
Seems like a reasonable response to me - if the leadership has indeed been operating on the assumption that most remainers will go nowhere no matter what they do, and nor will most moderates, it may as well test that out properly. They might still be right.
Seems like a reasonable response to me - if the leadership has indeed been operating on the assumption that most remainers will go nowhere no matter what they do, and nor will most moderates, it may as well test that out properly. They might still be right.
I suppose it's just about possible that the leadership's actual reaction to this morning's events was, "Only seven? What more do we have to do to convince them it's over?"
I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
The important thing is being not the Tories.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Which safe seat will Hatton be parachuted into? Waverley I guess.
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
The important thing is being not the Tories.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
Interviewees on the radio did not seem very supportive of the 7. Likely the same would be true in Salcombe and Bassingbourn if Wollaston and Allen jump ship.
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
It's the blind assumption that the potential voters for the new party would all otherwise have voted Labour that is so arrogant and complacent.
As if we hadn't already learned that lesson with UKIP and the Tories.
Further, research into the 1980s SDP vote suggests it would have broken in favour of the Tories in a straight two-party contest. So unpopular was what Labour was offering at the time.
Many voters in this country don’t like Tony Blair.
But they did for a long time. Must have been something to him.
Yes, I think Blair was very good at presenting himself as being all things to all men. That was never going to be sustainable. But what Blair has morphed into over the last ten years is definitely something I don’t think voters want.
I don’t really get Owen Jones’ reaction. He and his lot wanted moderates gone, so they (well, some) are gone. I don’t actually feel this group will make much of a difference to Labour’s chances next time. Most people don’t know who these MPs are and whatever people think of Corbyn many voters are not happy with the status quo, which seems is what this new group of MPs stand for.
I don't think his type of reaction necessarily indicates one being rattled by the emergence of the Tiggers, and as you say it probably won't make that big a difference to their chances, so it is presumably just a very emotional lashing out in that even though he wanted them gone, they still dared to do so and how could they do something so beastly?
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
It's the blind assumption that the potential voters for the new party would all otherwise have voted Labour that is so arrogant and complacent. .
Nothing new in that. Not to be too mean, but a certain ex Lab MP on here once referred to LDs voting LD as a betrayal in a theoretical by-election because it took votes which, of course, would only have gone Labour.
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Wait, where's the second G coming from?
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097576868797136896
Not a sensible strategy perhaps, he does need his MPs after all, but that seems to be the way he sees it generally.
I do hope not.
Its just he is self-aware to know if he came out and said "good riddance, got rid of you without needing a brutal deselection, now piss off and take some more Tory Scum with you so we can continue to remake our real Labour Party" that it might not go down too well.
Looking at a map, I'm pretty sure I'm thinking about Intel's campus. It's an easy mistake to make: both begin with an 'I'.
Ahem.
And if I remember correctly, he would often say he couldn’t make a decision yet, more information required and of course that just delayed things and it built up and built up. By the end it was chaos, there was a famous photo of piles of stuff that had got behind on.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plan-Twelve-months-renew-Britain/dp/0955979900/
Very good read, but in what way has he forgotten his principles?
Otherwise they’d be the Tigers! Roar!!
Meanwhile, the Telegraph story about possible Conservative defectors to the TIGgers is interesting, coupled with the observation that Anna Soubry has dropped "lifelong one-nation Tory" from her Twitter bio...
https://twitter.com/andrewspoooner/status/1097548755245678592
I’m sure if you offered a referendum on ratifying the deal (yes/no) or a referendum on the deal v no-deal he’d be fine with it.
BAME people and women don't really matter in terms of winning votes do they?
Started well....
https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1097581356589162496
The Jezza Cult is just trolling us all now isn't it?
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1097586225991639040
'The Telegraph goes yet further with a story published in the past few moments (premium) claiming a Conservative government minister is among those willing to join the new Independent Group if Theresa May pursues a no-deal Brexit.
A Tory minister and four Conservative backbenchers appear poised to defect to the new Independent Group set up by disgruntled Labour MPs, it has been claimed.
Describing the breakaway group as ‘remarkably sensible people’, the minister told the Telegraph he was prepared to join the new party if the government presses ahead with a no-deal Brexit.
It came as Anna Soubry sparked speculation she is preparing to jump ship after removing a Conservative party slogan from her social media profile.'
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/17441483.jeremy-corbyn-or-his-body-double-spotted-on-the-sandbanks-chain-ferry/
It's over. Labour is officially no longer Labour and anyone who thinks it is, is deluding themselves.
Penny for Kinnock's thoughts tonight.
And while I don't like Corbyn, with the vast majority of MPs remaining including the vast majority of pre Corbyn ones, they must think Labour is still Labour.
2-0.
Great goal.
Indeed. You were warned Owen. Repeatedly. Time and time again, that this would happen if nothing was done about Jezza's 'leadership'.
They are trolling for fun now.
As if we hadn't already learned that lesson with UKIP and the Tories.
Further, research into the 1980s SDP vote suggests it would have broken in favour of the Tories in a straight two-party contest. So unpopular was what Labour was offering at the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/labour-schism-sdp-brexit-seven-mps