Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Only with SNP support and of course PM Corbyn leads to BINO
He always has been. What is discussed, amended and voted on in Parliament is under an Absolute Monarch. A basic fundamental of the Constitution. It seems to be a surprise to some.
Numerous Labour MPs are breaking their Manifesto promises ? Don't they think they will be punished for that by the Voters, by history as well as each morning when they look in the mirror to wonder where their dignity is ?
No Labour MP stood on a platform of supporting the Prime Minister. That was the other lot. No Labour MP will be punished because the Prime Minister cannot persuade even her own Cabinet she is right.
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
1. Remove May. 2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important. 3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all. 4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
How does that sort out the ERG nutters, the self-obsessed posturers and Grieve's mendacity gang ?
How do you get MPs who are willing to do proper preparation and show attention to detail rather than spouting crap on twatter ?
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.
Indeed.
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
1. Remove May. 2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important. 3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all. 4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
How does that sort out the ERG nutters, the self-obsessed posturers and Grieve's mendacity gang ?
How do you get MPs who are willing to do proper preparation and show attention to detail rather than spouting crap on twatter ?
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)
It is a shame Isabel has had her problems because she is a naturally insightful journalist.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K Tremayne
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.
Indeed.
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
1. Remove May. 2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important. 3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all. 4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
How does that sort out the ERG nutters, the self-obsessed posturers and Grieve's mendacity gang ?
How do you get MPs who are willing to do proper preparation and show attention to detail rather than spouting crap on twatter ?
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)
It is a shame Isabel has had her problems because she is a naturally insightful journalist.
Agreed. And her 'Age of Denial' podcast series is superb.
I think May's best chance now to secure a deal is perversely to have the EU reject an extension request. If I was May I would be rather Macchiavellian and given an unappealing request.
Dear Mr Tusk,
I am writing to you to request an extension to the UK's article 50 period, because Parliament has requested I do so. Parliament is unable to make up its mind on how to proceed so we need more time to continue these discussions. Please grant the UK an extension in order to provide time to re-open the Withdrawal Agreement and remove the backstop, or otherwise allow Parliament to continue to debate whether or not to ratify the Agreement.
At this time I do not foresee any other changes and I have no plans to change anything further other than to request more time.
With regards, Theresa May, 10 Downing Street.
To be honest, I can see May doing something like that. MPs should've added a clause to last week's vote which would require May to put her letter requesting an extension to a vote in Parliament (with the opportunity to amend the wording of the letter), before sending it.
Too many words. A request for a short extension while she pops off for a few weeks well deserved holiday should do it.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
My MP said as much at a social on Saturday. She was concerned prospective councillors standing on May 2nd might pay the price for Brexit failure.
If the EU wants a reason for an extension, May should answer " To find my replacement." She is the problem. Her constant quest to find a middle position to keep the Tories together. They need a leadership election, with blood on the floor, to decide what their position is. On far more than Brexit too. If this means opposition then so be it.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.
It depends who loses the blame game. If the EU simply says No to any extension, the government may not lose it.
"“We have to have all our procedures completed one hour before midnight Brussels time [11pm UK time]”, the diplomat said. “But everybody prefers to do it the formal way at the European council but from a legal point of view we have to say ‘yes’ a little bit before, not one minute to midnight. Everybody would prefer to have clarity as soon as possible on this because there will be a lot of consequences.”"
Sounds like a Sky Sports Brexit transfer day thriller...has the paperwork arrived in time? Over to Jim White...
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K Tremayne
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.
I'm beginning to suspect that they will be learning why the Maybot 3000 keeps kicking the can down the road and the bomb site that was previously the HoC can't make up its mind, despite the most sophisticated algorithms.
Guardian:The Democratic Unionist party is unlikely to strike an agreement with Theresa May’s government to support the current withdrawal deal before Thursday’s crunch meeting with EU leaders, sources said on Monday.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.
It depends who loses the blame game. If the EU simply says No to any extension, the government may not lose it.
'It started in Bruxelles' will be as unsuccessful as 'It started in America.'
The likes of Gove saying No Deal was Project Fear, we hold all the cards will be Leavers 'We abolished boom and bust.'
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.
But only for England and Wales; Scotland and NI have parachutes.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
No Deal definitely leads to Corbyn - chaos followed by Venezuela.
Depends on how much chaos and how quickly it is stopped.
A couple of days of chaos might lead to some quick changes of mind.
That's a possibility not a prediction - I've no idea what is going to happen.
Completely off topic for anyone who fancies witnessing something even more precarious than the vicissitudes of Brexit, the documentary FREE SOLO is excellent viewing.
It's not the most comfy watch as Alex Honnold climbs El Capitan without ropes but it is riveting (and palm-sweaty).
I highly recommend it.
Edit - it's on Sky Anytime... National Geographic, I think.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
No Deal leads to PM Corbyn.
Possibly and possibly not.
But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
Put it this way: incumbent MPs are less likely to get deselected for No Deal then No Brexit, too.
Indeed.
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.
Yes, the death cult is intensifying.
What I found amazing was that many of the hard-line No Dealers must have voted Remain in the Referendum.
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K Tremayne
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.
Could you get your tongue any further up his Article50?
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K Tremayne
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.
Could you get your tongue any further up his Article50?
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
Truly, every cloud has a silver lining.
Interesting that you agree - and are happy - that the country is screwed.
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
I think I might have written the best thriller of my career to date. THE ASSISTANT, by S K Tremayne
I mention that now because one of the reasons it is good (if it is any good) is because of Brexit. Every morning for the last year, when I've woken up and read/heard/watched the headline news, and realised it is nothing but Brexit plus Brexit with added Brexit, I have gone straight to work, just to tune out the boring chaos.
Writing has been the most welcome distraction.
It's had such an effect I was tempted to thank Brexit in the Acknowledgments.
Well I am glad some good has come of this farce. We may have lost any last vestiges of faith in our political leaders, our theory of democracy has collapsed, the people are no longer sovereign and the rule of law has been trampled underfoot but you have got an excellent thriller out of it. Sounds like a decent trade off to me.
In a thousand years time, I suspect schoolchildren will be learning about the thrillers of SK Tremayne and not about Brexit.
Could you get your tongue any further up his Article50?
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
I think I've finally reached Brexit burnout. I'm at a loss at how pathetic the situation has become and facing yet more of it is too much.
I am much the same. There was some pathetic whining git on the radio whilst I was driving this afternoon complaining that he had voted against May's deal twice but was now minded to back it given the lack of options but that self important buffoon Bercow was going to stop it. I mean, how pathetic can we get? This moron had voted against the deal in principle, twice, on the assumption that there would be no consequences for his actions and now he wanted to snivel about it.
It is what you try to teach 4 year olds and most of them learn. Actions have consequences. Grow up! I really can't bear to listen to these people anymore.
The Conservative party is not fit for purpose.
Would any PB Conservative activists / members / supporters suggest how to make it fit for purpose.
1. Remove May. 2. Don't let Boris/Davis/Fox/Leadsom near anything important. 3.Don't let Grayling near anything at all. 4. ...ok, getting stuck now.
Well, that's the negative stuff, now onto the positives..
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
If we get No Brexit it will be because of Labour, LD and SNP votes with only a handful of Tories tacked on, remember most Tory MPs have already voted not to rule out No Deal and against extension of Article 50. If we ended up with No Brexit Boris would likely end up Tory leader to avoid Tory Leavers moving en masse to Farage's new Brexit Party and UKIP
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
We do not avoid Europeans, as you know Rochdale, but we do deny them our essence.
Guardian:The Democratic Unionist party is unlikely to strike an agreement with Theresa May’s government to support the current withdrawal deal before Thursday’s crunch meeting with EU leaders, sources said on Monday.
Mirrors Boris thinking (if he thinks) and is why when I heard Bercow today I was relieved that he had stopped MV3 this week and not TM
Ironically I think he could have saved TM deal which I would expect to be returned next week with the brexiteers facing pass it or lose brexit
As I have said before either outcome is fine by me so I am relaxed about Brexit this evening
I literally laughed out loud at that but was it not something along those lines that led to Lord North's Government losing the American colonies?
I really can see being recognised in doe course as the worst PM since North.
Even if she were worse than Brown - and she isn't - there is no way any PM would be worse than Goderich.
(I take it you're referring to repeal of the Townshend Acts on the day of the Boston Massacre?)
Lord North to me will always be the PM who lost the Americas, but maybe I am doing him an injustice.
He was the PM in charge when the 13 colonies were able to gain independence. I would argue the two are not necessarily the same thing. His sense of humour was also wonderful.
Goderich, on the other hand, remains the only PM in history to be so utterly inadequate he couldn't even meet Parliament.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
I'm sure that is hilarious, but I'm still not going to bemoan any lack of fluoride in the water. I have no objection to applying it topically whilst brushing but I struggle to see how it can improve dental health by mass ingestion. It's like getting vitamins by watching a truck of broccoli drive past.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.
Fluoride is added to the water supply by Zionists.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
I despair that our nation has allowed our key infrastructure to get so integrated with the EU that we cannot cope if french farmers were to blockade the continent ports for a few seconds. This is just BOLLOSKS- either it is untrue or the lack of contingency planning by companies / government should result in people being fired for incompetence.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.
I know. That doesn't end discussion on the potential health implications of long term exposure of course. A cigarette is not toxic either, but a lifetime of smoking is unwise. But I'm not claiming it's dangerous or even bad for you, I'm saying it's absurd on a list of things that mean we can't drink the water.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
Fluoride isn't added at toxic levels. That is why you don't die when you drink tap water.
Fluoride is added to the water supply by Zionists.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
If we get No Brexit it will be because of Labour, LD and SNP votes with only a handful of Tories tacked on, remember most Tory MPs have already voted not to rule out No Deal and against extension of Article 50. If we ended up with No Brexit Boris would likely end up Tory leader to avoid Tory Leavers moving en masse to Farage's new Brexit Party and UKIP
For much the same reasons, you may also end up with Johnson as PM in the case of a long extension, which will be viewed in much the same light as revoking. May's 12 months of immunity only lasts until mid-December 2019.
He always has been. What is discussed, amended and voted on in Parliament is under an Absolute Monarch. A basic fundamental of the Constitution. It seems to be a surprise to some.
Not quite.
It was always a Potential Absolute Monarch. In the same way that our governments can (usually) be Elected Dictators but rarely are.
Bercow has abused his role by being partisan rather than the servant of the house
I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
Bercow hast managed to push all the waverers who were coming around to the WA back into the no deal camp.
If there's a second referendum I think Leave win because of today where the establishment has acted against the public vote so blatantly.
My WhatsApp group is absolutely seething at what they see as an establishment coup.
My social media feeds are full of people singing the praises of Bercow, hailing him as a hero and even calling for him to be PM! I don't actually agree with this as I'm a Remainer who is far, far from being a Bercow fan... but it just goes to show how very few of us are getting an accurate sample of the public mood.
I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
I am not sure the public will see it that way. This is one of the issues that most of the public who know what it is, desperately want to be resolved. Standing in the way of that happening using an interpretation of a little known parliamentary procedure looks incredibly self indulgent and out of touch to me.
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
I'm sure that is hilarious, but I'm still not going to bemoan any lack of fluoride in the water. I have no objection to applying it topically whilst brushing but I struggle to see how it can improve dental health by mass ingestion. It's like getting vitamins by watching a truck of broccoli drive past.
You may be right in one sense. The evidence that was used to justify the inclusion of fluoride in water would not meet current standards. And the improvement in dental hygiene that has occurred since fluoridation programmes were started may be due to other factors. But if we stopped doing it then it might turn out that the fluoridation was a major reason for the improvement. Would you fancy being the person who made that decision?
Your analogy is incorrect. Ingesting fluoride in tap water is not remotely like watching a truck full of broccoli.
I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
I am not sure the public will see it that way. This is one of the issues that most of the public who know what it is, desperately want to be resolved. Standing in the way of that happening using an interpretation of a little known parliamentary procedure looks incredibly self indulgent and out of touch to me.
To be clear, I think the presumption should be the HoC is allowed to vote whenever it wants. Which means there should have been a vote last November.
Not difficult to see how the remaining options dissipate so that we end up with no deal or No Brexit left.
May will revoke then resign. If she has to. Because when that's all that's left it's her career over and likely a Tory civil war. Throwing the country onto the bonfire does nothing to alleviate the end...
I can't see May revoking unless it can be completely blamed on others.
Revoke is likely to lead to PM Corbyn and Conservatives will think that more dangerous than No Deal.
Even if No Deal starts disastrously it might be alleviated but a PM Corbyn would be beyond their control.
Of all the outcomes the one that leads most probably to PM Corbyn is no deal. Not least because a big chunk of the Tory sensible wing has already said it would resign the party if no deal exit happens.
Then the Tories and the country are screwed either way because Tory support will simply evaporate if we do not Brexit
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
If we get No Brexit it will be because of Labour, LD and SNP votes with only a handful of Tories tacked on, remember most Tory MPs have already voted not to rule out No Deal and against extension of Article 50. If we ended up with No Brexit Boris would likely end up Tory leader to avoid Tory Leavers moving en masse to Farage's new Brexit Party and UKIP
For much the same reasons, you may also end up with Johnson as PM in the case of a long extension, which will be viewed in much the same light as revoking. May's 12 months of immunity only lasts until mid-December 2019.
Yes, Johnson will be a Salmond type figure for Leave voters if Brexit never happens, a rallying point against the Unionist, EUphile establishment
A question to those that predict civil unrest if Brexit is revoked, read this from yesterday's Sunday Times and tell me do you think civil unrest is less likely if a no-deal crash out leads to interruption of drinking water supplies?
Concerns over access to drinking water surfaced in November when it emerged that Michael Gove had only backed Theresa May’s deal after he discovered that Britain would run out within days of a no-deal Brexit.
Chemicals used to purify water are imported to the UK from Europe on a just-in-time basis, meaning any delay at Dover could leave deliveries caught in weeks of border chaos. Liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide cannot be stockpiled.
Thames Water, the UK’s biggest water company, said it was working with the government to ensure that supplies of drinking water would not be hit.
However, civil servants at the Cabinet Office, which is overseeing Brexit plans, fear that the measures will not be enough and are among those said to be stockpiling bottled water.
I bolded the really salient bit.
Gosh, whatever will we do without those lovely enhancements in our water?
...er, die from water poisoning?
Fluoride for a start isn't added to purify the water, it's added because it is believed to ward off tooth decay. It's also a poison now that you mention it.
We have to leave the EU on 29th March before it has chance to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
We do not avoid Europeans, as you know Rochdale, but we do deny them our essence.
I don't mind MPs repeatedly voting on something, especially as there doesn't seem to be a consensus on anything, but there is an air of deja vu all over again with these "meaningful" votes. If Erskine May has any purpose in preventing repetitions this would surely be it.
I am not sure the public will see it that way. This is one of the issues that most of the public who know what it is, desperately want to be resolved. Standing in the way of that happening using an interpretation of a little known parliamentary procedure looks incredibly self indulgent and out of touch to me.
May just repeatedly banging on with the same vote ignoring the massive defeats isn't much better of a look - it makes her appear one-dimensional at best and at the end of her road at worst. What Bercow's done here is the equivalent of trying to give the stuck record player a bit of a bash to move it on one way or another. Albeit in a self-indulgent way, I think that bit is a fair comment.
May should go to the Commons and provide the chance for a set of indicative votes where the government expresses no strong opinions any way in particular, give Parliament the chance to have its say and if nothing comes out of those in terms of anything looking like it would command a majority (entirely possible as Parliament looks like it might struggle to decide on which biscuits to have in the meeting) then at that point the deal may start to look more plausible as the way forward.
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But we need to look at this through the eyes of Conservative MPs - what is more likely to lead to PM Corbyn ? I suspect most Conservatives will say No Brexit rather than No Deal.
It seems to be a surprise to some.
More than a dozen, fewer than 20 is my view.
"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." - Joseph de Maistre
(And I wholeheartedly recommend reading Isabel Hardman's 'Why We Get the Wrong Politicians'...)
RN's comment last night about the local Conservative membership was fascinating.
Good luck to any of those MPs trying find anyone to pound the streets for them. And we already know social media will crucify them. No Brexit means opposition for the Tories for decades.
She is the problem. Her constant quest to find a middle position to keep the Tories together.
They need a leadership election, with blood on the floor, to decide what their position is. On far more than Brexit too.
If this means opposition then so be it.
Sounds like a Sky Sports Brexit transfer day thriller...has the paperwork arrived in time? Over to Jim White...
Guardian:The Democratic Unionist party is unlikely to strike an agreement with Theresa May’s government to support the current withdrawal deal before Thursday’s crunch meeting with EU leaders, sources said on Monday.
The likes of Gove saying No Deal was Project Fear, we hold all the cards will be Leavers 'We abolished boom and bust.'
A couple of days of chaos might lead to some quick changes of mind.
That's a possibility not a prediction - I've no idea what is going to happen.
It's not the most comfy watch as Alex Honnold climbs El Capitan without ropes but it is riveting (and palm-sweaty).
I highly recommend it.
Edit - it's on Sky Anytime... National Geographic, I think.
If there's a second referendum I think Leave win because of today where the establishment has acted against the public vote so blatantly.
My WhatsApp group is absolutely seething at what they see as an establishment coup.
I really can see May being recognised in due course as the worst PM since North.
(I take it you're referring to repeal of the Townshend Acts on the day of the Boston Massacre?)
Ironically I think he could have saved TM deal which I would expect to be returned next week with the brexiteers facing pass it or lose brexit
As I have said before either outcome is fine by me so I am relaxed about Brexit this evening
https://order-order.com/2019/03/18/porn-laws-catch-public-pants/
Goderich, on the other hand, remains the only PM in history to be so utterly inadequate he couldn't even meet Parliament.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235138
oh, is that my coat????
It was always a Potential Absolute Monarch. In the same way that our governments can (usually) be Elected Dictators but rarely are.
Bercow has abused his role by being partisan rather than the servant of the house
My social media feeds are full of people singing the praises of Bercow, hailing him as a hero and even calling for him to be PM! I don't actually agree with this as I'm a Remainer who is far, far from being a Bercow fan... but it just goes to show how very few of us are getting an accurate sample of the public mood.
As a Remainer I thought this was going to end up a car crash but even I never managed it would end up this bad.
Your analogy is incorrect. Ingesting fluoride in tap water is not remotely like watching a truck full of broccoli.
Genuinely funny.
Get it? Handy...?
May should go to the Commons and provide the chance for a set of indicative votes where the government expresses no strong opinions any way in particular, give Parliament the chance to have its say and if nothing comes out of those in terms of anything looking like it would command a majority (entirely possible as Parliament looks like it might struggle to decide on which biscuits to have in the meeting) then at that point the deal may start to look more plausible as the way forward.
I lost what little respect I had for him at that point