It is clearly possible to have the required energy and drive at that age, but whether he will actually have that is less clear. But on the copycat label, is it possible using it would rebound as this time at least it will be almost baked in, well known, and akin to all those accusations against Corbyn - some direct quotations of his words and views - which neverthleless people did not care about. If he still has a big enough profile and support to run now, would such a charge really sink him?
Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?
Trump doesn't even overlook transgressions in others that have never been alleged.
I mean even if Trump tries to make it an issue its unlikely to resonate, like the Tories banging on about Corbyn's support for the IRA. The 80s were a long time ago now.
It’s ancient history and Biden, if chosen, like any of the other candidates will get crap thrown by Trump. The interesting question is rather how they deal with the orange narcissist.
Trump is already 72, the idea Biden and Sanders should be prevented from running against one if the oldest presidents in history on age grounds is absurd.
Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980
I still think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump in 2020.
Agreed. Sanders v Trump could go either way, Trump I suspect would beat Harris or Warren or Booker, O'Rourke I cannot see being the nominee, VP candidate maybe
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse plan A was renegotiate the backstop to make it acceptable so May would get a new WA with a new backstop agreed through the house and leave on 29th Mars.
Plan B is that if the backstop renegotiation failed then the EU would grant the UK 12 months extension to agreed the new future deal or leave on WTO terms.
Biden backers should be more worried that he announced then unannounced his candidacy the other day. Gaffe-prone doesn't cover it.
On speeches, one of the other candidates seemed to be channelling his inner Gordon Brown the other day. It might have been coincidence. Trouble is, I've forgotten which one.
Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?
I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
Rape and plagiarism are two very different allegations . . . and the alleged rapist still got confirmed onto SCOTUS with people saying old accusations are ridiculous.
I was curious to know the breakdown of petition signatures according to whether a constituency was estimated to have voted Remain or Leave. These are the results with the latest data:
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
It's not about the level of support - it's that it has effectively been tried and already failed. Putting something up that isn't achievable is not taking the process or the crisis we face seriously. Yes, Bercow should think about ruling it out of order, but he shouldn't have been put in the position of being the one to do so. We ought to expect better from our MPs; this lot just want to duck the real decisions that now need to be made.
I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.
Trump is already 72, the idea Biden and Sanders should be prevented from running against one if the oldest presidents in history on age grounds is absurd.
Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980
So Reagan was the same age as Biden is now when he had served 2 terms and was generally recognised to be more than a bit dottled. I am not sure how this helps your argument.
This sort of thing doesn't surprise me. There are lots of places now which are officially open to the public but where in reality only wealthy or wealthy-looking people are made to feel welcome.
"'Outrageous' and 'disgusting': segregated playground sparks fury Jeremy Corbyn, James Brokenshire and Sadiq Khan criticise Henley Homes for excluding social housing residents from playground"
Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?
I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
Rape and plagiarism are two very different allegations . . . and the alleged rapist still got confirmed onto SCOTUS with people saying old accusations are ridiculous.
True, but it's not the age or the nature of the allegation that counts any more in an increasingly tribal politic. Wholly regrettably, it's the identity of the accused and accuser.
I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.
I think there will be a separate debate on the revoke petition in Westminster Hall on Monday. That's where all the petition debates are held. It's a placebo.
Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot?
Don't be ridiculous.
One was a third rate Fascist whose tenure of high office was an unmitigated fiasco, and the damaging ramifications of poor policies and naked cronyism are poisoning the well to this hour.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:
Malthouse Compromise Chequers Plan Letwin Amendment Norway Option
Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)
One that you can never put down: Irish Backstop.
Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?
Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
Btw, Meaningful Vote is a trilogy. And The Referendum is first in an enless series - bit like the Fast And Furious film franchise, but without the excitement and much more repetitive.
I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.
I think there will be a separate debate on the revoke petition in Westminster Hall on Monday. That's where all the petition debates are held. It's a placebo.
It'll be interesting to see how many MPs agree with revoke, given most probably still want the cover of a referendum.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:
Malthouse Compromise Chequers Plan Letwin Amendment Norway Option
Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:
Malthouse Compromise Chequers Plan Letwin Amendment Norway Option
Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
They'd also work as titles in Charles Stross' "Laundry" series of occult/espionage novels.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
But it's not on the table?
Says who? Neither are half the other proposals being voted on tomorrow. Officially the only things on the table are Revoke, Deal and No Deal. Nothing else is officially on the table yet we're getting about 7 proposals tomorrow.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
But it's not on the table?
Says who? Neither are half the other proposals being voted on tomorrow. Officially the only things on the table are Revoke, Deal and No Deal. Nothing else is officially on the table yet we're getting about 7 proposals tomorrow.
Yes, but he EU have already ruled this one out. Bercow shouldn't select it.
I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.
Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:
Malthouse Compromise Chequers Plan Letwin Amendment Norway Option
Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
Off-topic:
Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ... Harry Potter and the Chamber of ... Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ... Harry Potter and the Goblet of ... Harry Potter and the Order of the ... Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ... Harry Potter and the Deathly ...
Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ...
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https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512
It’s ancient history and Biden, if chosen, like any of the other candidates will get crap thrown by Trump. The interesting question is rather how they deal with the orange narcissist.
And thanks
Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980
https://www.wired.com/story/beto-orourke-cult-of-the-dead-cow-hacking-group/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/26/how-will-the-brexit-indicative-votes-process-work
Plan B is that if the backstop renegotiation failed then the EU would grant the UK 12 months extension to agreed the new future deal or leave on WTO terms.
There is also a plan C.
On speeches, one of the other candidates seemed to be channelling his inner Gordon Brown the other day. It might have been coincidence. Trouble is, I've forgotten which one.
Remain constituencies (241): 3,076,655 [53.4%]
Leave constituencies (409): 2,689,834 [46.6%]
241 of 650 = 37.1%
409 of 650 = 62.9%
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
#CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!
*Kyle-Wilson
EDIT: I assume the "2nd Referendum" option is the above.
But I think Mike is right. Both Biden and Sanders are just too old for such a stressful campaign, let alone job.
One that you can never put down:
Irish Backstop.
Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
This sort of thing doesn't surprise me. There are lots of places now which are officially open to the public but where in reality only wealthy or wealthy-looking people are made to feel welcome.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/26/outrageous-and-disgusting-segregated-playground-sparks-fury
"'Outrageous' and 'disgusting': segregated playground sparks fury
Jeremy Corbyn, James Brokenshire and Sadiq Khan criticise Henley Homes for excluding social housing residents from playground"
The People's Vote
#CorbynsCustomsUnion
One was a third rate Fascist whose tenure of high office was an unmitigated fiasco, and the damaging ramifications of poor policies and naked cronyism are poisoning the well to this hour.
And if anything, Boris is even worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futsal
• Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
It is comical watching ERG going into full throttle reverse and funnier still if it is too late
Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ...
Harry Potter and the Chamber of ...
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ...
Harry Potter and the Goblet of ...
Harry Potter and the Order of the ...
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ...
Harry Potter and the Deathly ...
Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ...