I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
I'm not sure it would count. I've seen a heart drawn and that was counted because "the intention was clear" - not so sure about your proposed drawing.
@ydoethur is referring to a real case in the past where such a drawing was accepted as a valid vote.
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
I'm not sure it would count. I've seen a heart drawn and that was counted because "the intention was clear" - not so sure about your proposed drawing.
@ydoethur is referring to a real case in the past where such a drawing was accepted as a valid vote.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
Why? As a Remain thing?
I cannot vote Tory as that would be an endorsement of their Brexit strategy, they have lost the tag of being a competent government in my eyes. I seek to punish them and to be honest they have delivered very little for me personally, philosophically I may be closer to them but their period in office needs to be brought to an end as does this obsession with Europe.
I cannot vote for Labour led by Corbyn and so my vote would go to Change UK in the European elections unless some sort of joint arrangement occurs with the LD. In local elections the LD looks like the only choice as Change UK to my knowledge don't have candidates. I am not going to vote Tory or Labour as this Brexit madness should be halted as the best deal is being in the EU. So Brexit is a main driver but the sheer incompetence of Tories and Labour mean I have to look for protest vehicles.
Interesting. I am a deal fan (it's all sounding a bit like 1922 and the Treaty/anti-Treaty men) and hence I want to encourage a Theresa May-led Conservative Party. Quite how that nuance can be conveyed on my ballot paper(s) goodness only knows.
I hate to say this but Farage's campaign is very European. The concept of the "List of X" where X is a charismatic and wealthy person, and the list is a list of people willing to stand under his/her banner, is widely known in Europe. The lists enabled post-Warsaw Pact countries to take part in democratic politics despite the fact that parties were either non-existent or (in the case of the Communist party) hated. It appears that Nigel has watched and learned. Smart fellow...
I may do. I find it oddly difficult to predict my own state of mind. If other people find the same, there's a good reason for thinking opinion polls are bollocks.
I think I'm going to pick a random party and draw a cock and balls in the box.
It still counts...so maybe not quite random then. Not Brexit or Labour...
I'm not sure it would count. I've seen a heart drawn and that was counted because "the intention was clear" - not so sure about your proposed drawing.
@ydoethur is referring to a real case in the past where such a drawing was accepted as a valid vote.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
Why? As a Remain thing?
I cannot vote Tory as that would be an endorsement of their Brexit strategy, they have lost the tag of being a competent government in my eyes. I seek to punish them and to be honest they have delivered very little for me personally, philosophically I may be closer to them but their period in office needs to be brought to an end as does this obsession with Europe.
I cannot vote for Labour led by Corbyn and so my vote would go to Change UK in the European elections unless some sort of joint arrangement occurs with the LD. In local elections the LD looks like the only choice as Change UK to my knowledge don't have candidates. I am not going to vote Tory or Labour as this Brexit madness should be halted as the best deal is being in the EU. So Brexit is a main driver but the sheer incompetence of Tories and Labour mean I have to look for protest vehicles.
If your focus is the EU, I suggest you look at the predicted voting in your region and choose how to maximise the total seats of the three pro-EU parties, i.e. Green, LDem or C.UK. A party on <8-10% of the vote is highly unlikely to get a seat, but it varies between regions. In the W. Midlands a party might need >12-15% because there are only 7 MEPs.
No doubt there are websites that'll do the calcs. for you.
I’m seriously enjoying watching remainiacs on twitter telling each other that this election will be under PR so it doesn’t matter which party they vote for...
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
D. Blame anyone but themselves and take as a line whatever bullshit is published in The Telegraph.
The “one more heave” and “if only there had been a true believer” argument (beloved of extremes) will be rolled out.
An aside, assuming numbers of the, cease to become MPs at the next election, where might they find employment? I can’t see much of the private sector wanting anything to do with them and the classic ex-Labour MP to charity sector scam doesn’t appear to be open to them.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
Why? As a Remain thing?
I cannot vote Tory as that would be an endorsement of their Brexit strategy, they have lost the tag of being a competent government in my eyes. I seek to punish them and to be honest they have delivered very little for me personally, philosophically I may be closer to them but their period in office needs to be brought to an end as does this obsession with Europe.
I cannot vote for Labour led by Corbyn and so my vote would go to Change UK in the European elections unless some sort of joint arrangement occurs with the LD. In local elections the LD looks like the only choice as Change UK to my knowledge don't have candidates. I am not going to vote Tory or Labour as this Brexit madness should be halted as the best deal is being in the EU. So Brexit is a main driver but the sheer incompetence of Tories and Labour mean I have to look for protest vehicles.
Interesting. I am a deal fan (it's all sounding a bit like 1922 and the Treaty/anti-Treaty men) and hence I want to encourage a Theresa May-led Conservative Party. Quite how that nuance can be conveyed on my ballot paper(s) goodness only knows.
The conundrum is what ever I do it will encourage someone to do the reverse of where I see the UK, which is part of the EU but on the periphery (No Euro, Schengen etc). I don't think leaving the EU and accepting a deal that induces a relationship of dictated principles and rules with no input from the UK is an acceptable path. No deal is clearly too damaging to the economy and now the Democrats in the US are starting to row back on trade deals between the US/UK i.e. Nancy Pelosi in Ireland today.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
D. Blame anyone but themselves and take as a line whatever bullshit is published in The Telegraph.
The “one more heave” and “if only there had been a true believer” argument (beloved of extremes) will be rolled out.
An aside, assuming numbers of the, cease to become MPs at the next election, where might they find employment? I can’t see much of the private sector wanting anything to do with them and the classic ex-Labour MP to charity sector scam doesn’t appear to be open to them.
God only knows it is possible (possible) that away from the HoC madhouse they might be halfway sensible.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Got the top two wrong, I'd probably transfer 2% off Labour over to Farage. Otherwise, I'll stick with the rest, including the Tories exceeding expectations.
So for some people (moi for example) with the loonies having siphoned themselves off to Brexit Party and UKIP I will find it quite safe to vote for the Conservatives.
I mean when I think about it my brain explodes at the whole dynamic but I am speaking as but a simple voter.
I usually vote Tory but will vote LD in the locals and Change UK or LD for the European elections and have persuaded others to do likewise!
Why? As a Remain thing?
I cannot vote Tory as that would be an endorsement of their Brexit strategy, they have lost the tag of being a competent government in my eyes. I seek to punish them and to be honest they have delivered very little for me personally, philosophically I may be closer to them but their period in office needs to be brought to an end as does this obsession with Europe.
I cannot vote for Labour led by Corbyn and so my vote would go to Change UK in the European elections unless some sort of joint arrangement occurs with the LD. In local elections the LD looks like the only choice as Change UK to my knowledge don't have candidates. I am not going to vote Tory or Labour as this Brexit madness should be halted as the best deal is being in the EU. So Brexit is a main driver but the sheer incompetence of Tories and Labour mean I have to look for protest vehicles.
If your focus is the EU, I suggest you look at the predicted voting in your region and choose how to maximise the total seats of the three pro-EU parties, i.e. Green, LDem or C.UK. A party on <8-10% of the vote is highly unlikely to get a seat, but it varies between regions. In the W. Midlands a party might need >12-15% because there are only 7 MEPs.
No doubt there are websites that'll do the calcs. for you.
Thanks for that I will look into this and advise others of similar views to do likewise.
I’m seriously enjoying watching remainiacs on twitter telling each other that this election will be under PR so it doesn’t matter which party they vote for...
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
I’m seriously enjoying watching remainiacs on twitter telling each other that this election will be under PR so it doesn’t matter which party they vote for...
Yep. We had a particularly idiotic example of that on the previous thread.
I’m seriously enjoying watching remainiacs on twitter telling each other that this election will be under PR so it doesn’t matter which party they vote for...
I wouldn't assume that the people spreading such an idea are really Remainers.
On topic, I think the only way you can read anything into the EU elections is if one of the 'issue' parties - either CUK or Brexit - get more than 50% odd of the vote on their own. And I say that fully believing that the Brexit Party will be the clear winners in terms of vote share and seats. But I still think it is meaningless as a measure of what people think about Brexit itself.
It won't be meaningless in terms of it showing that people really, really care about Brexit. Enough to vote for a wanker like Farage to make a point.....
That is a fair point. I just tend to think that, as with marches and petitions, trying to claim any meaningful understanding of what people think from non binary, peripheral elections is a fools game. Perhaps all the more so given that, again as with the marches and petitions, the electorate are not the same as those who would be able to vote in any referendum.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
I’m seriously enjoying watching remainiacs on twitter telling each other that this election will be under PR so it doesn’t matter which party they vote for...
I wouldn't assume that the people spreading such an idea are really Remainers.
I'm actually not sure who I should vote for the Euro elections. Hard Brexit fans are out so that's no UKIP or Brexit party. Labour technically are keeping all options open but on the negative side they are keeping all options open. The Tories are so incompetent and riven with factional infighting it's only worth considering as a pity option . As a regretful leaver turned remainer the lds or chuk would seem worth a go I guess although the former have been useless and despise the people who backed them in coalition, while chuk will just split the vote of proper parties, though I do want to encourage new parties so perhaps they deserve a shot. I'm not even considering Green, the old UKIP of the left.
On topic, I think the only way you can read anything into the EU elections is if one of the 'issue' parties - either CUK or Brexit - get more than 50% odd of the vote on their own. And I say that fully believing that the Brexit Party will be the clear winners in terms of vote share and seats. But I still think it is meaningless as a measure of what people think about Brexit itself.
Everything that the public thinks is bad about the EU. But bring up a specific one of these things and you will actually find you are an unenlightened pleb that needs to be educated how about how that thing is actually in your interest really. "Reform" actually means you get more of it.
Over 70% turnout in the referendum, not near 70%! I wouldn't be surprised if (whatever the vote shares end up being) turnout in the EU election is higher than normal - not that that's saying much.
Over 70% turnout in the referendum, not near 70%! I wouldn't be surprised if (whatever the vote shares end up being) turnout in the EU election is higher than normal - not that that's saying much.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Got the top two wrong, I'd probably transfer 2% off Labour over to Farage. Otherwise, I'll stick with the rest, including the Tories exceeding expectations.
We need a PB NoJam. To prize being a choice of CD, either Alastair Campbell playing Ode to Joy on his bagpipes, or a youthful Nigel Farage singing the Horst Wessel Lied.
Scottish Socialist Voice unhappy IDS and the Tories get all the blame for universal credit. Frank Field and Denis Healey are names and shamed for thinking about it.
It is out of date though, the March version - apparently the balance of probabilities on Brexit are shifting towards May.
Gordon Browns book is labelled dismal and depressing.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
Nobody going to Spain over Easter might cool their Rock-hard ardour.....
Yes. They were used as an excuse by senior politicians (e.g. Asquith, Churchill) to refuse considering extending the franchise. As a result they were also very unpopular with the far more numorous suffragists.
And it's worth remembering that it wasn't until they suspended their campaign that women got the vote.
Over 70% turnout in the referendum, not near 70%! I wouldn't be surprised if (whatever the vote shares end up being) turnout in the EU election is higher than normal - not that that's saying much.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen a few radical Remainers apologetically saying that they never voted in the European elections before.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
Nobody going to Spain over Easter might cool their Rock-hard ardour.....
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
Nobody going to Spain over Easter might cool their Rock-hard ardour.....
They'll find another reason to Gib.
Better than that Utrecht all the way there for nothing.
Look, it's not easy to pun utrecht, I'm doing the best I can.
ITV news reporting surge in Easter “staycations” with people opting for the U.K. - but with London forecast for 25C on Saturday and Nice 19C you can see why the weather is playing an additional factor (BREXIT was mentioned in the vox pops - so the horror stories of Brits queuing for hours at Spanish airports may have had an impact....)
Nobody going to Spain over Easter might cool their Rock-hard ardour.....
They'll find another reason to Gib.
Better than that Utrecht all the way there for nothing.
Look, it's not easy to pun utrecht, I'm doing the best I can.
In fairness, that's quite good. I won't attempt to ape it though.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
Remain votes won't particularly turn out as they are not particularly keen on any of the parties at the moment.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
If it were possible to vote tactically in such a way as to get as many ERGers as possible to sign up to the Deal, and I thought that might be all that it took to get the Deal passed and for us all to move on to the next stage, then I would. But I'm not actually sure it's even possible...
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
Remain votes won't particularly turn out as they are not particularly keen on any of the parties at the moment.
Did they refuse to turn out for the referendum in 2016 because it meant voting the same way as Cameron?
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
Yes they should, not to mention the 6 million petiton signers
It is actually a rather good piece of prose, measured, clear and careful. It is worth a bit of time for those who have it.
What chance Mr Wings is going to end up with a large bill for Ms Dugdale’s costs?
Odds on but not certain.
That judgement is a victory for common sense - as I said repeatedly, "Fair comment, honestly held view"
Yep, it’s a really good judgment. Makes me wonder about the quality of the advice Campbell got up front but he had a very capable QC against whom I have done several cases. Sometimes the default assumption is that the defender will fold and sometimes it’s wrong
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
Remain votes won't particularly turn out as they are not particularly keen on any of the parties at the moment.
It is a bit more split. If the rumours of decent MEPs being shoved downlist by an NEC approved block of Momentum Lexit supporters are true, then I can see the Labour voters going elsewhere, particularly Green imo.
Scottish Socialist Voice unhappy IDS and the Tories get all the blame for universal credit. Frank Field and Denis Healey are names and shamed for thinking about it.
It is out of date though, the March version - apparently the balance of probabilities on Brexit are shifting towards May.
Gordon Browns book is labelled dismal and depressing.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
Remain votes won't particularly turn out as they are not particularly keen on any of the parties at the moment.
This is not an election with a lack of choice !
Brexit Party - For those that want to leave without a deal Tories - For those that think May's deal is a fair compromise Labour - For those that want Jezza's alternative plan... Change UK - For those that want to remain in the EU, and are in the blairite centre Lib Dems - For those that want to remain in the EU, and are social democrats (The orange book wing has really died a death now) UKIP - A hodge podge alliance of cultural conservatives, free speech warriors and those on the right. Also against the deal, but not now the primary reason for the party (That's now the Brexit party) Greens - For those that think superglueing themselves to London's roads is a good idea. Very largely remainers. SNP/Plaid if you live in Scotland or Wales
Northern Ireland has the usual mix of bigots, ex terrorists and so forth.
So that is: 2 No deal parties, 1 Deal party 1 Labour party 3 (4 if you live in Wales or Scotland) Remain parties.
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
Leavers drew Man City and Huddersfield in the PL sweepstake and threw away the Man City slip.
In my eyes we will always have won that referendum. The fact that MP's are too vain to listen to the public was the main reason why
Of course you won it but you run a very great risk of throwing it away.
Don't lump me in with MP's! The public aren't to blame
The public voted for something for which there was a non-trivial probability that PRECISELY THIS would happen,
So should there be a strong showing by Brexit/UKIP in the EUs, will the ERG nutters:
a) worry that the Cons would lose the next election as they haven't delivered Brexit and therefore rally to May's deal; or b) think that by continuing to oppose May's deal they will attract the Brexit/UKIP types (back) to the Cons; or c) not think anything at all as thinking is not their strong point?
It doesn't matter what the ERG say, they will be drowned out by the Remainer's screaming about the low turnout
If they can get a million on a march they should easily be able to turn out their vote more than the Leavers. If they fail to do so, or uselessly vote for Labour, they will have nowhere to hide.
Remain votes won't particularly turn out as they are not particularly keen on any of the parties at the moment.
This is not an election with a lack of choice !
Brexit Party - For those that want to leave without a deal Tories - For those that think May's deal is a fair compromise Labour - For those that want Jezza's alternative plan... Change UK - For those that want to remain in the EU, and are in the blairite centre Lib Dems - For those that want to remain in the EU, and are social democrats (The orange book wing has really died a death now) UKIP - A hodge podge alliance of cultural conservatives, free speech warriors and those on the right. Also against the deal, but not now the primary reason for the party (That's now the Brexit party) Greens - For those that think superglueing themselves to London's roads is a good idea. Very largely remainers. SNP/Plaid if you live in Scotland or Wales
Northern Ireland has the usual mix of bigots, ex terrorists and so forth.
So that is: 2 No deal parties, 1 Deal party 1 Labour party 3 (4 if you live in Wales or Scotland) Remain parties.
McDonalds may offer plenty of choice but I would still prefer Gaucho's.
Scottish Socialist Voice unhappy IDS and the Tories get all the blame for universal credit. Frank Field and Denis Healey are names and shamed for thinking about it.
It is out of date though, the March version - apparently the balance of probabilities on Brexit are shifting towards May.
Gordon Browns book is labelled dismal and depressing.
A true measure of the man then.
Sadly their review is 90% saying why Brown is just as much to blame for Iraq as Blair rather than any other take on whatever points are in the book.
It is actually a rather good piece of prose, measured, clear and careful. It is worth a bit of time for those who have it.
What chance Mr Wings is going to end up with a large bill for Ms Dugdale’s costs?
Odds on but not certain.
That judgement is a victory for common sense - as I said repeatedly, "Fair comment, honestly held view"
Yep, it’s a really good judgment. Makes me wonder about the quality of the advice Campbell got up front but he had a very capable QC against whom I have done several cases. Sometimes the default assumption is that the defender will fold and sometimes it’s wrong
The judge seems to hint (Unless I'm misreading it) that under English law, Campbell might have won !
Galloway who is paid by Russian TV to sell their propaganda to an unsuspecting public coupled with Farage the mouthpiece of Leave with links to Russia....
I thought he'd rejoined Labour? Or was he blocked?
In some newspapers it is claimed he did not actually make an application to re-join Labour whilst in other media some Labour politicians wanted to block any readmission.
It's an interesting development. Perhaps CUK see themselves not as the heirs to Blair but as the heirs to Cameron and one nation conservatism.
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
It's an interesting development. Perhaps CUK see themselves not as the heirs to Blair but as the heirs to Cameron and one nation conservatism.
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
I thought that ALDE would be their choice, although it all seems pretty academic.
It's an interesting development. Perhaps CUK see themselves not as the heirs to Blair but as the heirs to Cameron and one nation conservatism.
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
I thought that ALDE would be their choice, although it all seems pretty academic.
If they did get the 6% they got on YouGov today, then I'd assume they'd scrape a seat in the South East (where presumably their support will be above average)?
In the more likely event that their national support is 5% or less, I doubt they'll get anything.
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No doubt there are websites that'll do the calcs. for you.
The “one more heave” and “if only there had been a true believer” argument (beloved of extremes) will be rolled out.
An aside, assuming numbers of the, cease to become MPs at the next election, where might they find employment? I can’t see much of the private sector wanting anything to do with them and the classic ex-Labour MP to charity sector scam doesn’t appear to be open to them.
"What twat sold those water cannons?"
*scans ERG members*
Or perhaps not.
"Labour 26%
Brexit Party 24%
Tories 20%
Greens 12%
Lib Dems 7%
UKIP 4%
CUK 2% "
Got the top two wrong, I'd probably transfer 2% off Labour over to Farage. Otherwise, I'll stick with the rest, including the Tories exceeding expectations.
"I need a wee...."
https://www.archbishopcranmer.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pcb2cnEw
https://twitter.com/His_Grace/status/1118099586588073984?s=19
https://www.bl.uk/votes-for-women/articles/suffragettes-violence-and-militancy
It is out of date though, the March version - apparently the balance of probabilities on Brexit are shifting towards May.
Gordon Browns book is labelled dismal and depressing.
And it's worth remembering that it wasn't until they suspended their campaign that women got the vote.
Cf Northern Ireland.
Look, it's not easy to pun utrecht, I'm doing the best I can.
Dear God.....
Well - OK, maybe it wouldn't be quite that bad, but it still sounds pretty bad.
There's no helping some people.
https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1118560481785065472?s=21
https://twitter.com/cirian75/status/1118407946969473025?s=19
A true measure of the man then.
Brexit Party - For those that want to leave without a deal
Tories - For those that think May's deal is a fair compromise
Labour - For those that want Jezza's alternative plan...
Change UK - For those that want to remain in the EU, and are in the blairite centre
Lib Dems - For those that want to remain in the EU, and are social democrats (The orange book wing has really died a death now)
UKIP - A hodge podge alliance of cultural conservatives, free speech warriors and those on the right. Also against the deal, but not now the primary reason for the party (That's now the Brexit party)
Greens - For those that think superglueing themselves to London's roads is a good idea. Very largely remainers.
SNP/Plaid if you live in Scotland or Wales
Northern Ireland has the usual mix of bigots, ex terrorists and so forth.
So that is:
2 No deal parties,
1 Deal party
1 Labour party
3 (4 if you live in Wales or Scotland) Remain parties.
Mike Gapes in the European Tory block, wonders never cease...
Some people may be reading this all wrong - the Conservatives are now facing a pincer movement from CUK on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The alignment may be on the centre-right after all.
In the more likely event that their national support is 5% or less, I doubt they'll get anything.