It would not surprise me if they covered these things up as too many interests might be damaged should clean energy or something else beneficial was obtainable. Lack of evidence I suppose but a former Canadian Minister of defence is on record as saying that Aliens are real and Governments do have joint projects with them.
The joint project is clearly highly effective since Canada hasn't been invaded in yonks.
lol - The former Canadian minister for defence does not strike me as ill! But who knows?
Libdems are not going to vote labour if u keep calling Swinson a tory.
Enough of them will. A reluctant vote for Labour to stop Brexit is still a vote to stop Brexit. Not all will look past the insults, of course, but they don't need all of them.
bigjohnowls said: "Cant be right Tory Swinson going backwards quicker than an Italian tank"
Why are you calling her "Tory Swinson". I think she is on the left of the LibDems - certainly further to the left than Ed Davey. This was why I favoured Davey over her in the leadership contest.
Much astute sounding chat on here today about the micro constituency side I must say. I've read with interest and placed a few bets accordingly. So I do hope it wasn't mainly bullshit.
Stocky said: "What would happen if CP won most seats but insufficient for a majority and no coalition or C&S was possible?
I assume that LP could form a government with C&S/coalition with LDs and SNP - but if this were not possible either (maybe LDs refused) what happens then??"
"The Tories stay in power as largest party if they have more than Labour and the SNP and Greens combined and the LDs and DUP abstain"
Is this true? According to AndyJS there would be another election.
bigjohnowls said: "Cant be right Tory Swinson going backwards quicker than an Italian tank"
Why are you calling her "Tory Swinson". I think she is on the left of the LibDems - certainly further to the left than Ed Davey. This was why I favoured Davey over her in the leadership contest.
Because of her voting record. Followed the Tory whip more often than both Gove and Hunt.
Much astute sounding chat on here today about the micro constituency side I must say. I've read with interest and placed a few bets accordingly. So I do hope it wasn't mainly bullshit.
Re your Munich killers comment surely you know its a lie
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
Farage should be there too as he wants a completely different BXT to Jester. Who is representing No Deal Brexit view?
Mr. NorthWales, the gender stuff is irrelevant. But the nature of political debates, having leaders, parties, and broadcasters constantly trying to fiddle the format to their advantage, is another black mark against them.
My google skills won’t allow me to find it, but do I recall correctly that Boris seems to be rubbish in the mayoral debates, but the public heard what they needed to and said he “won” in polling?
I was sure there was real data on this but can’t find it.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
Well it’s clearly perfectly fair to have the two parties who came 3rd and 4th in the last nation wide election to be allowed to debate on their own. It really isn’t on but typical of both individuals involved to shut out those who would takes votes off them.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
That strikes me as an overreaction to events from him. For one the sexism point is, pardon the phrase, bollocks, since the exclusion is about party size and nothing to do with gender, as they'd have done the same if it were Farron, indeed the arguments over who deserves inclusion happens each time. And as for the rest not all views get included even in a 7 way debate, and the question is where does one draw the line based on views and/or size of support. One between the big two and then one for everyone makes sense, because for now at least Labour and the Tories are objectively more significant.
Anne Frank's home is a very sobering experience and why I despise anti semitism with a passion and Corbyn in particular
He has to be kept out of no 10
But Pillarboxes and Piccanninies is just bantz right? I was at the Anne Frank House last weekend, teaching my kids about the evils of anti-Semitism. I will still vote Labour.
Your kids have learned the valuable lesson that anti-Semitism is quite bad but can be sort of cancelled out by tit for tat arguments and trips to Amsterdam. I salute your moral tutelage.
Re your Munich killers comment surely you know its a lie
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
Farage should be there too as he wants a completely different BXT to Jester. Who is representing No Deal Brexit view?
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
I think it would be fair to have a ziggurat of debates. One head-to-head between the most likely Prime Ministers. One with the next tier of parties as well (SNP and Lib Dems, perhaps), and another with every party above a notability threshold (so add in Greens, Plaid, Brexit).
OT. Anyone wondering why they should vote Labour should go and see Ken Loach's new film 'Sorry We Missed You'. As should anyone living in the North East. A difficult watch but it does make you wonder why anyone living in those communities or any like them would blame the EU when the real culprits are much closer to home..
Stocky said: "What would happen if CP won most seats but insufficient for a majority and no coalition or C&S was possible?
I assume that LP could form a government with C&S/coalition with LDs and SNP - but if this were not possible either (maybe LDs refused) what happens then??"
"The Tories stay in power as largest party if they have more than Labour and the SNP and Greens combined and the LDs and DUP abstain"
Is this true? According to AndyJS there would be another election.
Not unless a majority of MPs vote for it and a VONC no, otherwise the Tories stay in power
Re your Munich killers comment surely you know its a lie
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
Corbyn and labour have far more of a problem coming down the line from the investigation into antisemitism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission report in the new year.
There is a real possibily that members on the NEC and the party itself could face bankrupcy as reported by the Independent on the 12th October
Re your Munich killers comment surely you know its a lie
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
Corbyn and labour have far more of a problem coming down the line from the investigation into antisemitism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission report in the new year.
There is a real possibily that members on the NEC and the party itself could face bankrupcy as reported by the Independent on the 12th October
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
I think it would be fair to have a ziggurat of debates. One head-to-head between the most likely Prime Ministers. One with the next tier of parties as well (SNP and Lib Dems, perhaps), and another with every party above a notability threshold (so add in Greens, Plaid, Brexit).
It’s quite simple if you are standing in 80% of seats across the UK and are polling over, say 10%, you should be included in nationwide debates. There should be separate debates in the three areas where they have devolved powers on regional television. Anything else is a stitch up.
Mr. NorthWales, the gender stuff is irrelevant. But the nature of political debates, having leaders, parties, and broadcasters constantly trying to fiddle the format to their advantage, is another black mark against them.
I'm getting fed up with Sporting Index. They're consistently limiting my bet stakes to small sizes. Given that they're a market maker, they presumably are getting as many buyers as sellers at their prices and they have quite a margin to protect them / provide them with profits. It seems very lame indeed to me.
Re your Munich killers comment surely you know its a lie
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
We feel your pain.
Unfortunately, it is about one trillionth of the pain of the families of the victims of the Olympic atrocity. An atrocity for whose planner Corbyn laid a wreath. A pain infinitely more deserving than yours.
So here, have a tune on a violin made of 19 atoms.
Re your Munich killers comment surely you know its a lie
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
Corbyn and labour have far more of a problem coming down the line from the investigation into antisemitism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission report in the new year.
There is a real possibily that members on the NEC and the party itself could face bankrupcy as reported by the Independent on the 12th October
What would happen in those circumstances?
The main thrust is that any guilty verdict by the commission would see an avalance of compensation cases against the NEC and the labour party itself. I assume, and as unlikely as it seems, many personal bankrupcy of labour officials and the liquidation of the party as an organisation
And if so all because labour allowed Corbyn to stay in office
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
Well it’s clearly perfectly fair to have the two parties who came 3rd and 4th in the last nation wide election to be allowed to debate on their own. It really isn’t on but typical of both individuals involved to shut out those who would takes votes off them.
The electoral system is already a stitch up for the 2 main parties. I don't think a lot of the public will take kindly to them trying to shut out everyone else from debates as well. It just seems wrong.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
Well it’s clearly perfectly fair to have the two parties who came 3rd and 4th in the last nation wide election to be allowed to debate on their own. It really isn’t on but typical of both individuals involved to shut out those who would takes votes off them.
The electoral system is already a stitch up for the 2 main parties. I don't think a lot of the public will take kindly to them trying to shut out everyone else from debates as well. It just seems wrong.
I am not sure. A debate with all leaders would be a confusing shouting match
A debate between the only two candidates that for PM is justified
I suspect both Corbyn and Boris will only debate each other in this election
There will be debates with other leaders but I do not expect Boris or Corbyn will be there
It is a stitch up and others have every right to be angry
bigjohnowls said: "Cant be right Tory Swinson going backwards quicker than an Italian tank"
Why are you calling her "Tory Swinson". I think she is on the left of the LibDems - certainly further to the left than Ed Davey. This was why I favoured Davey over her in the leadership contest.
Because of her voting record. Followed the Tory whip more often than both Gove and Hunt.
It’s worth pointing out Corbyn has followed the Tory whip more often than any of them...
If Johnson allows the debate to deviate from the EU and voters go back to where they were just five years ago-the EU's importance was somewhere between 'Country Life and Animal welfare in the Ipsos Mori index-then Johnson's Tories are screwed. I
It's an uphill job for Corbyn but six weeks is a long time and with nothing material happening on the EU front it should certainly be possible. A flu outbreak would help.
HYUFD says: " Not necessarily if the LDs and DUP have the balance of power and refuse to put Corbyn in, Boris stays PM unless and until he loses a VONC"
So we would be back to square one. They will have a renewed opportunity to keep the Tories limping on. What a nightmare.
If Johnson allows the debate to deviate from the EU and voters go back to where they were just five years ago-the EU's importance was somewhere between 'Country Life and Animal welfare in the Ipsos Mori index-then Johnson's Tories are screwed. I
It's an uphill job for Corbyn but six weeks is a long time and with nothing material happening on the EU front it should certainly be possible. A flu outbreak would help.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer
Which lie are you repeating tonight?
Why are you calling her "Tory Swinson". I think she is on the left of the LibDems - certainly further to the left than Ed Davey. This was why I favoured Davey over her in the leadership contest.
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/is-boris-johnson-going-to-stand-in-broadland-1-6350602
In reality there are a number of departing Tories in safer seats than his he could swap to.
Stocky said:
"What would happen if CP won most seats but insufficient for a majority and no coalition or C&S was possible?
I assume that LP could form a government with C&S/coalition with LDs and SNP - but if this were not possible either (maybe LDs refused) what happens then??"
"The Tories stay in power as largest party if they have more than Labour and the SNP and Greens combined and the LDs and DUP abstain"
Is this true? According to AndyJS there would be another election.
"It’s the End of California as We Know It
The fires and the blackouts are connected to a larger problem in this state: a failure to live sustainably.
Farhad Manjoo"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/opinion/california-fires.html
It is untrue.
Corbyn did indeed attend a wreath-lying ceremony in 2014 where victims of the 1985 Israeli airstrike against the headquarters of the Palestine Liberation Organisation in Tunis were remembered – an attack that had been condemned at the time by the UN and by Margaret Thatcher. The attack killed around 50 people, mostly Palestinians, and injured many more.
While wreaths may also have been laid at other graves, Corbyn did not participate in these ceremonies. Nor are any of the graves those of Munich perpetrators, who are mostly buried in Libya. None is buried in Tunis.
The Labour Party has lodged a formal complaint with IPSO, the body that passes for a regulator for the main press titles, about the ‘MSM’s misrepresentation of Jeremy Corbyn’s 2014 visit to the Hammam Chott Palestinian cemetery in Tunis’.
Whatever your politics, this is discriminatory, undemocratic and wrong. Not only is it two blokes deciding to have a debate excluding women, we are not a two party country and the sizeable proportion of the public who want to #StopBrexit won’t have a voice in the room.
I was sure there was real data on this but can’t find it.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/labour-drops-complaint-against-six-newspapers-over-corbyn-wreath-coverage-after-email-leak-unacceptably-compromised-ipso-process/
There is a real possibily that members on the NEC and the party itself could face bankrupcy as reported by the Independent on the 12th October
Unfortunately, it is about one trillionth of the pain of the families of the victims of the Olympic atrocity. An atrocity for whose planner Corbyn laid a wreath. A pain infinitely more deserving than yours.
So here, have a tune on a violin made of 19 atoms.
And if so all because labour allowed Corbyn to stay in office
- A VONC in what?
- How can Tories go to queen and say they can form a government?
I don`t get this at all. If no majority can be found then there has to be a 2nd GE quickly, surely?
A debate between the only two candidates that for PM is justified
I suspect both Corbyn and Boris will only debate each other in this election
There will be debates with other leaders but I do not expect Boris or Corbyn will be there
It is a stitch up and others have every right to be angry
And an election before then is impossible
I`ve just had a further BXP email. The heading is "Help us press the reset button".
It's an uphill job for Corbyn but six weeks is a long time and with nothing material happening on the EU front it should certainly be possible. A flu outbreak would help.
So we would be back to square one. They will have a renewed opportunity to keep the Tories limping on. What a nightmare.
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2019/11/the-election-battlegrounds-1-east-midlands.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-iowa/democratic-white-house-candidates-look-for-breakout-at-iowa-party-dinner-idUSKBN1XB3T4
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1190343238059606017
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/01/warrens-health-care-ideas-will-cost-us-2-million-jobs/
May well back out of my position on her.