Corbyn repeats his suggestion that there be no internal market in the NHS, despite plenty of areas where nobody would dispute private sector arrangements, such as GPs, pharmacies, and the like. Indeed to abolish the internal market might mean abolishing NHS Trusts?
I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this to be something palatable for all sides. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
I think there will be Neil interviews at some point.
What an odd question - mentioning the questioner talked about silly giveaways, then asking for a firm answer to whether austerity was over. Those are separate issues.
I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
And you'll probably keep thinking that right up till December 13th...
You're as biased as me dude.
At least I've got actual polling on my side. If Brexit isn't going to be decisive in this election then why exactly is Boris winning it - because the public prefers his NHS policies?
I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
I think there will be Neil interviews at some point.
This is what is needed.
The format used here is very irritating to watch. No-one gets going, or is properly questioned.
This is just bollocks bloody disgrace Johnson now goes solve the nhs by getting brexit done
Didn't you read the side of the red bus?
I did but Johnson has just made a massive promise that I don’t know if it possible to deliver on in that no one will have to sell their home to pay for care. This is big because when I go my wife will have to go into care probably for a long time and it hasn’t been challenged properly what does he mean ? Free dementia care for all ? What he got away with it.
I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
And you'll probably keep thinking that right up till December 13th...
You're as biased as me dude.
At least I've got actual polling on my side. If Brexit isn't going to be decisive in this election then why exactly is Boris winning it - because the public prefers his NHS policies?
I think Emma Barnett is fantastic. But it is a poisoned chalice chairing a debate like this. I'm not sure anyone could get this. Personally I'd rather an hour-long one on one interview with each leader by Barnett or Neil.
I think there will be Neil interviews at some point.
This is what is needed.
The format used here is very irritating to watch. No-one gets going, or is properly questioned.
I think this "get Brexit done" thing is backfiring
Not really if it's the only slogan people are talking about...
That's actually a good point. If, at the end of what sounds from the descriptions being offered like a highly uninformative shouting match, all that anyone remembers is soundbites about Brexit then they won't be remembering soundbites about the NHS.
Labour's support amongst its core of habit and client voters is secure, so it isn't going to get wiped out, but the NHS is the only weapon it has to try to win over the undecided. A good run of NHS scare stories is the difference between 210-220 seats and 250-260.
I watched the first half of the debate but it was such a shambles I turned it off. Feel sorry that the country will be landed with one of these incompetents.
This debate is just not cutting it . No time for any proper debate . Corbyn won’t care though . It’s all about improving his image and improving his favourability .
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .
What present would they leave under the Christmas tree for each other? Corbyn says he would give Boris a Christmas Carol, Boris says he would give him a copy of his Brexit Deal and some dansom jam
This debate is just not cutting it . No time for any proper debate . Corbyn won’t care though . It’s all about improving his image and improving his favourability .
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .
You know why advertisers make their commercials deliberately annoying, right?
Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
This debate is just not cutting it . No time for any proper debate . Corbyn won’t care though . It’s all about improving his image and improving his favourability .
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .
Corbyn conspicuously not answering questions, but other than the Brexit section generally getting much better lines out than Boris.
Groan from audience about Boris repeating the Brexit point, which actually is a bit unfair. Yes he's banged on about it and that is irritating, but its a political debate for christ's sake, including his main point in his summation is not unreasonable.
Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
The weakness of Corbyn is that he couldn't put Johnson under any pressure despite the fact that Johnson avoided answering questions.
Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
He could have produced Gladstonian oratory and Kantian thought and you’d still have whined about him.
Well what a shocker no knock out blows and no great revelation. Boris did better than I thought he might be was becoming a broken record towards the end. Corbyn didn’t break through on anything really but when on form was pretty personable.
Can everyone agree whether or not they think debates make a difference before we get a snap poll response, so that no one can claim that is what they think if it shows something bad for their side?
I'd shade it to Corbyn - more variety, he's clearer on most things, but Boris did get some blows in that Corbyn cannot queit dignity his way out of.
And i stand by thinking Corbyn's ratings will skyrocket - there's nowhere else for them to go, he cannot live down to that expectation.
Indeed it does. Anyone who travels in Europe can see how far behind we are on rail. The point from the debate was that Bozo volunteered high speed rail unprompted as an example of how we’ll be investing in future infrastructure. Clearly his “review” is just another gimmick to try and keep his Luddites on board until Dec 12th.
Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.
Neither of them comes better out of this debate than I thought of them beforehand, but it is remarkable what an utter shyster Bozo clearly is. What wrong turning did our poor country ever take to end with a choice such as this?
He could have produced Gladstonian oratory and Kantian thought and you’d still have whined about him.
They were both crap. Corbyn looks shifty, Johnson sounds shifty. Corbyn couldn't answer where he stands on Brexit, Johnson couldn't answer even a Christmas question without talking about Brexit.
I think Corbyn missed an open goal with the 40 hospitals thing. He should have pointed out that Boris was lying in response to a question about trust and personal integrity.
Well what a shocker no knock out blows and no great revelation. Boris did better than I thought he might be was becoming a broken record towards the end. Corbyn didn’t break through on anything really but when on form was pretty personable.
And the whole thing is followed by I'm A Celebrity, which is what about 95% of the ITV audience was waiting for.
They probably spent the preceding hour watching Holby or Supermarket Sweep.
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The format used here is very irritating to watch. No-one gets going, or is properly questioned.
They are I suppose old (white) men.
But good if both leaders have finally been forced to commit to it in public.
Good answer from Corbyn on the monarchy - well done.
Labour's support amongst its core of habit and client voters is secure, so it isn't going to get wiped out, but the NHS is the only weapon it has to try to win over the undecided. A good run of NHS scare stories is the difference between 210-220 seats and 250-260.
He comes across as much more genuine who actually does care about people . Bozo is overdoing the get Brexit done , it’s now becoming every annoying .
Nailed it.
If we all agreed to roam the wildwood as hunter-gatherers they'd be quite happy.
Except with the hunting bit.
Yes, sorry, you were right.
Time to laugh at Jo 10pm
Excellent lines from Boris.
The snapshot of Jezza's face at the end betrayed his dismay at the whole thing. IMO.
Switching over to Golddigger on BBC1 like most viewers now I expect
Dont let Corbyn steal Christmas.
Ps. I'm a LD and grew up in a Labour household.
I think Johnson edged the first half, Corbyn won the second by a bigger margin. Neither was great, but Corbyn wins the snap poll.
Personally, I'd cut his Civil List money by about 97%.
I'd shade it to Corbyn - more variety, he's clearer on most things, but Boris did get some blows in that Corbyn cannot queit dignity his way out of.
And i stand by thinking Corbyn's ratings will skyrocket - there's nowhere else for them to go, he cannot live down to that expectation.
I'm not sure you can genuinely say somebody repeatedly laughed at was a clear winner
Judging by your reactions that seems about right.
Must have been something REALLY strong in your drinking game. Was it industrial alcohol or meths?
They probably spent the preceding hour watching Holby or Supermarket Sweep.
Because: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/11/07/which-issues-will-decide-general-election
Has Corbyn done enough to follow the pattern of 2017 and see polling continue to tick up? Will Labour members have despaired, or LDs be put off?