The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
They absolutely don't deserve a majority. I have never known a faction more entitled with so little justification. There is plenty more of that entitlement on here.
On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
I typed 'Graham's Number' into Microsoft's search engine and it came up with 020 8848 6700, the phone number of a plumber's merchant in Hayes.
I haven't seen any change in the attitude towards Corbyn since this campaign started. He started off as corrosive as alien organic acid. Still the same response today. "We have to stop Corbyn." Multiple times.
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
I haven't seen any change in the attitude towards Corbyn since this campaign started. He started off as corrosive as alien organic acid. Still the same response today. "We have to stop Corbyn." Multiple times.
No Herdson type Con collapse during your canvassing session then?
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutely
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
The Labour manifesto if implemented will cause a market panic, capital flight, a brain drain and will ultimately further impoverish the poorest in society.
There's a case to be made that trickle down economics isn't working. But replacing it wholesale with the failed socialist policies of the 70s that made Britain the sick man of Europe is not the way forward. It is a regressive step.
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Just for being (maybe) wrong? Most people are wrong more than they are right, it would be exhausting to abuse people for that, and render the job of political pundit impossible.
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
Corbyn strong on Boris bad brexit speaking today in labour leave territory, trying to put doubt in mind of labour folk about trusting a Tory brexit should think, “the problem you have Boris, the 2016 mandate did not say how to leave. Remain clear in 2016, remain on Cameron’s deal, leave was a blank check to government to politicians to negotiate any sort of bad deal, bad for the union, bad for workers, bad for consumers, bad for environment, you will then hail this great deal, and aren’t we great too for making it so quickly by accepting the EU's border in the Irish sea proposals May rejected you supported her in rejecting. you insist this has gone on long enough, get brexit done, and push through this bad deal. But No exercise in Democracy can give politicians a blank check without giving the people a final say, It’s just not well rounded democracy” "Give the negotiator a blank cheque and the people no final say? to you this is wonderfully democratic? Would you still argue its wonderful and fantastically democratic if I was the negotiator on your behalf?" “Stop dividing the country. Stop attacking people pointing out the flaws in the 2016 process and need for People’s vote. Freedom of expression is going backwards because of Tory Brexit, and freedom of expression was what put Great in this country in the first place.”
Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote. Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Does Anthony Wells tweet imply no final YouGov poll?
I suppose it would make sense for them to simply stick with the (very recently published) MRP if you think about it. There's no sign of life from ICM either.
Might mean that we've only got Survation left to come tonight.
EDIT: checked ICM website, confirms their poll of 9 December is their final offering of the campaign.
Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
Well the only thing I’m clinging to is that they’re not called ComedyResults for nothing...
The Deltapoll marginals has restored calm. I’m sticking with my Con maj 60, and hoping for more.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.
Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.
Tories campaign has been piss poor again in this respect. The Get Brexit Done and the Kiwi Shitsters have been an improvement on 2017, but again they have let Corbynonomics just get out there totally unchallenged. New Labour or the Tories with Osborne as #2 never let that happen. They had spread doubt by the end of the day in every new announcement by the opposition.
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutely
Wrong way round. It was Labour choosing Corbyn, and thereby emasculating the Labour Remain campaign, which was one of the key reasons Leave won.
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
Corbyn strong on Boris bad brexit speaking today in labour leave territory, trying to put doubt in mind of labour folk about trusting a Tory brexit should think, “the problem you have Boris, the 2016 mandate did not say how to leave. Remain clear in 2016, remain on Cameron’s deal, leave was a blank check to government to politicians to negotiate any sort of bad deal, bad for the union, bad for workers, bad for consumers, bad for environment, you will then hail this great deal, and aren’t we great too for making it so quickly by accepting the EU's border in the Irish sea proposals May rejected you supported her in rejecting. you insist this has gone on long enough, get brexit done, and push through this bad deal. But No exercise in Democracy can give politicians a blank check without giving the people a final say, It’s just not well rounded democracy” "Give the negotiator a blank cheque and the people no final say? to you this is wonderfully democratic? Would you still argue its wonderful and fantastically democratic if I was the negotiator on your behalf?" “Stop dividing the country. Stop attacking people pointing out the flaws in the 2016 process and need for People’s vote. Freedom of expression is going backwards because of Tory Brexit, and freedom of expression was what put Great in this country in the first place.”
I'm mostly with him up to the demand to stop dividing the country. What the bloody heck are either of them doing other than seeking to divide the country, but with the larger division being on their side? And no, his officiall neutral stance, which I don't think is actually a terrible one, just not very principled or meaningful given his party's overall approach, negate that.
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Just for being (maybe) wrong? Most people are wrong more than they are right, it would be exhausting to abuse people for that, and render the job of political pundit impossible.
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41% Tory 38% Lab is a 0.5% swing to the Tories. How can that possibly mean a Labour minority government, given it would see the Tories gain 12 Labour seats and at most likely lose only 5 to the SNP on the final Scottish polls?
Not saying they wouldn't deserve the label, as I don't know anything about Maureen Lipman despite coming up earlier in the campaign to know if she deserves it, but I do wonder how many national treasures we have?
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41% Tory 38% Lab is a 0.5% swing to the Tories. How can that possibly mean a Labour minority government, given it would see the Tories gain 12 Labour seats and at most likely lose only 5 to the SNP on the final Scottish polls?
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
Well the only thing I’m clinging to is that they’re not called ComedyResults for nothing...
The Deltapoll marginals has restored calm. I’m sticking with my Con maj 60, and hoping for more.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.
Excellent work, Wiggs Senior. You can come out on my canvass team any time!
Are listed companies allowed to force their shareholders to give up their shares for bonds?
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.
Too technical for Joe Voter.
Is "government bonds = official IOUs" too technical to even mention?
Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
Vanilla works for reading and commenting on mobile. I find comments don't work on Firefox or Chrome for mobile any more, but do when using Brave, although it won't let me log in to post.
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
Well the only thing I’m clinging to is that they’re not called ComedyResults for nothing...
The Deltapoll marginals has restored calm. I’m sticking with my Con maj 60, and hoping for more.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.
Make sure they photograph the ballot paper just to make sure they are not having you on.
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutely
Wrong way round. It was Labour choosing Corbyn, and thereby emasculating the Labour Remain campaign, which was one of the key reasons Leave won.
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.
I agree with pretty much everything you have written. In fact I could have written the same thing myself in a polemical moment. But...in this cesspit..there are still quite a few of us hanging on and hoping we can fight back....
On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
Interesting how Corbyn's IRA association didn't stick to him in 2017, whereas his antisemitism has this time.
Either way, anyone voting for him should hang their heads in shame.
Jester has done more to bring about a United Ireland and is an actual racist
Anyone voting for him should hang their head in shame!!
No, I don't think he is a racist, and certainly not indisputably so. He is however a liar and a charlatan. He may not be the first such PM in my lifetime of whom that could be said, but he would certainly be the first who was known to be such before he was elected.
Peter Do you know any other non racists who talk about "watermelon smiles" and "Piccaninnies" or that say "Islam is the problem."or compare Muslim women to letter boxes or Bank Robbers?
He actually said it was OK for Muslim women to wear veils (bear in mind that not all Muslim women do so).
So glad that noted feminist Johnson is around to tell women what it's ok for them to wear.
On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
I typed 'Graham's Number' into Microsoft's search engine and it came up with 020 8848 6700, the phone number of a plumber's merchant in Hayes.
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote. Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
Ah the mythical all-seeing private polling. Why would it ever be any better than the public polling we see?
I apologise to Mr Byronic for what was an intemperate response.
No worries mate, we all get a bit upset.
I was only teasing you in the original comment.
Hence why it was uncalled for, but I can be a bit petulant at times.
Incidentally, when I was abroad recently, and looking for an objective viewpoint on PB, on leader debates (which I could not watch), it was you who gave the most fair minded account.
So your studied if sometimes frustrating neutrality is very valuable. Keep it up!
The Tories have inflicted three years of Brexit twattery on us...plunging the country into a nihilistic, populist nightmare.
Please, can someone tell me why they deserve a majority tomorrow.? And the answer cannot mention Corbyn. Thanks
Something something get Brexit done
You know...today our administrator just blurted out racist stuff as if it was normal...fucking Tories...you've opened up the box with your Brexit shitshow and you've made this country a worse place. Well fucking done
Yes Brexit made Labour a racist cess pit ......
Brexit has made the Labour Party a nasty place to be...yes, absolutely
Wrong way round. It was Labour choosing Corbyn, and thereby emasculating the Labour Remain campaign, which was one of the key reasons Leave won.
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.
I agree with pretty much everything you have written. In fact I could have written the same thing myself in a polemical moment. But...in this cesspit..there are still quite a few of us hanging on and hoping we can fight back....
Which is fair enough, as I said the other day. I have every respect for those who stay and try to improve things from the inside, but I also respect those who get to the point where they feel they can't in all conscience continue to do so. It's not an easy decision.
So, basically, what that reminds us is of is the fact that the polls showing big Tory leads were way out.
Shit the bed.
Anyone back them would have seen that Labour were going up like a rocket. If you combined local information with the best PM scores and Consumer Confidence you would have predicted a close result.
This time the best PM scores gives us a Conservative lead somewhere in the high to mid single digits, the local anecdotes are more mixed but still pro-Labour, and consumer confidence is worse.
In all, it feels like it's a very close run thing for a majority, probably a 50/50 situation right now.
Why is Chris Williamson not on the Betfair market for Derby North? He is surely only marginally more ridiculous a figure than Lord Buckethead, who is available to back for Uxbridge.
Don't forget the 2015 rumour that LDs were going to win Maidstone and the Weald.
I was one of the ones doing the counting, it was absolutely hilarious! Their activists swarmed the count and it took hours for them to realise they were going nowhere.
Why is Chris Williamson not on the Betfair market for Derby North? He is surely only marginally more ridiculous a figure than Lord Buckethead, who is available to back for Uxbridge.
What's ridiculous about Lord Buckethead? Eminently sensible policy platform. Chris Williamson, on the other hand …
I'm hearing rumours of IDS is a goner in Chingford!
There are no 'rumours' as most of the votes have not yet been cast. What a ridiculous post, the polls show it close but that is a different matter
In 1992 the Tories knew Chris Patten was losing Bath well before the votes were past. This seems like a 1992 result- the Tories squeaking a 20 majority and then the country is plunged into 5 years of hellish governance....
Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
Vanilla works for reading and commenting on mobile. I find comments don't work on Firefox or Chrome for mobile any more, but do when using Brave, although it won't let me log in to post.
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.
I just turn the phone landscape - much easier to read
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote. Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
Ah the mythical all-seeing private polling. Why would it ever be any better than the public polling we see?
It worked very well for Labour in 2017. In fact it could have been a public pollster like Yougov and Survation or Mori that would have told them roughly the same thing.
Anyone know how to get the PB comments to show on an android phone? Can't see these now unless I'm sat at my PC - sub optimal for tomorrow night.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
Vanilla works for reading and commenting on mobile. I find comments don't work on Firefox or Chrome for mobile any more, but do when using Brave, although it won't let me log in to post.
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.
On the subject of massively ranges for predictions:
In mathematics there is a famous number called Graham’s Number after its discover. The number itself is one of the class of stupidly big numbers that are too big to ever calculate; indeed early on in the recipe for finding the number you are dealing with numbers which are literally too big to fit in the universe. This means that if you could write each digit in the smallest volume known to science there would not be enough room in the visible universe to write it down.
The best bit about this number is that is was not actually the answer to the problem Graham was trying to solve, only the upper bound. The lower bound was... 3.
Predictions which range from a hung parliament to a Tory majority in three figures are pretty mild by comparison.
I typed 'Graham's Number' into Microsoft's search engine and it came up with 020 8848 6700, the phone number of a plumber's merchant in Hayes.
I must remember to stick with Google next time.
Unless you need plumbing materials, in which case stick with Microsoft.
For a Labour coalition to form it needs to be a tie in the national vote. Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
Can you please explain what Corbyn's MRP is saying? Who will be providing it?
Basically because Corbyn is campaigning in seats that are close using the published MRP's days before they are published, a feat that he did in 2017 too, I assume he has (well Labour or Momentum) a "Crystal Ball" connected straight to an MRP.
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
Ah the mythical all-seeing private polling. Why would it ever be any better than the public polling we see?
It worked very well for Labour in 2017. In fact it could have been a public pollster like Yougov and Survation or Mori that would have told them roughly the same thing.
But in 2015, their private polling was utter garbage.
Still waiting for Survation, YouGov and ICM, assuming they're all publishing tonight...? Ipsos MORI expected tomorrow morning I believe.
Why am I drawn to the 5% poll and worried, yet not calmed by the 5 x 10% and over polls?
2017 has a lot to answer for. I was fine until this evening.
What worries me is how the Tories have morphed into an English nationalist pressure group that doesn't give 2 flying fucks about the economic health of the country and fights an election on an entirely mendacious theme of "get Brexit done" that is obviously bollox. What became of your party? From what I see you are something much lower than pond life amoeba...
This has been an unpleasant campaign, and this type of post typifies it.
I dislike Corbyn vehemently and disagree with most Labour policy. But I still recognise that most Labour candidates are like most Conservative candidates - decent and honourable people motivated primarily by notions of public service, who want to do the best for the community.
I certainly wouldn’t call them lower than amoeba. I wish you didn’t either
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Pretty much what Corbyn's MRP is probably saying.
I must remember to stick with Google next time.
I haven't seen any change in the attitude towards Corbyn since this campaign started. He started off as corrosive as alien organic acid. Still the same response today. "We have to stop Corbyn." Multiple times.
I don't doubt for one minute though that you are a clever fellow
Also I genuinely think there has been a modest swingback to the Tories, as the prospect of a Corbyn government scared the shit out of everyone
Shit the bed.
I was particularly intrigued by "Outrage over Jesus Christ video game that promises 'realistic' Satan fight scenes."
There's a case to be made that trickle down economics isn't working. But replacing it wholesale with the failed socialist policies of the 70s that made Britain the sick man of Europe is not the way forward. It is a regressive step.
“the problem you have Boris, the 2016 mandate did not say how to leave. Remain clear in 2016, remain on Cameron’s deal, leave was a blank check to government to politicians to negotiate any sort of bad deal, bad for the union, bad for workers, bad for consumers, bad for environment, you will then hail this great deal, and aren’t we great too for making it so quickly by accepting the EU's border in the Irish sea proposals May rejected you supported her in rejecting.
you insist this has gone on long enough, get brexit done, and push through this bad deal. But No exercise in Democracy can give politicians a blank check without giving the people a final say, It’s just not well rounded democracy”
"Give the negotiator a blank cheque and the people no final say? to you this is wonderfully democratic? Would you still argue its wonderful and fantastically democratic if I was the negotiator on your behalf?"
“Stop dividing the country. Stop attacking people pointing out the flaws in the 2016 process and need for People’s vote. Freedom of expression is going backwards because of Tory Brexit, and freedom of expression was what put Great in this country in the first place.”
When companies issue bonds, are they allowed to insist that the markets don't consider them as debt?
If they tried to, would they be done for a massive financial fraud?
Isn't all this exactly what Labour is promising with its insane nationalisation plan? We've not even been told what it'll cost because they claim it's fiscally neutral. The only costing I've heard on it was a mention on bbc radio today; apparently they're planning to spend "over 80 billion " on nationalisations. Presumably that's less than 90 billion. Is that even enough to buy all of our water, energy and Internet companies?
I'm disappointed that this hasn't been highlighted by the media or the Tory campaign.
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1204891823463899136
The Conservatives apparently don't have one, because their campaign is scattered and disorganized like last time.
Marxists make better party organizers apparently.
Might mean that we've only got Survation left to come tonight.
EDIT: checked ICM website, confirms their poll of 9 December is their final offering of the campaign.
I live in marginal Alyn & Deeside. Tallying up the house, Wiggs minor has been persuaded to cast his first ever ballot blue for the team not the leader, whilst the Memsahib is doing likewise having occasionally dallied with the Red Devil. That’s 3 towards a working majority.
Even if that weren't the case, Corbyn brought Seumas Milne and the other extremely unpleasant elements in before the referendum. You can't blame anyone other than Labour for Labour descending into a vile cesspit.
I was only teasing you in the original comment.
Used to work and then just disappeared a week or two ago?
In 2017 the Con-Lab gap was less than expected.
In 2015, it was more than expected.
In 2010, it was less than expected.
Assuming that errors will be be in the same direction as last time is a sure fire way of losing all your money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZL8kqVILbo
One question I have - does anyone know how to make the text bigger on mobile? I get eye strain pretty bad.
Well, you're hardly likely to stay the night there, are you?
https://news.sky.com/story/mystery-as-hundreds-of-birds-found-dead-in-road-in-wales-11883847
on PB, on leader debates (which I could not watch), it was you who gave the most fair minded account.
So your studied if sometimes frustrating neutrality is very valuable. Keep it up!
If you combined local information with the best PM scores and Consumer Confidence you would have predicted a close result.
This time the best PM scores gives us a Conservative lead somewhere in the high to mid single digits, the local anecdotes are more mixed but still pro-Labour, and consumer confidence is worse.
In all, it feels like it's a very close run thing for a majority, probably a 50/50 situation right now.
The red wall will not crumble entirely. The Tories will gain 4 seats in the red wall.
The Tories will lose five seats in Scotland.
The Tories will lose four seats in London.
The Lib Dems will make surprise gains in the South - but will only be in the low 20s at best.
The next Government will be a Labour minority Government supported by the SNP in a C&S agreement. The Lib Dems will abstain.
Corbyn will resign.
I come from the future
This seems like a 1992 result- the Tories squeaking a 20 majority and then the country is plunged into 5 years of hellish governance....
Tomorrow is gonna be a big day
https://www.survation.com/final-general-election-2019-poll-results-a-preview/
In fact it could have been a public pollster like Yougov and Survation or Mori that would have told them roughly the same thing.
Because Socialism was tested to destruction in this country in the 60's & 70's.
It failed so badly that is was then junked by Labour & with the exception of North Korea & Cuba abandoned by the rest of the world.
I dislike Corbyn vehemently and disagree with most Labour policy. But I still recognise that most Labour candidates are like most Conservative candidates - decent and honourable people motivated primarily by notions of public service, who want to do the best for the community.
I certainly wouldn’t call them lower than amoeba. I wish you didn’t either