Was Kirsteen Hair the one who didn't vote in EuRef because it was too hard?
Yes!!!
A diddy of the first order!
That was a pleasing defeat, she is an idiot.
I think Cat Boyd, darling of the Scottish left didn't vote in EU ref either. She was last seen on Twitter exhorting everyone to vote SLab to be 'allowed' a Section 30 order, and getting destroyed in the replies.
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
Possibly, likely, counting my chickens here, but, now that it seems that Brexit will actually happen, it was probably for the good that the referendum result was tested to within an inch of its life before enactment, albeit in the free market kind of way it has rather than a second go at it. Leave won the referendum, then the only party willing to enact the result won a Majority in a subsequent GE with the policy in its manifesto. Double lock!
The LDs need to find a way of making their peace with leavers. They spent 3 years belittling half the population (e.g. exotic spresm) and can only attract a quarter of the other half.
I'm afraid it's more likely they'll think it's a wizard wheeze to become "the Back In Party." BIP. You heard it here first,
Layla Moran is that rare breed of politician that does human, like Charlie Kennedy before her. Lib Dems could do worse at this point, and probably would given their very limited MP gene pool
Corbyn was very good at 'doing human'.
No he wasn’t. The man was an automaton. A stereotype. A joke. Have you never seen Citizen Smith?
Isn't the answer obvious? Make Chuka leader. Find him a safe seat for the next GE, then sit back and watch the votes flood in. Boris will be hunched and bloated figure by then - worn out, distracted and completely unappealing; in contrast Chuka's sizzle will make the voters swoon.
Possibly, likely, counting my chickens here, but, now that it seems that Brexit will actually happen, it was probably for the good that the referendum result was tested to within an inch of its life before enactment, albeit in the free market kind of way it has rather than a second go at it. Leave won the referendum, then the only party willing to enact the result won a Majority in a subsequent GE with the policy in its manifesto. Double lock!
Yep. It is unambiguously the will of the people. We'll be out by 1st Feb.
Isn't the answer obvious? Make Chuka leader. Find him a safe seat for the next GE, then sit back and watch the votes flood in. Boris will be hunched and bloated figure by then - worn out, distracted and completely unappealing; in contrast Chuka's sizzle will make the voters swoon.
Jo Swinson reckons she smashed the glass ceiling by becoming the first female Liberal Democrat party leader. Leading to broken glass falling on her ...
Really!!???
We've had two female Prime Ministers, two devolved female First Ministers and many female party leaders before her. No glass was broken.
To quote my mum (an LD, who did not vote LD this time) 'She wants to be Nicola Sturgeon, but doesn't have the ability'.
To be fair, Sturgeon didn't have the ability. She learnt it through a long apprenticeship to Salmond. Swinson made some bad mistakes and she was also unlucky, both of which she might have put behind her if she had time. We'll never know.
I have a slightly soft spot for Swinson because she categorically would make a better PM than either Johnson or Corbyn, but no-one much voted for her, including myself.
Seeing the differential in Labour and Tory performance between men and women I feel like reposting something from earlier - an interesting gender breakdown from the HoC Library team!
Had thought that the Tories might have a bit more female representation, given the gender differential in polling with Labour maybe they would benefit from more of a feminine touch? (Only 24% women MPs.)
Labour MPs are for the first time ever more than 50% women (just, at 51%).
Wes Streeting has spoken more sense in 5 minutes than Corbyn & co have done for the last 5 years. Of course that will disqualify him from ever being the leader.
Bloke in a chippy in Rother Valley: Kick all the Marxists out and go back to being a Labour Party
Look North should be compulsory viewing for Momentum today.
I don't think that they are interested in listening.
Heads further up their own backsides than before, solemnly listening to their own farts - despite a whacking great paddle on their posterior from the public in the provinces.
Wes Streeting has spoken more sense in 5 minutes than Corbyn & co have done for the last 5 years. Of course that will disqualify him from ever being the leader.
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
The fishing question is iconic, even though it may not be "important" and the Cons will need to tread carefully for the sake of their seaside supporters. Like NI in the Withdrawal Agreement, it could prove to be an insurmountable point of disagreement for an FTA.
More people work at Harrods than in the British fishing industry.
Isn't that the problem? The same amount of fishing is happening, except that it's now EU boats making the money.
Less fishing is happening because there are less fish. We opened our waters to them as a quid pro quo for them opening their markets to all the fish we export to them (because most of the fish we catch is exported to the EU). The attention that fishing gets compared to financial services, whose access to EU markets is at risk and is worth hundreds or thousands times as much to our economy, is breathtaking.
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
Bloke in Wakefield: Labour would have held this seat if they'd got Brexit sorted before the election.
I think he's at least partly right. Remainers went shit or bust to stop Brexit when they should have accepted compromise. Then we would have still lost, but nothing like as badly.
The clear message is that if you hold a referendum you have to implement the result.
So the Tories won every class from upper middle class ABs to unskilled working class DEs, astonishing and with skilled working class C2s they got 50% of the vote.
Labour still does best with DEs and the LDs with ABs
Corbyn interview on CNN. He seems way more interested in him raising the number of Labour members, than the number of Labour voters.
Well of course, the hard left maintaining control of the labour party will be the focus of the hard left for the next 4/5 years.
The question is, what will Startmer, Cooper etc do? Do they leave the Labour brand to die with Momentum or do they try to kick them out and wrest the Labour name back. I suspect they'll have to give it up.
Corbyn interview on CNN. He seems way more interested in him raising the number of Labour members, than the number of Labour voters.
Well of course, the hard left maintaining control of the labour party will be the focus of the hard left for the next 4/5 years.
The question is, what will Startmer, Cooper etc do? Do they leave the Labour brand to die with Momentum or do they try to kick them out and wrest the Labour name back. I suspect they'll have to give it up.
What is the relationship with the Co-Operative Party? I've never fully understood it.
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
"If I was to guess from our conversations I would say that Boris basically agrees with me about everything," says everyone who has ever spoken to him.* * I have spoken to him. I started by telling him that something he had said previously was utterly wrong. He told me he agreed with me completely.
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
So the Tories won every class from upper middle class ABs to unskilled working class DEs, astonishing and with skilled working class C2s they got 50% of the vote.
Labour still does best with DEs and the LDs with ABs
Well done for all your effort and also, whether by luck, hope, or judgement, your calling of events as they have transpired these past few months.
"If I was to guess from our conversations I would say that Boris basically agrees with me about everything," says everyone who has ever spoken to him.* * I have spoken to him. I started by telling him that something he had said previously was utterly wrong. He told me he agreed with me completely.
Ha, so true. He'll morph as he needs.
The upside of this is that there's now no chance of a hard Brexit. The ERG will be told to piss off in no uncertain terms, and he'll shamelessly pivot to an extension of the transition period at the end of the year.
Election polling have put together a list of targets for 2024. For Lab they now need a 10% swing on UNS to get a majority of 2. That includes a lot of gains in Scotland. Without any Scottish gains it would be 13% swing required
Jo Swinson reckons she smashed the glass ceiling by becoming the first female Liberal Democrat party leader. Leading to broken glass falling on her ...
Really!!???
We've had two female Prime Ministers, two devolved female First Ministers and many female party leaders before her. No glass was broken.
To quote my mum (an LD, who did not vote LD this time) 'She wants to be Nicola Sturgeon, but doesn't have the ability'.
I have a slightly soft spot for Swinson because she categorically would make a better PM than either Johnson or Corbyn, but no-one much voted for her, including myself.
Possibly, likely, counting my chickens here, but, now that it seems that Brexit will actually happen, it was probably for the good that the referendum result was tested to within an inch of its life before enactment, albeit in the free market kind of way it has rather than a second go at it. Leave won the referendum, then the only party willing to enact the result won a Majority in a subsequent GE with the policy in its manifesto. Double lock!
Yep. It is unambiguously the will of the people. We'll be out by 1st Feb.
Labour know how to stage manage... in 1997 there was hoards of supporters cheering Blair, it looked like the "people had spoken", a scene almost from World War Z with crowds swarming Downing street. Yet, despite Boris securing more votes than Blair in 1997 we wont see those kind of scenes.
Labour know how to stage manage... in 1997 there was hoards of supporters cheering Blair, it looked like the "people had spoken", a scene almost from World War Z with crowds swarming Downing street. Yet, despite Boris securing more votes than Blair in 1997 we wont see those kind of scenes.
I know part of it is ideological, but it still seems notable how many Labour MPs dont seem like Corbyn personally, and more will admit to it now. His supporters talk about how nice and great he is, and he clearly agrees what a nice person he is, but it seems like if that were so hed have more respect from past and current colleagues even if ideologically opposed.
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I think Cat Boyd, darling of the Scottish left didn't vote in EU ref either. She was last seen on Twitter exhorting everyone to vote SLab to be 'allowed' a Section 30 order, and getting destroyed in the replies.
Kudos to the pollsters, many of whom did well at forecasting the electorate's fickle preferences.
I have a slightly soft spot for Swinson because she categorically would make a better PM than either Johnson or Corbyn, but no-one much voted for her, including myself.
https://members.parliament.uk/parties/Commons
Conservative: 364 MPs
Men 277
Women 87
Labour: 202 MPs
Men 98
Women 104
SNP: 48 MPs
Men 32
Women 16
Lib Dem: 11 MPs
Men 4
Women 7
DUP 8 MPs
Men 7
Women 1
SF 7 MPs
Men 5
Women 2
Had thought that the Tories might have a bit more female representation, given the gender differential in polling with Labour maybe they would benefit from more of a feminine touch? (Only 24% women MPs.)
Labour MPs are for the first time ever more than 50% women (just, at 51%).
Heads further up their own backsides than before, solemnly listening to their own farts - despite a whacking great paddle on their posterior from the public in the provinces.
Unless something has changed that I missed.
And we're done.
Though LOL at ComRes and ICM.
And the YouGov MRP was kinda wonky. Though the first projection was much better than the second.
Well, doh!
Vox pox in East Dunbartonshire hilarious.
I thought you didn't approve of Varadkar because he isn't sufficiently deferential to Ireland's rightful overlord?
My days....
Good election for the majority of pollsters, Survation et al were on the money.
High aims indeed.
Labour still does best with DEs and the LDs with ABs
* I have spoken to him. I started by telling him that something he had said previously was utterly wrong. He told me he agreed with me completely.
Con 25,365
LD 21,085
Lab 3,553
Grn 964
Lib 314
CP 132
The upside of this is that there's now no chance of a hard Brexit. The ERG will be told to piss off in no uncertain terms, and he'll shamelessly pivot to an extension of the transition period at the end of the year.
https://twitter.com/ExStrategist/status/1205498529764040705?s=20
That should be enough to thoroughly betray the ERG and send them the way of Nigel Dodds.
EDIT - Cummings hates the ERG too. He'll enjoy this.