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  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Next Scottish parliamentary general election, 6 May 2021 - Most seats

    SNP 1/8
    Con 8/1
    Lab 12/1
    LD 33/1
    Grn 200/1

    (Shadsy)

    Is it remotely conceivable that the SNP won’t have most seats? What would have to happen?
    Independence.
    Yepp.
    Yeah that’s fair. It must be quite frustrating to be a Scot who desperately wants Independence but doesn’t actually agree with the SNP platform otherwise.
    Not really. The SNP is simply a tool for the Scottish nation to lever ourselves to sovereignty. Once we have achieved our goal, we will discard the old tool. (Or at least catalogue and archive the redundant artefact.)

    I will resign my membership upon independence and will thenceforth campaign vigorously against any SNP candidates. I am far from alone in that intention.
    That sounds pretty arcane to me but then I'm not a Scot. Do we give them back the Labour Party as part of the WA?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,393
    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    geoffw said:

    Stephen Kinnock - a younger and brighter Hilary Benn type - would be a good choice imo.

    He strikes me as a bit dim, tbh.

    The next successful Labour leader will be someone who has - or is willing to - rejected Corbynism: the whole Manichaean, conspiratorial us and them view of the world, everything that’s wrong is down to a few wicked people view, the bullying, misogynistic, attacking those who disagree approach to debate, the hysterical overstating of how bad everything is, the refusal to understand ordinary people’s wishes, the failure to understand the need for economic competence. Someone who can focus on priorities, come up with workable plans and drop the narcissistic self-righteousness.

  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    edited December 2019

    Len mccluskey has told us that the next leader won't be a London Remainer.

    Bet accordingly.

    but who is an outright brexiteer?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Well done tyson

    All other Labourites need to be like him, and LEARN. Until they do, they are TOSTADA
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
  • Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    Bloody Corbynistas, drowning their sorrows.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Jesus, just been listening to whatever was on on R4. Barry Gardiner came across very well. Layla Moran is a f**king moron, pedalling exactly the sort of stuff that saw them get roundly mocked this election. Oh yes, she's a domestic abuser as well. Can't see what people see in her.

    I’ve been very impressed by Barry Gardiner in this campaign, one of our best media performers. I’ve not heard any suggestion whatsoever of him being a leadership candidate though.
    Sadly he ruled out standing, can't see many moderates who would want to put their head up above the parapet and spend the next 5 years having the Maomentum tendency taking potshots at them. Especially with little realistic prospect of a 2024 majority.
    Labour will anoint a Corbynista and think that's solved that. It has no understanding of anything outside its bubble.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    Right, own up. Which one of you did this?

    https://twitter.com/BackBurgon/status/1205550317913432064



    I had vague ideas of doing something like this for Chris Williamson after last election, but Corbyn survived.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,287
    I hope NPEXMP now realises that rabid left wing policies cannot win in the UK. The electorate just will.not stand for it.. even if its dressed up in red roses...
  • Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Jesus, just been listening to whatever was on on R4. Barry Gardiner came across very well. Layla Moran is a f**king moron, pedalling exactly the sort of stuff that saw them get roundly mocked this election. Oh yes, she's a domestic abuser as well. Can't see what people see in her.

    I’ve been very impressed by Barry Gardiner in this campaign, one of our best media performers. I’ve not heard any suggestion whatsoever of him being a leadership candidate though.
    Sadly he ruled out standing, can't see many moderates who would want to put their head up above the parapet and spend the next 5 years having the Maomentum tendency taking potshots at them. Especially with little realistic prospect of a 2024 majority.
    Labour will anoint a Corbynista and think that's solved that. It has no understanding of anything outside its bubble.
    So, three terms for Boris then.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:

    Stephen Kinnock - a younger and brighter Hilary Benn type - would be a good choice imo.

    He strikes me as a bit dim, tbh.

    The next successful Labour leader will be someone who has - or is willing to - rejected Corbynism: the whole Manichaean, conspiratorial us and them view of the world, everything that’s wrong is down to a few wicked people view, the bullying, misogynistic, attacking those who disagree approach to debate, the hysterical overstating of how bad everything is, the refusal to understand ordinary people’s wishes, the failure to understand the need for economic competence. Someone who can focus on priorities, come up with workable plans and drop the narcissistic self-righteousness.
    Not to mention the anti-semitism!
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Andy_JS said:
    Pot/ kettle
  • Right, own up. Which one of you did this?

    https://twitter.com/BackBurgon/status/1205550317913432064

    I’m fairly certain that’s Guido. Please tell me that’s Guido.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
  • Did anyone else hear the king of mendacity Jim Murphy on the radio earlier today? First time I’ve heard his sinister voice in nearly five years. Lying through his teeth as usual: apparently nobody who voted SNP yesterday realised that the party stands for Scottish independence :D But true to form, he was hyping Irish reunification.

    Anyhoo, is Skeletor planning a comeback? I suspect so. But it won’t be in East Renfrewshire. Labour came a poor third there, with 12% of the vote (-14). (Murphy got 51% of the vote there at GE2010.)

    Watch yer back Richard!
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:

    Stephen Kinnock - a younger and brighter Hilary Benn type - would be a good choice imo.

    He strikes me as a bit dim, tbh.

    The next successful Labour leader will be someone who has - or is willing to - rejected Corbynism: the whole Manichaean, conspiratorial us and them view of the world, everything that’s wrong is down to a few wicked people view, the bullying, misogynistic, attacking those who disagree approach to debate, the hysterical overstating of how bad everything is, the refusal to understand ordinary people’s wishes, the failure to understand the need for economic competence. Someone who can focus on priorities, come up with workable plans and drop the narcissistic self-righteousness.

    Big ask
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060

    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
    How about a little pussy for Foxy:


  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074

    Len mccluskey has told us that the next leader won't be a London Remainer.

    Bet accordingly.

    Frankly, McCluskey needs to get off the stage. He’s been part of the problem. Unlikely to be part of the solution.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,282
    tyson said:

    nico67 said:

    Not sure Labour need weeks to decipher the election result. It’s not rocket science , next time have a better leader with a credible manifesto.

    I fear they’re going to go down the road of trying to tick the gender box and will foist either Angela Rayner or god forbid RLB onto the PLP .

    I’m not interested in an ideologically pure Labour Leader , I want someone who can win elections .

    As has been said a few times by you know who , better to have half a loaf then no loaf at all .

    I wouldn’t bracket Rayner and RLB together. I do think the latter is a continuity Corbynite candidate, whereas Rayner does give me the impression of having a bit more adaptability.

    Right now I’m feeling much like you, that first and foremost we need to get someone who can win (and I was very strongly pro-Corbyn back in 2015). But, in this changed political landscape, it’s so hard to judge who that would be. Brexit has changed everything.
    When you were strongly pro Corbyn in 2015 you obviously were not thinking of who could win in an election.....
    Yes. They are often bracketed together as they are pals - but Rayner is much more independent minded and more of a Corbynite of convenience than a true believer like McDonnell protege RLB. If Corbynistas are smart, they'll try and get RLB as chancellor on a joint ticket with Rayner, as after that defeat, putting forward a true believer on their own may even lose to a moderate and even if they won would probably blow up the party as the remnants of the PLP won't sit around waiting to be further humiliated this time. Rayner will be more pragmatic, but will at least offer them a continuation of some threads of policy and probably won't stymie their internal power with big party reforms.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Jesus, just been listening to whatever was on on R4. Barry Gardiner came across very well. Layla Moran is a f**king moron, pedalling exactly the sort of stuff that saw them get roundly mocked this election. Oh yes, she's a domestic abuser as well. Can't see what people see in her.

    I’ve been very impressed by Barry Gardiner in this campaign, one of our best media performers. I’ve not heard any suggestion whatsoever of him being a leadership candidate though.
    Sadly he ruled out standing, can't see many moderates who would want to put their head up above the parapet and spend the next 5 years having the Maomentum tendency taking potshots at them. Especially with little realistic prospect of a 2024 majority.
    Labour will anoint a Corbynista and think that's solved that. It has no understanding of anything outside its bubble.
    So, three terms for Boris then.
    Maybe Boris, but it looks like anyone but Labour unless they get their skates on now.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    edited December 2019
    geoffw said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:

    Stephen Kinnock - a younger and brighter Hilary Benn type - would be a good choice imo.

    He strikes me as a bit dim, tbh.

    The next successful Labour leader will be someone who has - or is willing to - rejected Corbynism: the whole Manichaean, conspiratorial us and them view of the world, everything that’s wrong is down to a few wicked people view, the bullying, misogynistic, attacking those who disagree approach to debate, the hysterical overstating of how bad everything is, the refusal to understand ordinary people’s wishes, the failure to understand the need for economic competence. Someone who can focus on priorities, come up with workable plans and drop the narcissistic self-righteousness.
    Not to mention the anti-semitism!
    Of course. I included it in “Manichaean” and “conspiratorial”. It flourishes amongst generally stupid people who see the world in such simplistic terms. No wonder it has been called “the socialism of fools.”
  • tyson said:

    tyson said:

    nico67 said:

    .. .

    I wouldn’t bracket Rayner and RLB together. I do think the latter is a continuity Corbynite candidate, whereas Rayner does give me the impression of having a bit more adaptability.

    Right now I’m feeling much like you, that first and foremost we need to get someone who can win (and I was very strongly pro-Corbyn back in 2015). But, in this changed political landscape, it’s so hard to judge who that would be. Brexit has changed everything.
    When you were strongly pro Corbyn in 2015 you obviously were not thinking of who could win in an election.....
    I mainly wanted a Labour Party that stood for something! Back then they couldn’t even bring themselves to vote against benefit cuts, they were so timid. Scared of the right-wing press.

    That’s certainly not the case, and the Corbyn era has also brought about a massive upsurge in membership and political engagement among younger people. And, a real electoral achievement in 2017.

    Then, things went south which was the subject of my posts earlier on this evening. Now it’s time to move on.
    Labour were heading for a shellacking in 2017 had it not been for May's atrocious campaign...

    The Corbyn era has brought in a swathe of new members who have drunk at the alter of St Jezzziah in their posturing, and fucked over the party's electoral chances...

    Quite frankly your post to want now an electable leader (ie one that can find some kind of credibility with the media and capital) after 5 years of this disastrous left wing experiment...I hope you have some sense of irony
    I might be reading you wrong, in which case I apologise. But, it sounds to me that the leader you have in mind is basically Blair mk2. Someone quite content to do the bidding of the likes of the likes of Rupert Murdoch, and keep the City of London happy and not tax the billionaires more than they absolutely have to.

    I might have indicated preparedness to compromise, but I am absolutely not in support of going back to that. It’s not even worth bothering to vote, never mind campaign, if all the parties have just the same ideas, for just a little bit of tinkering round the edges. I’d say I’m probably on the more pragmatic end of the ‘Corbyn supporter’ spectrum. Read into that what you will.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Right, own up. Which one of you did this?

    https://twitter.com/BackBurgon/status/1205550317913432064

    I’m fairly certain that’s Guido. Please tell me that’s Guido.
    Cue PB's Spartacus moment.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,393
    Cyclefree said:

    Len mccluskey has told us that the next leader won't be a London Remainer.

    Bet accordingly.

    Frankly, McCluskey needs to get off the stage. He’s been part of the problem. Unlikely to be part of the solution.
    I was quite surprised by some of his comments. Sounded remarkably Blue Labour. I agree with him that this is where we need to be, celebrating the values and culture of northern working class communities rather than sneering at them.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
  • Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    Perhaps you’re not SeanT. Sean was never very keen on morality.
  • Andy_JS said:



    I think it would have been Burnley or Redcar if a video were available. I never expected either of those to go to the Tories.


    One feature these seats have in common is that both have gone LibDem at a GE in recent years.

    Which indicates that perhaps they're not as monolithically Labour as the 'Red Wall' angle suggests. And also that they're not averse to political change locally. There likely are/were Lab seats with smaller majorities that are nevertheless much harder to convert due to lower volatility.

  • Next Scottish parliamentary general election, 6 May 2021 - Most seats

    SNP 1/8
    Con 8/1
    Lab 12/1
    LD 33/1
    Grn 200/1

    (Shadsy)

    Is it remotely conceivable that the SNP won’t have most seats? What would have to happen?
    Independence.
    Yepp.
    Yeah that’s fair. It must be quite frustrating to be a Scot who desperately wants Independence but doesn’t actually agree with the SNP platform otherwise.
    Not really. The SNP is simply a tool for the Scottish nation to lever ourselves to sovereignty. Once we have achieved our goal, we will discard the old tool. (Or at least catalogue and archive the redundant artefact.)

    I will resign my membership upon independence and will thenceforth campaign vigorously against any SNP candidates. I am far from alone in that intention.
    That sounds pretty arcane to me but then I'm not a Scot. Do we give them back the Labour Party as part of the WA?
    As arcane as Brexit killing the Brexit Party.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    I used to think that nothing would ever be as good again after Botham's Ashes, and I still do.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    edited December 2019
    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    It feels a bit like we entered a wormhole in June 2017 and ended up here with the result we expected then. The intervening two and half years didn't really happen. (The only problem with that theory is that the Tory leader changed sex).
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Andy_JS said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    It feels a bit like we entered a wormhole in June 2017 and ended up here with the result we expected then. The intervening two and half years didn't really happen.
    Agreed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
    With the exception of Swinson, that just shows how politically suicidal defecting is.

    Sturgeon and Lucas were also big #peoplesvote supporters and speakers, did rather well.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Foxy said:

    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
    How about a little pussy for Foxy:


    Not sure about the collar,
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,092
    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:

    Cyclefree said:

    geoffw said:

    Stephen Kinnock - a younger and brighter Hilary Benn type - would be a good choice imo.

    He strikes me as a bit dim, tbh.

    The next successful Labour leader will be someone who has - or is willing to - rejected Corbynism: the whole Manichaean, conspiratorial us and them view of the world, everything that’s wrong is down to a few wicked people view, the bullying, misogynistic, attacking those who disagree approach to debate, the hysterical overstating of how bad everything is, the refusal to understand ordinary people’s wishes, the failure to understand the need for economic competence. Someone who can focus on priorities, come up with workable plans and drop the narcissistic self-righteousness.
    Not to mention the anti-semitism!
    Of course. I included it in “Manichaean” and “conspiratorial”. It flourishes amongst generally stupid people who see the world in such simplistic terms. No wonder it has been called “the socialism of fools.”
    Ah.

  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Cyclefree said:

    Len mccluskey has told us that the next leader won't be a London Remainer.

    Bet accordingly.

    Frankly, McCluskey needs to get off the stage. He’s been part of the problem. Unlikely to be part of the solution.
    Another big ask I'm afraid
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,688
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
    Trying to gainsay a referendum isn't wise.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    edited December 2019
    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Foxy said:

    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
    How about a little pussy for Foxy:


    I've found the foxiest MP - surely? Step forward Fay Jones. Unless you know better....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766203
  • In terms of Northern Ireland parties, I think it's onwards and upwards for The Alliance Party and SDLP can only grow their vote share. I think those DUP safe seats are no longer safe.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
    Hurrah and double hurrah
  • In terms of Northern Ireland parties, I think it's onwards and upwards for The Alliance Party and SDLP can only grow their vote share. I think those DUP safe seats are no longer safe.

    How do you rate the chances of Irish reunification within the next 10 years?

    (Many thanks for your NI posts, especially your comprehensive, and objective, analysis early on in the campaign.)
  • Gabs3 said:



    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.

    Hurrah and double hurrah

    I asked if there was a betting market on none of the defectors winning, but it was 'too complicated' to decide who to include apparently.

    Wonder what the price would've been on that lot?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Next Scottish parliamentary general election, 6 May 2021 - Most seats

    SNP 1/8
    Con 8/1
    Lab 12/1
    LD 33/1
    Grn 200/1

    (Shadsy)

    Is it remotely conceivable that the SNP won’t have most seats? What would have to happen?
    Independence.
    Yepp.
    Yeah that’s fair. It must be quite frustrating to be a Scot who desperately wants Independence but doesn’t actually agree with the SNP platform otherwise.
    Not really. The SNP is simply a tool for the Scottish nation to lever ourselves to sovereignty. Once we have achieved our goal, we will discard the old tool. (Or at least catalogue and archive the redundant artefact.)

    I will resign my membership upon independence and will thenceforth campaign vigorously against any SNP candidates. I am far from alone in that intention.
    That sounds pretty arcane to me but then I'm not a Scot. Do we give them back the Labour Party as part of the WA?
    As arcane as Brexit killing the Brexit Party.
    I think it was suicide
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Foxy said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
    With the exception of Swinson, that just shows how politically suicidal defecting is.

    Sturgeon and Lucas were also big #peoplesvote supporters and speakers, did rather well.
    Didn't change sides.
  • Jason said:

    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

    I notice Dan Jarvis getting back in Barnsley Central. Wasn't he the future once?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    Jason said:

    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

    Lisa Nandy is quite impressive IMO.
  • Next Scottish parliamentary general election, 6 May 2021 - Most seats

    SNP 1/8
    Con 8/1
    Lab 12/1
    LD 33/1
    Grn 200/1

    (Shadsy)

    Is it remotely conceivable that the SNP won’t have most seats? What would have to happen?
    Independence.
    Yepp.
    Yeah that’s fair. It must be quite frustrating to be a Scot who desperately wants Independence but doesn’t actually agree with the SNP platform otherwise.
    Not really. The SNP is simply a tool for the Scottish nation to lever ourselves to sovereignty. Once we have achieved our goal, we will discard the old tool. (Or at least catalogue and archive the redundant artefact.)

    I will resign my membership upon independence and will thenceforth campaign vigorously against any SNP candidates. I am far from alone in that intention.
    That sounds pretty arcane to me but then I'm not a Scot. Do we give them back the Labour Party as part of the WA?
    As arcane as Brexit killing the Brexit Party.
    I think it was suicide
    We’ve finally found the common denominator between Jo Swinson, Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbyn.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    edited December 2019
    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most is the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
    Agree about Flint, but not Swinson. That shrill speech she gave today was full of bitterness and self pity. Not a single ounce of contrition. Bit like Corbyn.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Jason said:
    This is what that classy Labour supporter said about people from Dudley and Wolverhampton

    https://twitter.com/khaliistan_1984/status/1205465776943255553
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Jason said:

    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

    Perhaps they could transfer in Swinson
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060
    edited December 2019

    Foxy said:

    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
    How about a little pussy for Foxy:


    Not sure about the collar,
    It came attached. Our old cat faded away this autumn, the place seemed a bit empty, so here he is.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
    Fuck them.

    Fuck the fucking lot of the fuckers.

  • tyson said:

    tyson said:

    nico67 said:

    .. .

    I wouldn’t bracket Rayner and RLB together. I do think the latter is a continuity Corbynite candidate, whereas Rayner does give me the impression of having a bit more adaptability.

    Right now I’m feeling much like you, that first and foremost we need to get someone who can win (and I was very strongly pro-Corbyn back in 2015). But, in this changed political landscape, it’s so hard to judge who that would be. Brexit has changed everything.
    When you were strongly pro Corbyn in 2015 you obviously were not thinking of who could win in an election.....
    I mainly wanted a Labour Party that stood for something! Back then they couldn’t even bring themselves to vote against benefit cuts, they were so timid. Scared of the right-wing press.

    That’s certainly not the case, and the Corbyn era has also brought about a massive upsurge in membership and political engagement among younger people. And, a real electoral achievement in 2017.

    Then, things went south which was the subject of my posts earlier on this evening. Now it’s time to move on.
    Labour were heading for a shellacking in 2017 had it not been for May's atrocious campaign...

    The Corbyn era has brought in a swathe of new members who have drunk at the alter of St Jezzziah in their posturing, and fucked over the party's electoral chances...

    Quite frankly your post to want now an electable leader (ie one that can find some kind of credibility with the media and capital) after 5 years of this disastrous left wing experiment...I hope you have some sense of irony
    I might be reading you wrong, in which case I apologise. But, it sounds to me that the leader you have in mind is basically Blair mk2. Someone quite content to do the bidding of the likes of the likes of Rupert Murdoch, and keep the City of London happy and not tax the billionaires more than they absolutely have to.

    I might have indicated preparedness to compromise, but I am absolutely not in support of going back to that. It’s not even worth bothering to vote, never mind campaign, if all the parties have just the same ideas, for just a little bit of tinkering round the edges. I’d say I’m probably on the more pragmatic end of the ‘Corbyn supporter’ spectrum. Read into that what you will.
    Blair is the only Labour leader to win a decent majority in my lifetime, and I’m so old I did O-levels.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Andy_JS said:

    Jason said:

    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

    Lisa Nandy is quite impressive IMO.
    Can you see her as a future PM though? No chance IMO. There is nobody on the Labour side who fits that description. Boris takes the mantle that Tony Blair did - he'll be the only game in town for many years.

    The only person who can defeat him is himself.
  • Jason said:

    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

    Ian Murray is quite good, but as some wit said earlier, if he became Leader he’d have to actually mention the word “Labour” in his election literature :D
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited December 2019
    Good gag on C4 the last leg...

    “The exit poll was so shocking, Prince Andrew stopped sweating again.”
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    Totally right.

    I went to a Remainery Xmas lunch of journalists, painters, artists, etc, today

    Early on, one woman confided in me (presuming that I agreed with her Remainerry outlook) that Boris won the vote because his voters, the poor white English, are "just stupid". She sniggered at me, looking for agreement.

    I told her to fuck off (in terms) and go and talk to someone else.

    These people are detestable snobs. They need to be defeated time and again. They need to be expelled from politics.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,730
    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    The big impact that hasn't been talked about is the massacre of the People's Voters. Grieve, Berger, Soubry, Gyimah, Swinson, Umunna, Wollaston, Lee, Gauke. Every prominent figure associated with that campaign was wiped out.
    Absolutely beautiful.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    Jason said:

    I cannot see any current Labour MP beating Boris at the next election. Not by a long chalk. And this talk of Jess Phillips being leadership material makes me chuckle. She would crash Labour to sub 100 seats. Starmer is a personality free zone with the charisma of a toilet roll. RLB is Corbyn with 2 'X' chromosomes. Dawn Butler would sink like a lead balloon outside of London.

    Can anyone honestly and genuinely point at a Labour MP and say 'yup, there's a potential future PM'?

    Actually, the most impressive Labour MP I have seen post catastrophe was Wes Streeting - but we all know he would never get the votes.

    Labour are stuck with the membership they have forever. They're screwed, and they know it.

    Perhaps they could transfer in Swinson
    Grieve isn't doing much now....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Oh another classic - he seems a bit unhinged

    https://twitter.com/khaliistan_1984/status/1205247744488681472
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Next Scottish parliamentary general election, 6 May 2021 - Most seats

    SNP 1/8
    Con 8/1
    Lab 12/1
    LD 33/1
    Grn 200/1

    (Shadsy)

    Is it remotely conceivable that the SNP won’t have most seats? What would have to happen?
    Independence.
    Yepp.
    Yeah that’s fair. It must be quite frustrating to be a Scot who desperately wants Independence but doesn’t actually agree with the SNP platform otherwise.
    Not really. The SNP is simply a tool for the Scottish nation to lever ourselves to sovereignty. Once we have achieved our goal, we will discard the old tool. (Or at least catalogue and archive the redundant artefact.)

    I will resign my membership upon independence and will thenceforth campaign vigorously against any SNP candidates. I am far from alone in that intention.
    That sounds pretty arcane to me but then I'm not a Scot. Do we give them back the Labour Party as part of the WA?
    As arcane as Brexit killing the Brexit Party.
    I think it was suicide
    We’ve finally found the common denominator between Jo Swinson, Nigel Farage and Jeremy Corbyn.
    With Jo and Jeremy it was accidental so not technically suicide, with Nigel? He is saying it was wittingly performed and he does still live to fight another day if he chooses. I think that's just about right, so I disagree: no common denominator.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060
    Jason said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
    Agree about Flint, but not Swinson. That shrill speech she gave today was full of bitterness and self pity. Not a single ounce of contrition. Bit like Corbyn.
    Her life's work had just collapsed, have some compassion. For all her faults she genuinely believes in what she advocates. There is little place for raw honesty in modern politics.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    Has anyone seen the Horse Battery guy? I hope he's bearing up okay. (Not being sarcastic).
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Foxy said:

    Jason said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
    Agree about Flint, but not Swinson. That shrill speech she gave today was full of bitterness and self pity. Not a single ounce of contrition. Bit like Corbyn.
    Her life's work had just collapsed, have some compassion. For all her faults she genuinely believes in what she advocates. There is little place for raw honesty in modern politics.
    Swinson must be devastated. You have to feel for her.
  • Flint and Swinson going is the silver lining!
  • Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone seen the Horse Battery guy? I hope he's bearing up okay. (Not being sarcastic).

    He's with Owen Jones, weeping.

    After a long period of mourning, perhaps they will read 'The Unfinished Revolution' and realise we have been here before.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most is the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    I don't know how you manage to keep a straight face. I'm assuming you do, for the craic.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    Totally right.

    I went to a Remainery Xmas lunch of journalists, painters, artists, etc, today

    Early on, one woman confided in me (presuming that I agreed with her Remainerry outlook) that Boris won the vote because his voters, the poor white English, are "just stupid". She sniggered at me, looking for agreement.

    I told her to fuck off (in terms) and go and talk to someone else.

    These people are detestable snobs. They need to be defeated time and again. They need to be expelled from politics.
    My missus' family are mainly Labour (her sister is a Corbynista), I remember how they abused her when she mentioned voting Tory. Yes, her own family abused her. It took me all my willpower and strength not to do something stupid I was so disgusted.

    Not heard a fucking peep from any of them recently, and my missus made me promise not to goad them, so I won't. But boy I would fucking LOVE to.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most is the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    Working class idiots and billionaires are strange bedfellows.
  • Jason said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
    Agree about Flint, but not Swinson. That shrill speech she gave today was full of bitterness and self pity. Not a single ounce of contrition. Bit like Corbyn.
    Swinson’s interminable whining speech earlier today was a great illustration for why she bombed. Absolutely zero self-awareness. Being bitter and resentful is not a good look for losers.

    A SLab spokeswoman (missed the name) was on a similar path on the radio in the middle of the night: she sounded absolutely dreadful. Bursting with pure hatred and spite for her opponents.
  • Jonathan said:

    Good gag on C4 the last leg...

    “The exit poll was so shocking, Prince Andrew stopped sweating again.”

    Can you type out the good gag too?
  • Finally seen the Alan Johnson clip. Wow. "Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag"
  • Well, the Conservatives’ wholly undeserved success was dismal last night and the triumphalism of their supporters tonight is still less edifying. Enjoy your moment. Meanwhile, the country is going up shit creek.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Foxy said:



    Foxy said:

    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
    How about a little pussy for Foxy:


    Not sure about the collar,
    It came attached. Our old cat faded away this autumn, the place seemed a bit empty, so here he is.
    Is it not removable?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone seen the Horse Battery guy? I hope he's bearing up okay. (Not being sarcastic).

    He dropped by at breakfast time as promised.

    I note that a number of new partisan posters disappeared at 2200 last night.
  • Andy_JS said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most is the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    Working class idiots and billionaires are strange bedfellows.
    Somewhere on the newly elected Lab back bench there is a young Blair.

    Or maybe elected in 2024.
  • Well, the Conservatives’ wholly undeserved success was dismal last night and the triumphalism of their supporters tonight is still less edifying. Enjoy your moment. Meanwhile, the country is going up shit creek.

    Yeah, the surge in the pound and the FTSE 250 shows we are heading for disaster...
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    Andy_JS said:

    Has anyone seen the Horse Battery guy? I hope he's bearing up okay. (Not being sarcastic).

    He was here in the morning thread, talking about joining Labour so he can help shift it back to the centre left.

    I like him, he's thoughtful and presents views from the other side in a non-confrontational way.

    Compare and contrast that to the person I've been friends with for a decade posting on social media "IF YOU ARE A TORY" (yes in caps) "F*** OFF AND UNFRIEND ME NOW YOU ****" last night.

    The post below that in my feed was from another friend who didn't understand why Corbyn had lost when they had seen "literally no-one" post anything in support of the Conservatives. The mind truly boggles.

    I reckon it's about 1983 right now. Which means it's at least another decade before a Blair figure emerges. Who knows. Could even be CHB! Let's face it, the Labour Party could easily do a lot worse.
  • handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    edited December 2019

    tyson said:

    tyson said:

    nico67 said:

    .. .

    ...
    ....
    Labour were heading for a shellacking in 2017 had it not been for May's atrocious campaign...

    The Corbyn era has brought in a swathe of new members who have drunk at the alter of St Jezzziah in their posturing, and fucked over the party's electoral chances...

    Quite frankly your post to want now an electable leader (ie one that can find some kind of credibility with the media and capital) after 5 years of this disastrous left wing experiment...I hope you have some sense of irony
    I might be reading you wrong, in which case I apologise. But, it sounds to me that the leader you have in mind is basically Blair mk2. Someone quite content to do the bidding of the likes of the likes of Rupert Murdoch, and keep the City of London happy and not tax the billionaires more than they absolutely have to.

    I might have indicated preparedness to compromise, but I am absolutely not in support of going back to that. It’s not even worth bothering to vote, never mind campaign, if all the parties have just the same ideas, for just a little bit of tinkering round the edges. I’d say I’m probably on the more pragmatic end of the ‘Corbyn supporter’ spectrum. Read into that what you will.
    Blair is the only Labour leader to win a decent majority in my lifetime, and I’m so old I did O-levels.
    It’s as though it’s a football match, and what matters is *winning* and beating the other lot.

    I’m not saying Blair didn’t do any good, but that government didn’t change the country for the better. The richest 1% continued pulling away from the rest, and terrible policies like PFI and AtoS assessments were pursued.

    And then there was Iraq.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Jonathan said:

    Foxy said:

    Jason said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
    Agree about Flint, but not Swinson. That shrill speech she gave today was full of bitterness and self pity. Not a single ounce of contrition. Bit like Corbyn.
    Her life's work had just collapsed, have some compassion. For all her faults she genuinely believes in what she advocates. There is little place for raw honesty in modern politics.
    Swinson must be devastated. You have to feel for her.
    A string of bad calls. Somebody with more experience wouldn't have made them. Vince should have stepped down after 2017 and allowed someone else to take over - Swinson would not have been a candidate.

    Losing her seat was always a real concern.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    edited December 2019
    Jason said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness, no election victory has ever delighted me more.

    In one go: we got Brexit finally sorted, we delivered five years of good Tory government, and, most of all, we utterly wiped out a vile, evil, anti-Semitic, neo-Marxist opposition

    It is GLORIOUS. Morally right and emotionally climactic. This is the political version of Flintoff's Ashes: politics will never be this good again.

    But, just once in my life, it WAS this good.
    What I am enjoying most the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    Totally right.

    I went to a Remainery Xmas lunch of journalists, painters, artists, etc, today

    Early on, one woman confided in me (presuming that I agreed with her Remainerry outlook) that Boris won the vote because his voters, the poor white English, are "just stupid". She sniggered at me, looking for agreement.

    I told her to fuck off (in terms) and go and talk to someone else.

    These people are detestable snobs. They need to be defeated time and again. They need to be expelled from politics.
    My missus' family are mainly Labour (her sister is a Corbynista), I remember how they abused her when she mentioned voting Tory. Yes, her own family abused her. It took me all my willpower and strength not to do something stupid I was so disgusted.

    Not heard a fucking peep from any of them recently, and my missus made me promise not to goad them, so I won't. But boy I would fucking LOVE to.

    How could you wed a Tory? Jesus...having to wake up every morning and stare into the face of a fucking Tory...like Groundhog Day, but more evil
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060

    Foxy said:



    Foxy said:

    Jason said:
    I didn't realise PB had a Readers' Wives page.
    How about a little pussy for Foxy:


    Not sure about the collar,
    It came attached. Our old cat faded away this autumn, the place seemed a bit empty, so here he is.
    Is it not removable?
    Not until he is microchipped. It doesn't seem to bother the little fella.
  • Well, the Conservatives’ wholly undeserved success was dismal last night and the triumphalism of their supporters tonight is still less edifying. Enjoy your moment. Meanwhile, the country is going up shit creek.

    Yeah, the surge in the pound and the FTSE 250 shows we are heading for disaster...
    Leavers have spent the time since the referendum earnestly arguing how good a low pound is for the economy. Make your minds up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    edited December 2019
    Labour lost Gordon Brown's old seat in Kirkcaldy to an SNP candidate who'd been suspended for allegedly making anti-semitic comments on social media.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50770830
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited December 2019

    Well, the Conservatives’ wholly undeserved success was dismal last night and the triumphalism of their supporters tonight is still less edifying. Enjoy your moment. Meanwhile, the country is going up shit creek.

    Im sure it will last longer than a day, but bemoaning a party's supporters being triumphant literally one day after a landslide win for that party is just plain stupid. The country is on a very tricky precipice and I think they cannot handle it well, but whinging about triumphalism within 24 hrs of the win? Pathetic. I think one day of celebration can be bared before we get on a high horse.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    tyson said:

    How could you wed a Tory? Jesus...having to wake up every morning and stare into the face of a fucking Tory...like Groundhog Day, but more evil

    But evil is so damned SEXY.....
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Well, the Conservatives’ wholly undeserved success was dismal last night and the triumphalism of their supporters tonight is still less edifying. Enjoy your moment. Meanwhile, the country is going up shit creek.

    We won, you didn't.

    It's SO satisfying
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    edited December 2019
    Floater said:

    Oh another classic - he seems a bit unhinged

    https://twitter.com/khaliistan_1984/status/1205247744488681472

    He's just trying to out-Malky Malky
  • Byronic said:

    Well, the Conservatives’ wholly undeserved success was dismal last night and the triumphalism of their supporters tonight is still less edifying. Enjoy your moment. Meanwhile, the country is going up shit creek.

    We won, you didn't.

    It's SO satisfying
    That warm feeling you have is from having pissed yourself.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,060
    tyson said:

    Jason said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Byronic said:

    I've drunk FIVE bottles of vintage champagne

    No, SIX

    SEVEN

    If only the great SeanT were still here you could challenge him to a drinking contest. He was a truly legendary drinker, but I feel he has nothing on you.
    In all seriousness,
    What I am enjoying most the reaction from my friends.

    I'm quiet in real life. I keep my politics to myself. It's sort of like your wedding tackle. You just don't get it out at family gatherings or wave it round in the pub.

    So people talk to me. And they assume I'm one of them. I just listen silently and nod.

    And they tell me how they're devastated. How they didn't see it coming. How the Tories are all evil and everyone who votes for them is evil too.

    They are shell shocked.

    They just don't see it. They blame the working class. "Idiots". They blame the media. "Billionaires". They never stop for a moment's introspection to wonder why they lost.

    It is utter derangement and it makes me feel as if they will double down in 2024. The lack of self awareness is extraordinary. I think it may be a very long time before a Blair figure emerges. A very long time indeed.
    Totally right.

    I went to a Remainery Xmas lunch of journalists, painters, artists, etc, today

    Early on, one woman confided in me (presuming that I agreed with her Remainerry outlook) that Boris won the vote because his voters, the poor white English, are "just stupid". She sniggered at me, looking for agreement.

    I told her to fuck off (in terms) and go and talk to someone else.

    These people are detestable snobs. They need to be defeated time and again. They need to be expelled from politics.
    My missus' family are mainly Labour (her sister is a Corbynista), I remember how they abused her when she mentioned voting Tory. Yes, her own family abused her. It took me all my willpower and strength not to do something stupid I was so disgusted.

    Not heard a fucking peep from any of them recently, and my missus made me promise not to goad them, so I won't. But boy I would fucking LOVE to.

    How could you wed a Tory? Jesus...having to wake up every morning and stare into the face of a fucking Tory...like Groundhog Day, but more evil
    Clem Attlee married a Tory. They seemed very happy together.
  • The depths of Corbyn's achievement becomes more exposed as the hours from the poll pass.

    What a total and utter disaster he has been for Labour.

    I hope all those Lab activists who voted twice can live with themselves.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Jason said:

    Gabs3 said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I'm still high from last night. What a result.

    SORTED

    Sure you don't want to start worrying that 70 election courts might overrule the result?
    Heh

    Hehehehehehehehe

    If I had to select downsides to this election, the defeats of Caroline Flint and Jo Swinson would be in there.

    Two good women, the second was unlucky, the first, Flint, was absolutely undeserving. They are a loss.

    But on the whole...

    Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
    Caroline Flint was the only MP I could see as capable of winning back the North for Labour.
    Agree about Flint, but not Swinson. That shrill speech she gave today was full of bitterness and self pity. Not a single ounce of contrition. Bit like Corbyn.
    Swinson’s interminable whining speech earlier today was a great illustration for why she bombed. Absolutely zero self-awareness. Being bitter and resentful is not a good look for losers.

    A SLab spokeswoman (missed the name) was on a similar path on the radio in the middle of the night: she sounded absolutely dreadful. Bursting with pure hatred and spite for her opponents.
    Couldn't agree more. I thought her speech today was puerile, embittered, incredibly selfish, and somewhat deluded. She has done her level best to undo a democratic mandate then has the brass neck to describe herself off as a liberal and a democrat - which she is clearly neither. A richly deserved humiliation IMO.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    tyson said:

    How could you wed a Tory? Jesus...having to wake up every morning and stare into the face of a fucking Tory...like Groundhog Day, but more evil

    But evil is so damned SEXY.....

    'No one has ever had a fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal'
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