The former Labour MP for Lincoln shared some sage advice for her successor last night, in two now-deleted tweets. Karen Lee, who served as the city’s MP until 2019, suggested organising a ‘two-hour public engagement event’ in ‘a public venue with a large capacity’, for local people to gather together in one room and hear from local authorities.
Maybe she is going through the "Herd Immunity" phase of politics? She is about a week behind the govt. I think many of the General Public are about a week ahead of the govt.
Is Simon Calder still advising everybody to take advantage of some really good bargains for travel?
Simon who?
I have seen many shops / businesses that have stayed open asking people to queue outside and come in in ones or twos when called. People are doing it. No panic, no scraps in the street, etc. just lining up and keeping apart from others in the line.
Even in the supermarket, there is calm. People are preparing for the lockdown by buying dried goods and how can you blame them? The politicians can dither all they want about yes there should or no there should not be a lockdown, but everyone I meet assumes it is on the way and are prepping for it.
Trump's going to send everyone a $1000 cheque with his face on it every month while the democrats um and err about means testing
I'm worried.
We had a recent Header opining that Trump would have won if not for the virus but was now going to lose.
I hold the opposite view. I think he was heading for defeat but this crisis gives him a good chance of winning. "War leader" and all that bollox.
I haven't really thought much about Trump's chances lately, but this is a political betting site after all.... I'm guessing you bet against him a month or so ago and stand to guarantee* yourself a nice sum by betting on him now?
Trump's going to send everyone a $1000 cheque with his face on it every month while the democrats um and err about means testing
I'm worried.
We had a recent Header opining that Trump would have won if not for the virus but was now going to lose.
I hold the opposite view. I think he was heading for defeat but this crisis gives him a good chance of winning. "War leader" and all that bollox.
The Republican Senators selling their stock based on private advice while simultaneously saying there was nothing to worry about is going to be a huge thing.
Also the effect of anchoring, people remembering only the first thing they were told, means that a huge amount of Trump's base still think there is nothing to worry about and are in for a shock despite the state propaganda channel (Fox) changing its messaging.
Around 1.4 million vulnerable people in Britain will be told to self-isolate on Monday during the coronavirus outbreak, as the UK death toll hits 144.
Speaking today, Health Secretary Matt Hancock revealed that Brits classed as vulnerable will be contacted by the NHS and told what specific actions they need to take to protect themselves from the killer virus.
Mate Hancock, mate, already doing that mate. Worked out that partner coming out of ICU for respiratory problems that have not recovered 5 months later probably shouldn't be wandering down to the pub.
I don't envy those giving Jezza and Stanley a call to tell them to isolate.
The Health Minister said the government will have to employ 'draconian measures' - police and army social distancing enforcement - as they've done in Europe, if the public continues to go out and socialise while officials try to squash the spread of coronavirus.
Its coming isn't it...
Well, if people won't do the necessary without it being mandatory.
We have seen on this forum that some people will be selfish and just do what they want
There's utter exasperation among teachers about the way the schools closure is being handled:
"This is how the government runs things...
Announce that all schools are closing but announce that some children - no-one knows who - will be still going to some school or another, in two days time.
Omit to tell anyone WHO that applies to then leave the announcement until the following day. Promise the information on that day.
Break their promise almost immediately - just about the only thing they've done in a timely fashion - and release it early in the morning on the day the school is closing!
We are now having a remote SLT meeting that started at 5:30 in the morning."
This after weeks of saying that schools wouldn't need to be closed for various bizarre reasons (children might not be major vectors; we need to develop herd-immunity). It's clear that, during those weeks, the government did not plan what any eventual closure would look like.
Unfortunately, with our partisan politics, generic Tory-bashing doesn't get distinguished from misdeeds which should make everyone furious.
We desperately need competence at the top.
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Two months ago China was in the infant stages of considering a lockdown. One month ago, it was just becoming apparent that Italy had a localised cluster. The general contingency playbook that the government expected to deploy for a normal pandemic has been ripped up by this. I want the government to fill the gaps in an appropriate order and at pace, but I think the total avoidance of any confusion is a high bar to set in the circumstances.
Erm sorry but don't patronise me about confusion being a high bar to avoid or about the timelines of this pandemic. I have been following it in REAL TIME since the first week in January.
Do you think closing down all schools and exams with two days notice and NO PLANNING is acceptable? Do you think having a list of key workers that schools should be accommodating for, without them being first defined, is acceptable?
There will always be an excuse but over time they will look increasingly laughable.
The truth of the matter is that the government has been asleep at the wheel. The pandemic plan wasn't fit for purpose, each and every step they take is a half-way house that is the worst of all worlds. They have failed to prepare, delayed and prevaricated and have now dumped a load of shite on the heads of every person in the country through their ineptitude.
You might not realise it yet but you will soon.
In the space of less than a week we've had people go from confidently telling us that closing the schools would be a terrible grave error as confirmed by the experts to saying there was nothing else to do but close the schools. In less than seven days.
Nothing in this pandemic has moved that fast to require that level of turn around.
Yes because the government did the biggest U-turn that any government in peace time has done before.
But given there was broadly two strategies (mitigate and suppression) with some quite overlapping policy interventions between them. Would any sane government not do a considerable amount of work preparing for both strategies?
We have had all the advantages of watching and observing the Chinese, the Koreans, the Japanese, the Italians, the Spanish. Yet here we are with our hands in the air saying, 'who could have predicted it?'
Well anyone with a working brain could have predicted it if they had chosen to step out from their normalcy bias.
The schools policy will unravel in about two weeks when people observe schools being 2/3rds full.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Avoidance of any confusion would indeed be an unreasonably high bar to set, but nobody has set such a bar as far as I know.
A reasonable bar to set would be that, as closing schools became a serious option in other countries, they set about making a plan for how school closures would be implemented in the UK if necessary.
Yes, I support Labour but I'm really not bashing the government for the sake of it. Before the "herd-immunity" line came out last week, I was defending the UK government's approach on this issue in conversations with friends and relatives in Ireland. But since then, their lack of preparation has been brutally exposed.
Similar.
This is a national emergency and so my inclination is to support the government. Con v Lab seems trivial atm.
But it does seem to me, based on the evidence available, that they were asleep at the wheel. They have woken up now and I only hope it is not too late for London to avoid becoming Northern Italy by about Easter time.
The Health Minister said the government will have to employ 'draconian measures' - police and army social distancing enforcement - as they've done in Europe, if the public continues to go out and socialise while officials try to squash the spread of coronavirus.
Its coming isn't it...
But see this about Iran - seriously a whole nation going for the Darwin award
Appeals by the Iranian government for the nation to stay at home at the start of Iranian new year have been widely ignored with more than 1.2m taking to the roads, according to the Iranian police.
Northern towns on the Caspian coast, one of the main holiday destinations, reported tens of thousands of cars trying to reach them.
Latest figures published Friday showed Iran now has 19,644 cases of infection and 1,433 deaths. New infections in the past 24 hours was 1,237 and the number of new deaths 149.
The number of new infections is a record for a single day, and the number of deaths, the same as the day before.
Every layer of Iranian society, clerical army and national, as well as local government, had urged Iranians to stay at home at New Year, a time when Iranians traditionally travel to see friends and family and celebrate the coming of Spring.
Authorities in Mashad, Iran’s second most populous city, and the capital of Khorasan-e Razavi province in the North West said traffic was only 2 % down on the previous year, despite calls by city councillors for people to stay away.
The Health Minister said the government will have to employ 'draconian measures' - police and army social distancing enforcement - as they've done in Europe, if the public continues to go out and socialise while officials try to squash the spread of coronavirus.
Its coming isn't it...
Do we have the army and police to do it?
I fear not. Only when the bodies start piling up will the public start changing.
As I have said the whole time, ignorance and selfishness will be our downfall.
The Health Minister said the government will have to employ 'draconian measures' - police and army social distancing enforcement - as they've done in Europe, if the public continues to go out and socialise while officials try to squash the spread of coronavirus.
Its coming isn't it...
Do we have the army and police to do it?
I fear not. Only when the bodies start piling up will the public start changing.
As I have said the whole time, ignorance and selfishness will be our downfall.
I just understand, if that's their view, then why are the pubs, cafes and bars still open?
If they want people to stop socialising thats the place to start.
If someone has to away from all social contact, how do they get deliveries of food if delivery slots are booked up 3 weeks in advance? How do those needing washing and lifting in and out of bed etc avoid all social contact?
I wish the government would think through some of the practicalities and engage brain before opening mouth.
There should be extra capacity coming alongside - eg Morrisons are hiring 3k+ new people. That *could* be reserved.
Or most will have friends and neighbours etc.
Despite being quite isolated for the last few years as a part time carer until Christmas, then ill for weeks, I already have several offers.
Or some are already geared up - I readjusted all my quarterly orders 2-3 weeks ago, so the actual number may be less. I will struggle mainly for milk and fresh veg.
Personally, I think it may also calm down a little once the panic-shoppers realise that there is no shortage.
More difficult for people people really urbanised or really ruralised, perhaps - but there are still things like farm shops in many places which are less heavily trafficked therefore less risky.
1.4 million seems quite a low number - that looks like the core of the core, cancer patients, organ transplants etc. It may have Type I diabetics in it (400k), but certainly not Type IIs - unless it is people who have been operated on for complications.
Problem we are finding is that because we have never needed to use a delivery service from a supermarket up to now none of them seem to be taking on new customers and if we do find one they probably won't give us a slot till the middle of April! So although we are 70 (just) we are still nipping into shops early and getting what we need. We don't have young relatives nearby to do it for us and our neighbours are pretty much of a similar age.
Then just do this. There is going to be a lot of enforced breaking of any lockdown. Unless the government expects people to die at home starving, people are going to have to go out to get basics.
But at the moment, this is merely strongly advisory, so I DO think the government understands this.
We were chattering about an 'isolation' PB Gardening Clinic earlier, and @Cyclefree has kindly agreed to give opinions / advice.
This is the garden I have to take in hand, and I hope to have some questions for comment to post over a number of days, and perhaps debate during this interesting perio.
The garden has about 5 years of development - that 10-12ft clump of bamboo was planted by my relative as a single plant.
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
The Republican Senators selling their stock based on private advice while simultaneously saying there was nothing to worry about is going to be a huge thing.
Also the effect of anchoring, people remembering only the first thing they were told, means that a huge amount of Trump's base still think there is nothing to worry about and are in for a shock despite the state propaganda channel (Fox) changing its messaging.
Hope so. I still think he's toast but I'm not quite as confident of it as I was before the virus.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The former Labour MP for Lincoln shared some sage advice for her successor last night, in two now-deleted tweets. Karen Lee, who served as the city’s MP until 2019, suggested organising a ‘two-hour public engagement event’ in ‘a public venue with a large capacity’, for local people to gather together in one room and hear from local authorities.
Maybe she is going through the "Herd Immunity" phase of politics? She is about a week behind the govt. I think many of the General Public are about a week ahead of the govt.
Is Simon Calder still advising everybody to take advantage of some really good bargains for travel?
Simon who?
I have seen many shops / businesses that have stayed open asking people to queue outside and come in in ones or twos when called. People are doing it. No panic, no scraps in the street, etc. just lining up and keeping apart from others in the line.
Even in the supermarket, there is calm. People are preparing for the lockdown by buying dried goods and how can you blame them? The politicians can dither all they want about yes there should or no there should not be a lockdown, but everyone I meet assumes it is on the way and are prepping for it.
This depends on where you go. In a number of poorer areas where people are more disproportionately served by supermarkets there is more worry at the moment. Afflluent areas seem less troubled so far.
Utilities, communication and financial services staff, including postal workers and waste disposal workers
Financial services staff ?????
Basic banking?
It's all online, you can even scan cheques on your phone these days. I'm sure the bosses of those hideous call centres that try and sell us 90 different energy packages over the phone at the office will all be telling their staff that they're all under "communication" and keep their kids going to the local school.
Utilities, communication and financial services staff, including postal workers and waste disposal workers
Financial services staff ?????
Basic banking?
It's all online, you can even scan cheques on your phone these days. I'm sure the bosses of those hideous call centres that try and sell us 90 different energy packages over the phone at the office will all be telling their staff that they're all under "communication" and keep their kids going to the local school.
My laptop is constantly being logged out of PB this morning. It’s frustrating.
Anyway the key, as I and many others have been saying on here is to keep the income flowing and as many jobs as possible intact until the virus is over. Boris reckons we are 12 weeks from that. It should be possible for the government to pay everyone’s wages for that long. They are already paying the 40% in the public sector. They need to keep the tax base for the recovery.
At the moment even those who are still paid are not spending. Restaurants, hotels, holidays, cars, cinema, home improvements, nothing is going to happen until we can move about freely and without fear. But we will need all of those things in due course. More than ever in many cases.
Boris' 12 week reckoning didn't make it to the end of the news conference.
Boris has sensibly left the heavy lifting to the experts, perhaps he should engage an expert communicator to run the press conferences.
"12 weeks" could mean: - 12 weeks to the peak (with however many extra weeks or months until its subsided enough to take down measures) - 12 weeks to the first peak, with however many cycles of on-and-off again needed to keep the figures down until we get a vaccine (median expectation 18 months; have seen people talking about as little as six months which would be great) - - 12 weeks until it's all over, tea and medals for all.
Sadly, although I think it's the feeling he wanted to give, the latter could well be least likely. Regardless, after three months of shutdown of the hospitality and airline sectors, they wouldn't be coming back unchanged. And those working in those sectors face a hellish time of uncertainty, regardless.
So, yes - he absolutely needs to do something for them.
on those subsequent peaks we arent using anything like the ICU capacity of the first. so couldnt you shorten the lockdown phases and extend the liberty phases to limit the financial damage. yes more people would get infected and more die but hopefully there will still be an ICU bed to give them the best chance.
The locking down and releasing are expected to be threshold based. I would hope accine development, given there has never been such impetus before to get something out there, is nearer 12 than 18 months. There will be a lower limit to the vaccine before you get to the '9 women can produce a baby in a month' logic. One also hopes, within the 12 months, that some of the hasty medical.trials - anti-virals, zincs etc. etc. give results good enough to keep some people out of ICU beds who might have otherwise needed them, and we may not need 12 months for that, treatment may be able to change the course of the second / third waves. The fact that the whole chemical and pharma supply chain, even those not currently doing anything remotely relevant to COVID, have been pulled in as key workers hopefully signifies that scale-up of the supply chain will not be slowed for lack of hands, even given that all facilities will not be appropriate for all intermediates / products.
Utilities, communication and financial services staff, including postal workers and waste disposal workers
Financial services staff ?????
Basic banking?
It's all online, you can even scan cheques on your phone these days. I'm sure the bosses of those hideous call centres that try and sell us 90 different energy packages over the phone at the office will all be telling their staff that they're all under "communication" and keep their kids going to the local school.
The list of key workers looks too wide to me.
Maybe they are thinking of branches that will be dealing with the loan package they announced earlier?
Big chain supermarket - what was readily available ish ( and most of it was bare!). Fresh veg (loads of it), washing up liquid, paprika, herbs, frozen seafood, ( frozen veg was sparse but they might’ve had a freezer breakdown issue too), Bud Light, Heineken, Spirits and Retsina, bread, milk, cheese, quinoa (!), coffee, steak, bacon.
Went round the corner to a local place where you bring your own refill jars for rice, beans, etc. Mainly young people ( prob students) and yummy mummies with carbon fibre prams : Orderly spacing, no shortages, soap and a whole shelf of toilet roll by the check out. Not one person in 15 mins did I see take a toilet roll . As an opportunity for social observation this is pure gold once in a lifetime stuff.
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
Key workers do key work that they cannot do if they are at home looking after the kids. The (correct) view is that, for them and them only, the increased risk of them catching and/or spreading COVID-19 is worth it to enable their work to continue.
(One thing that surprised me, given how long the list of key-workers is, is that cleaners are not regarded as key-workers.)
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
You used the word "logic"...
They need to keep various things running. So keeping schools open. But don't send your non-essential kids there as schools closed. Clopen. Opsed. Whatever. They have No Clue.
Aha - I hear on the news that the rumors of the army being used to lock down London pooh-poohed yesterday may have had merit as the army are on hot standby for a Covid-19 response force...
I haven't really thought much about Trump's chances lately, but this is a political betting site after all.... I'm guessing you bet against him a month or so ago and stand to guarantee* yourself a nice sum by betting on him now?
*Unless the election is delayed, of course.
Yes I've been laying him for a long time and I could at current odds close it for a profit. Mulling that atm.
When you go through an intense and difficult period with somebody it can bring you closer to them. I fear it doing this with Trump and the American public. Especially if he showers them with cash.
Let us hope not. In terms of a clear and present danger to the planet he is a close second to the virus. Indeed he IS a virus in that sense.
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
They have to keep working, so while there is a risk, it is better than having them off work and watch the whole system collapse.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
Big chain supermarket - what was readily available ish ( and most of it was bare!). Fresh veg (loads of it), washing up liquid, paprika, herbs, frozen seafood, ( frozen veg was sparse but they might’ve had a freezer breakdown issue too), Bud Light, Heineken, Spirits and Retsina, bread, milk, cheese, quinoa (!), coffee, steak, bacon.
Went round the corner to a local place where you bring your own refill jars for rice, beans, etc. Mainly young people ( prob students) and yummy mummies with carbon fibre prams : Orderly spacing, no shortages, soap and a whole shelf of toilet roll by the check out. Not one person in 15 mins did I see take a toilet roll . As an opportunity for social observation this is pure gold once in a lifetime stuff.
Same here. Smaller local supermarkets are mostly people carrying two bags away on foot, so overshopping/hoarding is naturally limited. The larger ones are served by car, so lots of people buying double or more.
Our best estimate of the hospitalisation rate of those infected is from 2% in the under 50s to 44% of over 80s. This is equivalent to 8% of those infected overall.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
6 hours? In times of crises people are still unable to work over the weekend?
Are normal hospital appointments taking place? I dont mean of the ingrowing toenail variety but those for more serious ailments?
I read today that a lady in London had her cancer operation cancelled. Which must be truly a great worry for her and people in her position if it is replicated around the country in coming weeks.
The iPhone 12 is on course for a fall launch despite disruptions to mobile manufacturing in the wake of the coronavirus outbreak, according to Bloomberg, citing people familiar with Apple's supply chain.
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
You used the word "logic"...
They need to keep various things running. So keeping schools open. But don't send your non-essential kids there as schools closed. Clopen. Opsed. Whatever. They have No Clue.
Aha - I hear on the news that the rumors of the army being used to lock down London pooh-poohed yesterday may have had merit as the army are on hot standby for a Covid-19 response force...
There do seem to be a lot of opportunities out there to limit harm, by moving supply to demand:
- Some workers suddenly have no work to do, whereas some unskilled jobs suddenly have no workers.
- Some parents no longer send their children to childcare because they are working from home. Other children (of a different age, admittedly) need care because their schools have closed.
The UK should really be at an advantage here because other countries have gone through this already. Anyone know if/how they've creatively adapted to the situation?
The role of the BoE with monetary policy and CoE with fiscal policy is to balance supply and demand so that the economy expands at a sustainable rate of say 2%. You want to avoid wild deflationary or inflationary swings and you certainly don't want to end up like Zimbabwe.
Aren't you conflating economic policy (growth targets) with money supply (inflation) here?
The National debt will continue to grow and that's a good thing as long as the interest payments are sustainable. If the interest is paid to the BoE it doesn't matter anyway as it is remitted back to the Treasury.
Money supply (printing money) and national debt are surely separate issues. Get money supply wrong and you get inflation, let debt get out of control and you end up spending more on interest than education. It is possible to have one issue without the other.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
Are normal hospital appointments taking place? I dont mean of the ingrowing toenail variety but those for more serious ailments?
I read today that a lady in London had her cancer operation cancelled. Which must be truly a great worry for her and people in her position if it is replicated around the country in coming weeks.
My wife works on a cancer ward, operations are still happening.
Around 1.4 million vulnerable people in Britain will be told to self-isolate on Monday during the coronavirus outbreak, as the UK death toll hits 144.
Speaking today, Health Secretary Matt Hancock revealed that Brits classed as vulnerable will be contacted by the NHS and told what specific actions they need to take to protect themselves from the killer virus.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
6 hours? In times of crises people are still unable to work over the weekend?
They probably will, they will be working through Easter and Summer too. They are on a front line.
But do you not see the point here? It is chaos where there didn't need to be chaos if a plan had been put into place weeks ago.
The second point is that the policy is fatally flawed because it goes through the government sausage factory which then eliminates the policies primary purpose, which is to slow the spread of the virus.
It has all sorts of secondary negative outcomes such as: mixed messages, confusion and a destruction of morale.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
6 hours? In times of crises people are still unable to work over the weekend?
I can assure you that teachers work over weekends in ordinary times. In some cases, pretty solidly. On the basis of the teachers I know, the additional crisis time consists of, for example, a 5:30 am teleconference.
TrèsDifficile, sorry to hear of your twat of a boss. It does seem people are losing no opportunity to show themselves off as an asshole in the current situation.
A friend of mine was at the supermarket with his Mexican wife yesterday. A guy reached into their trolley and took out the pack of sea-salt. Looking at her, he said "This is for the British only...."
It was only down to the intervention of his wife that my mate didn't unleash the battering of a lifetime on the guy. He is still mighty riled up by it today.
It would take quite a lot to convince me that the guy who did that is not racist.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
6 hours? In times of crises people are still unable to work over the weekend?
They probably will, they will be working through Easter and Summer too. They are on a front line.
But do you not see the point here? It is chaos where there didn't need to be chaos if a plan had been put into place weeks ago.
The second point is that the policy is fatally flawed because it goes through the government sausage factory which then eliminates the policies primary purpose, which is to slow the spread of the virus.
It has all sorts of secondary negative outcomes such as: mixed messages, confusion and a destruction of morale.
How would you deal with it then, particularly for NHS workers? I don't have the numbers, but I bet a significant fraction of them would otherwise be off work caring for their children.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
6 hours? In times of crises people are still unable to work over the weekend?
I can assure you that teachers work over weekends in ordinary times. In some cases, pretty solidly. On the basis of the teachers I know, the additional crisis time consists of, for example, a 5:30 am teleconference.
Our best estimate of the hospitalisation rate of those infected is from 2% in the under 50s to 44% of over 80s. This is equivalent to 8% of those infected overall.
Oldies...get in your bloody house and stay there.
Yip. Note that hospitalization is not the same as ICU of course. Most (if equivalent to Italy) will not require ICU.
The chart in the Imperial Report is sobering...their predictions (based on Italy) are that huge proportions of oldies that get admitted to hospital do require ICU, especially when you get to 70+.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
Fuck the bank. Stop paying. We're heading for full communism anyway.
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
You used the word "logic"...
They need to keep various things running. So keeping schools open. But don't send your non-essential kids there as schools closed. Clopen. Opsed. Whatever. They have No Clue.
Aha - I hear on the news that the rumors of the army being used to lock down London pooh-poohed yesterday may have had merit as the army are on hot standby for a Covid-19 response force...
After witnessing the exodus from lockdown areas in Northern Italy when they were announced, we will hopefully not be making the same mistake. The London lockdown will happen with very little warning.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
Not sure about the children of non key workers going into school next week. Very clear from my daughter's school that if you haven't registered with them as a key worker by today, your children cannot attend school from next week. Nor can they even access the building to collect to anything they might have left behind.
The schools got the key worker memo dropped this morning. Not yesterday as Williamson promised. This morning. So they now have a rough guide on what a key worker is and they have a 6 hours to do the plan. Do schools collect data on what kids parents do? No. Why would they collect such a thing.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
6 hours? In times of crises people are still unable to work over the weekend?
They probably will, they will be working through Easter and Summer too. They are on a front line.
But do you not see the point here? It is chaos where there didn't need to be chaos if a plan had been put into place weeks ago.
The second point is that the policy is fatally flawed because it goes through the government sausage factory which then eliminates the policies primary purpose, which is to slow the spread of the virus.
It has all sorts of secondary negative outcomes such as: mixed messages, confusion and a destruction of morale.
I will quote you, directly from the man who change the purchase of ammunition for the British Army to a supplier who ammunition caused the guns to jam (due to shite propellant).
"The correct procedures must be followed - and they were. The issues were not my problem."
When I pointed out that a trivial amount of knowledge of firearms would have pointed out the problem..
"Do you mean that ammunition purchase for the British Army should be organised by gun-nuts?"
He has left the civil service I believe, but I'm quite sure his colleagues can maintain his example.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
Are normal hospital appointments taking place? I dont mean of the ingrowing toenail variety but those for more serious ailments?
I read today that a lady in London had her cancer operation cancelled. Which must be truly a great worry for her and people in her position if it is replicated around the country in coming weeks.
My wife works on a cancer ward, operations are still happening.
Good to hear, hope it continues. Patients in that position have enough to worry about.
"But calls are growing for one (lockdown) after large numbers of people ignored government advice and took to the streets over the last few days. Restaurants and cafes, which are still allowed to open until 6pm, have been busy, and police have had to be called to break up "coronavirus parties" held by young people."
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
I would ask for the holiday, but transfer the payment you would have made to another account, if you have one, as long as it's a protected UK account. Then it can sit there, just fine, until you either need it - or you don't.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
Fuck the bank. Stop paying. We're heading for full communism anyway.
No we are not, despite what some on here are clearly hoping to force the government to bring about.
Plus mortgage payments ultimately go to building up your biggest asset
I await with bated breath the denunciations of the many Leavers on here who seem to believe that the government is going to let a mere pandemic deflect it from ending the transition deal on 31 December 2020, despite the repeated public statements to the contrary including this week.
Schools may close, London might be locked down but the end of the transition period is an immutable priority.
I await with bated breath the denunciations of the many Leavers on here who seem to believe that the government is going to let a mere pandemic deflect it from ending the transition deal on 31 December 2020, despite the repeated public statements to the contrary including this week.
Schools may close, London might be locked down but the end of the transition period is an immutable priority.
Parliament is sovereign, and it said that the transition must end on the 31 December 2020.
Well despite all the doom and gloom, it was gorgeous out running on the fells this morning, no-one about, well there never is. After all the mud ,rain, snow hail etc it was good to be out. My running club has cancelled all club runs, but I run 3 times a week on the fells with some long time friends, one has dropped out with a family member feeling feverish but I will use my running to get through this. Definitely improves my mood.
Looks like Spain is going to have another really bad day re virus
19,980 +1,903 1,002 +171
Thats now - they keep updating through the day
Another 390 cases and 27 deaths
They do update as the day goes on but the fixed points on the graph are from the same time each day. The UK seems keen to control the update of these figures where as the autonomous communities are providing more regular updates.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
It's an "I Can't Believe It's Not Herd Immunity" policy. Say you aren't doing it and then do it anyway, whilst claiming that it's not your fault that people didn't listen.
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
Enlighten me please. If schools are to close because kids can be asymptomatic carriers of COVID-19, what is the logic is sending key workers' kids to school? Is the idea to infect key workers, because if the former logic is valid, then the latter point follows...
They are desperately trying to avoid saying that it is children that are spreading it, whilst exhibiting few symptoms. I mean, in the same minute of a press conference you firstly hear that children are okay because, although many will get it, they only have mild symptoms, and then we’re supposed to believe the idea that schools are therefore safe and they won’t pass it to each other and to parents and staff. It’s a shambolic series of incompatible ideas.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
I've been running some of the numbers, I think the government can afford around £80bn in cash intervention this year without breaking the bank, that should support the economy quite well. I just hope that the chancellor has the cojones to spend it. Without that I think we will see a debt uptick of around 30% as tax receipts crash and the social budget increases.
I literally can't stress enough how important the next couple of days are for the British economy. The government needs to be very bold and ensure the economy stays in tact for when everyone has to go back to work. There other road is an absolute disaster IMO and will see us have another 10 years of austerity.
My laptop is constantly being logged out of PB this morning. It’s frustrating.
Anyway the key, as I and many others have been saying on here is to keep the income flowing and as many jobs as possible intact until the virus is over. Boris reckons we are 12 weeks from that. It should be possible for the government to pay everyone’s wages for that long. They are already paying the 40% in the public sector. They need to keep the tax base for the recovery.
At the moment even those who are still paid are not spending. Restaurants, hotels, holidays, cars, cinema, home improvements, nothing is going to happen until we can move about freely and without fear. But we will need all of those things in due course. More than ever in many cases.
Boris' 12 week reckoning didn't make it to the end of the news conference.
Boris has sensibly left the heavy lifting to the experts, perhaps he should engage an expert communicator to run the press conferences.
"12 weeks" could mean: - 12 weeks to the peak (with however many extra weeks or months until its subsided enough to take down measures) - 12 weeks to the first peak, with however many cycles of on-and-off again needed to keep the figures down until we get a vaccine (median expectation 18 months; have seen people talking about as little as six months which would be great) - - 12 weeks until it's all over, tea and medals for all.
Sadly, although I think it's the feeling he wanted to give, the latter could well be least likely. Regardless, after three months of shutdown of the hospitality and airline sectors, they wouldn't be coming back unchanged. And those working in those sectors face a hellish time of uncertainty, regardless.
So, yes - he absolutely needs to do something for them.
on those subsequent peaks we arent using anything like the ICU capacity of the first. so couldnt you shorten the lockdown phases and extend the liberty phases to limit the financial damage. yes more people would get infected and more die but hopefully there will still be an ICU bed to give them the best chance.
Yep; that was in the modelling as well (bear in mind that as more data comes in, the model would need to be updated and we haven't seen any updates). The scale of the difference in deaths is in the table below:
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
Yes they do, the government has issued guidance on which parents are keyworkers and those parents can provide proof of that employment from their employers
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
We should be able to rely upon honesty. My children could have gone because my wife is a key worker but I've said I'd watch them at home because that's the right thing to do.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
We should be able to rely upon honesty. My children could have gone because my wife is a key worker but I've said I'd watch them at home because that's the right thing to do.
Yeah. Like you say, this isn't a compulsory scheme, it's just for key workers who would otherwise have to stay at home.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
I’d have thought accountancy would be pretty much the ultimate WFH job!
Would you get the mortgage holiday if you are on full pay?
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
At 3pm pupils start leaving for home. If schools are to issue communications to parents there's your deadline. As for certification will the slightly built female primary school teacher be enforcing the certification to the burly dad aggressively thrusting her pupil at her...?
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Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
We should be able to rely upon honesty. My children could have gone because my wife is a key worker but I've said I'd watch them at home because that's the right thing to do.
Yes. Asking for a signed statement that there is no non-keyworker who acts as parent to the child, who can safely provide the required care, ought to be enough to get all but the complete eejits to do the right thing.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
Yes they do, the government has issued guidance on which parents are keyworkers and those parents can provide proof of that employment from their employers and if if a headteacher admits any other parents' children from next week he will be acting illegally and potentially risking arrest
Arrest? What arrestable offence will he or she be committing? Novel application of criminal law you have going on here.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
We should be able to rely upon honesty. My children could have gone because my wife is a key worker but I've said I'd watch them at home because that's the right thing to do.
Yeah. Like you say, this isn't a compulsory scheme, it's just for key workers who would otherwise have to stay at home.
Indeed. When we heard this morning that only one parent had to be a key worker we at first thought "great, we'll keep sending them to school then" but after thinking about it that's not the right thing to do. If our kids catch it at school and pass it to my wife who then takes it to work . . . its not worth thinking about if that could have been avoided.
We couldn't live with ourselves taking that chance unnecessarily.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash. Mortgage payment goes out on Monday. Would you ask for a payment holiday or not? I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc. I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon. Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
Fuck the bank. Stop paying. We're heading for full communism anyway.
Just had a message from my wife. Her school really is carrying on as normal. "Business as usual" is how the Headmaster put it. Everyone from him down to the cleaners are to go in. What's the legal aspect to this? As it's private and the government is a bit wooly in its advice, is there anything to stop it?
Boris said the government have legal powers to enforce this. I don't know if he was being Trumpian on this or not, or if it is in the bill they are currently passing?
To enforce what? Schools are NOT closing. I know they told us that schools were closing. I know that a lot of children have had to react to the news. I know that a lot of parents are in a bind because of the announcement. But with a vast list of Key Workers dropped overnight the schools will remain open.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
If your parents do not work in a key worker role then you will not be allowed back into school for the foreseeable future, end of conversation.
LOL you really don't have a clue do you. "End of conversation" indeed. Schools haven't been given proper guidance. Or the time to plan this. They don't know what profession the parents of their pupils have. Nor do they have time to find out between 2am this morning and 3pm this afternoon. Nor will we have primary school teachers physically stopping the children of desperate / physically intimidating parents come in like they are some kind of police officer.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They only have until 3pm? What happens then.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
At 3pm pupils start leaving for home. If schools are to issue communications to parents there's your deadline. As for certification will the slightly built female primary school teacher be enforcing the certification to the burly dad aggressively thrusting her pupil at her...?
I don't see why that's the last possible moment to tell them. There can be told to check the school's website for additional information on Sunday evening, for example. Although I think the communication has to be mainly the other way, with parents informing the school that they fall into one of the categories. So the time the children leave really doesn't come into it.
In the situation you describe, if they were belligerent I'm sure the police would be called.
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I have seen many shops / businesses that have stayed open asking people to queue outside and come in in ones or twos when called. People are doing it. No panic, no scraps in the street, etc. just lining up and keeping apart from others in the line.
Even in the supermarket, there is calm. People are preparing for the lockdown by buying dried goods and how can you blame them? The politicians can dither all they want about yes there should or no there should not be a lockdown, but everyone I meet assumes it is on the way and are prepping for it.
*Unless the election is delayed, of course.
Also the effect of anchoring, people remembering only the first thing they were told, means that a huge amount of Trump's base still think there is nothing to worry about and are in for a shock despite the state propaganda channel (Fox) changing its messaging.
We have seen on this forum that some people will be selfish and just do what they want
But given there was broadly two strategies (mitigate and suppression) with some quite overlapping policy interventions between them. Would any sane government not do a considerable amount of work preparing for both strategies?
We have had all the advantages of watching and observing the Chinese, the Koreans, the Japanese, the Italians, the Spanish. Yet here we are with our hands in the air saying, 'who could have predicted it?'
Well anyone with a working brain could have predicted it if they had chosen to step out from their normalcy bias.
The schools policy will unravel in about two weeks when people observe schools being 2/3rds full.
Madness madness madness.
And when people realise this next week? It will be simple. Parent has non key worker job. But told "if you don't turn up you don't get paid" or worse. Social media / friends report schools still open. So their kids go back to school. HYUFD no doubt thinks they should just accept the sack. In the real world people will realise that the government have utterly fracked this up and resume normality.
This is a national emergency and so my inclination is to support the government. Con v Lab seems trivial atm.
But it does seem to me, based on the evidence available, that they were asleep at the wheel. They have woken up now and I only hope it is not too late for London to avoid becoming Northern Italy by about Easter time.
Appeals by the Iranian government for the nation to stay at home at the start of Iranian new year have been widely ignored with more than 1.2m taking to the roads, according to the Iranian police.
Northern towns on the Caspian coast, one of the main holiday destinations, reported tens of thousands of cars trying to reach them.
Latest figures published Friday showed Iran now has 19,644 cases of infection and 1,433 deaths. New infections in the past 24 hours was 1,237 and the number of new deaths 149.
The number of new infections is a record for a single day, and the number of deaths, the same as the day before.
Every layer of Iranian society, clerical army and national, as well as local government, had urged Iranians to stay at home at New Year, a time when Iranians traditionally travel to see friends and family and celebrate the coming of Spring.
Authorities in Mashad, Iran’s second most populous city, and the capital of Khorasan-e Razavi province in the North West said traffic was only 2 % down on the previous year, despite calls by city councillors for people to stay away.
I fear not. Only when the bodies start piling up will the public start changing.
As I have said the whole time, ignorance and selfishness will be our downfall.
Financial services staff ?????
If they want people to stop socialising thats the place to start.
But at the moment, this is merely strongly advisory, so I DO think the government understands this.
This is the garden I have to take in hand, and I hope to have some questions for comment to post over a number of days, and perhaps debate during this interesting perio.
The garden has about 5 years of development - that 10-12ft clump of bamboo was planted by my relative as a single plant.
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1240972943276081160
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1240973263217594369
By the time everyone has finished watching it, it'll be September and this thing will be over.
The list of key workers looks too wide to me.
Other people can't.
Big chain supermarket - what was readily available ish ( and most of it was bare!).
Fresh veg (loads of it), washing up liquid, paprika, herbs, frozen seafood, ( frozen veg was sparse but they might’ve had a freezer breakdown issue too), Bud Light, Heineken, Spirits and Retsina, bread, milk, cheese, quinoa (!), coffee, steak, bacon.
Went round the corner to a local place where you bring your own refill jars for rice, beans, etc. Mainly young people ( prob students) and yummy mummies with carbon fibre prams : Orderly spacing, no shortages, soap and a whole shelf of toilet roll by the check out. Not one person in 15 mins did I see take a toilet roll . As an opportunity for social observation this is pure gold once in a lifetime stuff.
(One thing that surprised me, given how long the list of key-workers is, is that cleaners are not regarded as key-workers.)
They need to keep various things running. So keeping schools open. But don't send your non-essential kids there as schools closed. Clopen. Opsed. Whatever. They have No Clue.
Aha - I hear on the news that the rumors of the army being used to lock down London pooh-poohed yesterday may have had merit as the army are on hot standby for a Covid-19 response force...
As it was in previous crisis.
When you go through an intense and difficult period with somebody it can bring you closer to them. I fear it doing this with Trump and the American public. Especially if he showers them with cash.
Let us hope not. In terms of a clear and present danger to the planet he is a close second to the virus. Indeed he IS a virus in that sense.
So by the start of next week there will be chaos and what you will find in practice, depending on the area obviously, is that by week two schools will be occupied mainly by the kids with 'needs' with a smattering of key workers kids.
How lovely for those teachers, who could have otherwise have been looking after their own kids. They will have to go in, take the high risk of Covid19 in order to mainly look after the kids of parents who can't be arsed.
It's the Blitz, 21st century style.
Same here. Smaller local supermarkets are mostly people carrying two bags away on foot, so overshopping/hoarding is naturally limited. The larger ones are served by car, so lots of people buying double or more.
Oldies...get in your bloody house and stay there.
Which must be truly a great worry for her and people in her position if it is replicated around the country in coming weeks.
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- Some workers suddenly have no work to do, whereas some unskilled jobs suddenly have no workers.
- Some parents no longer send their children to childcare because they are working from home. Other children (of a different age, admittedly) need care because their schools have closed.
The UK should really be at an advantage here because other countries have gone through this already. Anyone know if/how they've creatively adapted to the situation?
Not sure I agree with the "at all". Money supply (printing money) and national debt are surely separate issues. Get money supply wrong and you get inflation, let debt get out of control and you end up spending more on interest than education. It is possible to have one issue without the other.
Got paid today. Gives me a lot of cash.
Mortgage payment goes out on Monday.
Would you ask for a payment holiday or not?
I may have to in April. Am I being overly cautious?
I'd rather pay if I can (And I can) but I'm worried about April, May etc.
I'm an employed accountant. Work is still brisk, but a number of clients are heading into trouble. This WILL knockon.
Been working from home so far. Not going well on day 2 of this mess.
"We don't intubate anybody over 70"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFb6kuqRqI0
But do you not see the point here? It is chaos where there didn't need to be chaos if a plan had been put into place weeks ago.
The second point is that the policy is fatally flawed because it goes through the government sausage factory which then eliminates the policies primary purpose, which is to slow the spread of the virus.
It has all sorts of secondary negative outcomes such as: mixed messages, confusion and a destruction of morale.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/19/far-requiring-delay-coronavirus-strengthens-hand-post-brexit/
"The correct procedures must be followed - and they were. The issues were not my problem."
When I pointed out that a trivial amount of knowledge of firearms would have pointed out the problem..
"Do you mean that ammunition purchase for the British Army should be organised by gun-nuts?"
He has left the civil service I believe, but I'm quite sure his colleagues can maintain his example.
Patients in that position have enough to worry about.
"But calls are growing for one (lockdown) after large numbers of people ignored government advice and took to the streets over the last few days. Restaurants and cafes, which are still allowed to open until 6pm, have been busy, and police have had to be called to break up "coronavirus parties" held by young people."
I would ask for the holiday, but transfer the payment you would have made to another account, if you have one, as long as it's a protected UK account. Then it can sit there, just fine, until you either need it - or you don't.
Plus mortgage payments ultimately go to building up your biggest asset
Schools may close, London might be locked down but the end of the transition period is an immutable priority.
My running club has cancelled all club runs, but I run 3 times a week on the fells with some long time friends, one has dropped out with a family member feeling feverish but I will use my running to get through this.
Definitely improves my mood.
Like I said, do keep it going. You are the IQ inspiration for those drunken British tourists we see in Benidorm
They give every impression of having started to think about coronavirus only last weekend.
Boris is pathetic.
Aren’t there any comms experts in the govt?
Ennoble Whitty, make him PM, and have done with it.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of certification process at some point to demonstrate your job fell in the critical category.
I literally can't stress enough how important the next couple of days are for the British economy. The government needs to be very bold and ensure the economy stays in tact for when everyone has to go back to work. There other road is an absolute disaster IMO and will see us have another 10 years of austerity.
Would you get the mortgage holiday if you are on full pay?
Okay.
We couldn't live with ourselves taking that chance unnecessarily.
In the situation you describe, if they were belligerent I'm sure the police would be called.