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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 54,561
    edited March 29

    rcs1000 said:

    I haven't seen The Last Jedi, but I have seen The Rise of Skywalker.

    And RoS was utter shit. Complete garbage. I was bored throughout.

    The Force Awaken, that I enjoyed.

    Rise of Skwalker. I think that might very well be the worst Star Wars movie ever. Worse even that The Phantom Menace.

    The thing with RoS is that is, with its "Palpatine didn't die, really" narrative, it completely undid the sacrifice/redemption of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker in The Return of the Jedi.
    Yes, a bit (his redemption was still achieved, and the sacrifice was not wasted since it gave them twenty years of relative peace as pretenders to the Emperor took that long to properly reestablish themselves as dominant - so not completely undid), although the existence of a sequel trilogy where evil forces so easily hold sway decades later already did that, though much in keeping with what I know of the Extended Universe stories in that regard.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 54,561
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    I really don't know how technology companies get valued, as some really stupid ones have been worth astronomical amounts.
    Zoom currently has revenue and American airlines do not.

    Zoom is head and shoulders the best videoconferencing software out there.
    Oh for them I get it. I was thinking more of apps of dubious usefulness and no clear way of making money.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 21,512

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    It’s foolish if he’s got the bug. He should rest, give his body the best chance, and not take risks.
    I don't disagree, but in all honesty, we don't know if he is working or not. Putting on a suit and doing a bit to camera for 5 mins might be the extent of what he has done for days.
    Why even the suit? It’s daft. Especially for Boris. The tie seems to strangle him at one point.

    He should go to bed and leave it to Gove/Raab or ideally Hunt.
    If I thought you genuinely care for Boris health I may think more of your posts
    I think in this instance Jonathan is being genuine. He may not like Boris at all and wish he wasn't PM but I have never seen him wish actual harm on anyone. That is just not his style.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 34,876
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    Yes, it's the best Star Trek movie ever made! Plenty of nods to classics like Moby Dick and a Tale of Two Cities too!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 35,919
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 54,561

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    Yes, it's the best Star Trek movie ever made! Plenty of nods to classics like Moby Dick and a Tale of Two Cities too!
    Nods? Clunking great sledgehammers more like.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    I really don't know how technology companies get valued, as some really stupid ones have been worth astronomical amounts.
    Zoom currently has revenue and American airlines do not.

    Zoom is head and shoulders the best videoconferencing software out there.
    Used it again this morning to chat with a couple of pals. Very interactive, good visual and sound quality. Pretty hard to fault, really.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 1,923
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Resilient, yes; invulnerable, no.
  • tysontyson Posts: 5,976
    eadric said:

    tlg86 said:

    Time for another tedious update from me. Writing this crap is helping me, so please indulge me...

    So, my Amazon order for CCS Foot Cream arrived today. Some PBers will recall that I recommended it for dry hands.

    After that, I went to close the gate and spotted nine people and one dog in the lane. One pair appeared to be together but were staying 2m apart.

    I’ve come across a few couples keeping their distance like that, completely stupid and it’s a pain when they don’t feel inclined to get into single file to let you pass.
    Long local walk with the dog today - the only person I saw was a neon lycra-clad cyclist who shot past about 2 feet from me.

    Some things never change.

    Ditto. Is there something about jogging and cycling which makes joggers and cyclists uniquely selfish?


    Joggers are bloated germ bags.....and should be given the same treatment as mobile suicide bombers...discuss??

    I think jogging should be banned...they fucking creep up on you, sweating, panting, and yacking....they don't keep to their distance...likely to be asymmetric super spreaders by thinking a good run will deal with a spot of morning roughness....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 35,919
    Andy_JS said:

    "Boris Johnson's government is reportedly furious with China and believes it could have 40 times more coronavirus cases than it claims

    UK government officials say there'll be "reckoning" for China over its handling of the coronavirus.
    It has accused of China of spreading disinformation and lying about the number of cases it has.
    Scientists have reportedly warned Johnson that China could have up to 40 times more cases than it says.
    It could prompt the prime minister to abandon his deal with Chinese telecomms company, Huawei."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

    The apologism and whataboutism over China (on here as well as elsewhere) is shocking.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 3,443
    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Not Mrs Thatcher? ;) "There really is such a thing as society."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 3,576
    DavidL said:

    Looking seriously tired around the eyes.

    pissholes in the snow
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 35,919
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    I'm the worst person to ask, as I think that one is overrated, which is very against the consensus opinion.

    It is a good movie though, and I haven't even seen the original series.

    As a TNG man First Contact was probably my favourite, though I've a soft spot for the comedic IV - the voyage home.
    That's the Roger Moore movie of the Star Trek film series.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 35,919
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Resilient, yes; invulnerable, no.
    People like to believe their leaders are superhuman and draw strength from that.

    Churchill understood this. As did Thatcher.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,032

    Andy_JS said:
    Another politician gets himself in trouble by posting on Twitter......
    By keeping his distance he is doing zero harm. Rules aren't for mindlessly obeying. That is the path to Milligan. https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

    There is a purpose to the rules. In this case it is to stop onward transmission. He's doung that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 34,876

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,762

    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Not Mrs Thatcher? ;) "There really is such a thing as society."
    Sky have just pointed that out and saying it is more like Churchill
  • tysontyson Posts: 5,976

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    It’s foolish if he’s got the bug. He should rest, give his body the best chance, and not take risks.
    I don't disagree, but in all honesty, we don't know if he is working or not. Putting on a suit and doing a bit to camera for 5 mins might be the extent of what he has done for days.
    Why even the suit? It’s daft. Especially for Boris. The tie seems to strangle him at one point.

    He should go to bed and leave it to Gove/Raab or ideally Hunt.
    If I thought you genuinely care for Boris health I may think more of your posts
    I think in this instance Jonathan is being genuine. He may not like Boris at all and wish he wasn't PM but I have never seen him wish actual harm on anyone. That is just not his style.
    I think you have to be a bit of a moron to wish ill harm on another human being on the basis of their political beliefs...especially in the UK...and certainly not Jonathan....

    That said internationally Bolsonaro and Trump stretch that maxim for me
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298
    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868
    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    It’s generally regarded as the best of the movies. I love it. It’s the final showdown with the bad guys has the claustrophobic tension of a submarine action, very unlike your normal space battles.
    The space battle that felt anywhere near "right" I have seen was the Donnanger vs Stealths. CQB.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152
    Nearly 30% of all the recorded new cases in the world were in the US today and most of them were in NY.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 13,176
    DavidL said:

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    I really don't know how technology companies get valued, as some really stupid ones have been worth astronomical amounts.
    Zoom currently has revenue and American airlines do not.

    Zoom is head and shoulders the best videoconferencing software out there.
    Used it again this morning to chat with a couple of pals. Very interactive, good visual and sound quality. Pretty hard to fault, really.
    Yes agreed - joined up last week, used it a few times - seems pretty good.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 11,534

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    egg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    You know it has got really bad when you feel like watching the Hans Solo movie. And definitely call 999 if you feel an urge to listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury.




  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152
    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 1,923

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    'I did nothing - except get caught with my britches down!'

    The only time that character has used that line in a non-romantic context...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
    Probably

    It has a character who has read Moby Dick obsessively for decades, who *wants to be* Ahab.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    edited March 29
    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Good grief! 'If he survives'? You are less cheerful than the grim reaper. Let us hope Boris is on the mend.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 34,876
    In news that may have completely slipped beneath the radar, North Macedonia (previously known as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) has just joined NATO.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia–NATO_relations
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
    Now that would be fun.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 26,645
    What’s Roundee?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Sobering to think that, in about six/seven days, we will know whether the prime minister is likely to die, or not. Ditto the Health Secretary and the CMO.

    With all that means for the leadership of the UK.
    "There only remained the trivial business of dying."

    Name the source of the quote and win a roll of toilet paper.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Sobering to think that, in about six/seven days, we will know whether the prime minister is likely to die, or not. Ditto the Health Secretary and the CMO.

    With all that means for the leadership of the UK.
    Give it a rest!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 3,443

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Resilient, yes; invulnerable, no.
    People like to believe their leaders are superhuman and draw strength from that.

    Churchill understood this. As did Thatcher.
    This is discussed in the television programme mentioned earlier, Churchill's First World War.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
    Probably

    It has a character who has read Moby Dick obsessively for decades, who *wants to be* Ahab.
    Morris Dancer and his deadly space cannon ?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 2,726

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    It’s generally regarded as the best of the movies. I love it. It’s the final showdown with the bad guys has the claustrophobic tension of a submarine action, very unlike your normal space battles.
    The space battle that felt anywhere near "right" I have seen was the Donnanger vs Stealths. CQB.
    The one that gets me every time is the Glactica’s penetration of the Cylons’ blockade of Ragnar on the second episode of TRS miniseries. The storming of New Caprica is fun too.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152
    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    It’s generally regarded as the best of the movies. I love it. It’s the final showdown with the bad guys has the claustrophobic tension of a submarine action, very unlike your normal space battles.
    The space battle that felt anywhere near "right" I have seen was the Donnanger vs Stealths. CQB.
    The one that gets me every time is the Glactica’s penetration of the Cylons’ blockade of Ragnar on the second episode of TRS miniseries. The storming of New Caprica is fun too.
    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
    Probably

    It has a character who has read Moby Dick obsessively for decades, who *wants to be* Ahab.
    Morris Dancer and his deadly space cannon ?
    I always figured he would be more the chief of the Silurians - the mutated haddock faithfully following their creator/warlord..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    It’s generally regarded as the best of the movies. I love it. It’s the final showdown with the bad guys has the claustrophobic tension of a submarine action, very unlike your normal space battles.
    The space battle that felt anywhere near "right" I have seen was the Donnanger vs Stealths. CQB.
    The one that gets me every time is the Glactica’s penetration of the Cylons’ blockade of Ragnar on the second episode of TRS miniseries. The storming of New Caprica is fun too.
    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
    Probably

    It has a character who has read Moby Dick obsessively for decades, who *wants to be* Ahab.
    Morris Dancer and his deadly space cannon ?
    I always figured he would be more the chief of the Silurians - the mutated haddock faithfully following their creator/warlord..
    These villains crop up everywhere.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    Still not serious enough for Trump to lock down the North Eastern Seaboard region or so it would seem.
  • tysontyson Posts: 5,976
    DavidL said:

    Nearly 30% of all the recorded new cases in the world were in the US today and most of them were in NY.


    That is really frightening....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    Still not serious enough for Trump to lock down the North Eastern Seaboard region or so it would seem.
    But he’s a complete twat so that doesn’t signify anything one way or the other.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    It’s generally regarded as the best of the movies. I love it. It’s the final showdown with the bad guys has the claustrophobic tension of a submarine action, very unlike your normal space battles.
    The space battle that felt anywhere near "right" I have seen was the Donnanger vs Stealths. CQB.
    The one that gets me every time is the Glactica’s penetration of the Cylons’ blockade of Ragnar on the second episode of TRS miniseries. The storming of New Caprica is fun too.
    True - but the Expanse had a great skill in drawing characters quickly.

    Jean Yoon *built* the character of a captain who you'd follow in about 10 minutes of screen time. Smart, capable and flexible enough to deal with everything she *knew* breaking around her.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,352
    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    I really don't know how technology companies get valued, as some really stupid ones have been worth astronomical amounts.
    Zoom currently has revenue and American airlines do not.

    Zoom is head and shoulders the best videoconferencing software out there.
    We did a church business meeting via Zoom. Really worked quite well.
    When the free 40 min was up, it seemed to allow us to Rejoin for free for a continuation meeting.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 2,771

    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Not Mrs Thatcher? ;) "There really is such a thing as society."
    The fuller quote from Thatcher:

    “Society. There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first.

    It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation ...”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    Still not serious enough for Trump to lock down the North Eastern Seaboard region or so it would seem.
    But he’s a complete twat so that doesn’t signify anything one way or the other.
    I think any other Post War President would be taking a lockdown of the world epicentre of the pandemic more seriously than Trump.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    egg said:

    egg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    You know it has got really bad when you feel like watching the Hans Solo movie. And definitely call 999 if you feel an urge to listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury.






  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 2,726

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    It’s generally regarded as the best of the movies. I love it. It’s the final showdown with the bad guys has the claustrophobic tension of a submarine action, very unlike your normal space battles.
    The space battle that felt anywhere near "right" I have seen was the Donnanger vs Stealths. CQB.
    The one that gets me every time is the Glactica’s penetration of the Cylons’ blockade of Ragnar on the second episode of TRS miniseries. The storming of New Caprica is fun too.
    True - but the Expanse had a great skill in drawing characters quickly.

    Jean Yoon *built* the character of a captain who you'd follow in about 10 minutes of screen time. Smart, capable and flexible enough to deal with everything she *knew* breaking around her.
    The Expanse is fantastic. I’m the kind of person who watches space battles on YouTube when bored at work though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    I think he means 1. The mood and 2. The likelihood of unreported cases and deaths

    If you know NOLA then you know a corona plague there would be devastating. It has almost 3rd world levels of poverty
    I’ve not been there since Katrina but I had read that the city had been gentrified somewhat with a lot of the urban poor displaced.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Sobering to think that, in about six/seven days, we will know whether the prime minister is likely to die, or not. Ditto the Health Secretary and the CMO.

    With all that means for the leadership of the UK.
    Give it a rest!
    Er, it’s true?

    Statistically, Matt Hanckok is extremely likely to survive, and Boris Johnson is very likely. But there is an unignorable risk that the PM will not.

    Or would you rather we ignore it?

    This site deals with data, not wishful dreams.
    Data? The statistics you have dreamed up over the last few weeks are very much on the outlier side of expectations.

    And I do take the situation seriously.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,352
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    Yes, I finally got up today feeling bright enough, but putting away the laundry did me in.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 34,876

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Freggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    It's not actually as bad as I remembered it.
    It really isn't. It's definitely not a good movie for some very well documented reasons, but memory has really been twisted on that one. Genuinely terrible movies are not watchable, except in a 'so bad it is good' sense for a select few. But the Prequel Trilogy are all watchable without purely being in a morbid sense.

    I maintain there's 1 good movie altogether combining the best bits of the prequel trilogy, 2 good movies combining the best bits of the sequel trilogy, 2.5 good movies combining the best bits of the original trilogy, and 1 good movie from the two side stories (being 90% of Rogue One and 10% Solo)
    Tangentially, would I enjoy Star Trek - Wrath of Khan? Never seen a Star Trek movie, enjoyed the tv series when it was originally broadcast.
    If you've never seen it, you're in for an absolute treat. I envy you :smile:
    "From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
    "To the last, I grapple with thee!"
    Is it set in Yorkshire?
    "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest I go to than I have ever known."
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 17,597
    HYUFD said:
    Can't Mexico pay? :D
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 2,537
    Some numbers from worldometers, without comment:

    2,836 covid deaths today vs 2,500 suicides, 2,300 malaria deaths, 3,900 HIV, 1,300 seasonal flu.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 3,443
    Stocky said:

    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Not Mrs Thatcher? ;) "There really is such a thing as society."
    The fuller quote from Thatcher:

    “Society. There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first.

    It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation ...”
    You stopped reading too soon. "There is no such thing as society" comes lower down.
    https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/106689
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 26,645

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    Still not serious enough for Trump to lock down the North Eastern Seaboard region or so it would seem.
    But he’s a complete twat so that doesn’t signify anything one way or the other.
    I think any other Post War President would be taking a lockdown of the world epicentre of the pandemic more seriously than Trump.
    Trumps idiocy has allowed Cuomo apparently to get away with vetoing the first proposed stay in place order for New York
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,079
    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 31,152
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    Yes, I finally got up today feeling bright enough, but putting away the laundry did me in.
    Take it easy. We need you. And the NHS probably does too. But no one needs you more than your family.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 2,956
    edited March 29
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 26,645
    edited March 29
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    I think he means 1. The mood and 2. The likelihood of unreported cases and deaths

    If you know NOLA then you know a corona plague there would be devastating. It has almost 3rd world levels of poverty
    New O is, I believe, already worse than NYC on a per capita basis. Or at least it was until the recent NY surge.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,079

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    It looks like you have to pay to read it too.. dearly me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    The story is about those who didn’t stay at home.
    And right at the start acknowledges the millions that did.

    Not sure your vicar would approve your language.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 34,548
    Barnesian said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Another politician gets himself in trouble by posting on Twitter......
    By keeping his distance he is doing zero harm. Rules aren't for mindlessly obeying. That is the path to Milligan. https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

    There is a purpose to the rules. In this case it is to stop onward transmission. He's doung that.
    If he hadn't posted on Twitter, nobody would know.

    (I agree he is doing nothing to add to the risk of onward transmission, especially if they arrived by car. The police are not taking people with them when they intervene like this. And they have to, now and for weeks and weeks and weeks. Clamp down on the dickheads - and let the rest of us get on with being sensible.)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 11,534
    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    I think he means 1. The mood and 2. The likelihood of unreported cases and deaths

    If you know NOLA then you know a corona plague there would be devastating. It has almost 3rd world levels of poverty
    I’ve not been there since Katrina but I had read that the city had been gentrified somewhat with a lot of the urban poor displaced.
    I was there a year after Katrina and there were whole neighbourhoods abandoned.

    People had relocated to other parts of the country.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 33,762
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    It’s foolish if he’s got the bug. He should rest, give his body the best chance, and not take risks.
    I don't disagree, but in all honesty, we don't know if he is working or not. Putting on a suit and doing a bit to camera for 5 mins might be the extent of what he has done for days.
    Why even the suit? It’s daft. Especially for Boris. The tie seems to strangle him at one point.

    He should go to bed and leave it to Gove/Raab or ideally Hunt.
    If I thought you genuinely care for Boris health I may think more of your posts
    That’s really uncalled for. Nasty even. My boss tried to plough through a bug last autumn. He nearly died because it impacted his heart valves. He has still not recovered and is now at risk from this bug. Boris shouldn’t muck around. I don’t agree with him, but good grief I don’t wish him ill. He should rest, get well, and do the job.



    I
    I apologise if you think that I thought you wish him harm. I know you do not
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 3,443

    Andy_JS said:

    "Boris Johnson's government is reportedly furious with China and believes it could have 40 times more coronavirus cases than it claims

    UK government officials say there'll be "reckoning" for China over its handling of the coronavirus.
    It has accused of China of spreading disinformation and lying about the number of cases it has.
    Scientists have reportedly warned Johnson that China could have up to 40 times more cases than it says.
    It could prompt the prime minister to abandon his deal with Chinese telecomms company, Huawei."

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

    The apologism and whataboutism over China (on here as well as elsewhere) is shocking.
    Funny how we are furious with China just as we are asking President Trump for favours.
  • glwglw Posts: 6,347
    edited March 29
    kle4 said:

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    I really don't know how technology companies get valued, as some really stupid ones have been worth astronomical amounts.
    Zoom currently has revenue and American airlines do not.

    Zoom is head and shoulders the best videoconferencing software out there.
    Oh for them I get it. I was thinking more of apps of dubious usefulness and no clear way of making money.
    I think Microsoft will do very nicely out of the pandemic.

    We have seen a 775 percent increase of our cloud services in regions that have enforced social distancing or shelter in place orders.


    https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/update-2-on-microsoft-cloud-services-continuity/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 4,868
    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    I think he means 1. The mood and 2. The likelihood of unreported cases and deaths

    If you know NOLA then you know a corona plague there would be devastating. It has almost 3rd world levels of poverty
    I’ve not been there since Katrina but I had read that the city had been gentrified somewhat with a lot of the urban poor displaced.
    I was there for several weeks last autumn. I absolutely loved the city, but the poverty and deprivation is still intense. A lot of it has just been moved a few miles further out of town.
    I went there for a conference pre-flood. Did Lafitte's Blacksmith Shop survive?

    A few of the younger guys wanted an authentic bar and we ended up a few streets from the French Quarter. And realised we had left the zone quite rapidly... a lot of people sobered up quite fast...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,352
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    Yes, I finally got up today feeling bright enough, but putting away the laundry did me in.
    Take it easy. We need you. And the NHS probably does too. But no one needs you more than your family.
    Another colleague down with it today. Never sure whether caught occupationally or socially. I think I caught mine socially, as Mrs Foxy came down with it more or less the same time and we work in different areas.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    edited March 29
    IanB2 said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    eadric said:

    Message from a friend in New Orleans


    “Day nine of two weeks isolation, Lindsey is five days behind that (isolated in a different part of the house). I’m feeling ok but the situation in Nola is awful. Way worse than New York but not being covered in the media. We have a dem governor so trump will make him kiss his boots before sending ventilators...”

    I think that your friend is misinformed. NY has 59k cases and Louisiana has 3540. NY is currently looking like the epicentre of infection of the whole planet.
    Still not serious enough for Trump to lock down the North Eastern Seaboard region or so it would seem.
    But he’s a complete twat so that doesn’t signify anything one way or the other.
    I think any other Post War President would be taking a lockdown of the world epicentre of the pandemic more seriously than Trump.
    Trumps idiocy has allowed Cuomo apparently to get away with vetoing the first proposed stay in place order for New York
    Cuomo's currently high stock will surely decline.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 26,645
    edited March 29
    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
    It’s a balancing act, though, as there comes a point when powerful religion is able to inhibit free thinking and hence slow innovation and invention. Hence catholic Europe overtook the medieval Islamic world but was itself eclipsed by Protestant europe. Or compare North and South America.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 2,956
    IshmaelZ said:

    Some numbers from worldometers, without comment:

    2,836 covid deaths today vs 2,500 suicides, 2,300 malaria deaths, 3,900 HIV, 1,300 seasonal flu.

    Ah, that makes it OK then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 59,922
    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    OK I'm starting to see why so many people get the flu each year.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 13,176

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    You don't have to give The Guardian a cent, it's not behind a paywall.

    Since you won't read the article you won't be able to point out its inaccuracies, but if you had read it you still wouldn't be able to find any either.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Sobering to think that, in about six/seven days, we will know whether the prime minister is likely to die, or not. Ditto the Health Secretary and the CMO.

    With all that means for the leadership of the UK.
    Give it a rest!
    Er, it’s true?

    Statistically, Matt Hanckok is extremely likely to survive, and Boris Johnson is very likely. But there is an unignorable risk that the PM will not.

    Or would you rather we ignore it?

    This site deals with data, not wishful dreams.
    Data? The statistics you have dreamed up over the last few weeks are very much on the outlier side of expectations.

    And I do take the situation seriously.
    Here you go. The death rate for corona sufferers over 50 is 1.3%. Given that Boris has two other significant and relevant conditions: being male (men are 50% more likely to die than women) and being overweight (we know it is material, we just don’t know how much yet), that puts him in my 2-4% category of possible death.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
    Well that's me bolloxed too then!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 22,298
    egg said:

    egg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    You know it has got really bad when you feel like watching the Hans Solo movie. And definitely call 999 if you feel an urge to listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury.




  • isamisam Posts: 32,690

    eadric said:

    tlg86 said:

    Time for another tedious update from me. Writing this crap is helping me, so please indulge me...

    So, my Amazon order for CCS Foot Cream arrived today. Some PBers will recall that I recommended it for dry hands.

    After that, I went to close the gate and spotted nine people and one dog in the lane. One pair appeared to be together but were staying 2m apart.

    I’ve come across a few couples keeping their distance like that, completely stupid and it’s a pain when they don’t feel inclined to get into single file to let you pass.
    Long local walk with the dog today - the only person I saw was a neon lycra-clad cyclist who shot past about 2 feet from me.

    Some things never change.

    Ditto. Is there something about jogging and cycling which makes joggers and cyclists uniquely selfish?
    Yeah. Sense of superiority that they're exercising and therefore healthier and better with you.

    Possible that they're pumped full of adrenaline and testosterone too which makes them more aggressive.
    Crikey, as someone who does both quite a lot I’d have to say it’s never crossed my mind that I’m superior or better than people who do neither. I’d quite like to be able to be comfortable not exercising a lot, but I feel it’s almost essential for my all round well being to do it, and I prefer much cycling to driving
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,352
    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
    There is that, but also the altruism and collective actions of religion foster civilisation.

    I have never had a problem with Darwinism. I think God is clever enough to create systems that improve themselves.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,079

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    You don't have to give The Guardian a cent, it's not behind a paywall.

    Since you won't read the article you won't be able to point out its inaccuracies, but if you had read it you still wouldn't be able to find any either.
    It wont let me read it without paying. They can fuck off.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 2,956
    IanB2 said:

    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
    It’s a balancing act, though, as there comes a point when powerful religion is able to inhibit free thinking and hence slow innovation and invention. Hence catholic Europe overtook the medieval Islamic world but was itself eclipsed by Protestant europe. Or compare North and South America.
    Yes I would agree. I'm thinking of much earlier, more like the time when farming and agriculture was taking hold.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 11,534
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Sobering to think that, in about six/seven days, we will know whether the prime minister is likely to die, or not. Ditto the Health Secretary and the CMO.

    With all that means for the leadership of the UK.
    Give it a rest!
    Er, it’s true?

    Statistically, Matt Hanckok is extremely likely to survive, and Boris Johnson is very likely. But there is an unignorable risk that the PM will not.

    Or would you rather we ignore it?

    This site deals with data, not wishful dreams.
    Data? The statistics you have dreamed up over the last few weeks are very much on the outlier side of expectations.

    And I do take the situation seriously.
    Here you go. The death rate for corona sufferers over 50 is 1.3%. Given that Boris has two other significant and relevant conditions: being male (men are 50% more likely to die than women) and being overweight (we know it is material, we just don’t know how much yet), that puts him in my 2-4% category of possible death.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
    Surely by being in the fraction that display symptoms that increases the likelihood?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 13,176
    eristdoof said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Some numbers from worldometers, without comment:

    2,836 covid deaths today vs 2,500 suicides, 2,300 malaria deaths, 3,900 HIV, 1,300 seasonal flu.

    Ah, that makes it OK then.
    Tbf to @IshmaelZ he needs to pump this comparison out today because in 3 days it just won't look nearly so unworrying.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 26,645
    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    eadric said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:
    Boris gets a bit of respect for me for soldering on and being notably chipper despite obviously being unwell.

    That's leadership. Like him or not.
    Yes but I did note @Foxy saying that when you got this it was very important to rest up and give your body every chance.
    I hope (for his sake) it's all for show and for national morale, and 99% of the time he's resting.

    People need to think their leaders are resilient and invulnerable.
    Sobering to think that, in about six/seven days, we will know whether the prime minister is likely to die, or not. Ditto the Health Secretary and the CMO.

    With all that means for the leadership of the UK.
    Give it a rest!
    Er, it’s true?

    Statistically, Matt Hanckok is extremely likely to survive, and Boris Johnson is very likely. But there is an unignorable risk that the PM will not.

    Or would you rather we ignore it?

    This site deals with data, not wishful dreams.
    Data? The statistics you have dreamed up over the last few weeks are very much on the outlier side of expectations.

    And I do take the situation seriously.
    Here you go. The death rate for corona sufferers over 50 is 1.3%. Given that Boris has two other significant and relevant conditions: being male (men are 50% more likely to die than women) and being overweight (we know it is material, we just don’t know how much yet), that puts him in my 2-4% category of possible death.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
    But the male-female thing appears to derive mostly from lifestyle: smoking, drinking, poor hygiene, and recklessness. Johnson certainly ticks the last, and probably the second last, but not the first.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 13,176

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    You don't have to give The Guardian a cent, it's not behind a paywall.

    Since you won't read the article you won't be able to point out its inaccuracies, but if you had read it you still wouldn't be able to find any either.
    It wont let me read it without paying. They can fuck off.
    Really?? Where are you?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 2,537
    eristdoof said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Some numbers from worldometers, without comment:

    2,836 covid deaths today vs 2,500 suicides, 2,300 malaria deaths, 3,900 HIV, 1,300 seasonal flu.

    Ah, that makes it OK then.
    I said, without comment.
    Set a moron trap, catch a moron.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,079
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    The story is about those who didn’t stay at home.
    And right at the start acknowledges the millions that did.

    Not sure your vicar would approve your language.
    Feel sure that is true.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 14,933
    Foxy said:

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    I really don't know how technology companies get valued, as some really stupid ones have been worth astronomical amounts.
    Zoom currently has revenue and American airlines do not.

    Zoom is head and shoulders the best videoconferencing software out there.
    We did a church business meeting via Zoom. Really worked quite well.
    When the free 40 min was up, it seemed to allow us to Rejoin for free for a continuation meeting.
    If only they enforced that 40min timer paid or not so that ALL meetings were no more than 40mins and it would be perfect.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,028
    Foxy said:

    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
    There is that, but also the altruism and collective actions of religion foster civilisation.

    I have never had a problem with Darwinism. I think God is clever enough to create systems that improve themselves.
    Protestant - Catholic: Sunni - Shia and they're ostensibly the same religions. Religion often stinks.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Nigelb said:

    egg said:

    egg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Thought it was coping OK with quarantine.

    Then I caught myself thinking, "Maybe I should watch The Phantom Menace"

    Seriously worried now

    You know it has got really bad when you feel like watching the Hans Solo movie. And definitely call 999 if you feel an urge to listen to Radiohead live at Glastonbury.





  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 2,956

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    You don't have to give The Guardian a cent, it's not behind a paywall.

    Since you won't read the article you won't be able to point out its inaccuracies, but if you had read it you still wouldn't be able to find any either.
    It wont let me read it without paying. They can fuck off.
    Really?? Where are you?
    UKIP HQ :smiley:
  • isamisam Posts: 32,690
    eadric said:



    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Good grief! 'If he survives'? You are less cheerful than the grim reaper. Let us hope he is on the mend.

    There’s a non-trivial risk he could die. He’s 50-something, male, somewhat overweight.

    I am presuming he has no other co-morbidities but the death rate for all the boxes he ticks is maybe 2-4%.
    Surprised more of his detractors haven’t accused him of putting it on
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 26,645
    edited March 29
    eristdoof said:

    IanB2 said:

    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
    It’s a balancing act, though, as there comes a point when powerful religion is able to inhibit free thinking and hence slow innovation and invention. Hence catholic Europe overtook the medieval Islamic world but was itself eclipsed by Protestant europe. Or compare North and South America.
    Yes I would agree. I'm thinking of much earlier, more like the time when farming and agriculture was taking hold.
    It was certainly key in bringing about the remarkable transformation from relatively equal and participatory hunter gatherer societies to empires with a few powerful wealthy rulers (appointed by god) and many slaves and serfs.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 2,079
    eristdoof said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Typical Guardian mistepresentation
    Our church us closed
    We talk by phone. Our vicar does a service online ..

    I will.never give the shitbag that is the Guardian a cent.
    No need to read the article. The Daily Mail type headline is typical of lazy journalism
    You don't have to give The Guardian a cent, it's not behind a paywall.

    Since you won't read the article you won't be able to point out its inaccuracies, but if you had read it you still wouldn't be able to find any either.
    It wont let me read it without paying. They can fuck off.
    Really?? Where are you?
    UKIP HQ :smiley:
    Lol but I woukdnt give ukip a cent either.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 4,253
    edited March 29
    isam said:

    eadric said:



    eadric said:

    He is obviously unwell.

    If he survives, and guides us to safety through this pestilence, he will become a beloved wartime leader. So, yes, Churchill.
    Good grief! 'If he survives'? You are less cheerful than the grim reaper. Let us hope he is on the mend.

    There’s a non-trivial risk he could die. He’s 50-something, male, somewhat overweight.

    I am presuming he has no other co-morbidities but the death rate for all the boxes he ticks is maybe 2-4%.
    Surprised more of his detractors haven’t accused him of putting it on
    Any politician falsely claiming Covid-19 symptoms would have to be a certified moron.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 16,352
    alterego said:

    Foxy said:

    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice

    (Not my mum.)

    Darwinism in action.
    A theory of mine* is that religion became successful in the first place is because of social darwinism. Populations are more likely to be sucessful are ones with a reasonable level of compliance such as not stealing or killing and general obeying laws. A population with religion obtians this level of compliance quicker.


    *but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come up with it
    There is that, but also the altruism and collective actions of religion foster civilisation.

    I have never had a problem with Darwinism. I think God is clever enough to create systems that improve themselves.
    Protestant - Catholic: Sunni - Shia and they're ostensibly the same religions. Religion often stinks.
    Certainly so, but so does science...
    Humans do not always use their knowledge wisely.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 2,537

    eristdoof said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Some numbers from worldometers, without comment:

    2,836 covid deaths today vs 2,500 suicides, 2,300 malaria deaths, 3,900 HIV, 1,300 seasonal flu.

    Ah, that makes it OK then.
    Tbf to @IshmaelZ he needs to pump this comparison out today because in 3 days it just won't look nearly so unworrying.
    Actually, I already find the figures terrifying, never mind worrying. Bear in mind we have had commenters here in the past 6 weeks ridiculing the risk posed by covid by comparison with Italian road deaths (3,300 road deaths a year, as against - now - 10,000 in 6 weeks) and UK suicide figures (17 suicides a day, as against 209 covid).
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