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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Is that a tweet from the 1950s? The idea of a horseshoe-shaped graph of authoritarianism versus left/right-ness has been around for decades.
    can is doing a LOT of work in that sentence
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2020

    Reported deaths up is also true - up vs weekend and also up vs last week, but the word reported is important.

    Only morons like Piers Morgan base arguments on daily changes in the reported numbers. After 3 months of this, only those who are as thick as shit or deliberately trying to bend facts to support their view use them.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    So now he'll be voting for the arch-Remainer, PC human rights lawyer socialist at the next election, right?
    Definitely not. There is an arrogance from some on the left who think people will just forget Brexit and Starmer's mess because they enjoy a funny meme about an eye test. Ultimately the damage Brexit has done to Labour is far deeper than any issue with Cummings. It is certainly a step in the right direction for Keir to ditch the EU rejoiner loons but he has a long way to go to win back the trust of millions of voters.
  • MimusMimus Posts: 56

    Is that a tweet from the 1950s? The idea of a horseshoe-shaped graph of authoritarianism versus left/right-ness has been around for decades.
    As if there could be 'such a thing' as insight in a previous century. 😄
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059
    The lack of self-awareness is strong in that article.

  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,787
    DougSeal said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    So now he'll be voting for the arch-Remainer, PC human rights lawyer socialist at the next election, right?
    Maybe, but he doesn't have to vote Labour, only split the Tory vote. And your attitude "we can do what we like, they'll never vote Labour" is a little dangerous from your perspective.
    It's like Scottish Labour thinking "we can do what we like, they'll never vote Tory".
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    Sandpit said:

    Sounds worrying. Over-zealous cops not wanting to be filmed, or media provoking the crowd?
    In the clip its very clear - the (black) reporter is polite and calm - says we were here before you arrived - where would you like us to move to? He asks several times - but the (white) cops arrest him - and his team, anyway. On live TV.
    Doesn’t look good for the cops if that’s the full story. Did they miss the classes on freedom of speech and freedom of assembly?

    Only allowable reason for arresting a camera crew, is if they’re inciting the riot - not if they’re reporting on it.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    IshmaelZ said:

    Deafbloke said:

    What price did Cameron pay for the (far more serious) Coulson scandal?

    What was the general level of name recognition for Coulson vs Cummings at the height of the crisis? And wasn't it about stuff that happened before Cameron employed him? With tim and mickpork gone it's a struggle to remember any of the detail.
    Who's this Coulson bloke?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    More on this anti-China pro democracy grouping:

    A new alliance is envisaged by the UK: the D10 group. This would be made up of the G7 democracies plus Australia, South Korea and India. One Johnson confidant argues that ‘done right it creates a plausible alternative for developing nations’ to relying on Chinese tech know-how. Currently, China is expanding its influence in Africa by offering to help build cheap but modern communications infrastructure. The democratic world needs a co-ordinated counter-offer.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/escaping-the-dragon-the-governments-new-approach-to-china
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Anyway, I am off to Edinburgh today for a ceremony by which my devil will become a fully fledged member of the Scottish bar. Normally an event involving a good deal of dining and drinking it is going to be a rather sober, socially distanced affair but I am looking forward to it all the same.

    Laters.


    The Scottish dry bar...
    Oxymoron of the day, unless 'dry' is preceded by 'drunk'.

    Mind you I know some young hipsters in our neighbourhood are planning an alcohol free cocktail bar for when the some sort of normality returns. The East End of Glasgow is changing.
    Coke only?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    IshmaelZ said:

    Deafbloke said:

    What price did Cameron pay for the (far more serious) Coulson scandal?

    What was the general level of name recognition for Coulson vs Cummings at the height of the crisis? And wasn't it about stuff that happened before Cameron employed him? With tim and mickpork gone it's a struggle to remember any of the detail.
    Oh, I forgot about tim. He thought a single political adviser was an electoral game-changer too, didn't he?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059
    Brom said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    So now he'll be voting for the arch-Remainer, PC human rights lawyer socialist at the next election, right?
    Definitely not. There is an arrogance from some on the left who think people will just forget Brexit and Starmer's mess because they enjoy a funny meme about an eye test. Ultimately the damage Brexit has done to Labour is far deeper than any issue with Cummings. It is certainly a step in the right direction for Keir to ditch the EU rejoiner loons but he has a long way to go to win back the trust of millions of voters.
    And there is an arrogance by you on the right thinking that whatever you do the voters won't vote Labour and that Brexit will be an issue at the next election. Also the "mess" as you put it cuts through with, at most, 52% of the electorate.You're taling about an electorate that came very close to electing Jeremy Corbyn in 2017. With a competent leader and the varnish taken off your own Labour could do better than 2017 easily.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059

    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
    "vaccinated against media hysteria". ROFL.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    The thing is that the Dom C theory that most scandals don't cut through, so stuff 'em is true, on average, most of the time.

    Until the one that does cut through happens. And cut-through is pretty unpredictable.

    To take an analogy I think I picked up here, blanking out all "scandals" is like picking up pennies from the path of a steamroller. Most days, you end up ahead. Until the day you don't.

    Incidentally, isn't "misunderstanding low-probability high-hazard events" one of the things Dom accuses the British Governing Class of not getting?
    Scandals work a treat when they justify a mood that was there anyway. Hence the teflon effect in frinstance the Blair Ecclestone affair: the evidence that Blair was a sleazeball was there for all to see, it just wasn't on the list of things people wanted to believe at that stage. Conversely the Stephen Milligan death is shorthand for everything that was wrong with the Major government, despite the fact that no one in their wildest dreams could think up a reason why anyone involved deserved any blame whatever.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
    "vaccinated against media hysteria". ROFL.
    I thought you'd enjoy that metaphor!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,232
    IshmaelZ said:

    Deafbloke said:

    What price did Cameron pay for the (far more serious) Coulson scandal?

    What was the general level of name recognition for Coulson vs Cummings at the height of the crisis? And wasn't it about stuff that happened before Cameron employed him? With tim and mickpork gone it's a struggle to remember any of the detail.
    When all that was going on, a 'sensational' story hit the papers about an unnamed famous couple who were having an affair. Speculation amongst my family on the couple's identity was rife (Boris and Sam Cameron, Boris and George Osborne's wife etc.). When I triumphantly revealed (hat-tip Guido) that it was in fact Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks I received some puzzled blinks and the unanimous response 'Who?'.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
    "vaccinated against media hysteria". ROFL.
    I thought you'd enjoy that metaphor!
    Entertaining, if utterly unconvincing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    Think I know that guy too. And, yes, he's livid. Feels really let down by somebody he had on a pedestal. Which is the bitterest pill of course. We all need heroes and it's hard when one of them disappoints.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Oooh...


  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    Reported deaths up is also true - up vs weekend and also up vs last week, but the word reported is important.

    Only morons like Piers Morgan base arguments on daily changes in the reported numbers. After 3 months of this, only those who are as thick as shit or deliberately trying to bend facts to support their view use them.
    In the case of Piers Morgan your "or" should be "and"
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    edited May 2020
    Brom said:

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
    'Hooray, we wrongfooted our lead over Lab down to 6 pts. Classic Dom Perignons all round!'
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    edited May 2020
    Quincel said:

    Oooh...


    Back lay them both, and hope Biden makes it to the Convention?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,766
    Brom said:

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
    If you think they have been "wrong footing" the press so far you are either even more deluded than I thought or from a completely different planet to everyone else.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
    "vaccinated against media hysteria". ROFL.
    I thought you'd enjoy that metaphor!
    Also the willful misreading of the way public opinion works.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
    "vaccinated against media hysteria". ROFL.
    I thought you'd enjoy that metaphor!
    Entertaining, if utterly unconvincing.
    I think it works pretty well - take the shot, suffer a bit from the side effects, and emerge able to do whatever you like without having to worry about the little buggers :wink:
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 234
    edited May 2020

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    I think Marquee Mark's general point about the press losing their cool and being unable to see through the issue is pretty much bang on. They've absolutely lost it. Lost. It.

    Yep, it's a big moment. The entire Opposition Blob fired everything they had at Cummings, including several kitchen sinks and the BBC's comical 'impartiality', and they could. not. move. him. The Government's ability to ignore any future trumped-up scandals is vastly increased, as is its ability to tell the media to get stuffed if they don't like it.
    So you expect Boris's personal ratings and the Tory polling lead to bounce back rapidly to where they were? Damage temporary?

    I expect there to be at least some bounceback as the outrage fades, perspective returns, the economy reopens, and some semblance of normal social summer life resumes. All the way back to where they were? Probably not, given that the 'rally round the flag' effect was already unwinding even before Cummingsgate. But as I say, I'll happily take that trade in exchange for being vaccinated against media hysteria for the next 4 years.
    "vaccinated against media hysteria". ROFL.
    I thought you'd enjoy that metaphor!
    I don't get it. This is a turning point for the current administration, it won't be forgotten anytime soon.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Brom said:

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
    If you think they have been "wrong footing" the press so far you are either even more deluded than I thought or from a completely different planet to everyone else.
    You appear to have misread my post. Maybe you are a touch simple. I was clearly referring to now that Cummings has stayed they will enjoy some revenge.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,046

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:
    What Johnson said appears to be a flat out untruth, and is directly contradicted by the government guidance published at the time.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/880288/COVID-19_hospital_discharge_service_requirements.pdf

    Annex B: Maintaining good decision making in acute settings

    Every patient on every general ward should be reviewed on a twice daily board round to determine the following. If the answer to each question is ‘no’, active consideration for discharge to a less acute setting must be made.

    Requiring ITU or HDU care Requiring oxygen therapy/ NIV
    Requiring intravenous fluids
    NEWS2 > 3
    (clinical judgement required in patients with AF &/or chronic respiratory disease)
    Diminished level of consciousness where recovery realistic
    Acute functional impairment
    in excess of home/community care provision
    Last hours of life
    Requiring intravenous medication > b.d. (including analgesia)
    Undergone lower limb surgery within 48hrs
    Undergone thorax-abdominal/pelvic surgery with 72 hrs
    Within 24hrs of an invasive procedure
    (with attendant risk of acute life threatening deterioration)
    I suspect Cummings hadn't fully appraised Johnson of the policy.
    Apprised.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Brom said:

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
    'Hooray, we wrongfooted our lead over Lab down to 6 pts. Classic Dom Perignons all round!'
    Christmas is coming and there is NOTHING you can do to prevent it LOL HAHAHAHAHA

    Signed

    A.P.B. Tory - Turkey
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    Brom said:

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
    Sunak doesn't have his own guys, he had to accept Cummings' stooges.

    The fact of the Cabinet being a bunch of spineless homunculi is a bit of a problem when contemplating the Tories winning in 2024 with a fresh leader. There's potential for the governance of the country to deteriorate further when Johnson decides to pack it in.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,766
    Brom said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    So now he'll be voting for the arch-Remainer, PC human rights lawyer socialist at the next election, right?
    Definitely not. There is an arrogance from some on the left who think people will just forget Brexit and Starmer's mess because they enjoy a funny meme about an eye test. Ultimately the damage Brexit has done to Labour is far deeper than any issue with Cummings. It is certainly a step in the right direction for Keir to ditch the EU rejoiner loons but he has a long way to go to win back the trust of millions of voters.
    Yep, you really are hopelessly deluded.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:
    How many new cases per day has France now ?
    We locked down a bit after France so are reopening a bit after too
    That is not an answer to the question.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912
    Brom said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    The snobbery is strong with this post.
    I don't think Dura Ace has ever held back in expressing contempt for people he considers to be worthy of it. It's what makes him such a valued part of this community.
    I do hope though that we hear more of Peter's views. Being a member of the hyper-PC London bubble Remoaner elite blob I don't have much contact with his ilk so I think that it would be wonderful to hear his unfiltered perspective (rather than the slumming it minor public school types and Rush Limbaugh wannabes who populate this forum with their regular update on what the Red Wall thinks, live and direct from their bedroom in the Home Counties).
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368911/Emily-Maitlis-Left-leaning-views-exposed-tweets-retweets-360-000-followers.html

    I do wonder if Maitlis can survive this barrage. Hoist by her own petard it would appear. I believe she is on course to recieve the most Ofcom complaints of all time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    South Africa to be the new Mexico?

    South Africa is wrestling with a huge backlog of coronavirus tests and doctors say this is undermining the country's entire testing scheme.

    Tens of thousands of individual samples are being left for a week or more in laboratories before being tested. A shortage of equipment appears to be the main problem.

    Doctors here say that such long delays render the results worthless. By the time a positive case is confirmed, that person could have passed the virus on to dozens of others and would probably no longer be infectious themselves.

    It's clear that South Africa has developed a serious problem.

    The country had some early successes in containing the pandemic, but the infection rate is rising. Cape Town’s hospitals are now close to being overwhelmed and experts say other major cities are likely to follow suit in the coming weeks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    The thing is that the Dom C theory that most scandals don't cut through, so stuff 'em is true, on average, most of the time.

    Until the one that does cut through happens. And cut-through is pretty unpredictable.

    To take an analogy I think I picked up here, blanking out all "scandals" is like picking up pennies from the path of a steamroller. Most days, you end up ahead. Until the day you don't.

    Incidentally, isn't "misunderstanding low-probability high-hazard events" one of the things Dom accuses the British Governing Class of not getting?
    Well, you have to admit that's one thing he's right about.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    Sandpit said:

    Quincel said:

    Oooh...


    Lay them both, and hope Biden makes it to the Convention?

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    edited May 2020
    Solar energy generating 32% of the UK's electricity. Never seen it as high as that before.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2020
    Brom said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368911/Emily-Maitlis-Left-leaning-views-exposed-tweets-retweets-360-000-followers.html

    I do wonder if Maitlis can survive this barrage. Hoist by her own petard it would appear. I believe she is on course to recieve the most Ofcom complaints of all time.

    She will be fine. BBC protect their own. Alan Yentob is still there despite being involved in far bigger issues. And if they throw Maitlis under the bus, there are loads more who don't do a very good job of hiding their biases on the social medias.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    Brom said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368911/Emily-Maitlis-Left-leaning-views-exposed-tweets-retweets-360-000-followers.html

    I do wonder if Maitlis can survive this barrage. Hoist by her own petard it would appear. I believe she is on course to recieve the most Ofcom complaints of all time.

    Ah, righties back to quoting the Mail as an authority.

    Nature is healing.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Brom said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OllyT said:



    All the polling indicates that this issue cut right through, it was anything but a "Westminster bubble", it got huge traction. You believe that it has made the government look stronger by ignoring what a huge majority of people right across the political divide felt about the issue, we will see.

    I am friends with a guy called Peter on Facebook who is just your standard thick as pig shit leaver. I am not sure how he ended up there, maybe he's a friend of a relative. Anyway, he is a reliable poster of all manner of Brexit and poppy related crap. He loves nurses, lorry drivers, key workers and funny looking kids that are missing limbs. He hates the EU, Corbyn and anything that can be construed as political correctness. Traditionally there has been no emoji that adequately expresses the intensity of his fondness for Johnson.

    This week he has been reposting Barnard Castle Eye Test memes with glee. That's how deep this has cut.
    The snobbery is strong with this post.
    I don't think Dura Ace has ever held back in expressing contempt for people he considers to be worthy of it. It's what makes him such a valued part of this community.
    I do hope though that we hear more of Peter's views. Being a member of the hyper-PC London bubble Remoaner elite blob I don't have much contact with his ilk so I think that it would be wonderful to hear his unfiltered perspective (rather than the slumming it minor public school types and Rush Limbaugh wannabes who populate this forum with their regular update on what the Red Wall thinks, live and direct from their bedroom in the Home Counties).
    Who are the public school types? People like Dura Ace will always call things wrong because they don't try and understand those that think differently. If Labour tried harder to understand the electorate then low and behold they might become electable. It's simple stuff.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:



    1.5 million people died of TB in 2018.

    I think locking down to suppress the virus is probably the right thing to do in the short-term. Shutting down for the long-term is a different question - and there I think the question of overreaction, risk, the costs of doing so, the purpose of life etc should be taken into account. That is what my last thread header was about. It was roundly ignored because of Cummings but it is, even if I am the one saying so, a necessary debate.

    Yes, it really is - thanks Cyclefree. There's a fascinating new poll out on how public thinking is shifting (apols if already linked):

    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/uk-public-still-staying-home-huge-degree-and-even-getting-used-lockdown-life-new-data-reveals

    Broadly speaking, people are starting to envisage life very differently, including children home-schooled for "the very long term", sports events without spectators, bars with permanent restrictions, etc. One can argue whether they're right to shift like this (it does look as though they overestimate the risk of hospitalisation if they catch the virus), but it's pretty significant.

    We all project what we think most people feel according to our own feelings and those of people close to us, but the basic message here seems to be "We're still very scared and we'll put up with whatever restrictions it takes to keep us safe".
    And if that is the case, then the government has to make a decision about whether - as suggested by you in a posting - you support those affected sectors for a long while. Or let them go to the wall. Or provide some form of compensation for those which cannot operate so that they can do something else instead.

    My view FWIW is a combination of the 1st and 3rd plus the other measures outlined yesterday.

    Letting whole sectors go to the wall is not something I support because the economic, social, personal and health costs of this are enormous and long-term. But I fear it will be the way this government will choose, through a lack of understanding as much as anything else.
    Except that is not true is it, through the furlough scheme this Government has intervened more than any Tory government since Macmillan and provided far more support to businesses and workers than many other governments have
    True - and they are to be praised for that.

    I am thinking of what happens next. I hope the government does not undo the good work of the furlough scheme.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    DougSeal said:

    twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1266329158814228480

    Nothing to do with the Daily Star change of ownership?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,878
    Ever heard of Stalin? Chairman Mao?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    Brom said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368911/Emily-Maitlis-Left-leaning-views-exposed-tweets-retweets-360-000-followers.html

    I do wonder if Maitlis can survive this barrage. Hoist by her own petard it would appear. I believe she is on course to recieve the most Ofcom complaints of all time.

    She will be fine. BBC protect their own. Alan Yentob is still there despite being involved in far bigger issues.
    Indeed, they only ever call for the heads of others, never their own.

    Going hard for Cummings and missing, may not turn out with hindsight to have been the BBC’s best long term strategy.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Brom said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368911/Emily-Maitlis-Left-leaning-views-exposed-tweets-retweets-360-000-followers.html

    I do wonder if Maitlis can survive this barrage. Hoist by her own petard it would appear. I believe she is on course to recieve the most Ofcom complaints of all time.

    Ah, righties back to quoting the Mail as an authority.

    Nature is healing.
    Sorry, forgot that The National and it's daily sales circulation of 12 copies is the correct propaganda to quote rather than Britain's best selling paper. Perhaps you'd prefer it if I just embedded Wings over Scotland tweets all day.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,878

    Scott_xP said:
    Hospital admissions up?
    What data is that based on?
    Slight uptick in London?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,766
    Brom said:

    Brom said:

    I imagine by that point that No 10 will be releasing hourly bulletins on the progress of the dear leader (de facto).
    Number 10 are going to enjoy wrong footing the press and keep them all guessing. I reckon he will go when Boris steps down in 2023/2024 and Sunak or whoever else will bring in their own guy.
    If you think they have been "wrong footing" the press so far you are either even more deluded than I thought or from a completely different planet to everyone else.
    You appear to have misread my post. Maybe you are a touch simple. I was clearly referring to now that Cummings has stayed they will enjoy some revenge.
    Irony alert! Died in the wool Brexit believer calls someone simple. haha. Take the beam out of your own eye thicko. There is a reason why there is a high proportion of the less educated that share your simplistic view of the world. Your posts typify the general ignorance of many that support the populist buffoons that have taken over the Conservative Party. The less stupid Brexit leaning Tories have started to realise Johnson is hopeless and will soon be a liability. Winning an election against crap opposition is one thing, governing in the interest of the country is something that is clearly too complicated for the lazy fat oaf. You are too stupid or myopic to see it. Please test your eyes before taking a car journey!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,046
    Scott_xP said:

    Curious. Where's this 'Mighty Boris versus The Media' thing coming from? (One or two Boris admirers on here have also been relentlessly pushing it.) The media were also overwhelmingly hostile to the Iraq War, so are we now canonizing Tone for his defiance on that occasion? This all smacks of inventing imaginary adversaries for Boris to conquer. His supporters should be concerned that they feel the need to do this.

    Indeed, but I was also referring to the subject matter he picked

    https://twitter.com/BBCSimonJack/status/1266292822165995522

    All the Brexiteers rejoicing at the closure of the Barcelona plant failed to notice that they didn't say production was moving to Sunderland. In their call, Nissan mentioned Sunderland, er, not at all...

    So if BoZo shielding Cummings is the same as Sunderland voting for Brexit, that may not work out to his advantage.
    You're really longing for that factory to close with the accompanying job losses aren't you? And you're not alone. How did you get here?
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367881/BBC-appoint-former-head-global-news-review-impartiality-policy.html

    A top former BBC executive has been appointed to review how the corporation maintains impartiality on social media, after several recent cases of journalists being accused of sharing their own opinions.

    Richard Sambrook, currently director of journalism at Cardiff University and a former director of global news, will be tasked with assessing whether the BBC's social media accounts are going against its impartiality policy.

    It comes after Newsnight host Emily Maitlis was censured by BBC bosses for her monologue criticising Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson for the former's alleged breach of coronavirus lockdown.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2020
    Brom said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367881/BBC-appoint-former-head-global-news-review-impartiality-policy.html

    A top former BBC executive has been appointed to review how the corporation maintains impartiality on social media, after several recent cases of journalists being accused of sharing their own opinions.

    Richard Sambrook, currently director of journalism at Cardiff University and a former director of global news, will be tasked with assessing whether the BBC's social media accounts are going against its impartiality policy.

    It comes after Newsnight host Emily Maitlis was censured by BBC bosses for her monologue criticising Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson for the former's alleged breach of coronavirus lockdown.

    They could have at least pretended to get somebody impartial...perhaps Alan Rusbridger, although he might be too busy doing all this impartial grand jury stuff for Facebook.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,059

    DougSeal said:

    twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1266329158814228480

    Nothing to do with the Daily Star change of ownership?
    Hasn't impacted the Express. Or has that become an anti-Tory remoaner rag while I wasn't looking?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,046

    Offer a path to Chinese citizenship to UK passport holders?

    The offer isn't to "Hong Kong residents" but to "British National Overseas" passport holders.
    Come one come all I say. I wanted Northern Ireland to become the new Hong Kong - maybe it can be literal.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    DougSeal said:

    twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1266329158814228480

    Nothing to do with the Daily Star change of ownership?
    Not really it's always been more entertainment than news - it now seems that taking the mickey out of Cummings is entertainment for those people who would prefer to be out with their mates.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Scott_xP said:

    Curious. Where's this 'Mighty Boris versus The Media' thing coming from? (One or two Boris admirers on here have also been relentlessly pushing it.) The media were also overwhelmingly hostile to the Iraq War, so are we now canonizing Tone for his defiance on that occasion? This all smacks of inventing imaginary adversaries for Boris to conquer. His supporters should be concerned that they feel the need to do this.

    Indeed, but I was also referring to the subject matter he picked

    https://twitter.com/BBCSimonJack/status/1266292822165995522

    All the Brexiteers rejoicing at the closure of the Barcelona plant failed to notice that they didn't say production was moving to Sunderland. In their call, Nissan mentioned Sunderland, er, not at all...

    So if BoZo shielding Cummings is the same as Sunderland voting for Brexit, that may not work out to his advantage.
    You're really longing for that factory to close with the accompanying job losses aren't you? And you're not alone. How did you get here?
    Scott will only be happy when all UK jobs will be lost. Every job created since 2016 is a failure and the low unemployment rate has been eating away at him.

    Every Brit should be pleased about the Nissan news. It certainly takes a special kind of person to be angry when jobs are saved and created.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Reported deaths up is also true - up vs weekend and also up vs last week, but the word reported is important.

    Only morons like Piers Morgan base arguments on daily changes in the reported numbers. After 3 months of this, only those who are as thick as shit or deliberately trying to bend facts to support their view use them.
    Oh, not arguing with that- as I had hoped my post had made clear.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    Maybe I do have to explain every last detail?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,881
    Is Keir going to come out and say we are lifting the lockdown too early?
    Big test for him.

    Whilst it seems clear we were late into lockdown, it is notable that there was very little clamour for it before the govt announced it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 14,878

    Reported deaths up is also true - up vs weekend and also up vs last week, but the word reported is important.

    Key point is to use the average to smooth the daily fluctuations, and acknowledge the effect of the 3 day weekend. Three days of very low numbers now being corrected on the daily reporteded number (as most of us understand, the daily announced did not all die in the last 24 hours). Not sure how many in the art graduate media understand this...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2020
    rkrkrk said:

    Is Keir going to come out and say we are lifting the lockdown too early?
    Big test for him.

    Whilst it seems clear we were late into lockdown, it is notable that there was very little clamour for it before the govt announced it.

    Really? I think there is a lot of desire to be able to at least sit in your parents / friends gardens and catch up. There was a lot of annoyance that the rules stated you could do that in the park with one other person, but not more, when we first had the loosening of the rules.

    In fact, I think the government are following the public, not the other way around, as I think a lot of people are already meeting up in outside spaces.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,046
    DougSeal said:
    That cut out mask front page really irritated me. For starters, it's not a front on angle. So the mask would look stupid. Then, they go and stick a text bubble over half the chin. Fine idea, extremely poorly executed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    A desperate man shouts and flails as the waves pull him ever down.
    We see only the top of his head now.
    Soon it will disappear and he will be gone.
    Just wisps of yellow straw floating on the water.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748

    DougSeal said:
    That cut out mask front page really irritated me. For starters, it's not a front on angle. So the mask would look stupid. Then, they go and stick a text bubble over half the chin. Fine idea, extremely poorly executed.
    Tbh I don't think they were expecting anyone to actually cut out Dom's pus and turn it into a mask.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2020
    I am sure Iran's issues have nothing to do with this...which bit of mass gatherings inside is how this bastard spreads effectively don't they get?

    All Iran mosques set to reopen on Tuesday (11 May 2020)

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/iran-mosques-set-reopen-tuesday-200511173810576.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574
    edited May 2020
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lockdown causes mounting tensions as survey shows Britons have turned on neighbours, drunk more and gained weight"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/28/lockdown-causes-mounting-tensions-survey-shows-britons-have/

    I've maintained a steady 11 stone througout lockdown :innocent:
    38% of Britons are now wearing masks? That surprises me, it's not the case in central London or Penarth. But I hope it is true
    That is surely from an opinion poll where 38% will have acknowledged/remembered having worn a mask at some point.

    NFW have I seen over a third of people wearing masks, indoors or outdoors, either.

    No doubt quite a few still in work are obliged to wear them by their employers, which might have something to do with the statistic.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,881

    rkrkrk said:

    Is Keir going to come out and say we are lifting the lockdown too early?
    Big test for him.

    Whilst it seems clear we were late into lockdown, it is notable that there was very little clamour for it before the govt announced it.

    Really? I think there is a lot of desire to be able to at least sit in your parents / friends gardens and catch up. There was a lot of annoyance that the rules stated you could do that in the park with one other person, but not more, when we first had the loosening of the rules.

    In fact, I think the government are following the public, not the other way around, as I think a lot of people are already meeting up in outside spaces.
    I'm sure there is a big desire (and I suspect there is limited spread in terms of catching up in the way you describe).

    I'm more thinking about opening non-essential shops and schools.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614

    I am sure Iran's issues have nothing to do with this...which bit of mass gatherings inside is how this bastard spreads effectively don't they get?

    All Iran mosques set to reopen on Tuesday (11 May 2020)

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/iran-mosques-set-reopen-tuesday-200511173810576.html

    Definitely nothing to do with the week-long Eid holiday at the end of Ramadan, which has just finished...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    Good figures from Germany. Just 43 new cases.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,836
    eadric said:

    Absolutely no seasonality. Second wave coming?
    South Korea had its highest number of new infections in 50 days yesterday. From an admittedly much lower starting point.
    They've closed schools less than a week after opening up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    Jeezo.

    https://twitter.com/DrPhilGoff/status/1266317580450566146?s=20

    The cop's name being Chauvin is a miserable coincidence.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574
    edited May 2020
    eadric said:

    Still kicking off in Mexico too

    https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1266032618614767617?s=20

    This is exactly what happened with Spanish flu. The first wave subsided in the north, leaving some to think that it was gone. But no. The bug went south for its holidays, ravaging India and the like.

    Suitably tanned and refreshed, the virus then returned north, and did its deadliest attack yet.

    There are signs it has far from subsided in the US - for example increased hospitalisations in several states.

    And, of course, there's the Imbecile in Chief...

    https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1266178360562126848
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,343
    edited May 2020

    Ever heard of Stalin? Chairman Mao?
    Amazing.

    The more interesting question is this: When it comes to authoritarianism, and various other unpleasant and illiberal qualities, do the terms 'left' and 'right' have any useful meaning? Surely the normal centrist/centre left/centre right etc have loads more in common with each other than they do with these authoritarians who are labelled 'left' and 'right'.

    Only the NS could think that we normally think of 'authoritarians' as only being on the 'right'.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,087
    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1266329158814228480

    Nothing to do with the Daily Star change of ownership?
    Not really it's always been more entertainment than news - it now seems that taking the mickey out of Cummings is entertainment for those people who would prefer to be out with their mates.
    And that's the danger. The wider public know who Cummings is, that he's a wrongun and that BoJo has nailed his trousers to the Cummings mast.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Piers not knowing the difference between the BBC and ITV. Worrying but not surprising.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    dixiedean said:

    eadric said:

    Absolutely no seasonality. Second wave coming?
    South Korea had its highest number of new infections in 50 days yesterday. From an admittedly much lower starting point.
    They've closed schools less than a week after opening up.
    Doesn't this still all come back to the night club incident. Somebody from there, then went to work at a factory (I want to say again a meat processing factory) and infected a load of people?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1266335679547670530

    How would they know, given they test bugger all people....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Brom said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8367881/BBC-appoint-former-head-global-news-review-impartiality-policy.html

    A top former BBC executive has been appointed to review how the corporation maintains impartiality on social media, after several recent cases of journalists being accused of sharing their own opinions.

    Richard Sambrook, currently director of journalism at Cardiff University and a former director of global news, will be tasked with assessing whether the BBC's social media accounts are going against its impartiality policy.

    It comes after Newsnight host Emily Maitlis was censured by BBC bosses for her monologue criticising Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson for the former's alleged breach of coronavirus lockdown.

    Johnson fails to apologize for lying. BBC apologizes for telling the truth. Funny old world.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,199
    Andy_JS said:

    Good figures from Germany. Just 43 new cases.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

    unlikely
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880

    DougSeal said:
    That cut out mask front page really irritated me. For starters, it's not a front on angle. So the mask would look stupid. Then, they go and stick a text bubble over half the chin. Fine idea, extremely poorly executed.
    Tbh I don't think they were expecting anyone to actually cut out Dom's pus and turn it into a mask.
    Rishi wears it on Zoom when he wants to have his ideas taken seriously by Johnson.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,002
    Scott_xP said:
    Drakesford has failed the people of Wales in every aspect of covid

    And this is at his door, lock stock and barrel
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,574

    I am sure Iran's issues have nothing to do with this...which bit of mass gatherings inside is how this bastard spreads effectively don't they get?

    All Iran mosques set to reopen on Tuesday (11 May 2020)

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/iran-mosques-set-reopen-tuesday-200511173810576.html

    The same bit that Trump doesn't, apparently.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    DougSeal said:
    That cut out mask front page really irritated me. For starters, it's not a front on angle. So the mask would look stupid. Then, they go and stick a text bubble over half the chin. Fine idea, extremely poorly executed.
    Bloody funny strap line on their main headline though... Shock news for Britain's ruling elite...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Lots of embarrassment all round...

    In a sex fantasy gone wrong, two men with machetes entered the wrong house in New South Wales, Australia, before quickly realising their error.

    They had been hired to carry out a client's fantasy of being tied up in his underwear and stroked with a broom.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-52843846
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    Brom said:

    Piers not knowing the difference between the BBC and ITV. Worrying but not surprising.
    Not knowing the difference between news reporting and opinion pieces either, which is equally worrying.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    He's really gone off the deep end, hasn't he?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,836

    dixiedean said:

    eadric said:

    Absolutely no seasonality. Second wave coming?
    South Korea had its highest number of new infections in 50 days yesterday. From an admittedly much lower starting point.
    They've closed schools less than a week after opening up.
    Doesn't this still all come back to the night club incident. Somebody from there, then went to work at a factory (I want to say again a meat processing factory) and infected a load of people?
    I'm not sure. However this and the Iranian situation rather put paid to the hope that if we get the numbers down and go back to normal it will go away.
    It won't.
    And meatpacking is a bloody disaster zone. Who wants to eat stuff prepared in such unhygienic settings?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,836

    eek said:

    DougSeal said:

    twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1266329158814228480

    Nothing to do with the Daily Star change of ownership?
    Not really it's always been more entertainment than news - it now seems that taking the mickey out of Cummings is entertainment for those people who would prefer to be out with their mates.
    And that's the danger. The wider public know who Cummings is, that he's a wrongun and that BoJo has nailed his trousers to the Cummings mast.
    Dom's a celebrity now.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,287

    Lots of embarrassment all round...

    In a sex fantasy gone wrong, two men with machetes entered the wrong house in New South Wales, Australia, before quickly realising their error.

    They had been hired to carry out a client's fantasy of being tied up in his underwear and stroked with a broom.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-52843846

    They walk amongst us...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,280
    "Lionel Shriver
    Is living without risk really living at all?" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-living-without-risk-really-living-at-all-
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