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malcolmg
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Most people want to stay in EU, in the UK or independent. Personally I would like to see a No Deal as that will guarantee independence for sure.Omnium said:@malcolmg, and @stewartdickson
There's an interesting thing here in that Brexit makes Scottish independence harder - you'd be a new country, and yet it makes it easier in terms of you'll get it through.
I imagine that there might be SNP factions which urge Leave - incite the rebellion, and those that urge Remain - smoothly does it. Is this a thing?0 -
kinabalu
Posts: 44,587
Yes he's knocked Johnson and his braindead crap off the headlines. Result.justin124 said:No idea what lies ahead , but Corbyn has rather rattled the cage today and put Swinson on the back foot. First time for quite a while that he has 'made the political weather'.
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If too many of those who want to stop Brexit are more concerned about stopping him becoming PM it will stop Brexit being stopped.0 -
Foxy
Posts: 51,026
The Facebook pixel is basically spyware that tracks your data and interests everywhere. I think that you have to actively log out of FB to stop it, and even then I have my doubts.
https://blog.hootsuite.com/facebook-pixel/0 -
OldKingCole
Posts: 34,487
I have world-wide family and friends with whom I keep in tough via Facebook. Understand what you mean, though.Ishmael_Z said:
A disappointing attitude. As Forster nearly said: If I had to choose between betraying facebook and betraying PB I hope I should have the guts to betray facebook..
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GIN1138
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I've been unable to post on the embed on PB.Com with Google Chrome but can post with Firefox (using Windows 10)rural_voter said:
I'm still unable to read the comments on politicalbetting.com, which is the site I used to use and where the last comment was at the top, etc, etc. As when accessing PB in the last 5-6 years, I'm using a Lenovo laptop with Firefox and Windows 7.
To read comments, I have to use
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7880/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-small-minds-and-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-s-latest-gambit/p6?
This wrror is the reason Google Chrome won't load the embed:
Refused to display 'https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/embed/?c=1565894393948&vanilla_identifier=113853&vanilla_url=http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/08/15/small-minds-and-brexit-jeremy-corbyns-latest-gambit/' in a frame because an ancestor violates the following Content Security Policy directive: "frame-ancestors 'self' www2.politicalbetting.com *politicalbetting.com".
Worryingly Firefox also have the same error but in the case of FF it's just a warning at the moment rather than an actual refusal to display as it is on Google Chrome.
Though where Google leads everyone else eventually follows so sooner or later FF will stop the eembed from loading.0 -
Foxy
Posts: 51,026
I am increasingl pissed off with Facebook spreading like a cancer into everything.ydoethur said:
Why would you want to? I post very little in FB, and certainly I save my awesome punning and cricketing skills for here. Ripped out of context they would be meaningless anyway.
And now it seems to have disappeared. Has @rcs1000 done something clever or is it a temporary improvement?
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justin124
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No idea what lies ahead , but Corbyn has rather rattled the cage today and put Swinson on the back foot. First time for quite a while that he has 'made the political weather'.0 -
Ishmael_Z
Posts: 8,981
A disappointing attitude. As Forster nearly said: If I had to choose between betraying facebook and betraying PB I hope I should have the guts to betray facebook..OldKingCole said:
So if I don’t press the Facebook button the post doesn’t go there. What happens to the posts quoted. I’m with Mr MM (I think); if my identity is going to be linked on F/B I’m out of here!0 -
rural_voter
Posts: 2,038
It's probably possible to have reciprocal arrangements with countries that have universal healthcare free or virtually free at the point of use, like Sweden, Finland or some countries in the south.Charles said:
Many parts of the EU charge U.K. citizens at present , sometimes with reimbursement via EHIC. asking people to contribute to the cost of their care, either via taxation or directly, is not unreasonable
I can't see how they could do it with France or Germany which have private insurance, private hospitals and doctors and although the government regulates it and pays for most of your care it's a huge admin. load. Germans visiting Scotland for free treatment but German hospitals charging visiting Scots the normal fee for the same operation wouldn't go down well.0 -
ydoethur
Posts: 73,208
To delete drafts, you can go here:rural_voter said:
I'm still unable to read the comments on politicalbetting.com, which is the site I used to use and where the last comment was at the top, etc, etc. As when accessing PB in the last 5-6 years, I'm using a Lenovo laptop with Firefox and Windows 7.
To read comments, I have to use
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7880/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-small-minds-and-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-s-latest-gambit/p6?
and I notice that if I make a draft comment but decide not to post it, and just delete it, the text is still there if I reload the page or do all sorts of things. It's even there if I come back later and want to post a comment; the old text is at the top of the comment box.
Private Eye once revealed I think that Facebook spies on users' thoughts by doing this. One can write something on screen, decide not to send it in a message but Facebook knows exactly what was written. If you drafted a message three times, and still didn't send it, FB probably has three sets of text.
So I'm not at all happy with Vanilla doing the same. It's probably breaching all sorts of UK and EU laws ... but maybe not any US laws as they don't seem to take electronic privacy seriously at all (spam is still legal up to a point).
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com
On the left hand side, there is a button called 'drafts'. Select, and it will show you all saved drafts. Hover the mouse over them and click on the little cross that appears.
A bit cumbersome but easier than deleting.
Alternatively select all, delete, type a full stop and 'save draft.'0 -
Nigelb
Posts: 76,321
It’s as though President Trump is utterly powerless...
The news media apparently have the power to crash the economy behind his back:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/15/trump-economy-recession-stock-market-media-1464577
And how is that the criminal HRC still able to run around, able even to arrange the murder of a Presidential friend in the safety of a federal prison ?0 -
OldKingCole
Posts: 34,487
So if I don’t press the Facebook button the post doesn’t go there. What happens to the posts quoted. I’m with Mr MM (I think); if my identity is going to be linked on F/B I’m out of here!Ishmael_Z said:
It says if you log in to FB, you can automatically share or retweet or whatever tf they call it the post in question.0 -
ydoethur
Posts: 73,208
Have they blocked it off to the English yet...Alistair said:I'm just waiting for the explination as to why the SNP making the NHS free to use for Europeans post Brexit is really evidence of their small minded xenophobic inward looking destructive nationalism.
I'm sure the usual suspects are working on the article now.
...the way they have with tuition fees?0 -
rural_voter
Posts: 2,038
I'm still unable to read the comments on politicalbetting.com, which is the site I used to use and where the last comment was at the top, etc, etc. As when accessing PB in the last 5-6 years, I'm using a Lenovo laptop with Firefox and Windows 7.rcs1000 said:
Vanilla adde the Facebook button. I have no idea what it does, but to play it safe I won't be pressing it.
To read comments, I have to use
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/7880/politicalbetting-com-blog-archive-small-minds-and-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-s-latest-gambit/p6?
and I notice that if I make a draft comment but decide not to post it, and just delete it, the text is still there if I reload the page or do all sorts of things. It's even there if I come back later and want to post a comment; the old text is at the top of the comment box.
Private Eye once revealed I think that Facebook spies on users' thoughts by doing this. One can write something on screen, decide not to send it in a message but Facebook knows exactly what was written. If you drafted a message three times, and still didn't send it, FB probably has three sets of text.
So I'm not at all happy with Vanilla doing the same. It's probably breaching all sorts of UK and EU laws ... but maybe not any US laws as they don't seem to take electronic privacy seriously at all (spam is still legal up to a point).0 -
ydoethur
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Why would you want to? I post very little in FB, and certainly I save my awesome punning and cricketing skills for here. Ripped out of context they would be meaningless anyway.Ishmael_Z said:
It says if you log in to FB, you can automatically share or retweet or whatever tf they call it the post in question.
And now it seems to have disappeared. Has @rcs1000 done something clever or is it a temporary improvement?0 -
Alistair
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I'm just waiting for the explination as to why the SNP making the NHS free to use for Europeans post Brexit is really evidence of their small minded xenophobic inward looking destructive nationalism.
I'm sure the usual suspects are working on the article now.0 -
MarqueeMark
Posts: 54,357
Anyway, sod politics, off to the British Fireworks Championships in Plymouth. The past six winners, going head to head over two nights. Should be a belter!
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GIN1138
Posts: 22,823
Presumably it's like a "share button" to share posts on your Facebook page.MarqueeMark said:
Agreed. Last thing I want here is to be linked to Facebook. If it somehow links to who I am on Facebook, that will be last time I post on here.
You'd have to give permission first though (and probably sign into your FB account) It wouldn't do it just by clicking on the button.0 -
Stark_Dawning
Posts: 9,963
It takes you to the Facebook login page. Presumably, once you login to your FB account, the PB post you selected is made visible to your FB followers.rcs1000 said:
Vanilla adde the Facebook button. I have no idea what it does, but to play it safe I won't be pressing it.0 -
Omnium
Posts: 11,449
@malcolmg, and @stewartdickson
There's an interesting thing here in that Brexit makes Scottish independence harder - you'd be a new country, and yet it makes it easier in terms of you'll get it through.
I imagine that there might be SNP factions which urge Leave - incite the rebellion, and those that urge Remain - smoothly does it. Is this a thing?0 -
twistedfirestopper3
Posts: 2,500
I've just pressed it on your post-it took me to my FaceAche page to share your post. Is there no way you can bin it off? I prefer to keep my social media from talking to each other, to be honest.rcs1000 said:
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rcs1000
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I was sketching the wide range of possible outcomes, from Johnson with a handsome majority, to Swison striding into Downing Street.malcolmg said:
Well you were talking about them being the government, they may end up with similar amount as they have now and perhaps a few more but will be miles and miles from being of any importance.
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rcs1000
Posts: 59,156
Vanilla adde the Facebook button. I have no idea what it does, but to play it safe I won't be pressing it.MarqueeMark said:
Agreed. Last thing I want here is to be linked to Facebook. If it somehow links to who I am on Facebook, that will be last time I post on here.0 -
nichomar
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Must be a different ch4 interview to the one I watched, you are not an objective commentator nor am I but your view is completely rubbish she handled the interview well and a damn sight better than the labour front bench spokesman that followed.Brom said:Swinson having a car crash interview on Channel 4 news, pretty much caught lying about a personal conversation with Harriet Harman going behind Corbyn's back to become leader. If this is Krishnan taking her to the cleaners imagine what a top class interviewer would do. Really think those on the fence will vote Lib Dem despite not because of her.
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malcolmg
Posts: 44,020
I have said on here previously and repeat again she is an absolute duffer.Brom said:Swinson having a car crash interview on Channel 4 news, pretty much caught lying about a personal conversation with Harriet Harman going behind Corbyn's back to become leader. If this is Krishnan taking her to the cleaners imagine what a top class interviewer would do. Really think those on the fence will vote Lib Dem despite not because of her.
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Roger
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You make a good point that seems to have been missed. This isn't about being a poor leader an anti semite or a Marxist but he's about the flakiest member of Parliament on Brexit there is. While all other parties bust a gut to stop us leaving he was on holiday. We need a leader who is committed
However what his letter has done is changed the dynamics dramatically. We are no longer looking at Johnson's gimmicks threats and stunts. We are now concentrating on how to put a stop to him and we are now significantly closer
(*PS Joe Swinson is getting better by the day)0 -
Charles
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Many parts of the EU charge U.K. citizens at present , sometimes with reimbursement via EHIC. asking people to contribute to the cost of their care, either via taxation or directly, is not unreasonablemalcolmg said:
We would not want to be seen to be isolationist , it really is very poor show.
Scotland wants to be part of Europe.0 -
Charles
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Isn’t Steve Bray that full time protestor rather than a hack?Theuniondivvie said:Hacks not quite as respectful as they used to be.
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malcolmg
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We would not want to be seen to be isolationist , it really is very poor show.Charles said:
It’s fine on an individual level but more challenging when you aggregate. Of course no one denies emergency medicine and acute care, but to have an open door policy on chronic care is a significant financial commitment. I’d rather see that money spent on better education or housing or whatever for taxpayers
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Brom
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Swinson having a car crash interview on Channel 4 news, pretty much caught lying about a personal conversation with Harriet Harman going behind Corbyn's back to become leader. If this is Krishnan taking her to the cleaners imagine what a top class interviewer would do. Really think those on the fence will vote Lib Dem despite not because of her.0 -
Stuartinromford
Posts: 18,241
No Parliament for six weeks while Brexit plans are put in place? I should coco.eek said:
I think the idea of a VONC in September is insane. It would be a lot easier to let the clock run down until October 7th when with the clock ticking even Boris has admitted defeat and he is not aiming for No Deal or the head of steam is sufficient that a working avoid No Deal plan has been agreed by everyone required.
And the answer to any request for an election in September is that you could have called that back in July. Get a 2+ month extension to December 31st then we can talk..0 -
Charles
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Regulation is not an issue - you just grandfather in all currently EMA approved productsFoxy said:
Ditto. What is that button for?
I think the Scottish approach to Europeans needing the NHS is purely pragmatic. The registration of EU nationals is only 30% complete, and there is no easy way in the meantime to sift those who have been resident for years from temporary tourists. Until the registration is completed, it is a sane bit of No Deal planning.
I am not convinced by Boris's planes. Medicines and medical equipment are constrainedby customs and regulatory issues, not traffic jams. Not that I expect any, because most lorries won't go until documentation is complete.0 -
Charles
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It’s fine on an individual level but more challenging when you aggregate. Of course no one denies emergency medicine and acute care, but to have an open door policy on chronic care is a significant financial commitment. I’d rather see that money spent on better education or housing or whatever for taxpayersmalcolmg said:
Who cares we have hearts we will not refuse sick people treatment.0 -
notme2
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What an unpleasant man. Is that an actual journalist?Theuniondivvie said:Hacks not quite as respectful as they used to be.
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Theuniondivvie
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Hacks not quite as respectful as they used to be.
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Foxy
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Ditto. What is that button for?MarqueeMark said:
Agreed. Last thing I want here is to be linked to Facebook. If it somehow links to who I am on Facebook, that will be last time I post on here.
I think the Scottish approach to Europeans needing the NHS is purely pragmatic. The registration of EU nationals is only 30% complete, and there is no easy way in the meantime to sift those who have been resident for years from temporary tourists. Until the registration is completed, it is a sane bit of No Deal planning.
I am not convinced by Boris's planes. Medicines and medical equipment are constrainedby customs and regulatory issues, not traffic jams. Not that I expect any, because most lorries won't go until documentation is complete.
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ydoethur
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FTFYOmnium said:
It's not all he's going to do. In fact he'll never do it.
Corbyn just doesn't care about the EU or Brexit. He'll be a caretaker forever. What Corbyn cares about is revolutionary change in the UK. Robbing the rich and giving to the Labour party, with the poor getting a bit to keep them on-side.
Actually that mis-characterises him - he just wants to hurt the rich and anyone that's smarter than he is. Unfortunately that means we'll all get hurt.
Corbyn aligns himself with terrorists and fringe-groups, and anyone that's small in terms of power. He aligns himself with the idiots of this world.
As you can see I'm ahuge fan.realist
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eek
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I think the idea of a VONC in September is insane. It would be a lot easier to let the clock run down until October 7th when with the clock ticking even Boris has admitted defeat and he is not aiming for No Deal or the head of steam is sufficient that a working avoid No Deal plan has been agreed by everyone required.malcolmg said:
No Deal is coming
And the answer to any request for an election in September is that you could have called that back in July. Get a 2+ month extension to December 31st then we can talk..0 -
Omnium
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It's not all he's going to do. In fact he'll never do it.alex. said:Question - if all Corbyn’s going to do is negotiate an extension and call an election, why does it have to be him leading the “GNU”?
Corbyn just doesn't care about the EU or Brexit. He'll be a caretaker forever. What Corbyn cares about is revolutionary change in the UK. Robbing the rich and giving to the Labour party, with the poor getting a bit to keep them on-side.
Actually that mis-characterises him - he just wants to hurt the rich and anyone that's smarter than he is. Unfortunately that means we'll all get hurt.
Corbyn aligns himself with terrorists and fringe-groups, and anyone that's small in terms of power. He aligns himself with the idiots of this world.
As you can see I'm a huge fan.0 -
RobD
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As long as I can poke people, I'm okay with it.williamglenn said:Facebook seems to have invaded PB.
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MarqueeMark
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Agreed. Last thing I want here is to be linked to Facebook. If it somehow links to who I am on Facebook, that will be last time I post on here.geoffw said:A 'Brexit election' would not solve the Brexit problem because the issue could not be kept to Brexit in the campaign. For that reason, if it is to go back to the people, it would need to be another referendum.
Twitter is worse than a school playground, and why on earth is Facebook poking in here?0 -
The_Taxman
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Yes, Giants Causeway is impressive from a geological standpoint! I think Belfast City Council building is worth a look inside and out. You can get guided tours of the city council according to the guy who showed us around Stormont! I got to sit in the chief w hips seat in the stormont debating chamber, which is next to the first ministers seat.. It was bicamaral in its day but unless.i misunderstood, the upper chamber is redundant. I thought it was an afternoon well spent.viewcode said:
I'm going there in a couple of weeks for RSS 2019. I'm really excited, I get to go on a plane and everything! Any recommendations for other things to see?
If you are going to NI as an individual, travel cards are worth a look, Translink sell day, weekly and monthly cards. They are zoned so a zone 4 will take you to Giants Causeway, Londonderry (unless i went to the wrong part it was mostly boarded up!) and back to Belfast for £16.50! Given the milege i thought this was good. You have to buy the ilink tickets in advance, i only discovered this a few days in advance but they send them through the post within a couple of days! I like NI and have not experienced a problem given the troubles. I plan to visit Belfast Castle tommorow before i fly back to England. The flight by the way is pretty short and nobody even checked my passport in Belfast International airport! I was straight off the plane and 10 minutes early!0 -
MarqueeMark
Posts: 54,357
No, but most left the Labour Party because of Corbyn. The idea they wouldn't block him was always for the birds....surbiton19 said:https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1162046321483747329
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numbertwelve
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On topic, this is why an alternative government is doomed to fail. No-one will be able to agree who should lead it. I have severe doubts that Corbyn will step aside for someone else, and there are enough opposition MPs to block Corbyn.
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geoffw
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A 'Brexit election' would not solve the Brexit problem because the issue could not be kept to Brexit in the campaign. For that reason, if it is to go back to the people, it would need to be another referendum.
Twitter is worse than a school playground, and why on earth is Facebook poking in here?HYUFD said:'JoSwinson is a Tory' now trending on Twitter
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ydoethur
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Incidentally, I see some people have said Swinson has no reason to doubt Corbyn's word on a second referendum. Just to recap, this is a man who:
Lied about his links with Holocaust deniers and anti semites
Lied about his part in a memorial service for a terrorist cell, even when confronted with a photograph
Lied about the number of seats in a train
Lied about his manifesto costings
Lied about his plans for student loans
Lied about his links with East Germany
Lied to his wives about his girlfriends
Lied about the reasons for the collapse of his marriage
Lied about the reasons why he wouldn't talk to Theresa May
Lied about his reasons for voting down the Withdrawal Agreement.
Now call me Mr Suspicious, but I'm going to say Swinson has every reason to be doubtful about his integrity.
True, he is marginally more honest than Johnson. But that's like saying someone has more financial integrity than Allen Stanford.0 -
alex.
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Question - if all Corbyn’s going to do is negotiate an extension and call an election, why does it have to be him leading the “GNU”?0 -
MarqueeMark
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The minority side at that.Gabs2 said:
But only from Remainers. Which means its members only come from one side of the biggest political division in the country. I would support it to get an extension, but it is not national unity!0 -
Omnium
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If you're going to be rude to someone the least you can do is get the grammar right. I'm delighted to learn that Mr L is a moral highpoint though. Prior evidence had suggested otherwise, but he's put that straight.CarlottaVance said:How to win friends and influence people......
https://twitter.com/labourlewis/status/1161947674888876032?s=21
To imagine that I was once afraid that I'd risked too much in opposing CL on Betfair seems inconceivable.
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malcolmg
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No Deal is comingalex. said:Personally I think the best chance of avoiding nodeal (other than the opposition actually announcing they will support the WA, obviously) is to leave it in Johnson’s hands knowing that his escape route has been taken away and actually having to confront the reality of his rhetoric. And at least force him to confront the thought of his position in history. PM who destroyed the U.K. and imposed the consequences of no deal upon us (whilst having a tiny majority and not being able to achieve anything else anyway). Or the man who was prepared to sacrifice his career but save the country.
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ydoethur
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I'm worried Bancroft might go big here. He's due a biggish innings and has been batting well for Durham.
For David Warner:
ROFLMAOTTCIAAL
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Gabs2
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No. They just want an alternative PM in place first. Which seems sensible.surbiton19 said:https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1162046321483747329
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felix
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Oh I did, but as it bore no relation to my point which was specifically about the nonsense of last week's panic over a small decline which has now reversed, I saw no point in commenting. Long-term sterling decline has, as you may know, gone on for decades - long before the 2016 referendum. Have a delightful day.IanB2 said:
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Theuniondivvie
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Because Britain Trump wants a teeny fig leaf of the appearance of independent action as we bend over to receive a good seeing to from America Trump?surbiton19 said:So why are we releasing the Iranian ship now when one month ago they could not ?
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malcolmg
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Lib Dems have no hope of winning anythingrcs1000 said:
That would be eminently sensible. Should Mr Johnson win handsomly, he has a mandate for No Deal if necessary, and a strong negotiating position. Should Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats win, then the people have spoken, and they want another referendum.
The big issue is what happens if - say - the Conservatives and the Brexit Party handily outpoll Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G, but have fewer seats.
Or if there is (again) no majority for any particular outcome.0 -
alex.
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All the discussion is repeating the same nonsense backin March. When remainers were all over social media gleefully declaring Brexit “dead”. Well, it wasn’t and they are looking pretty silly now. All they’re focussed on now is avoiding Brexit on 31st October. Few are thinking about the situation six months down the line.0
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GIN1138
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Well that's it. When you nhave an election you roll the dice and see where it lands.rcs1000 said:
That would be eminently sensible. Should Mr Johnson win handsomly, he has a mandate for No Deal if necessary, and a strong negotiating position. Should Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats win, then the people have spoken, and they want another referendum.
The big issue is what happens if - say - the Conservatives and the Brexit Party handily outpoll Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G, but have fewer seats.
Or if there is (again) no majority for any particular outcome.
But nothing else seems viable as far as I can see.0 -
malcolmg
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I see drugs deaths in England at record levels, wonder if we will get the same bed wetting on here that we had when Scotland announced same thing.0
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eek
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The agenda for September 4th I think is set. So Boris ends up with a vote on the 5th and Parliament disappearing on the 6th with an election on October 17th...rcs1000 said:
That would be eminently sensible. Should Mr Johnson win handsomly, he has a mandate for No Deal if necessary, and a strong negotiating position. Should Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats win, then the people have spoken, and they want another referendum.
The big issue is what happens if - say - the Conservatives and the Brexit Party handily outpoll Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G, but have fewer seats.
Or if there is (again) no majority for any particular outcome.0 -
Gabs2
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But only from Remainers. Which means its members only come from one side of the biggest political division in the country. I would support it to get an extension, but it is not national unity!IanB2 said:
If it comes off it could easily contain members from almost every political party. Except perhaps the DUP.0 -
GIN1138
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You'd have thought getting the embed working with Google Chrome again would have been more important than adding a Facebook button...Stereotomy said:Uh oh, I see vanilla added a new button under our comments. How many things do you think they broke implementing that?
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Beibheirli_C
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Not bad. I award you the Paul Neil Milne Johnstone Award for poetry!viewcode said:
"...Oh frettled gruntCorbyn, thy mictureSwinsons are to me, as purdled gabbleBorises in a lurgid bee. Grieve! I implore thee..."0 -
williamglenn
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That's a bit like calling in Fred Dibnah because you're fed up with an untidy house.Luckyguy1983 said:This Government of National Unity stuff. Farce. Making remainer parties look dreadful and chaotic. People don't want grandstanding histrionics, they want stability, and are likely to go for whomever looks likely to deliver it. At the moment No deal with Boris looks like a safer bet than this mess.
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surbiton19
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But we will have no No Deal Brexit and possibly a second referendumalex. said:The only reason for Swinson to support Corbyn’s plan is if she thinks it will fail. To to criticise her for stating the obvious as evidence that she is happy with no deal is nonsense.
And consider this - suppose Corbyn’s plan does work out and he becomes PM, has an extension and calls a GE. Either Johnson wins a majority, comes back in and takes us out of the EU without a referendum. Not exactly a triumph. Or we have a hung Parliament in which Corbyn simply stays as PM and refuses to leave . Not exactly a dream scenario.0 -
alex.
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Personally I think the best chance of avoiding nodeal (other than the opposition actually announcing they will support the WA, obviously) is to leave it in Johnson’s hands knowing that his escape route has been taken away and actually having to confront the reality of his rhetoric. And at least force him to confront the thought of his position in history. PM who destroyed the U.K. and imposed the consequences of no deal upon us (whilst having a tiny majority and not being able to achieve anything else anyway). Or the man who was prepared to sacrifice his career but save the country.0
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Luckyguy1983
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Please explain?StuartDickson said:
Another so-called Unionist who despises the Union.0 -
StuartDickson
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Another so-called Unionist who despises the Union.Luckyguy1983 said:This Government of National Unity stuff. Farce. Making remainer parties look dreadful and chaotic. People don't want grandstanding histrionics, they want stability, and are likely to go for whomever looks likely to deliver it. At the moment No deal with Boris looks like a safer bet than this mess.
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CarlottaVance
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How to win friends and influence people......
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alex.
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The only reason for Swinson to support Corbyn’s plan is if she thinks it will fail. To to criticise her for stating the obvious as evidence that she is happy with no deal is nonsense.
And consider this - suppose Corbyn’s plan does work out and he becomes PM, has an extension and calls a GE. Either Johnson wins a majority, comes back in and takes us out of the EU without a referendum. Not exactly a triumph. Or we have a hung Parliament in which Corbyn simply stays as PM and refuses to leave . Not exactly a dream scenario.0 -
rcs1000
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That would be eminently sensible. Should Mr Johnson win handsomly, he has a mandate for No Deal if necessary, and a strong negotiating position. Should Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats win, then the people have spoken, and they want another referendum.GIN1138 said:This is what I've been saying would happen:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/why-october-10th-is-boris-johnsons-best-bet-for-a-snap-election/
Boris does a Theresa and calls a general election on the day Parliament returns on 4th September.
"Johnson, however, can pre-empt such manoeuvres on September 4 when Parliament returns by tabling a motion for an early general election, to be held on October 10.
This date is opportune for two reasons. First, Parliament would dissolve by law on September 5. This immediately eliminates the threat of MPs taking control of parliamentary time, keeping the exit date of October 31 intact.
Second, this election date comes a week before the EU Council summit. If his gamble pays off and he were to win a majority, the PM would have the strong negotiating position required to obtain a new deal. If the EU still refuses to budge, the Government could spend the final weeks passing relevant no-deal legislation to minimise disruption before Britain leaves the EU."
The big issue is what happens if - say - the Conservatives and the Brexit Party handily outpoll Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G, but have fewer seats.
Or if there is (again) no majority for any particular outcome.0 -
Luckyguy1983
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This Government of National Unity stuff. Farce. Making remainer parties look dreadful and chaotic. People don't want grandstanding histrionics, they want stability, and are likely to go for whomever looks likely to deliver it. At the moment No deal with Boris looks like a safer bet than this mess.0
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malcolmg
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We pay plenty for it already.MikeSmithson said:
Nicola obviosly hoping that this will be reciprocated for Scots people when visiting the EU. Then she'll have another area where you get a better deal being Scottish0 -
StuartDickson
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As Scots have known for 15 years. Bunch of dim wits that put all their eggs in that basket-case.malcolmg said:
Rank Amateur and promoted well above her capabilities.0
I went on a tour of the building and really enjoyed it. Political figures past and present were mentioned and although i did not really learn much new information, it was a real pleasure to be involved a process that enhances political awareness. The buildings from an architectural standpoint are impresive as well throughtout Belfast. I went around Belfast city hall as well and that is stunning inside. I prefer the inside to say Manchester city hall for instance. But Manchester city hall is stunning even though it has a different style. I seem to like political buildings as well as the business inside them.
