Quite funny, but if real someone is in bother - the real time passenger information system is funded by the council, so that's taxpayers' money being used for overtly political messaging.Scott_P said:
The only person I speak for is myself.viewcode said:
Leave 2016: We can get more and better trade deals on our own.another_richard said:...Perhaps fewer trade deals might be of advantage to this country....
Leave 2019: Perhaps fewer trade deals might be of advantage to this country.
Leave 2016: We can get more and better trade deals on our own.another_richard said:...Perhaps fewer trade deals might be of advantage to this country....
Wrapping Boris in the Union Flag will butter no parsnips if we crash and burn after no deal.SunnyJim said:
I am a blue and a leaver.Cyclefree said:
Thank you for the interesting article.
The biggest myth around is that Brexit will be done in any sense the moment we leave.
It speaks well of Hammond that he is prepared to speak up for his former employee.
I WANT the arguments to continue after we leave, it will be grist to the election mill.
There will be zero mileage for Lab/LD's in supporting the EU in negotiations once we leave...the press will slaughter them (even if it is unfair).
The Tories can always play the 'Standing Up For Britain' card far harder than Corbyn or Swinson ever could and the electorate will lap it up.
Just watch.
The first medicine shortage, the first empty supermarket shelves, the Vox pops are not going to be people saying "Thankyou BoZo!!"SunnyJim said:I am a blue and a leaver.
I WANT the arguments to continue after we leave, it will be grist to the election mill.
There will be zero mileage for Lab/LD's in supporting the EU in negotiations once we leave...the press will slaughter them (even if it is unfair).
The Tories can always play the 'Standing Up For Britain' card far harder than Corbyn or Swinson ever could and the electorate will lap it up.
Just watch.
I think that's right. We should also be wary of next week's polls, and wait for everything to settle down.Yellow_Submarine said:To the extent that the MoE changes in Opinium mean anything, which they may not, its that the two parties who have had their conference coverage boost are up and the one yet to have it is down. In other words it's noise not a signal.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/brexit-preparedness-correspondence-with-the-eu-institutionsFoxy said:Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Although the Brexit policy is a fudge it should keep some Leavers on side , Labour Leavers are less Leavy than similar Tories .Foxy said:
Interesting. It gives a pretty good indication of whether LD or Lab are best placed for a tactical anti-Tory vote in England.nico67 said:Opinium says Labour have lost a bit more support from Remainers but picked up 5 points from Leave voters .
I am a blue and a leaver.Cyclefree said:
Thank you for the interesting article.
The biggest myth around is that Brexit will be done in any sense the moment we leave.
It speaks well of Hammond that he is prepared to speak up for his former employee.
Two scenarios:Foxy said:
Interesting. It gives a pretty good indication of whether LD or Lab are best placed for a tactical anti-Tory vote in England.nico67 said:Opinium says Labour have lost a bit more support from Remainers but picked up 5 points from Leave voters .
When the doleful history of the past few years comes to be written he will be one of the heroes. Along with Clarke, Starmer, Grieve, Cooper and Benn.nichomar said:
I wonder where he is heading he is certainly building up a head of steam.AlastairMeeks said:
He’s clearly nowhere near ready to make nice with the current regime.philiph said:
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Welcome to the Internet.
I would hope in the event of another hung parliament that the Tories turn down the opportunity of minority government.Yellow_Submarine said:
This is another problem for the ' Will of the People ' crowd. A second early general creates a second chronologically superior democratic mandste to the EU referendum. Every opposition party with Commons seats sans the DUP has signifigantly hardened their Brexit scepticism. If there is a clear Tory majority that's fine. If there is another stalemate it will be even harder to break because opposition parties will no longer be bound by the 2016 result.
Hidden in plain sight is Boris favours a ' People's Vote ' by asking for another General Election before Brexit is delivered.
How many times does this have to be explained.The_Taxman said:
The EU has done better trade deals with Japan and South Korea that the UK will benefit from if we Remain, compared to the terms we will get on our own simply due to comparative economic weights. This talk about ditching the EU trade deal we have for much smaller biliterial trade deals where the other state know we are on our uppers is rediculous. Even Canada wont play ball, which given their political and economic links shows very little prospect for trade deals. You are aware trade deals take years to agree?TGOHF2 said:
Why limit our ambitions to a fraction of the globe ? Nothing wrong being in a protectionist cartel I guess - but the EU is a socialist dead end.The_Taxman said:
Please enlighten me, why do you passionately support Brexit? I am against Brexit as it screws the economy, will do nothing about immigration as people will come from elsewhere where the standard of living is much lower and finally i oppose Brexit because the economic and political gravity of Europe will warp UK interests with no say. So why do you think Brexit is such a good idea when it is a worse deal or scenario in every form of Brexit?TGOHF2 said:
That phrase doesn’t cut through in focus groups so well - it’s has no relevance.The_Taxman said:
Is it taking back control?TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReIAna459sgChris said:
I just hope they're in time to produce an updated version of the 1987 "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" for the eve of the next general election.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wasnt newszoid supposed to be spitting image rebooted.....it was rubbish.Chris said:I see they're planning to bring Spitting Image back (for the benefit of the children - it was a satirical puppet show).
I think it will fail, because so much of today's politics is beyond satire.
T'would be amusing to have him back as CoE in a Rebel Alliance government.AlastairMeeks said:
He’s clearly nowhere near ready to make nice with the current regime.philiph said:
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Welcome to the Internet.
This is another problem for the ' Will of the People ' crowd. A second early general creates a second chronologically superior democratic mandste to the EU referendum. Every opposition party with Commons seats sans the DUP has signifigantly hardened their Brexit scepticism. If there is a clear Tory majority that's fine. If there is another stalemate it will be even harder to break because opposition parties will no longer be bound by the 2016 result.Benpointer said:
denial,TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Thank you for the interesting article.AlastairMeeks said:
He’s clearly nowhere near ready to make nice with the current regime.philiph said:
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Welcome to the Internet.
I'm sure he will enjoy the freedom to be his own man and state views he believes in having had his release from collective responsibility.AlastairMeeks said:
He’s clearly nowhere near ready to make nice with the current regime.philiph said:
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Welcome to the Internet.
I wonder where he is heading he is certainly building up a head of steam.AlastairMeeks said:
He’s clearly nowhere near ready to make nice with the current regime.philiph said:
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Welcome to the Internet.
I can see why you daren't risk a 2nd referendum!HYUFD said:
So what this is FPTP not PR (and last week Labour affirmed it is not a pro Remain party anyway but Brexit neutral)Benpointer said:
So what this is FPTP not PR (and last week Labour affirmed it is not a pro Remain party anyway but Brexit neutral)Benpointer said:
Nor just 11% behind the Tories.HYUFD said:
Except in April 2017 the LDs were not just 4% behind LabourOldKingCole said:
Reminds me of May’s leads in April 2017.GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
And, Mr G, hope you and Mrs G continue to enjoy your cruise.
He’s clearly nowhere near ready to make nice with the current regime.philiph said:
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Welcome to the Internet.
The EU has done better trade deals with Japan and South Korea that the UK will benefit from if we Remain, compared to the terms we will get on our own simply due to comparative economic weights. This talk about ditching the EU trade deal we have for much smaller biliterial trade deals where the other state know we are on our uppers is rediculous. Even Canada wont play ball, which given their political and economic links shows very little prospect for trade deals. You are aware trade deals take years to agree?TGOHF2 said:
Why limit our ambitions to a fraction of the globe ? Nothing wrong being in a protectionist cartel I guess - but the EU is a socialist dead end.The_Taxman said:
Please enlighten me, why do you passionately support Brexit? I am against Brexit as it screws the economy, will do nothing about immigration as people will come from elsewhere where the standard of living is much lower and finally i oppose Brexit because the economic and political gravity of Europe will warp UK interests with no say. So why do you think Brexit is such a good idea when it is a worse deal or scenario in every form of Brexit?TGOHF2 said:
That phrase doesn’t cut through in focus groups so well - it’s has no relevance.The_Taxman said:
Is it taking back control?TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Except in April 2017 the LDs were not just 4% behind LabourOldKingCole said:
Reminds me of May’s leads in April 2017.GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
And, Mr G, hope you and Mrs G continue to enjoy your cruise.
Politicians discover anonymous keyboard warriors are brave and type with bravery, uninhibited emotion and enhanced levels of vitriol.AlastairMeeks said:
Same with Trump, the more he lies and cheats and whips up hatred the more his supporters love him.ydoethur said:
Shakes head in frustration and disbelief at where we are as a nation.Scott_P said:
ThanksAndyJS said:
Not sure because I don't have the Green share from the latest poll tonight. But before it was 4.5%.Benpointer said:
You don’t say! 🤣not_on_fire said:
You are aware that is parody account?isam said:
Not sure because I don't have the Green share from the latest poll tonight. But before it was 4.5%.Benpointer said:
The Govenment is not paid to lose and whine about it. It's paid to win.Chris said:
Surely that's correct.CarlottaVance said:
It’s part of the “blame shifting” strategy - when there are queues at Dover Baker will wave this letter around “See! The EU banned sensible Preparation”Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
It was that third term that did for Maggie. Her hubris was phenomenol, and nemesis was quick to punish it.Chris said:
I just hope they're in time to produce an updated version of the 1987 "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" for the eve of the next general election.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wasnt newszoid supposed to be spitting image rebooted.....it was rubbish.Chris said:I see they're planning to bring Spitting Image back (for the benefit of the children - it was a satirical puppet show).
I think it will fail, because so much of today's politics is beyond satire.
One of the most chilling things I have watched it has stuck with me for the r st of my life broadcast just before the exit polls on polling day.Chris said:
I just hope they're in time to produce an updated version of the 1987 "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" for the eve of the next general election.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wasnt newszoid supposed to be spitting image rebooted.....it was rubbish.Chris said:I see they're planning to bring Spitting Image back (for the benefit of the children - it was a satirical puppet show).
I think it will fail, because so much of today's politics is beyond satire.
Possibly so, but it very much depends on what happens in October before any election. Any caretaker government would most likely function until spring, and a week is a very long time in politics, particularly at the moment.CarlottaVance said:
But win an election?Foxy said:
Failing and blaming is a good strategy for populism, just not a very good way to run a country.CarlottaVance said:
It’s part of the “blame shifting” strategy - when there are queues at Dover Baker will wave this letter around “See! The EU banned sensible Preparation”Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
I just hope they're in time to produce an updated version of the 1987 "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" for the eve of the next general election.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wasnt newszoid supposed to be spitting image rebooted.....it was rubbish.Chris said:I see they're planning to bring Spitting Image back (for the benefit of the children - it was a satirical puppet show).
I think it will fail, because so much of today's politics is beyond satire.
1% down on last week and Labour 2% up, though. Opinium is just very good for the Tories at the moment. Who knows who is right...GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Why limit our ambitions to a fraction of the globe ? Nothing wrong being in a protectionist cartel I guess - but the EU is a socialist dead end.The_Taxman said:
Please enlighten me, why do you passionately support Brexit? I am against Brexit as it screws the economy, will do nothing about immigration as people will come from elsewhere where the standard of living is much lower and finally i oppose Brexit because the economic and political gravity of Europe will warp UK interests with no say. So why do you think Brexit is such a good idea when it is a worse deal or scenario in every form of Brexit?TGOHF2 said:
That phrase doesn’t cut through in focus groups so well - it’s has no relevance.The_Taxman said:
Is it taking back control?TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Not quite. On UNS basis there would be 46 gains from Lab offset by 13 losses to LDs and circa 10 to SNP to give the Tories 340 seats - a majority of circa 30.GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Just as they were in 2017!GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
But win an election?Foxy said:
Failing and blaming is a good strategy for populism, just not a very good way to run a country.CarlottaVance said:
It’s part of the “blame shifting” strategy - when there are queues at Dover Baker will wave this letter around “See! The EU banned sensible Preparation”Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Wasnt newszoid supposed to be spitting image rebooted.....it was rubbish.Chris said:I see they're planning to bring Spitting Image back (for the benefit of the children - it was a satirical puppet show).
I think it will fail, because so much of today's politics is beyond satire.
Please enlighten me, why do you passionately support Brexit? I am against Brexit as it screws the economy, will do nothing about immigration as people will come from elsewhere where the standard of living is much lower and finally i oppose Brexit because the economic and political gravity of Europe will warp UK interests with no say. So why do you think Brexit is such a good idea when it is a worse deal or scenario in every form of Brexit?TGOHF2 said:
That phrase doesn’t cut through in focus groups so well - it’s has no relevance.The_Taxman said:
Is it taking back control?TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Reminds me of May’s leads in April 2017.GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
This relates to the grant from DCMS which had nothing to do with Johnson and was when he was FSScarpia said:Scott_P Posts: 50,358
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Surely that's correct.CarlottaVance said:
It’s part of the “blame shifting” strategy - when there are queues at Dover Baker will wave this letter around “See! The EU banned sensible Preparation”Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Failing and blaming is a good strategy for populism, just not a very good way to run a country.CarlottaVance said:
It’s part of the “blame shifting” strategy - when there are queues at Dover Baker will wave this letter around “See! The EU banned sensible Preparation”Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
It’s part of the “blame shifting” strategy - when there are queues at Dover Baker will wave this letter around “See! The EU banned sensible Preparation”Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Not impossible I grant you, but I would be extremely surprised if Con/Brexit total was that close to 50%GIN1138 said:
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
That phrase doesn’t cut through in focus groups so well - it’s has no relevance.The_Taxman said:
Is it taking back control?TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Is it taking back control?TGOHF2 said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
I don't think you really mean "moot," but I accept that the correct use of that word is probably a lost cause.ozymandias said:
The fact that some support Corbyn to be PM despite his colourful (!) history and previous associations make this statement rather moot.Chris said:
So - antisemitism's OK, so long as it's dear old Boris. So is directing public money to your girlfriend.HYUFD said:
I don't think most people care either way or if they do already hate Boris anyway and Boris still has not hung around with terrorists unlike Corbyntyson said:
HYFUD..what do you think about Boris allegedly getting his blonde bit on the side a shed load public cash?HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland in the UK is membership of the EU there is little left of the Union anyway, I would prefer Brexit with a Deal (and I think Boris will still pass the WA and a NI only backstop if he wins a majority) but the Leave vote must be respected regardless even with No Deal and if that was the case Scots could then determine whether they prefer the UK or EUBenpointer said:
So you're quite happy for the Conserative and Unionist Party to pursue a Brexit outcome that makes the break up of the UK more likely?HYUFD said:
It makes it more likely, that does not mean it guarantees it thoughGallowgate said:
Lets be honest, no deal Brexit guarantees Scottish Independence. I have no doubt about that.HYUFD said:Without Brexit, especially No Deal Brexit Yes would have near zero chance of winning any indyref2 anyway as all the Scottish polls show
I think this makes him unfit for any kind of public office.....I think it's despicable, morally repellant, and he should be banned from holding any type of public office.
Even if her company deserved this money it is fucking horrible that he was sniffing around her when he was married...he just comes across as pretty disgusting. Character matters...and Boris, the Prime Minister, has very little of it...
Maybe it would be easier if you explained what dear old Boris could do that wasn't unacceptable to you? Oh - sorry - unacceptable to fail to drive the country off a cliff on 31 October. Of course. The unforgivable sin.
A cynic might suggest that this story - especially the timing - is as likely to be an attempt to get Biden, as an attempt to get Trump.Stereotomy said:In answer to Charles' question, the Democrats are either even more stupid than previously suspected or they've chosen to throw Biden under the bus
I went to Gibraltar for several days last week and several people i overheard talking about Brexit! I also talked with some US citizens about Trump, who they loath and want to oust!Big_G_NorthWales said:
5,000 on this ship including crew and not one conversation on brexit despite it being nearly 100% UK passengersFF43 said:
Does your ship have a no Brexit talk policy? I suppose you can always come on here when WiFi allows if you get withdrawal symptoms.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hi from our mooring here in sunny Boston. See things are ever more polarised and the SNP talk of putting Corbyn into office. Are they mad.
A GE must be the next step in this crisis but a fudged TM deal remains my choice
Enjoy Boston. Nice city.
https://twitter.com/ProfDaveAndress/status/1177993593383989250
Sorry, that was an attempt at irony after Boris' interesting week.Foxy said:
There is no such thing as bad publicity!Mexicanpete said:
Now hold on. Calling Margaret Hodge, formerly of Islington Council, 'well-respected' is taking it a bit too far. She was a capable chair of the PAC and her bitch slapping of Corbyn's racism even meritorious, but her record as council leader in a huge raft of fields in the 1980s was absolutely vile - worse by far than Corbyn's.CarlottaVance said:
Chancing your arm isn’t surrendering .Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
I call it the begging letter . How unedifying . Good on Barnier for telling the clueless Barclay to go fuck himself in less colourful language !Foxy said:
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1177939652038320128?s=19
Thanks Tyson and yes she had a great deal in the circumstancestyson said:
Big_G_NorthWales said:Hi from our mooring here in sunny Boston. See things are ever more polarised and the SNP talk of putting Corbyn into office. Are they mad.
A GE must be the next step in this crisis but a fudged TM deal remains my choice
Big G..I'll break free from the polarisation for a bit..you were right about Theresa May. Bring her back.,.she was a leader fore our times....
Excellent! Enjoy your cruise among the grown ups!Big_G_NorthWales said:
5,000 on this ship including crew and not one conversation on brexit despite it being nearly 100% UK passengersFF43 said:
Does your ship have a no Brexit talk policy? I suppose you can always come on here when WiFi allows if you get withdrawal symptoms.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hi from our mooring here in sunny Boston. See things are ever more polarised and the SNP talk of putting Corbyn into office. Are they mad.
A GE must be the next step in this crisis but a fudged TM deal remains my choice
Enjoy Boston. Nice city.
https://twitter.com/ProfDaveAndress/status/1177993593383989250
It has been a brilliant cruise with fantastic weather. Another 10 days to goydoethur said:
Hope you've had a good cruise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hi from our mooring here in sunny Boston. See things are ever more polarised and the SNP talk of putting Corbyn into office. Are they mad.
A GE must be the next step in this crisis but a fudged TM deal remains my choice
'Sunny Boston,' huh. Alright for some. Weather here sucks more than an intern Bill Clinton is paying by the orgasm.
Con into landslide terriroy again!dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Shove the surrender bill ...RobD said:
“Bollocks to Brussels”?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
Will the DExEU Secretary's surrender letter feature?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
5,000 on this ship including crew and not one conversation on brexit despite it being nearly 100% UK passengersFF43 said:
Does your ship have a no Brexit talk policy? I suppose you can always come on here when WiFi allows if you get withdrawal symptoms.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hi from our mooring here in sunny Boston. See things are ever more polarised and the SNP talk of putting Corbyn into office. Are they mad.
A GE must be the next step in this crisis but a fudged TM deal remains my choice
Enjoy Boston. Nice city.
https://twitter.com/ProfDaveAndress/status/1177993593383989250
“Bollocks to Brussels”?TGOHF2 said:
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
Some well tested in focus groups policies coming this week.
With the Con conference bounce yet to come.dyedwoolie said:Opinion is 36 24 20 11 con lab LD bxp
The fact that some support Corbyn to be PM despite his colourful (!) history and previous associations make this statement rather moot.Chris said:
So - antisemitism's OK, so long as it's dear old Boris. So is directing public money to your girlfriend.HYUFD said:
I don't think most people care either way or if they do already hate Boris anyway and Boris still has not hung around with terrorists unlike Corbyntyson said:
HYFUD..what do you think about Boris allegedly getting his blonde bit on the side a shed load public cash?HYUFD said:
If the only thing keeping Scotland in the UK is membership of the EU there is little left of the Union anyway, I would prefer Brexit with a Deal (and I think Boris will still pass the WA and a NI only backstop if he wins a majority) but the Leave vote must be respected regardless even with No Deal and if that was the case Scots could then determine whether they prefer the UK or EUBenpointer said:
So you're quite happy for the Conserative and Unionist Party to pursue a Brexit outcome that makes the break up of the UK more likely?HYUFD said:
It makes it more likely, that does not mean it guarantees it thoughGallowgate said:
Lets be honest, no deal Brexit guarantees Scottish Independence. I have no doubt about that.HYUFD said:
Without Brexit, especially No Deal Brexit Yes would have near zero chance of winning any indyref2 anyway as all the Scottish polls showBenpointer said:
Would the SNP be happy with no 2nd Sindy ref during this GNU?Flanner said:
Benpointer said:
[A year-long GNU] sadly, it feels unlikely. There's the small matter of what policies other than extend and 2nd ref it could agree on.Morris_Dancer said:
I think this makes him unfit for any kind of public office.....I think it's despicable, morally repellant, and he should be banned from holding any type of public office.
Even if her company deserved this money it is fucking horrible that he was sniffing around her when he was married...he just comes across as pretty disgusting. Character matters...and Boris, the Prime Minister, has very little of it...
Maybe it would be easier if you explained what dear old Boris could do that wasn't unacceptable to you? Oh - sorry - unacceptable to fail to drive the country off a cliff on 31 October. Of course. The unforgivable sin.
This will undoubtedly damage Johnson amongst women and younger voters especially. Anecdotally my wife, who thought May was doing her best in difficult circumstances, thinks Johnson is completely unsuitable to be PM because of his attitude to women. And my children - in their 20s - are more censorious about sexual cheating and deception than would have been the case when I was their age.Stuartinromford said:
You may be right, that most people won't change their love Boris / hate Boris views based on this. However, if his actions turn out to be sanctionable and illegal, it would be a much less impressive (metaphorical) martyrdom than his intention of (metaphorically) dying in a ditch to save Brexit.HYUFD said:
I don't think most people care either way or if they do already hate Boris anyway and Boris still has not hung around with terrorists unlike Corbyn
However, a chunk of pro-Brexit thinking is (not entirely unreasonably) based on the EU's lack of frugality, transparency and accountability. Shouldn't it bother those who support the Prime Minister if he has been accused of things that they would be appalled about were a Eurocrat to have done them?
There are no disasters, only opportunities. And indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters.Foxy said:
There is no such thing as bad publicity!Mexicanpete said:
Not sure about that in this case because in F12/ Dev Tool Google Chrome gives the problem:rural_voter said:
I had lots of problems which I reported to this forum and even to Vanilla. But it seems to have been due to dodgy rural broadband, i.e. blame BT's cables and exchanges.GIN1138 said:After working for a couple of days Vanilla embed is no longer displaying on Google Chrome again.
Back to Firefox.
Well I tried YTFC ball boys being sent off but it didn’t work although it was true.ydoethur said:Anyway, to break away from the ill tempered and very sterile politics debate, here is some very encouraging news:
Skin cancer: Half of people surviving advanced melanoma
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49853878
This looks like a tremendous breakthrough if it's as reported.
Then your definition is too narrow.Foxy said:
Corruption suggests to me financial advantage, or misuse of public funds for personal ends. Patronage is a different fault IMO.ydoethur said:
Misplaced loyalty - that is, appointing friends rather than able candidates - is a form of corruption. It's also called patronage.Foxy said:
Stupidity, poor judgement and misplaced loyalty probably, but I would not suggest corruption.ydoethur said:
Please explain to me then why Abbott and Formby hold the posts they do.Foxy said:
There are many epithets fair to attach to Jezza, but not corruption, I think.ydoethur said:
I'm not sure I'd go as far as your first sentence - as for your second, he is himself an unabashed populist and has shown it again today.tyson said:
Good point..we wouldn't have Brexit, or this threat of no deal without Corbyn..he has been a dream to the populists to run riot...ydoethur said:
It is a problem though, isn't it? Every time Johnson's lack of morality and alleged corruption is raised, somebody will just say 'whatabout Corbyn?' Jennie Formby alone is an extremely awkward one to explain away, but his persistent refusal to retire Abbott despite her decline in health also springs to mind.tyson said:
I wasn't talking about Corbyn..HYUFD said:I don't think most people care either way or if they do already hate Boris anyway and Boris still has not hung around with terrorists unlike Corbyn
So, you don't think it matters that Boris Johnson's alleged mistress secured public cash when he was Mayor?
Which may explain why despite everything the Brexiteers, er, Conservatives are ten points clear in the polls. Even though they would be 50 points behind an opposition led by somebody who could pass for sane and pretend to be honest.
That said, Johnson is a degenerate, morally repugnant, corrupted lowlife who should not be allowed anywhere near high office....
For your final sentence, first of all I think you are far too generous to Johnson, but again, your criticisms apply with equal force to Corbyn.
If you say 'on merit,' you will have to excuse me while I die laughing.