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edited January 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » EXCLUSIVE: PB/Polling Matters Podcast with Damian McBride

On the first PB/Polling Matters podcast of 2016 Keiran and Rob are joined by former special adviser to Gordon Brown, Damian McBride. Damian talks through his reactions to this week’s reshuffle, how political coups work and his advice for Jeremy Corbyn’s team.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Our friends from CAGE spreading their filth at British Unis, and the NUS are assisting them...

    ‘As terrible as Paris was, there were no children reported killed’,

    The Paris attacks were simply IS ‘responding to what it sees as an assault on itself’,

    There ‘is no Islamic threat’ and ‘no evidence or proof’ that ‘so-called radicalisation is actually happening’,

    The Government are ‘white-supremacists’ who want to ‘isolate’ Muslims,

    There is nothing wrong with ‘being extreme’ and that the very notion of extremism is racist,

    They should support convicted terrorists, many of whom been ‘wrongly imprisoned’ due to ‘prejudice’ and ‘fabricated accounts’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3389444/Fanatics-campaign-hate-campus-revealed-Islamic-zealots-backed-Jihadi-John-poisoning-minds-students.html
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2016
    Moses_ said:

    Talking about the about the BBC
    How on earth did they go from " here is some messages for our friends in occupied countries" to we cannot refer to them as the government wishes as we have to be seen to be completely impartial."

    Also, no such thing as a terrorist and presenters who use that language are sent for re-education...

    Slightly annoyed young men perhaps a bit militant, but definitely not a terrorist.

    Same as men of "North African and Arab Origin". They won't report what is in the German press that has been reported to them by the police (let alone witnesses).
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited January 2016
    Harry on point as usual:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/685228429369819136
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Downloading now. Looking forward to this.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Wanderer said:

    Downloading now. Looking forward to this.

    Quite; Mr McBride is always good for the behind-the-scenes gossip.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    I can remember when the working class of London looked at Livingstone, Corbyn, Abbott et al and decided they were disgusted with them. These are the people who occupy Essex, Kent, Herts now.

    Now the UK is getting the treatment.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Why would anybody listen to Mc Bride for half an hour.

    Anyone can tell you what's up with labour in two words, they're phucked.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    I read his stuff whilst holding my nose. Yes the man is a slime ball. But this is what a socialist smells like... I guess?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    It's a rough game. They used to stick the losers' heads on spikes.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    The obvious difference is that one of them has been knighted

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh FFS

    @PSbook: Senior Labour source on BBC row: "These events question credibility of all involved ... raises questions at the heart of democracy."

    @MichaelPDeacon: The complaints about the BBC over Stephen Doughty's resignation may constitute the greatest outbreak of mass thickness in Twitter history
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    You really don't know? Then you may want to refresh your memory about why McBride had to resign from his post in Gordon Brown's office.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @theobertram: Oh it's the BBC. Not Blair. The Beeb are the problem.

    'One leader. One party. One enemy.'
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Honestly, this is a very interesting podcast. McBride-haters, just put a clip on your nose as though you were voting for Chirac. ;)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Political nerd fail admission time - I don't even remember what it is McBride did that led to him resigning.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited January 2016
    HurstLlama said:

    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    You really don't know? Then you may want to refresh your memory about why McBride had to resign from his post in Gordon Brown's office.
    Again, I don't see how what McBride did is any less ethical than what Crosby does. Either you believe politics should be a "noble" endeavor where no-one ever lies or aims personal insults at opponents, or you believe that anything goes in the name of getting wins for your party; either way, McBride and Crosby are two peas in a pod.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    blackburn63 said:

    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    The obvious difference is that one of them has been knighted

    Or one did not smear leaders wives

    Point of view really innit
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    Crosby didn't smear political opponents and imply female MPs were lesbians to journalists. You may not like Crosby's politics but he never lied about the opposition and never involved family members. McBride is in a league of his own.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016
    An interview with Damien McBride? That's reminds me, I must get the septic tank pumped out. It's brim full of sewage.
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    TomTom Posts: 273
    Scott_P said:

    Oh FFS

    @PSbook: Senior Labour source on BBC row: "These events question credibility of all involved ... raises questions at the heart of democracy."

    @MichaelPDeacon: The complaints about the BBC over Stephen Doughty's resignation may constitute the greatest outbreak of mass thickness in Twitter history

    Ok guys, we've ballsed up the media management of our re-shuffle and focused on our most unpopular policy. What shall we do next? How about getting in a massive row with the BBC that keeps our re-shuffle and party splits in the news for a few more days. Great idea seumus, let's get ken or diane on the today programme to talk about it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Tom said:

    Scott_P said:

    Oh FFS

    @PSbook: Senior Labour source on BBC row: "These events question credibility of all involved ... raises questions at the heart of democracy."

    @MichaelPDeacon: The complaints about the BBC over Stephen Doughty's resignation may constitute the greatest outbreak of mass thickness in Twitter history

    Ok guys, we've ballsed up the media management of our re-shuffle and focused on our most unpopular policy. What shall we do next? How about getting in a massive row with the BBC that keeps our re-shuffle and party splits in the news for a few more days. Great idea seumus, let's get ken or diane on the today programme to talk about it.
    The most incredible thing is LauraK actually gave Seamus advice on media management of JJ.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Tom said:

    Scott_P said:

    Oh FFS

    @PSbook: Senior Labour source on BBC row: "These events question credibility of all involved ... raises questions at the heart of democracy."

    @MichaelPDeacon: The complaints about the BBC over Stephen Doughty's resignation may constitute the greatest outbreak of mass thickness in Twitter history

    Ok guys, we've ballsed up the media management of our re-shuffle and focused on our most unpopular policy. What shall we do next? How about getting in a massive row with the BBC that keeps our re-shuffle and party splits in the news for a few more days. Great idea seumus, let's get ken or diane on the today programme to talk about it.
    I think it's Ken's turn this time! No more NATO for Labour!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    No decision that Jeremy Corbyn will ever take will have greater political significance than the fact that he is making it. The Labour party is led by a troupe of malevolent clowns and Mr Corbyn is Charlie Cairoli.

    The Labour party is already fighting the 2025 election, having lost in 2020. Every passing day is cementing the idea that it is a party of innumerate surrender-monkeys.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4659354.ece
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2016
    Scott_P said:

    No decision that Jeremy Corbyn will ever take will have greater political significance than the fact that he is making it. The Labour party is led by a troupe of malevolent clowns and Mr Corbyn is Charlie Cairoli.

    The Labour party is already fighting the 2025 election, having lost in 2020. Every passing day is cementing the idea that it is a party of innumerate surrender-monkeys.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4659354.ece

    I reckon JJ should invite Moazzam Begg and his CAGE mates around for a cup of tea and a chat. That will boost his ratings. The thing is with hand on heart, you couldn't rule that out could you.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    I like "Don't leave a man like Dugher with time on his hands."
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,306
    I think that whatever people think of Mr McBride there should be a lot more recognition that this is quite a coup for Mike and the site. Well done and congratulations.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    DavidL said:

    I think that whatever people think of Mr McBride there should be a lot more recognition that this is quite a coup for Mike and the site. Well done and congratulations.

    Indeed
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    TomTom Posts: 273
    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    Crosby didn't smear political opponents and imply female MPs were lesbians to journalists. You may not like Crosby's politics but he never lied about the opposition and never involved family members. McBride is in a league of his own.
    Anyone who thinks Crosby doesn't do personal attacks or go for family members is to put it politely naive. Did you not see the boris v ken elections or the treatment of ed miliband. Crosby may have more 'plausible deniability' because there is always a media outlet who will do the job for him but to suggest a moral difference between him and mc bride is a somewhat partisan view of the world.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,156
    This is a great podcast. Much sense and insight from Damien McBride. Also Kieran Pedley.
    “Don’t leave a man like Dugher on the outside with time on his hands”. McB thinks he’ll be dangerous.
    DMcB: If Corbyn isn’t delivering the membership may move away from him.

    What is the PLP going to do? Could we get a party within a party?


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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    DavidL said:

    I think that whatever people think of Mr McBride there should be a lot more recognition that this is quite a coup for Mike and the site. Well done and congratulations.

    Agreed, not sure I will have time to listen, but it is a coup.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 2m2 minutes ago

    Independent GAIN Botcherby (Carlisle) from Labour.

    Good start to the year for Corbyn.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited January 2016
    Unsurprisingly, the NUS nutter who is helping CAGE is a big Corbyn fan.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3389527/Two-hours-extremist-bile-sinister-speaker-Corbyn-girl-backed-fanatics-against-Government-anti-terror-drive-saying-laws-broken.html

    At this rate, she might get a job in Corbyn's cabinet.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Independent GAIN Botcherby (Carlisle) from Labour.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Baroness Royall, former Labour leader in the Lords, isn't happy with Ken Livingstone:

    https://twitter.com/labourroyall/status/685191435239428097
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    dr_spyn said:

    DavidL said:

    I think that whatever people think of Mr McBride there should be a lot more recognition that this is quite a coup for Mike and the site. Well done and congratulations.

    Agreed, not sure I will have time to listen, but it is a coup.
    I am listening to this one now, but if there were any possibility of transcripts for this series that would be sensational.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/685235371186241537
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/685235371186241537

    Corbynism sweeping the nation...
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This podcast is quite excellent and great listening. Thanks to all for producing it.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    https://twitter.com/eyespymp/status/685235721301585920
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Scott_P said:

    Oh FFS

    ....

    @MichaelPDeacon: The complaints about the BBC over Stephen Doughty's resignation may constitute the greatest outbreak of mass thickness in Twitter history

    Thats really saying something.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    About 30 minutes in he says one of his pieces of advice to Corbyn would be to apologise.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    This is one of the best things PB has ever done.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    What's clear from the past two weeks is that Jeremy has not decided which route to follow. The choice between a uniting compromise and a fight to the death clearly haunts him. Much of his personal rhetoric suggests a desire to bring people together. Most of his actions point to the opposite. His chosen media voices are amongst the most divisive and confrontational figures in the party. Key staff appointments are people from the left's Leninist fringe.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/01/jeremy-corbyns-reshuffle-where-do-we-go-here
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,306
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Baroness Royall, former Labour leader in the Lords, isn't happy with Ken Livingstone:

    https://twitter.com/labourroyall/status/685191435239428097

    At the risk of sounding patronising perhaps someone should point out to her that he is the co-chair of the Defence Review for her party appointed by the great leader himself. If she doesn't like that she perhaps needs to consider her next step. I have increasingly little sympathy for those that refuse to take that step. They deserve all they and their party are going to get.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,156
    “Everyone wants to be with Tom (Watson)” !
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Scott_P said:

    No decision that Jeremy Corbyn will ever take will have greater political significance than the fact that he is making it. The Labour party is led by a troupe of malevolent clowns and Mr Corbyn is Charlie Cairoli.

    The Labour party is already fighting the 2025 election, having lost in 2020. Every passing day is cementing the idea that it is a party of innumerate surrender-monkeys.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4659354.ece

    Wow - that takes me back! As a kid in Blackpool I used to regularly go to the Tower Circus and Charlie Cairoli was a main feature.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    Oh FFS

    @PSbook: Senior Labour source on BBC row: "These events question credibility of all involved ... raises questions at the heart of democracy."

    @MichaelPDeacon: The complaints about the BBC over Stephen Doughty's resignation may constitute the greatest outbreak of mass thickness in Twitter history

    Are you telling me that some people still take Twitter seriously?
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Wanderer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    It's a rough game. They used to stick the losers' heads on spikes.
    Quite.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @STJamesl: Well done Twitter we've hit a new stupid tonight
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    McBride says this reshuffle soars to No.1 in the 'compendium' of disastrous Labour reshuffles - I hope the rest of the podcast details all the others.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    From the podcast

    Far left Lab MP 'If we knew Jeremy was going to win, it wouldn't have been him we put up'
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,156
    KP: “You can imagine BO killing JC with humour”
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited January 2016
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/685235371186241537

    Harry called Botcherby on Carlisle a 'Lab defence' - it didn't see much defending this evening.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It's interesting how no Labour supporters have mentioned the possibility of being overtaken in the polls by UKIP if Corbyn and McDonnell continue in their positions over the next few years. The fact that they don't talk about the possibility isn't because they think it won't happen, but because they know it might.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    "I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnum's Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit on the program which I most desired to see was the one described as 'The Boneless Wonder'. My parents judged that the spectacle would be too demoralizing and revolting for my youthful eye and I have waited fifty years, to see The Boneless Wonder sitting on the Treasury Bench."

    Winston Churchill about Ramsay MacDonald
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: This is Twitter right now re @bbclaurak https://t.co/F1WLibVtnb
    (For all those missing #bbcqt tonight)
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    edited January 2016
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
    Despite notable investment in barriers for Botcherby years ago, the ward still experienced flooding. This may explain the Independent gain.

    @SimonStClare - perhaps support fell as the flood defences fell?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    McBride fears Boris. Smart imo.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    First they came for the moderates
    Next the went for the sainted beeb
    If you make sandals or wear corduroy, be afraid!!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Interesting take that a big problem with the reshuffle was it was just poor patronage.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @sundersays: At least the left can afford to go postal with the BBC, thanks to its vocal and deep support from the print media
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the podcast

    Far left Lab MP 'If we knew Jeremy was going to win, it wouldn't have been him we put up'

    And they might take the opportunity to promote another far left candidate.... who though?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    I see my questions were asked and answered.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Pauly said:

    Harry on point as usual:

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/685228429369819136

    Yes, I have to admit that point was at the back of my mind too - granted, it was advertised, essentially, as him resigning live on air, but really it technically wasn't, so it was just an expedited 'get the resignee in to the studio'.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Suspects in Cologne sex attacks 'claimed to be Syrian refugees'

    Leaked police report claims senior police officers feared fatalities and that one of those involved in attacks told officers: “I am Syrian. You have to treat me kindly. Mrs Merkel invited me"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    Wanderer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the podcast

    Far left Lab MP 'If we knew Jeremy was going to win, it wouldn't have been him we put up'

    And they might take the opportunity to promote another far left candidate.... who though?
    Diane Abbott or John McDonnell.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is one of the best things PB has ever done.

    Banned AV references? Looking forward to listening in a second to this.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Labourpaul: What's the story with the loss of a Labour-held seat in Carlisle to an independent? Local factors?

    @janemerrick23: 1. MSM's fault. 2. Tories' fault. 3. @bbclaurak's fault. 4. This is a Westminster bubble story. 5. Er no hang on. https://t.co/DK9H3XXv3Z
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Wanderer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the podcast

    Far left Lab MP 'If we knew Jeremy was going to win, it wouldn't have been him we put up'

    And they might take the opportunity to promote another far left candidate.... who though?
    Diane Abbott or John McDonnell.
    She had her turn.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Tom said:

    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    Crosby didn't smear political opponents and imply female MPs were lesbians to journalists. You may not like Crosby's politics but he never lied about the opposition and never involved family members. McBride is in a league of his own.
    Anyone who thinks Crosby doesn't do personal attacks or go for family members is to put it politely naive. Did you not see the boris v ken elections or the treatment of ed miliband. Crosby may have more 'plausible deniability' because there is always a media outlet who will do the job for him but to suggest a moral difference between him and mc bride is a somewhat partisan view of the world.
    Find me evidence that he was anywhere near Tory smears on Labour MPs wives and children and I'll agree. He eviscerated Ed for sure, but Ed was leader of the opposition, that was his job. I didn't say he never went negative or personal, he just didn't cross over that line where family members were targeted for smears and lies.

    Dave, Ed, George, Balls and others are all soldiers, their families are civilians. Targeting civilians is just not cricket. I haven't seen any evidence, even a hint of any evidence that Crosby went after family members.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    I imagine all those idiots on Twitter would now support BBC privatisation... I hope John Whittingdale has the guts.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Quality podcast. Thanks to all who created it.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pauly said:

    I imagine all those idiots on Twitter would now support BBC privatisation... I hope John Whittingdale has the guts.

    They want Ken Livingstone to chair a review of OFCOM
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    TomTom Posts: 273
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the podcast

    Far left Lab MP 'If we knew Jeremy was going to win, it wouldn't have been him we put up'

    Point is that he was the only one who could have won as all the others are so obviously obnoxious. In most groups of friends there is one arsehole who everyone tolerates because they've known them for years. In Jeremy's group of friends they are all that arsehole.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    Scott_P said:

    @Labourpaul: What's the story with the loss of a Labour-held seat in Carlisle to an independent? Local factors?

    @janemerrick23: 1. MSM's fault. 2. Tories' fault. 3. @bbclaurak's fault. 4. This is a Westminster bubble story. 5. Er no hang on. https://t.co/DK9H3XXv3Z

    With the anger of the floods any self respecting opposition party would not only have retained the seat but increased their majority. Corbyn even visited the area - this result may well be the first indication that he will loose large parts of the north
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited January 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Wanderer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From the podcast

    Far left Lab MP 'If we knew Jeremy was going to win, it wouldn't have been him we put up'

    And they might take the opportunity to promote another far left candidate.... who though?
    Diane Abbott or John McDonnell.
    Clive Lewis?

    None of these names are serious are they?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The Labour leadership was forced to rebuke Ken Livingstone yesterday after he said that the party would review Britain’s membership of Nato.

    Mr Livingstone, a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn and the joint head of Labour’s defence review, put the western defence alliance on the table hours after his party leader had completed a chaotic and protracted reshuffle that has left Labour more fractured than ever.

    Fearing that other frontbenchers could join the three who have already quit, Mr Corbyn moved quickly to insist that his party’s policy on Nato was not under consideration. He is also likely to have feared that controversy over membership of the alliance would undermine his efforts to ditch Labour’s support for Trident submarines, Britain’s nuclear deterrent.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4659710.ece
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/685241374166401026

    Heart of stone...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is one of the best things PB has ever done.

    Banned AV references? Looking forward to listening in a second to this.
    Don't shoot the messenger

    Real Madrid have their eye on Tottenham Hotspur striker Harry Kane as new era begins

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/12088053/Real-Madrid-consider-replacing-Cristiano-Ronaldo-with-Tottenham-Hotspur-striker-Harry-Kane.html
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    For all the useful idiots as they've been called by some, how long does it take to realise that if your party is represented to Joe public over and over by people who make ed balls a lovable teddy bear in conparison namely Abbot, Ken and Mcdonnell then your party is in the shite? It's not hard surely..
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    I see McBride also feels the supposed monolithic block of Labour Corbyn supporters, while genuine, can be persuaded it is not working and be open to others.

    Honestly, he comes across as quite insightful and engaging, whatever his background may be.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited January 2016
    Listened to a bit of the podcast. I think it can be summarised as Labour being up a brown creek with no paddles.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @camillalong: Have we reached such a state of political misery that the BBC is ultimately having to apologise for being the bringer of bad news? #doughty
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    Scott_P said:

    The Labour leadership was forced to rebuke Ken Livingstone yesterday after he said that the party would review Britain’s membership of Nato.

    Mr Livingstone, a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn and the joint head of Labour’s defence review, put the western defence alliance on the table hours after his party leader had completed a chaotic and protracted reshuffle that has left Labour more fractured than ever.

    Fearing that other frontbenchers could join the three who have already quit, Mr Corbyn moved quickly to insist that his party’s policy on Nato was not under consideration. He is also likely to have feared that controversy over membership of the alliance would undermine his efforts to ditch Labour’s support for Trident submarines, Britain’s nuclear deterrent.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4659710.ece

    The genie is now out of the bottle. David Cameron and the Tories will not miss any opportunity to tie labour to the abolition of Trident and withdrawal from NATO.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Listened to a bit of the podcast. I think it can be summarised as Labour being up a brown creek with no paddles.

    I think we already knew that, excellent though the podcast undoubtedly is.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Scott_P said:

    Pauly said:

    I imagine all those idiots on Twitter would now support BBC privatisation... I hope John Whittingdale has the guts.

    They want Ken Livingstone to chair a review of OFCOM
    Not him! It's Maria Eagle's dream job remember...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Eagles - Your 100-1 shot for the London Mayoralty has done a Grindr profile vid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pyTTme-Sk&feature=youtu.be
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    McBride's disgrace has been the making of him. The fact that no-one in politics can ever give him a job again lets him speak candidly.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is one of the best things PB has ever done.

    Banned AV references? Looking forward to listening in a second to this.
    Don't shoot the messenger

    Real Madrid have their eye on Tottenham Hotspur striker Harry Kane as new era begins

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/12088053/Real-Madrid-consider-replacing-Cristiano-Ronaldo-with-Tottenham-Hotspur-striker-Harry-Kane.html
    What!!!!!!!????

    Seriously, how likely is it real would take our star man, there's no precedent for that.. well only a few...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Regarding the point raised in the podcast and elsewhere about 'is it Corbyn, or some of those around him?', isn't that just the latest version of the old refrain of blaming a king's advisers as a way of attacking the king without seeming to attack the king?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,298
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is one of the best things PB has ever done.

    Banned AV references? Looking forward to listening in a second to this.
    Don't shoot the messenger

    Real Madrid have their eye on Tottenham Hotspur striker Harry Kane as new era begins

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/12088053/Real-Madrid-consider-replacing-Cristiano-Ronaldo-with-Tottenham-Hotspur-striker-Harry-Kane.html
    What!!!!!!!????

    Seriously, how likely is it real would take our star man, there's no precedent for that.. well only a few...
    More than likely and money is no object
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Pulpstar said:

    Listened to a bit of the podcast. I think it can be summarised as Labour being up a brown creek with no paddles.

    Not quite. There are two paddles floating in the sewage. The closest is ten yards away but the blade has been half eaten away by sewer rats. The other paddle is further away but seems to be in good condition. Meanwhile the canoe has sprung a leak and liquid excrement is pouring in.

    Your move.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    kle4 said:

    Regarding the point raised in the podcast and elsewhere about 'is it Corbyn, or some of those around him?', isn't that just the latest version of the old refrain of blaming a king's advisers as a way of attacking the king without seeming to attack the king?

    Spot on!
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    TomTom Posts: 273
    MaxPB said:

    Tom said:

    MaxPB said:

    Danny565 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    If I was to download this, I am not certain even a months worth of showers would make me feel clean again. Man is pure filth.

    In what way is McBride more "filth" than Lynton Crosby, apart from the latter's political preference aligning more with your own?
    Crosby didn't smear political opponents and imply female MPs were lesbians to journalists. You may not like Crosby's politics but he never lied about the opposition and never involved family members. McBride is in a league of his own.
    Anyone who thinks Crosby doesn't do personal attacks or go for family members is to put it politely naive. Did you not see the boris v ken elections or the treatment of ed miliband. Crosby may have more 'plausible deniability' because there is always a media outlet who will do the job for him but to suggest a moral difference between him and mc bride is a somewhat partisan view of the world.
    Find me evidence that he was anywhere near Tory smears on Labour MPs wives and children and I'll agree. He eviscerated Ed for sure, but Ed was leader of the opposition, that was his job. I didn't say he never went negative or personal, he just didn't cross over that line where family members were targeted for smears and lies.

    Dave, Ed, George, Balls and others are all soldiers, their families are civilians. Targeting civilians is just not cricket. I haven't seen any evidence, even a hint of any evidence that Crosby went after family members.
    Can't provide you any evidence - which was one of mcbride's biggest failings - but the standard spent two years of drip feed personal attacks on livingstone which involved plenty of stuff that brought up unsubstantiated (and subsequently disproved) attacks on people who had done nothing wrong but might have had vague associations with livingstone and were subject of lots on insinuations in national newspapers. You will have noted I am no great fan of ken but crosbys whole strategy was based on the standard and some of the other papers trashing ken and anyone who had ever been near him - while affable boris ambled around doing his faux naïf schtick. I don't whine about Crosby, he's done his job very effectively, but this moral high ground about brown's people I do find laughable.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited January 2016
    kle4 said:

    Regarding the point raised in the podcast and elsewhere about 'is it Corbyn, or some of those around him?', isn't that just the latest version of the old refrain of blaming a king's advisers as a way of attacking the king without seeming to attack the king?

    The difference is that the king can rectify it if it's his advisers (whether they will or not obviously depends on the king), but if it's the king he has to go to fix it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    Pulpstar said:

    Eagles - Your 100-1 shot for the London Mayoralty has done a Grindr profile vid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_pyTTme-Sk&feature=youtu.be

    I said if you wanted to enrich Shadsy, take the 100/1.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,444
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is one of the best things PB has ever done.

    Banned AV references? Looking forward to listening in a second to this.
    Don't shoot the messenger

    Real Madrid have their eye on Tottenham Hotspur striker Harry Kane as new era begins

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/real-madrid/12088053/Real-Madrid-consider-replacing-Cristiano-Ronaldo-with-Tottenham-Hotspur-striker-Harry-Kane.html
    What!!!!!!!????

    Seriously, how likely is it real would take our star man, there's no precedent for that.. well only a few...
    I've gone Balls deep on Exeter to beat Liverpool on Friday night.

    We will be playing with the kids and no recognised centre backs.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited January 2016
    Tissue_Price said:

    McBride's disgrace has been the making of him. The fact that no-one in politics can ever give him a job again lets him speak candidly.

    He is a very interesting commentator. You don't have to like someone as a person, or even respect their integrity, to appreciate someone informed making a clear (partly because he's a good communicator, more so that he doesn't need to hedge or veil what he's saying anymore) point.
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