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PClipp

First - like the Lib Dem candidate in Witney.... and fascinating....

TGOHF

Worst thread header ever ?

MattW

That'll convince Generation Snowflake and the Hairy Builders.

rpjs

"Hibernians" means people from Ireland...

MTimT

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Scrapheap_as_was

Busy day.

Just seen ICM poll numbers.

#rattled

TGOHF

The medium is interesting - an art form which only finds favour with rich metropolitan luvvies but is despised and generally ignored by the wider nation - seems rather apt.

Speedy

TSE has gone too far.

weejonnie

Breitbart discussing the mystery of the vanishing polls.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/10/10/won-second-presidential-debate-news-sites-stopped-asking/

At least they agree that online ones are voodoo/

MikeSmithson

TGOHF said:

Worst thread header ever ?

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

You mean it hit home

Speedy

MikeSmithson said:

TGOHF said:

Worst thread header ever ?

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

You mean it hit home

This thread was your idea ?
Given the bad taste I thought it was TSE's.

Theuniondivvie

TGOHF said:

The medium is interesting - an art form which only finds favour with rich metropolitan luvvies but is despised and generally ignored by the wider nation - seems rather apt.

Filmed in Edinburgh isn't it?
Was it only two short years ago that Auld Reekie was being lauded as the true bastion of the Union, and now it's just a nest of rich, metropolitan luvvies.

RoyalBlue

Part of the joy of Brexit is the sheer schadenfreude one can feel for the smug, achingly right-on, Radio 4 'comedian'/Edinburgh fringe complex.

Poor little snowflakes.

ThomasNashe

Remember Leave won. There's no going back. We have to listen to the voice of the long-oppressed silent majority, take them seriously and whatever you do, don't laugh at them.

Ishmael_X

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Can be funny (Jerry Springer: The Opera), isn't here.

MTimT

MikeSmithson said:

TGOHF said:

Worst thread header ever ?

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

You mean it hit home

No. That's not what I mean. But it is clearly what you hope.

MTimT

Ishmael_X said:

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Can be funny (Jerry Springer: The Opera), isn't here.

Did subsequently watch a couple more of their videos. I'll grant that, while not my style, some are funny. I liked Down With The Kids for its self-deprecating humour.

Black_Rook

rpjs said:

"Hibernians" means people from Ireland...

It's actually not wholly inappropriate. I believe that the ancestors of the Scots (and we're going back into the early part of the first millennium AD here) originated in what is now County Antrim.

MikeSmithson said:

TGOHF said:

Worst thread header ever ?

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

You mean it hit home

Whilst I don't share the sentiment expressed, it was quite amusing.

Meanwhile, FPT:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/785446914493935617

At this rate, I wonder how long we'll have to wait for the Tories to poll over 45%, Labour under 25%, or maybe even for the Green Party to overtake the Lib Dems (passing Ukip heading in the opposite direction?) A lot of testing of ceilings and floors to be done over the coming months.

nunu

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Alistair

Polling!

https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

FF43

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Busy day.

Just seen ICM poll numbers.

#rattled

Inverse correlation between Tory support and the value of the pound. Every time the government panders on Brexit, support goes up and the pound plummets.

Ishmael_X

MTimT said:

Ishmael_X said:

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Can be funny (Jerry Springer: The Opera), isn't here.

Did subsequently watch a couple more of their videos. I'll grant that, while not my style, some are funny. I liked Down With The Kids for its self-deprecating humour.

I meant the rude words/posh voices trick can be funny - Jerry Springer: The Opera is nothing to do with Fascinating Aida as far as I know.

Theuniondivvie

Alistair said:

Polling!

https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

Lol.

'You voting for the Don, honey?'

https://youtu.be/F-bsf2x-aeE

nunu

Ground game asymmetry. In FL last month: -Rep party submitted 117 voter reg applications -Dem party submitted 6,920

MTimT

Ishmael_X said:

MTimT said:

Ishmael_X said:

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Can be funny (Jerry Springer: The Opera), isn't here.

Did subsequently watch a couple more of their videos. I'll grant that, while not my style, some are funny. I liked Down With The Kids for its self-deprecating humour.

I meant the rude words/posh voices trick can be funny - Jerry Springer: The Opera is nothing to do with Fascinating Aida as far as I know.

Ah, yes! I guess why I did not find it so funny here is that the set up was so long and telegraphed more than Dominique Wilkins winding up for a windmill slam dunk.

[ok gratuitously arcane refererence so to help out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56C_UKL87gc]

Speedy

Theuniondivvie said:

Alistair said:

Polling!

https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

Lol.

'You voting for the Don, honey?'

https://youtu.be/F-bsf2x-aeE

12% of women lying to their husband, 8% of men lying to their wife.

Those are low figures.

Jonathan

A Brexit exit might prove popular.

RobD

Speedy said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alistair said:

Polling!

twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

Lol.

'You voting for the Don, honey?'

youtu.be/F-bsf2x-aeE

12% of women lying to their husband, 8% of men lying to their wife.

Those are low figures.

Didn't we have a brain teaser on this a few months ago on here?

FrancisUrquhart

Speedy said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alistair said:

Polling!

https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

Lol.

'You voting for the Don, honey?'

https://youtu.be/F-bsf2x-aeE

12% of women lying to their husband, 8% of men lying to their wife.

Those are low figures.

If the subsample was Trump and Clinton, it would be 100% lying to their wife...

Speedy

nunu said:

Ground game asymmetry. In FL last month: -Rep party submitted 117 voter reg applications -Dem party submitted 6,920

For a whole month those are disappointing figures for both parties.

That's 231 votes a day for the democrats, and 4 per day for republicans in a state that 8.5 million voted last time.

The difference between democrats and republicans is 0.08% of 2012 voters for a whole month.

nunu

Speedy said:

nunu said:

Ground game asymmetry. In FL last month: -Rep party submitted 117 voter reg applications -Dem party submitted 6,920

For a whole month those are disappointing figures for both parties.

That's 231 votes a day for the democrats, and 4 per day for republicans in a state that 8.5 million voted last time.

The difference between democrats and republicans is 0.08% of 2012 voters for a whole month.

Yeah thought it was a bit too low- those figures don't make sense to me.

Theuniondivvie

In the crude but effective vein of humour.

https://twitter.com/peasmoldia/status/784327187855925248

Alistair

nunu said:

Speedy said:

nunu said:

Ground game asymmetry. In FL last month: -Rep party submitted 117 voter reg applications -Dem party submitted 6,920

For a whole month those are disappointing figures for both parties.

That's 231 votes a day for the democrats, and 4 per day for republicans in a state that 8.5 million voted last time.

The difference between democrats and republicans is 0.08% of 2012 voters for a whole month.

Yeah thought it was a bit too low- those figures don't make sense to me.

That's just the Dem and Rep parties returns. Far higher figure when you factor in other 3rd party voter registration organisations. If you follow the tweet I posted in the previous thread you'll get all the figures.

Sean_F

RoyalBlue said:

Part of the joy of Brexit is the sheer schadenfreude one can feel for the smug, achingly right-on, Radio 4 'comedian'/Edinburgh fringe complex.

Poor little snowflakes.

It's a temptation certainly. But, I've suffered enough share of political defeats to resist it. Defeat will come our way again, one day.

DavidL

Really?

YellowSubmarine

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

DavidL

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Mortimer

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

Chilling? What rot. To oppose the will of the people - given Vote Leave campaigned for leaving the Single Marlet, that is not exactly the sign of a metropolitan elite that has learned their lesson, is it?

RoyalBlue

Sean_F said:

RoyalBlue said:

Part of the joy of Brexit is the sheer schadenfreude one can feel for the smug, achingly right-on, Radio 4 'comedian'/Edinburgh fringe complex.

Poor little snowflakes.

It's a temptation certainly. But, I've suffered enough share of political defeats to resist it. Defeat will come our way again, one day.

Don't worry. I will save the champagne bath for when our exit takes effect.

foxinsoxuk

Theuniondivvie said:

In the crude but effective vein of humour.

https://twitter.com/peasmoldia/status/784327187855925248

Nigel is just demonstrating that while he has much in common with Trump, he is travelling on the other bus.

williamglenn

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

I hope Paul from Bedfordshire realises that he is in this category...

Mortimer

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

JackW

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williamglenn

Ishmael_X said:

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Can be funny (Jerry Springer: The Opera), isn't here.

Some of Jerry Springer: The Opera was quite poignant.

Casino_Royale

Is that Alastair Meeks in drag?

MattW

TGOHF said:

The medium is interesting - an art form which only finds favour with rich metropolitan luvvies but is despised and generally ignored by the wider nation - seems rather apt.

I think they first appeared as sweet young things on R4 in the 1980s.

RobD

JackW said:

538 Latest Projections - Clinton/Trump :

Polls Plus - 79.8 - 20.2
Polls Only - 83.6 - 16.4
Now Cast - 87.7 - 12.3

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now

So you're telling me there is a chance?

YellowSubmarine

Caught up with yesterday's Mail on Sunday ( who backed Remain ) lots of pro Hammond/ anti three Brexiteers briefing. Sections of the finance section where very bearish on what the devaluation means for 2017. It usually takes a government several years to get to this level of intra party war. We're less than a 100 days in. Though arguably it's borne out of strength given the state Labour is in.

foxinsoxuk

williamglenn said:

Ishmael_X said:

MTimT said:

Not heard of Fascinating Aida before - not big in Maryland. I do find the format tedious. Interminable bad music to set up two punchlines based on 'rude' words sung in a posh voice.

Can be funny (Jerry Springer: The Opera), isn't here.

Some of Jerry Springer: The Opera was quite poignant.

I really enjoyed it, underneath the gross obscenity and profanity was really quite a thought provoking play.

DavidL

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Casino_Royale

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

Having been called uncivilised, a xenophobe, and evil for having voted for Brexit - and that's just on this site - I'd recommend learning to let it wash over you.

And your hyperbole would beat Kavanagh into a cocked hat any day of the week.

TheScreamingEagles

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Nope, David Davis sucked again.

From Laura K's twitter feed

David Davis- "We will seek the most open, barrier-free market we can. Full stop. That will be as good as a single market."..

Seems to be further than any minister has gone so far in suggesting that govt won't seek to preserve single market membership...

No 10 source says 'the PM's position has not changed'

Sources close to Davis say he is not prejudging anything about membership of single market or the negotiations

YellowSubmarine

Mortimer said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

Chilling? What rot. To oppose the will of the people - given Vote Leave campaigned for leaving the Single Marlet, that is not exactly the sign of a metropolitan elite that has learned their lesson, is it?

Oh I see. Leave were a political party after all ? Does that mean we're getting our Australian style points system then ( for higher per capita immigration ) and our £10bn a year increase in the NHS budget ? Or are you selectively quoting to suit your argument ?

Casino_Royale

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

According to the BBC, he rebuked Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons today for his rudeness in calling Keir Starmer a second rate lawyer, which is extraordinary if true.

Sean_F

foxinsoxuk said:

Theuniondivvie said:

In the crude but effective vein of humour.

https://twitter.com/peasmoldia/status/784327187855925248

Nigel is just demonstrating that while he has much in common with Trump, he is travelling on the other bus.

Nigel Farage is far more politically adroit than Donald Trump is.

Sean_F

Casino_Royale said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

Having been called uncivilised, a xenophobe, and evil for having voted for Brexit - and that's just on this site - I'd recommend learning to let it wash over you.

And your hyperbole would beat Kavanagh into a cocked hat any day of the week.

The Enemy Within also has the merit of being the theme of one of the greatest political speeches ever delivered.

tlg86

Casino_Royale said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

According to the BBC, he rebuked Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons today for his rudeness in calling Keir Starmer a second rate lawyer, which is extraordinary if true.

Barnesian

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Yep. He said involvement of Parliament was micro-management. Everybody laughed.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

Casino_Royale said:

Is that Alastair Meeks in drag?

Bring back the like button

YellowSubmarine

This is a much better version of story I posted yesterday on post Brexit Homophobic attacks. The article makes clear the figures are based on GALOP's own figures. So a single source of limited data. However it adds to the picture. It seemed to violate a small number of Leaver's safe space yesterday so I'm posting the improved version.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Theuniondivvie

What's Norwegian for back of the queue?

https://twitter.com/MrFurby/status/785512787690872835

Mortimer

YellowSubmarine said:

Mortimer said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

Chilling? What rot. To oppose the will of the people - given Vote Leave campaigned for leaving the Single Marlet, that is not exactly the sign of a metropolitan elite that has learned their lesson, is it?

Oh I see. Leave were a political party after all ? Does that mean we're getting our Australian style points system then ( for higher per capita immigration ) and our £10bn a year increase in the NHS budget ? Or are you selectively quoting to suit your argument ?

I'm saying it should be no surprise that Brexit actually means Brexit.

YellowSubmarine

Casino_Royale said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

Having been called uncivilised, a xenophobe, and evil for having voted for Brexit - and that's just on this site - I'd recommend learning to let it wash over you.

And your hyperbole would beat Kavanagh into a cocked hat any day of the week.

It does wash over me. Just as I'm sure it all washes over you. But by definition ( posting here ) we're utterly unrepresentitive political obsessives who can look after ourselves. All social reality is artificially vonstructed. Words and narratives are magic. Not everyone is equipped to defend themselves.

Alanbrooke

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Nope, David Davis sucked again.

From Laura K's twitter feed

David Davis- "We will seek the most open, barrier-free market we can. Full stop. That will be as good as a single market."..

Seems to be further than any minister has gone so far in suggesting that govt won't seek to preserve single market membership...

No 10 source says 'the PM's position has not changed'

Sources close to Davis say he is not prejudging anything about membership of single market or the negotiations

oh how i laughed as EIC bleated on C4 about Parliament needing to be consulted.

The party that consulted no-one suddenly sees the need for democracy. I hope Davis jams the whole EU treaty up Eds arse and ignores the subsequent howls of pain. 4 chem.

The more fun statistic was 73% of E&W MPs were remainers but 73% of constituencies voted leave. Fun ahead.

Paul_Bedfordshire

Wasnt even very funny. Richard Stillgoe would have done a much better job

TCPoliticalBetting

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1943671/trevor-kavanagh-theresa-may-should-ignore-brexit-warnings-from-philip-hammond-and-mark-carney/

"With one exception — the plunge in the value of Sterling after Mr Hammond’s scary warnings about “turbulence”, “volatility” and “rollercoaster rides”.
He is absolutely right, as Chancellor, to make us aware of the difficulties we face as we unpick our ties with Brussels. It will not be plain sailing. But there is a big difference between cooling expectations and setting the markets ablaze.
It is the Chancellor’s job to make the most of negotiations and get the best possible deal out of the European Union."
"‘Flash crash’ . . . Bank of England Governor Mark Carney keeps carrying on Project Fear statements "

Sean_F

YellowSubmarine said:

This is a much better version of story I posted yesterday on post Brexit Homophobic attacks. The article makes clear the figures are based on GALOP's own figures. So a single source of limited data. However it adds to the picture. It seemed to violate a small number of Leaver's safe space yesterday so I'm posting the improved version.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

It doesn't give a break down between attacks on the one hand, and nasty comments on social media, on the other.

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Seems to be further than any minister has gone so far in suggesting that govt won't seek to preserve single market membership...

Seems a poorly kept secret, that.

DavidL

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Nope, David Davis sucked again.

From Laura K's twitter feed

David Davis- "We will seek the most open, barrier-free market we can. Full stop. That will be as good as a single market."..

Seems to be further than any minister has gone so far in suggesting that govt won't seek to preserve single market membership...

No 10 source says 'the PM's position has not changed'

Sources close to Davis say he is not prejudging anything about membership of single market or the negotiations

Membership of the single market must surely be off the table; it comes with too many unacceptable conditions attached. Tariff free trade is a much more realistic objective. Indeed it seems inevitable, the only question is for what industries and how wide that agreement goes. I think I am agreeing with Davis. I am going for a lie down.

JackW

RobD said:

JackW said:

538 Latest Projections - Clinton/Trump :

Polls Plus - 79.8 - 20.2
Polls Only - 83.6 - 16.4
Now Cast - 87.7 - 12.3

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now

So you're telling me there is a chance?

I think you're groping in the dark ... as some are want to do ....

Ishmael_X

YellowSubmarine said:

This is a much better version of story I posted yesterday on post Brexit Homophobic attacks. The article makes clear the figures are based on GALOP's own figures. So a single source of limited data. However it adds to the picture. It seemed to violate a small number of Leaver's safe space yesterday so I'm posting the improved version.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

"The number of homophobic attacks more than doubled in the three months after the Brexit vote, with toxicity fostered by the EU referendum debate spreading beyond race and religion, new figures suggest."

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy, not an argument.

Pong

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TCPoliticalBetting

Casino_Royale said:

Is that Alastair Meeks in drag?

They do look like drag queens.

DavidL

Barnesian said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Yep. He said involvement of Parliament was micro-management. Everybody laughed.

Anna Soubry this morning seemed to be saying that she didn't want anything as unseemly as a vote but she wanted a chance to talk about it. It was a frankly weird interview.

TCPoliticalBetting

Who posted this drag queen video on PB? OGH? TSE? RCS?

Alanbrooke

DavidL said:

Barnesian said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Yep. He said involvement of Parliament was micro-management. Everybody laughed.

Anna Soubry this morning seemed to be saying that she didn't want anything as unseemly as a vote but she wanted a chance to talk about it. It was a frankly weird interview.

Anna Soubry is frankly weird

Paul_Bedfordshire

williamglenn said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

I hope Paul from Bedfordshire realises that he is in this category...

All part of the murdoch department of pscho-ops against Brussels negotiators dear fellow. Unless they really believe we would walk out on them and go WTO then they wont see sense.

Unions have done it for a century - other than those who used their members as political cannon fodder like Scargill.

Pound falling, Tory support rising and remainers squealing like stuck pigs is just the message we want them to see.

Paul_Bedfordshire

YellowSubmarine said:

Caught up with yesterday's Mail on Sunday ( who backed Remain ) lots of pro Hammond/ anti three Brexiteers briefing. Sections of the finance section where very bearish on what the devaluation means for 2017. It usually takes a government several years to get to this level of intra party war. We're less than a 100 days in. Though arguably it's borne out of strength given the state Labour is in.

Osborne and his gophers are more than outnumbered by the Democratic Unionists.

Big_G_NorthWales

Casino_Royale said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

According to the BBC, he rebuked Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons today for his rudeness in calling Keir Starmer a second rate lawyer, which is extraordinary if true.

Yes he did and Starmer seemed very pleased

DavidL

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Barnesian said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Yep. He said involvement of Parliament was micro-management. Everybody laughed.

Anna Soubry this morning seemed to be saying that she didn't want anything as unseemly as a vote but she wanted a chance to talk about it. It was a frankly weird interview.

Anna Soubry is frankly weird

Apparently so. I hadn't picked up on the extent until today. I apologise for being slow on the uptake.

nielh

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Alanbrooke

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

williamglenn said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

I hope Paul from Bedfordshire realises that he is in this category...

All part of the murdoch department of pscho-ops against Brussels negotiators dear fellow. Unless they really believe we would walk out on them and go WTO then they wont see sense.

Unions have done it for a century - other than those who used their members as political cannon fodder like Scargill.

Pound falling, Tory support rising and remainers squealing like stuck pigs is just the message we want them to see.

yup, if all the bad news is factored in, theres nothing to lose.

RobD

nielh said:

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Welcome, what a glorious first post

Alanbrooke

DavidL said:

Alanbrooke said:

DavidL said:

Barnesian said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Yep. He said involvement of Parliament was micro-management. Everybody laughed.

Anna Soubry this morning seemed to be saying that she didn't want anything as unseemly as a vote but she wanted a chance to talk about it. It was a frankly weird interview.

Anna Soubry is frankly weird

Apparently so. I hadn't picked up on the extent until today. I apologise for being slow on the uptake.

I listened to the same interview, her argument seemed to be did we know how important she is.

Ishmael_X

nielh said:

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Sean_F

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Nope, David Davis sucked again.

From Laura K's twitter feed

David Davis- "We will seek the most open, barrier-free market we can. Full stop. That will be as good as a single market."..

Seems to be further than any minister has gone so far in suggesting that govt won't seek to preserve single market membership...

No 10 source says 'the PM's position has not changed'

Sources close to Davis say he is not prejudging anything about membership of single market or the negotiations

oh how i laughed as EIC bleated on C4 about Parliament needing to be consulted.

The party that consulted no-one suddenly sees the need for democracy. I hope Davis jams the whole EU treaty up Eds arse and ignores the subsequent howls of pain. 4 chem.

The more fun statistic was 73% of E&W MPs were remainers but 73% of constituencies voted leave. Fun ahead.

There are remainers and remainers. There are eurosceptic remainers who appear to be pretty happy with Brexit. Theresa May is obviously one.

Then there are those who, to varying degrees, are upset by it.

The eurosceptic/europhile split is about 70/30 in this country, and that's where I think we'd be if there were a second referendum.

JackW

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Who posted this drag queen video on PB? OGH? TSE? RCS?

Peter the Punter ....

He has form and a big line in pink feather boas ....

Paul_Bedfordshire

Ishmael_X said:

YellowSubmarine said:

This is a much better version of story I posted yesterday on post Brexit Homophobic attacks. The article makes clear the figures are based on GALOP's own figures. So a single source of limited data. However it adds to the picture. It seemed to violate a small number of Leaver's safe space yesterday so I'm posting the improved version.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

"The number of homophobic attacks more than doubled in the three months after the Brexit vote, with toxicity fostered by the EU referendum debate spreading beyond race and religion, new figures suggest."

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy, not an argument.

I think correlation is not causation is the phrase?

MaxPB

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

No, he was as poor as always, the government had to clarify his statements afterwards. Hopefully TMay gets rid, Dominic Raab needs a promotion.

Alanbrooke

Sean_F said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

Nope, David Davis sucked again.

From Laura K's twitter feed

David Davis- "We will seek the most open, barrier-free market we can. Full stop. That will be as good as a single market."..

Seems to be further than any minister has gone so far in suggesting that govt won't seek to preserve single market membership...

No 10 source says 'the PM's position has not changed'

Sources close to Davis say he is not prejudging anything about membership of single market or the negotiations

oh how i laughed as EIC bleated on C4 about Parliament needing to be consulted.

The party that consulted no-one suddenly sees the need for democracy. I hope Davis jams the whole EU treaty up Eds arse and ignores the subsequent howls of pain. 4 chem.

The more fun statistic was 73% of E&W MPs were remainers but 73% of constituencies voted leave. Fun ahead.

There are remainers and remainers. There are eurosceptic remainers who appear to be pretty happy with Brexit. Theresa May is obviously one.

Then there are those who, to varying degrees, are upset by it.

The eurosceptic/europhile split is about 70/30 in this country, and that's where I think we'd be if there were a second referendum.

I agree Sean. The problem for Remain now is in EUref2 theyve lost the scare factor and the national sentiment is slipping away from them

AlastairMeeks

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Casino_Royale said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

According to the BBC, he rebuked Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons today for his rudeness in calling Keir Starmer a second rate lawyer, which is extraordinary if true.

Yes he did and Starmer seemed very pleased

Talent recognises genius while mediocrity recognises only itself.

Alanbrooke

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Casino_Royale said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

According to the BBC, he rebuked Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons today for his rudeness in calling Keir Starmer a second rate lawyer, which is extraordinary if true.

Yes he did and Starmer seemed very pleased

Talent recognises genius while mediocrity recognises only itself.

don't you describe yourself as a narcissist ?

Ishmael_X

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

Ishmael_X said:

YellowSubmarine said:

This is a much better version of story I posted yesterday on post Brexit Homophobic attacks. The article makes clear the figures are based on GALOP's own figures. So a single source of limited data. However it adds to the picture. It seemed to violate a small number of Leaver's safe space yesterday so I'm posting the improved version.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/08/homophobic-attacks-double-after-brexit-vote?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

"The number of homophobic attacks more than doubled in the three months after the Brexit vote, with toxicity fostered by the EU referendum debate spreading beyond race and religion, new figures suggest."

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy, not an argument.

I think correlation is not causation is the phrase?

Yes, but if you get repeated correlations that usually suggests a causal link is somewhere in the mix (e.g. children's intelligence and shoe size are consistently correlated and indirectly causally related - both being caused by age). A single instance of A then B doesn't even amount to a correlation.

YellowSubmarine

Just catching up on the ICM. New Labour '97 to '05 proves governing parties can function as their own opposition AND win landslide victories if the official opposition books its self into digitas. This situation is even worse for the left. At least in '05 there was a viable centre left alternative under Chaz Kennedy. Today UKIP are still polling in third place. It's difficult to believe so much of the goes back to ' Charity ' nominations of Corbyn by Labour MP's and before that political fratricide by the younger Miliband. I used to argue individual personalities didn't matter much in History. Now I'm for Chaos Theory.

FrancisUrquhart

Tiger Woods has withdrawn from this week's Safeway Open, saying his game is "vulnerable".

Chris

JackW said:

538 Latest Projections - Clinton/Trump :

Polls Plus - 79.8 - 20.2
Polls Only - 83.6 - 16.4
Now Cast - 87.7 - 12.3

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now

I see Donald Trump's snake is getting quite short now.

I suppose they do say "Short fingers, short snake", don't they?

foxinsoxuk

Alanbrooke said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

williamglenn said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

I hope Paul from Bedfordshire realises that he is in this category...

All part of the murdoch department of pscho-ops against Brussels negotiators dear fellow. Unless they really believe we would walk out on them and go WTO then they wont see sense.

Unions have done it for a century - other than those who used their members as political cannon fodder like Scargill.

Pound falling, Tory support rising and remainers squealing like stuck pigs is just the message we want them to see.

yup, if all the bad news is factored in, theres nothing to lose.

As Lenin said

"The worse, the better"

Alas, when the Russian people thought it could get no worse, it did.

Big_G_NorthWales

Alanbrooke said:

Paul_Bedfordshire said:

williamglenn said:

YellowSubmarine said:

I see today's Sun uses the phrase " the Enemy within " in the headline over Trevor Kavanagh's oped on Brexit ( who to his credit doesn't use it in his article. As Kavanagh was targeting those fighting for Soft Brexit/Single Market membership the sub editing is especially chilling.

I hope Paul from Bedfordshire realises that he is in this category...

All part of the murdoch department of pscho-ops against Brussels negotiators dear fellow. Unless they really believe we would walk out on them and go WTO then they wont see sense.

Unions have done it for a century - other than those who used their members as political cannon fodder like Scargill.

Pound falling, Tory support rising and remainers squealing like stuck pigs is just the message we want them to see.

yup, if all the bad news is factored in, theres nothing to lose.

Listened to Ed Miliband this morning playing lip service to respecting the referendum but then demanding free access to the single market. It was so amazing that he said that his constituents had voted 69% leave and the vote must be respected when he is trying to gerrymander a result that ignores sovereignty and control over immigration.

If these remoaners carry on as they are the people will turn against them in big numbers as the people expect the country to 'take back control' and nothing less, which you cannot do while in the single market.

Wonder how long it will be before the conservatives move into the 45 - 50% range

MaxPB

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Casino_Royale said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

According to the BBC, he rebuked Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons today for his rudeness in calling Keir Starmer a second rate lawyer, which is extraordinary if true.

Yes he did and Starmer seemed very pleased

Talent recognises genius while mediocrity recognises only itself.

Did you just describe David Davis as "talent". I feel like talented people everywhere should be offended.

DavidL

MaxPB said:

DavidL said:

Mortimer said:

DavidL said:

If remainers really want a moan surely David Davis said something really stupid today. I mean, he was talking so he must have done.

Not his biggest fan, but he was on form today.

Really? Does that mean he got through a statement without saying anything that will not need " clarified" or said to be his own personal opinion by tomorrow? Remarkable.

No, he was as poor as always, the government had to clarify his statements afterwards. Hopefully TMay gets rid, Dominic Raab needs a promotion.

The problem with that is that the one she really needs to get rid of is Liam Fox who is positively dangerous. Losing 2 Brexiteers would look careless and might well result in David Davis hanging on for longer than his talent merits.